Are round earthers simply examples of the Dunning Kruger effect, or just wrong?

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Cartog

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Rather than Dunning-Kruger, the main incentive for FE is the feeling that they have secret insight into an important fact of which the rest of humanity is ignorant.  Pretty much the same as the JFK assassination junkies or the Sept 11th theorists -- they 'know' something that other people, even educated and highly placed people, don't.  And sometimes the FE fixation is abetted by other suspicions - for example, there's a book in print that tries to argue for FE by claiming that Round Earth propaganda is an evil Jewish conspiracy.

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sceptimatic

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Rather than Dunning-Kruger, the main incentive for FE is the feeling that they have secret insight into an important fact of which the rest of humanity is ignorant.  Pretty much the same as the JFK assassination junkies or the Sept 11th theorists -- they 'know' something that other people, even educated and highly placed people, don't.  And sometimes the FE fixation is abetted by other suspicions - for example, there's a book in print that tries to argue for FE by claiming that Round Earth propaganda is an evil Jewish conspiracy.
Any person that does not see issues with anything we are told, are the naive one's.

If people can seriously believe that people in power will not lie for gain then the issue is with them.

Anyone who argues that the odd things may be suspect but everything else is above board, needs to have a serious word with themselves, especially when they argue against people who question a lot of it.


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rvlvr

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there's a book in print that tries to argue for FE by claiming that Round Earth propaganda is an evil Jewish conspiracy.

Which book is this? It sounds interesting.

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JackBlack

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Rather than Dunning-Kruger, the main incentive for FE is the feeling that they have secret insight into an important fact of which the rest of humanity is ignorant.  Pretty much the same as the JFK assassination junkies or the Sept 11th theorists -- they 'know' something that other people, even educated and highly placed people, don't.  And sometimes the FE fixation is abetted by other suspicions - for example, there's a book in print that tries to argue for FE by claiming that Round Earth propaganda is an evil Jewish conspiracy.
Any person that does not see issues with anything we are told, are the naive one's.

If people can seriously believe that people in power will not lie for gain then the issue is with them.

Anyone who argues that the odd things may be suspect but everything else is above board, needs to have a serious word with themselves, especially when they argue against people who question a lot of it.
The problem is you see issues with EVERYTHING you are told.
Just because politicians lie about some things doesn't mean they will lie about everything and doesn't mean scientists will then lie about everything.

What you need to explain to us before carrying on down this pathway is just how people gain from claiming Earth is round if it was actually flat?
There is nothing to be gained.

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Themightykabool

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Rather than Dunning-Kruger, the main incentive for FE is the feeling that they have secret insight into an important fact of which the rest of humanity is ignorant.  Pretty much the same as the JFK assassination junkies or the Sept 11th theorists -- they 'know' something that other people, even educated and highly placed people, don't.  And sometimes the FE fixation is abetted by other suspicions - for example, there's a book in print that tries to argue for FE by claiming that Round Earth propaganda is an evil Jewish conspiracy.
Any person that does not see issues with anything we are told, are the naive one's.

If people can seriously believe that people in power will not lie for gain then the issue is with them.

Anyone who argues that the odd things may be suspect but everything else is above board, needs to have a serious word with themselves, especially when they argue against people who question a lot of it.


Explain how rhe conspitacy is structured.
There are literally millions at the lower levels who nesd to be fed data by the select few uppers.
How is all this coordinated?
How is all this coordinated and controlled so there are no broken narratives or data inconsistencies?

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rvlvr

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Mind control lasers.

« Last Edit: July 09, 2021, 02:14:52 AM by rvlvr »

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Stash

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there's a book in print that tries to argue for FE by claiming that Round Earth propaganda is an evil Jewish conspiracy.

Which book is this? It sounds interesting.

It might be: Edward Hendrie’s book, The Greatest Lie on Earth: Proof That Our World Is Not a Moving Globe, first published in 2016.

Here's an article about the anti-semitism ties he mentions as well as how some (emphasis on 'some') in the modern FE movement espouse similar, mostly just Dubay.

"The Modern Flat-Earth Movement and Anti-Semitism"
https://answersingenesis.org/blogs/danny-faulkner/2019/08/09/modern-flat-earth-movement-anti-semitism/

Of course we also have the likes of the Marjorie Taylor Greenes of the world chalking up wildfires to Jewish space lasers, but she is Qanon, not FE.

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rvlvr

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Cheers, Stash-Man!

I do like Jews with lasers!

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Themightykabool

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Jews with laser cats


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sceptimatic

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Just because politicians lie about some things doesn't mean they will lie about everything and doesn't mean scientists will then lie about everything.
Nobody's saying they lie about everything. But they do tell lies, right?
You admit that.
So tell me how you sift through the truth and lies to be sure?

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markjo

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Just because politicians lie about some things doesn't mean they will lie about everything and doesn't mean scientists will then lie about everything.
Nobody's saying they lie about everything. But they do tell lies, right?
Why should the shape of the earth be one of them?
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

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sceptimatic

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Just because politicians lie about some things doesn't mean they will lie about everything and doesn't mean scientists will then lie about everything.
Nobody's saying they lie about everything. But they do tell lies, right?
Why should the shape of the earth be one of them?
Why shouldn't it?

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Unconvinced

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Just because politicians lie about some things doesn't mean they will lie about everything and doesn't mean scientists will then lie about everything.
Nobody's saying they lie about everything. But they do tell lies, right?
Why should the shape of the earth be one of them?
Why shouldn't it?

Because it would be a very obvious lie.

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markjo

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Just because politicians lie about some things doesn't mean they will lie about everything and doesn't mean scientists will then lie about everything.
Nobody's saying they lie about everything. But they do tell lies, right?
Why should the shape of the earth be one of them?
Why shouldn't it?
Because there is no benefit to such an obvious lie.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

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Mikey T.

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Have we come back to " What is the reason for the conspiracy?"

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Themightykabool

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All roads lead to conspiracy.

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JackBlack

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Nobody's saying they lie about everything. But they do tell lies, right?
You admit that.
So tell me how you sift through the truth and lies to be sure?
You seem to be acting like they lie about everything.

I would judge it based upon several factors:
Does the claim make sense?
Does it match with observations/evidence, especially my own observations?
Do they have a reason to lie about it?

With some, it is quite clear that they are likely lying, to try to line their own pockets, and it doesn't make sense.
And scientists are more likely to make mistakes than outright lie.

For the shape of Earth, it does make sense, no matter how much you want to claim it doesn't. The only reason you claim it doesn't is because you have already rejected the RE and want to pretend that rejection is justified. You cannot demonstrate any part which doesn't actually make sense. And by that I also mean having the alternative make more sense.

It also matches with loads and loads of observations. Again, you cannot provide a single example of where it doesn't match. You can blatantly lie and pretend it doesn't match, but you then flee from that lie rather than even attempting to justify it, fleeing from trivial questions which show your claims are wrong.

And most importantly, there is no reason to lie about it. There is nothing to be gained by pretending Earth is round if it was actually flat.

So with all that, there is no reason to think the RE is a lie.

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sceptimatic

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Just because politicians lie about some things doesn't mean they will lie about everything and doesn't mean scientists will then lie about everything.
Nobody's saying they lie about everything. But they do tell lies, right?
Why should the shape of the earth be one of them?
Why shouldn't it?

Because it would be a very obvious lie.
It is.

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JackBlack

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It is.
It is only "obvious" to those who already believe it is a lie.
To everyone else, it isn't obvious at all.
In fact, some might say that it isn't a lie, and only people who want it to be a lie claim it is.

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Timeisup

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  • You still think that. You cannot be serious ?
Rather than Dunning-Kruger, the main incentive for FE is the feeling that they have secret insight into an important fact of which the rest of humanity is ignorant.  Pretty much the same as the JFK assassination junkies or the Sept 11th theorists -- they 'know' something that other people, even educated and highly placed people, don't.  And sometimes the FE fixation is abetted by other suspicions - for example, there's a book in print that tries to argue for FE by claiming that Round Earth propaganda is an evil Jewish conspiracy.
Any person that does not see issues with anything we are told, are the naive one's.

If people can seriously believe that people in power will not lie for gain then the issue is with them.

Anyone who argues that the odd things may be suspect but everything else is above board, needs to have a serious word with themselves, especially when they argue against people who question a lot of it.
The problem is you see issues with EVERYTHING you are told.
Just because politicians lie about some things doesn't mean they will lie about everything and doesn't mean scientists will then lie about everything.

What you need to explain to us before carrying on down this pathway is just how people gain from claiming Earth is round if it was actually flat?
There is nothing to be gained.

How do you personally separate the wheat from the chaff as regards the accuracy or truthfulness of information!
"I can accept that some aspects of FE belief are true, while others are fiction."

Jack Black

Now that is a laugh!

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Themightykabool

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Just because politicians lie about some things doesn't mean they will lie about everything and doesn't mean scientists will then lie about everything.
Nobody's saying they lie about everything. But they do tell lies, right?
Why should the shape of the earth be one of them?
Why shouldn't it?

Because it would be a very obvious lie.
It is.

So the lie is true.
Then thebliars are real.
How do they perpetuate this lie?

Presumably all the lower levels are duped into beilieving.
So rhere must be upper levels.
The puppet masters.
Whst would it take for them to control and feed the information to theblowers?
Because at some point, the lowers will self seek.
And they need to self discover informstion.
That info nesds to be fed by uppers to contiune the narative.

How does it work?
You must have some ideas.