Globe's Solar Table is Wrong: Greenwitch Case

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Danang

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Globe's Solar Table is Wrong: Greenwitch Case
« on: May 02, 2021, 06:22:49 PM »
Greenwitch on longitude 0° ... Last equinox on March 20th, 2021, its solar noon occures at 12:07 PM (???)

Please tell me, what's wrong with your solar table?
And why do you keep saying "globe model works fine" ?

https://timeanddate.com/sun/uk/greenwich-city?month=3&year=2021

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Re: Globe's Solar Table is Wrong: Greenwitch Case
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2021, 09:22:33 PM »
Greenwitch on longitude 0° ... Last equinox on March 20th, 2021, its solar noon occures at 12:07 PM (???)

Please tell me, what's wrong with your solar table?
And why do you keep saying "globe model works fine" ?

https://timeanddate.com/sun/uk/greenwich-city?month=3&year=2021


Because it does.  Your lack of understanding and intentional misrepresentations are not evidence of FE.

Re: Globe's Solar Table is Wrong: Greenwitch Case
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2021, 02:56:29 AM »
Greenwitch on longitude 0° ... Last equinox on March 20th, 2021, its solar noon occures at 12:07 PM (???)

Please tell me, what's wrong with your solar table?
We have been over this countless times.
Time zones are not perfectly aligned. And solar noon drifts over the year, just like you would expect for the RE orbiting the sun.

If you want to compare the globe, you would do something like this:
Greenwich which is 1 arc minute west has solar noon at 12:07 GMT on March 20th
On March 21st, the next day, it is also 12:07.
This means for every 15 degrees of latitude you would expect it to shift by 1 hour. Or every degree should shift it by roughly 4 minutes.
NY is 74 degrees W. That is equivalent to almost 5 hours. 75 degrees would be 5 hours.
That means it should be 4 minutes short of 5 hours later.
And if we look we see that it was 1:03 pm, GMT-4. That means it is 5:03 pm GMT.
That is 4 minutes short of 5 hours later.

So it seems the globe works fine.

Another important thing to look at is sunrise and sunset time, where we see roughly 12 hours of daylight on the equinox, regardless of location, until you get quite close to the poles.
This is explained trivially with the RE. Care to explain it on your Fantasy Earth?

Re: Globe's Solar Table is Wrong: Greenwitch Case
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2021, 10:11:49 AM »
Greenwitch on longitude 0° ... Last equinox on March 20th, 2021, its solar noon occures at 12:07 PM (???)

Congratulations! You have discovered the Equation of Time. Mean solar noon (average of the time the sun crosses the meridian over a year) and apparent solar noon (the actual time the sun crosses the meridian on a given day) drift with respect to each other by up to almost twenty minutes through the year due to the tilt of earth's equator with respect to the plane of earth's orbit and, to a lesser degree, because the earth's orbit is elliptical, not perfectly circular.

If you don't like Wikipedia, google that term. There are tons of other references.

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Please tell me, what's wrong with your solar table?

Nothing. Thanks for asking.

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And why do you keep saying "globe model works fine" ?

Because it does.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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Re: Globe's Solar Table is Wrong: Greenwitch Case
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2021, 08:20:25 AM »
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What's at that link? Why should anyone visit it?
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Mikey T.

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Re: Globe's Solar Table is Wrong: Greenwitch Case
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2021, 11:07:03 AM »
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What's at that link? Why should anyone visit it?
Just some BS video he posted to Twitter, I didn't watch it though, I don't have time right now for fantasy world.  Maybe later.

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Re: Globe's Solar Table is Wrong: Greenwitch Case
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2021, 05:31:18 AM »
You cannot copypaste the words to google translate.  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Globe's Solar Table is Wrong: Greenwitch Case
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2021, 05:33:12 AM »
Keep calm, and...

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Re: Globe's Solar Table is Wrong: Greenwitch Case
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2021, 11:02:45 AM »
So we are just full on shit posting now huh

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Re: Globe's Solar Table is Wrong: Greenwitch Case
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2021, 03:39:27 PM »
Congratulations! You have discovered the Equation of Time. Mean solar noon (average of the time the sun crosses the meridian over a year) and apparent solar noon (the actual time the sun crosses the meridian on a given day) drift with respect to each other by up to almost twenty minutes through the year due to the tilt of earth's equator with respect to the plane of earth's orbit and, to a lesser degree, because the earth's orbit is elliptical, not perfectly circular.

Which equation is it? I frequently had difficulty of language while I was doing other things. (Focus problem).
I only forgot that the duration of a day  is not really exact 24 hours.

But I might (not sure) have discovered the killer proof of PHEW FE in the subject of SUN'S CHANGING SPEED.

For the sun, the more distant of radius from the celestial south pole, the faster the sun will go.

There is duration difference between sunrise to solar noon vs solar noon to sunset -- dependeng on the occurrence times. Such data has PHEW FE pattern, not globe's, not even conventional FE's which has reverse model.

For details, I have posted a blog:

https://gwebanget.home.blog/2021/05/13/killer-proof-of-south-polar-centered-flat-earth/

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Since the center of the sun’s revolution is at celestial South Pole, from winter solstice to summer solstice the sun’s speed increases, while from summer solstice to winter solstice the sun’s speed decreases.

Let’s check out the trend before and after both solstices in Pontianak, Indonesia which is situated on equator. i.e.

November, 2020

January, 2021

May, 2021

July, 2021

all apply on the day 22nd

On January and May, the sun’s speed increases, which means the duration between sunrise and solar noon is longer than the duration between solar noon and sunset

On July and November, the sun’s speed decreases, which means the duration between sunrise and solar noon is shorter than the duration between solar noon and sunset

Note:

• Since the ‘second’ marks don’t appear, the duration on July is not read as it is. Still, the sun on July undergoes decreasing of speed.

• The 3 typings from upper to under: time of solar noon, the duration from sunrise to solar noon , the duration from solar noon to sunset




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Re: Globe's Solar Table is Wrong: Greenwitch Case
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2021, 04:09:20 PM »
Which equation is it? I frequently had difficulty of language while I was doing other things. (Focus problem).
The equation of time.
As Earth is not stationary, the duration of a day is not simply based upon its rotation. Instead after it completes one full rotation, it has moved along in its orbit, and thus the same point is not facing the sun. Instead it needs to rotate just a little bit more.
As Earth's orbit is not a perfect circle, this causes the time required to change.
And as Earth is rotating at an angle to the orbit, it will also vary through the year due to this axial tilt as the sun's apparent speed about an axis parallel to Earth's will vary due to the tilt.

This also means it isn't a simple yearly cycle, but has an additional, offset term.
And in fact, that offset due to the axial tilt is more significant than the term due to the elliptical orbit, such that at either solstice, the length of the day (i.e. the time between 2 solar noons, not the daylight hours of a day) is long, and at each equinox the length of the day is short.
However it is still an additive effect, with the solstice near perihelion have the longest day, and the equinox near aphelion having the shortest.

So no, it doesn't support you delusional nonsense.
Especially as you have no justification for why the sun's speed should depend on its distance to the south pole, especially with it going faster the further out it is.
If you said it was going slower, and significantly slower the further out it is, that would make sense. But going faster doesn't (unless you were referring to linear speed rather than angular speed).

On January and May, the sun’s speed increases, which means the duration between sunrise and solar noon is longer than the duration between solar noon and sunset
No, that is pure nonsense.
If the sun is faster, that means the duration between 2 consecutive solar noons will decrease. Forget about the time between sunrise and noon and sunset, and just focus on the period between 2 consecutive solar noons.
You also need to look at the entire year, not just the solstice.

If we look at November, we see that the time of solar noon drifts, going from 11:26 at the start to 11:31 and the end. This shows the relative speed of the sun is slower than the 24 hour average.
We can see this still in January, where it is even more dramatic, going from 11:46 to 11:56.
This is because it is close to perihelion and the solstice.

In May it is more complex, starting at 11:39, going to 11:38, then back to 11:39 and on to 11:40.
In July it is simpler, starting at 11:46 and going to 11:49.

This all indicate the sun is going slow.

In neither of these cases is the sun apparently going fast.

So where in the year does it?
The equinox.
If we look at March, we see solar noon starts at 11:54, but by the end of march it has gone back to 11:46, indicating the relative speed of the sun is fast.
If we look at September, we see it go from 11:42 to 11:32.

Again, the RE model explains this quite well, and thus the varying time of solar noon throughout the year is quite good evidence for the RE model.

Your FE nonsense can't explain it at all.

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Re: Globe's Solar Table is Wrong: Greenwitch Case
« Reply #12 on: Today at 07:37:50 AM »
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Re: Globe's Solar Table is Wrong: Greenwitch Case
« Reply #13 on: Today at 03:15:29 PM »
I take it that means you accept defeat?

You accept that the variations in the length of a day (defined as the period between 2 consecutive solar noons) matches what is expected for a RE and the FE has no explanation for it at all?