World's most embarrassing transport system.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA how did the city even agree to let this grifter do this? "Durrr instead of making a subway, how about we had a bunch of little cars doing the same thing but much worse, much more expensive and carrying much fewer people per hour and all for a damn 2 mile drive?".

This is even worse than the initial idea because apparently now you don't even enter it with your own personal car, but it's more like an ultra expensive taxi where you pay 20 dollars for a 2 mile ride.

I think the Suez canal is more embarrassing. You pay $500 000:- toll feel including pilot and when you hit the canal bank and block the canal for a week, you are fined $1000 000 000!- http://heiwaco.com/everg.htm

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA how did the city even agree to let this grifter do this? "Durrr instead of making a subway, how about we had a bunch of little cars doing the same thing but much worse, much more expensive and carrying much fewer people per hour and all for a damn 2 mile drive?".

This is even worse than the initial idea because apparently now you don't even enter it with your own personal car, but it's more like an ultra expensive taxi where you pay 20 dollars for a 2 mile ride.

Did you miss the part where this was built in Vegas?

I don't think they were going for "the most efficient, cheapest, boring, dull way of moving people from one end of a 2 mile convention center to the other side" here.  Besides, they already have cheaper options, this is meant to entertain.

What next, complain that the roller coaster you rode cost you twenty bucks and put you right back where you started?!?!! What a rip off. 

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Did you miss the part where this was built in Vegas?

Partially true, except this is being promoted and pushed hard by Musk as a solution to the traffic problems of every city, and apparently other cities are considering it.

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Did you miss the part where this was built in Vegas?

Partially true, except this is being promoted and pushed hard by Musk as a solution to the traffic problems of every city, and apparently other cities are considering it.

"We would love to build an underground transportation system in our city but we can't afford all the flashing lights and showgirls.  I wish there was some way to build this without all the bling bling" - Said by nobody

This is also how we figure things out. Having an actual, working system in place is invaluable for collecting data and seeing if this is indeed feasible, or if it isn't.  Thanks to Las Vegas for footing the bill for a nice experiment.

If you're afraid to try new things, you don't get new things.

A simple look at the concept and anyone with a functioning brain cell would have known this would not solve transport issues.

Sure maybe Elon Musk could build his own private tunnel to get from A to B and if he didn't mind the billions of dollars in expenses, it could get him there quicker provided it has exit points everywhere he wants them

But trying to move millions of people in underground tunnels is ludicrous. All you do is shift congestion to the worst possible place you could have it

Imagine a car break down in there. Or someone needing emergency services etc. The idea was always stupid from a cost/benefit ratio.

Underground tunnels for public transport is great. Limited vehicles moving many people each with entry/exit points along the way. But privately? Crazy

This was never going to solve congestion problems. I already knew that. Why do you think billions need to be spent trying it out to find out?

Flying or hover cars - now that would be something. But seriously the way forward is cheaper and more efficient public transport systems. In Australia or at least my state, the public transport is shit, slow, expensive, few in number and the city is designed for private car use above all.

Elon Musk is a fruit cake.

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Quote from: JJA on April 12, 2021, 05:35:52 AM

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Did you miss the part where this was built in Vegas?

Partially true, except this is being promoted and pushed hard by Musk as a solution to the traffic problems of every city, and apparently other cities are considering it.

"We would love to build an underground transportation system in our city but we can't afford all the flashing lights and showgirls.  I wish there was some way to build this without all the bling bling" - Said by nobody

This is also how we figure things out. Having an actual, working system in place is invaluable for collecting data and seeing if this is indeed feasible, or if it isn't.  Thanks to Las Vegas for footing the bill for a nice experiment.

If you're afraid to try new things, you don't get new things.

Here's an idea.

Instead of whatever that is, we could have a catapult launching people into the air so that they could hopefully land where they want to go.

What's that? You don't think this is a good idea and maybe no one should pay attention to this? Why? Don't you want new things?

Thankfully people know how to plan and assess things before they try them.

Unfortunately this horrible idea is being taken seriously by various cities because it is being promoted by Musk. I'm not even sure he believes it is feasible himself. I think he just wants to divert the conversation away from solving traffic and environmental issues via public transport, because public transport doesn't sell cars.

A simple look at the concept and anyone with a functioning brain cell would have known this would not solve transport issues.

Sure maybe Elon Musk could build his own private tunnel to get from A to B and if he didn't mind the billions of dollars in expenses, it could get him there quicker provided it has exit points everywhere he wants them

But trying to move millions of people in underground tunnels is ludicrous. All you do is shift congestion to the worst possible place you could have it

Imagine a car break down in there. Or someone needing emergency services etc. The idea was always stupid from a cost/benefit ratio.

Underground tunnels for public transport is great. Limited vehicles moving many people each with entry/exit points along the way. But privately? Crazy

This was never going to solve congestion problems. I already knew that. Why do you think billions need to be spent trying it out to find out?

Flying or hover cars - now that would be something. But seriously the way forward is cheaper and more efficient public transport systems. In Australia or at least my state, the public transport is shit, slow, expensive, few in number and the city is designed for private car use above all.

Elon Musk is a fruit cake.

Oh, this is worse because he appears to have abandoned the idea of people taking their own personal cars down there (at least for now) since it would probably become a nightmare, both from a logistical and a safety perspective unless you are willing to invest a ridiculous amount of money. No, now it's like underground Uber. Basically you go down to the station and you call one of the dedicated Teslas down there so you can do a 2 minute trip for $20. So it IS like the underground public transport thing, only instead of a train you have glorified underground taxis which is just dumb.

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Did you miss the part where this was built in Vegas?

Partially true, except this is being promoted and pushed hard by Musk as a solution to the traffic problems of every city, and apparently other cities are considering it.

"We would love to build an underground transportation system in our city but we can't afford all the flashing lights and showgirls.  I wish there was some way to build this without all the bling bling" - Said by nobody

This is also how we figure things out. Having an actual, working system in place is invaluable for collecting data and seeing if this is indeed feasible, or if it isn't.  Thanks to Las Vegas for footing the bill for a nice experiment.

If you're afraid to try new things, you don't get new things.

Here's an idea.

Instead of whatever that is, we could have a catapult launching people into the air so that they could hopefully land where they want to go.

What's that? You don't think this is a good idea and maybe no one should pay attention to this? Why? Don't you want new things?

Thankfully people know how to plan and assess things before they try them.

Unfortunately this horrible idea is being taken seriously by various cities because it is being promoted by Musk. I'm not even sure he believes it is feasible himself. I think he just wants to divert the conversation away from solving traffic and environmental issues via public transport, because public transport doesn't sell cars.

It's a horrible idea because you say so?  I'm sure the people who spent all the time planning, spending money and building this sure feel silly now that some armchair engineer looked at a few pictures and declared the entire idea horrible. They could have saved so much time!

"Thankfully people know how to plan and assess things before they try them."

Like... the people that planned and assessed the Tesla ride before building it. 

And how is what was built not public transport?  Please explain how this system is not public transport, but subways and busses are. What exactly disqualifies it?  I'm rather curious to hear your explanation.

The whole concept of the boring and tunnel network was to reduce congestion for people driving by car (such as himself)

https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-boring-company-public-transit/

Transportation experts and urbanists of a more traditional stripe have been less than impressed. Musk’s first Boring Company concept video focused on the personal car, showing Teslas (of course) blasting down underground tubes onboard electric skates, which Musk has promised will move up to 150 mph. How can any form of transit promoting personal cars—vehicles carrying up to five (squished) people at a time, and more likely carrying just one—reduce congestion? What happens if you don’t own a car at all? Musk’s comments during a conference in December didn’t help matters, when he mocked mass transit.

Maybe you can tell us how moving traffic underground is going to solve congestion. Keep in mind, if there is a problem anywhere in the network, everyone is gridlocked and shit all chance of emergency services getting it out. This isn't just a few mass transit vehicles in a vast underground network here. This whole idea was based on having hundreds of thousands of vehicles moving about. ie, your garage at home can go down into the underground network and you can drive to work or the shops that way instead of above ground. Sounds cool until everyone else is doing it to, and then you must wonder 'what was the fucking point?'

If my car breaks down in the middle of the road or you have a car accident, you can move the car to the side of the road or divert traffic. In an underground system, not likely

I'm not against boring machines and tunnels - but what is being proposed as a 'solution' to a problem, is not a solution at all. The solution to traffic congestion is going to take a many pronged approach to solve

A few ideas

Staggered / flexible work hours
Working from home
More public transport/mass transit vehicles and cheaper

If you make everyones work start at 9am and finish at 5pm you are going to have major congestion at those hours for sure. So many kinds of work do not need those start and finish times and as this pandemic has proved, so many jobs can just as reliably be done from home. So have some people start and finish at 6-2, 7-3, 8-4, 9-5, 10-6, 11-7 etc.

Also why bore underground for another road? You could just make another road above the ground level road.

Undergound tunnels work better for public transport, moving hundreds of people in the 1 vehicle going to the same destination/hubs. Not 1 vehicle to maybe sometimes 1 person, where thousands of users have thousands of destinations they want to go. Stupid

Also why bore underground for another road? You could just make another road above the ground level road.

Sure, it's so easy to build a road through a residential or city.  You seriously don't see how an underground tunnel that can go from any point to any other point is a better solution than demolishing a strip of houses and buildings to get from one side of the city to another?

No, you can't just "make another road above the ground level road". With Elon's boring tech it's going to be cheaper to make a tunnel than some ugly, expensive double decker road.  And building another on top of that one is going to require reinforcing the one below, probably rebuilding.

No... you can't just make another road. 

Undergound tunnels work better for public transport, moving hundreds of people in the 1 vehicle going to the same destination/hubs. Not 1 vehicle to maybe sometimes 1 person, where thousands of users have thousands of destinations they want to go. Stupid

It works better, does it? In every situation? Your detailed studies on this that drew you to this conclusion? Or is it just based on your expert gut opinion that anything Elon does is bad cause he's that space guy and part of the conspiracy?

Individual cars moving through tunnels taking people to their destinations has been an idea for public transport ever since their was public transport. Trains, subway cars, big busses, small busses, and small vehicles that carry 1-4 people all serve different purposes and needs and you pick whichever works best for the situation.

Nobody is talking about ripping out packed subways and replacing them with single person cars. These networks are planned for routes that are too low volume to get a subway stop, but can work well if all you need is a tunnel and autonomous vehicles that can move through it.

What is stupid is limiting your vision to just one problem and forgetting there are lots of problems and solutions out there.

You might as well say ferries are stupid and should be gotten rid of because you can't fit a ferry in a subway tunnel and their isn't any water down there.

The Elon love is strong in this one

You dont need to demolish houses WTF? You would have multi tiered roads on major arterial roads away from residential roads. Some places already have them.



 Do you really think you can have an underground road network with an entry and exit point for every house? LOL That was the inspiration for the hair brained scheme in the first place


Also, some areas are not suitable for underground tunnels and boring tunnels has been linked to the creation of sinkholes in the past

Underground cities are awesome, check out South Korea
https://en.blog.kkday.com/26386/asia-south-korea-seoul-underground-shopping-centers

As a transport system for private cars? Dumb. Remember his plan was for every house to have a garage to use the network so they wouldn't have to drive above ground and he mocked the notion of mass public transport

But keep creaming your pants for Elon

The Elon love is strong in this one

You dont need to demolish houses WTF? You would have multi tiered roads on major arterial roads away from residential roads. Some places already have them.



 Do you really think you can have an underground road network with an entry and exit point for every house? LOL That was the inspiration for the hair brained scheme in the first place


Also, some areas are not suitable for underground tunnels and boring tunnels has been linked to the creation of sinkholes in the past

Underground cities are awesome, check out South Korea
https://en.blog.kkday.com/26386/asia-south-korea-seoul-underground-shopping-centers

As a transport system for private cars? Dumb. Remember his plan was for every house to have a garage to use the network so they wouldn't have to drive above ground and he mocked the notion of mass public transport

But keep creaming your pants for Elon

The trolling is strong in this one.

I'm well aware of those undergrounds shopping malls in Korea, I've been to them.  They are way cooler in person and much bigger than that article shows, they go on for miles.  You brought them up, why?

You are still pretending you think you can just build a road on top of a road from anywhere to anywhere and you post a picture of an interchange, the most expensive and biggest eyesore we can make as evidence. 

You really think building THAT on top of your house is a better idea than a tunnel underneath it?  Seriously?  You actually think that it's better to build dozens of multi-level highways through a city, demolishing houses and destroying entire neighborhoods than to tunnel under them.

I mean, if you want to go there, ok, but it makes you look pretty dumb.

And yes, you have to demolish houses if you want to build major highways through a city. Just ask Boston, they have spent billions trying to fix doing just that, and saw their city suffer massively when they just sliced it into sections building the highways through it. They still haven't recovered.  But sure... it's a great idea because you know, Elon makes spaceships and you hate him.

And how do you build those all over the city below?  How many buildings should we demolish?  Where exactly are we going to fit all those cloverleafs in there? 

Trolling? Why do you say that? Cant stand the fact that I dont agree with Musks stupid vision or plan?

I have no problem with an underground tunnel catering for MASS TRANSIT of people. I dont think it's ludicrous that every garage will have its own entry to the network for every private citizen to take his private car. Who is going to pay for such infrastructure? It's not feasible or economic for private use

Public transport? No problems. Private transport? Dumb

Also like I said, there are other ways to reduce congestion and all it takes is a shift away from the 9-5 lifestyle we are accustomed to. Working from home and staggered working hours or even 24 hour cycles would do wonders.

Also, not sure why a multi tiered road absolutely has to look like an eyesore lol. You dont need to demolish houses. There are many arterial roads NOT in residential areas where making extra lanes is not doable. However you dont need to spend tens of billions of dollars boring a 10km tunnel to essentially add an extra lane of traffic.

I know it hurts you that there are people out there that think Elon is a dick with some pretty stupid ideas

How about his stupid mini sub to rescue some boys trapped in a cave and when an expert diver told him where he could shove his idea, Elon called him a 'pedo' guy

Or his hair brained BFR rocket so people can blast off and travel across the world in under 1 hour (trusting his landing success vs that of a plane and increasing everyones carbon footprint. Hell, the F in BFR stands for 'fucking' he's that uncouth

Or his idea to 'nuke Mars' to help terraform? Really?
https://futurism.com/the-byte/elon-terraforming-mars-nukes

So you'd need to launch 3500 nukes every single day for 7 weeks. I suppose he has a plan for that? Maybe he can invent the technology that gets rid of what would be a radioactive wasteland?

He's just a guy with money who tries to act cool. On the inside he's a toxic megalomaniac, narcissistic prick who says a lot of stupid shit hoping one of them lands on the money or at the least, get his butt fugly mug on the news

oh and as to your picture. Please explain how each individual living there can have access to their own private entry to this underground network and all leave roughly the same time and not have any congestion issues because... Underground? lol

Trolling? Why do you say that? Cant stand the fact that I dont agree with Musks stupid vision or plan?

Trolling because when when you're challenged on your claims that tunnels are dumb and it's EASIER to just build roads on top of roads through cities, you post a picture of a clover leaf like you can just stamp those down all over an existing city.  Lazy trolling.

Trolling because you're clearly just bashing Elon because you know your audience and he's the bad spaceman.  Because you can't possibly think tunnels are a bad idea, otherwise why not say we should abandon the subway system and build lots of quadruple decker highways right through everyone's houses. 

Because of what you said right there, your main problem is 'Musks stupid vision' not the facts of the matter.  This has to do more about him than what he built, as you can't go for two sentences without saying how much you think he's dumb or how anyone who agrees with him must be in love with him.

So yeah. Troll. You know it, I know it, quit pretending otherwise. You are entertained by doing it, I'm entertained by pointing it out. 

Quote from: Shifter on April 13, 2021, 10:33:47 AM

Trolling? Why do you say that? Cant stand the fact that I dont agree with Musks stupid vision or plan?

Trolling because when when you're challenged on your claims that tunnels are dumb and it's EASIER to just build roads on top of roads through cities, you post a picture of a clover leaf like you can just stamp those down all over an existing city.  Lazy trolling.

Trolling because you're clearly just bashing Elon because you know your audience and he's the bad spaceman.  Because you can't possibly think tunnels are a bad idea, otherwise why not say we should abandon the subway system and build lots of quadruple decker highways right through everyone's houses. 

Because of what you said right there, your main problem is 'Musks stupid vision' not the facts of the matter.  This has to do more about him than what he built, as you can't go for two sentences without saying how much you think he's dumb or how anyone who agrees with him must be in love with him.

So yeah. Troll. You know it, I know it, quit pretending otherwise. You are entertained by doing it, I'm entertained by pointing it out. 

It is a stupid vision. And I never said to destroy homes. Thats all you putting words in my mouth because you realize your argument is shit - however your love for Elon commands you defend him at any cost lol

Or maybe I missed something? Tell me how when you have a densely packed city like in the pic you posted, how you can have each one of them have a private car to take an underground tunnel to wherever they want. Thousands of people. Thousands of destinations. Somehow underground boring eliminates the congestion??? And can be done economically?

Help my brain do the mental gymnastics and backflips how such a thing is logical. Remember, his idea was NOT for public transport but for private

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Quote from: Shifter on April 13, 2021, 10:33:47 AM

Trolling? Why do you say that? Cant stand the fact that I dont agree with Musks stupid vision or plan?

Trolling because when when you're challenged on your claims that tunnels are dumb and it's EASIER to just build roads on top of roads through cities, you post a picture of a clover leaf like you can just stamp those down all over an existing city.  Lazy trolling.

Trolling because you're clearly just bashing Elon because you know your audience and he's the bad spaceman.  Because you can't possibly think tunnels are a bad idea, otherwise why not say we should abandon the subway system and build lots of quadruple decker highways right through everyone's houses. 

Because of what you said right there, your main problem is 'Musks stupid vision' not the facts of the matter.  This has to do more about him than what he built, as you can't go for two sentences without saying how much you think he's dumb or how anyone who agrees with him must be in love with him.

So yeah. Troll. You know it, I know it, quit pretending otherwise. You are entertained by doing it, I'm entertained by pointing it out. 

It is a stupid vision. And I never said to destroy homes. Thats all you putting words in my mouth because you realize your argument is shit - however your love for Elon commands you defend him at any cost lol

See, you're doing it again. You can't even go for one sentence without saying how much you dislike him and how anyone who doesn't agree with you must love and worship him. Lazy. Shows you have no argument if you have to constantly bash the guy, which is your real goal here, playing for the audience. Spaceman bad! Durrrr.

You yourself said it's easier to build roads than tunnels. I pointed out real examples of where houses and entire neighborhoods were demolished to make these roads.  Not putting words anywhere, just pointing out that if you want a road going from one side of the city to another, a tunnel doesn't require you to bulldoze a path, or build expensive multi-level roads.

Or maybe I missed something? Tell me how when you have a densely packed city like in the pic you posted, how you can have each one of them have a private car to take an underground tunnel to wherever they want.

Yeah you missed something.  You missed where I never said there had to be entrances and exits to every house on the planet. Talk about putting words in mouths, that's the second time you tried that.

You even mentioned South Korea's underground malls, they have tons of entrances all over in a big city just like I showed. Bigger even. It's not hard to put elevators, stairs and escalators down to a network. We do it all the time. Why do you think this is impossible?

The only difference is Musks system is meant to have more, smaller stops instead of fewer bigger ones.  You really need to understand the concept here.

You also keep claiming this system isn't public transportation, well really?  Ever see shuttle busses in big cities? They fit maybe a dozen people and take them from place to place.  You pay money, get on and go to where you want.

What's the difference with the Vegas system?  You pay money, get in a vehicle that holds 1-5 people, and get taken to where you want.

That's not public transportation?  Why, because it doesn't carry as many people per vehicle? That's a pretty specific definition you have there. What's the lower limit, 6 people?  I bet I could fit 6 people in a Tesla. So is it 7 now? LOL. Let me find some clowns, I bet I can get that number up higher. Then would it fit your very precise definition of public transportation? 

Yeah you missed something.  You missed where I never said there had to be entrances and exits to every house on the planet. Talk about putting words in mouths, that's the second time you tried that.

The whole point of Elons brain wave WAS for an individual to have their own private garage and entry to an undergound network

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1118799_the-boring-company-wants-to-connect-your-garage-to-its-tunnels

So who pays for it? Thousands upon thousands of entry/exit points

It's an idea, cool in sci fi, but Musk has a big mouth that likes to imagine fiction is real (like 'nuke Mars' or his stupid mini sub to rescue people in a cave)

Maybe it's because you're American, you fall for this shit so easily. Just lap up whatever a flimflam is selling.

Quote from: JJA on April 13, 2021, 11:13:17 AM

Yeah you missed something.  You missed where I never said there had to be entrances and exits to every house on the planet. Talk about putting words in mouths, that's the second time you tried that.

The whole point of Elons brain wave WAS for an individual to have their own private garage and entry to an undergound network

Uh-huh. So your entire "Do you really think you can have an underground road network with an entry and exit point for every house? LOL" is based on this article where is says...

"may one day take cars and drivers straight into the system from their garages"

So because you read that one sentence, you decided that the entire system is completely unworkable and a horrible idea due to your imagination running wild and not being able to understand the difference between what was actually built and a random comment about what could be. One quote about the idea of private connections and you turn it into a requirement that every house MUST be hooked up to it and because that's clearly unfeasible, well the whole idea must be bad.  Bad spaceman, bad!

You really need some lessons in reading comprehension and basic logic. 

Quote from: Shifter on April 13, 2021, 11:28:11 AM

Quote from: JJA on April 13, 2021, 11:13:17 AM

Yeah you missed something.  You missed where I never said there had to be entrances and exits to every house on the planet. Talk about putting words in mouths, that's the second time you tried that.

The whole point of Elons brain wave WAS for an individual to have their own private garage and entry to an undergound network

Uh-huh. So your entire "Do you really think you can have an underground road network with an entry and exit point for every house? LOL" is based on this article where is says...

"may one day take cars and drivers straight into the system from their garages"

So because you read that one sentence, you decided that the entire system is completely unworkable and a horrible idea due to your imagination running wild and not being able to understand the difference between what was actually built and a random comment about what could be. One quote about the idea of private connections and you turn it into a requirement that every house MUST be hooked up to it and because that's clearly unfeasible, well the whole idea must be bad.  Bad spaceman, bad!

You really need some lessons in reading comprehension and basic logic. 

That was Musks vision. As idiotic and unworkable as his 'Nuke Mars' nonsense. But he tweets and people lap it up

Remember his tweets regarding the pandemic....

The panic over the virus is dumb

Hydroxychloroquine is a better treatment

Kids are immune

“Give people back their goddamn freedom” regarding lockdowns

I have good reasons to be skeptical of whatever this over bloated moron says. Unlike you, I would not take what he says at face value.

It's a horrible idea because you say so? 

No, because it is. It's like if you took a subway but removed everything that made it efficient.

I'm sure the people who spent all the time planning, spending money and building this sure feel silly now that some armchair engineer looked at a few pictures and declared the entire idea horrible. They could have saved so much time!

I am really really sorry for the engineers involved who had to carry through with Elon Musk's dumb scam. I feel sorry that they have Musk as an employer in general actually: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jun/13/tesla-workers-pay-price-elon-musk-failed-promises
https://www.inc.com/business-insider/elon-musk-rage-fires-employees-experts-say-its-terrible-leadership.html

Like, obviously they're not gonna tell him "uhhh this is not a great idea maybe" when he's probably just gonna fire them at the spot if they do.

And how is what was built not public transport?  Please explain how this system is not public transport, but subways and busses are. What exactly disqualifies it?  I'm rather curious to hear your explanation.

Because this is basically underground taxis.

I should have said mass transit, not public transport, but whatever, it's not public transport either, so far at least.

Also I am not even sure why we are talking about roads, we don't need more roads. Literally just make cheap mass transit. I live in a city of around 3 million and we don't even have a great mass transit system (no money) but it's at least sort of decent, and it is good enough that we never get the massive traffic jams the US does all the time. We literally only have 3 subway lines (and another one is in construction) and they alleviate so much traffic. It is so much better than 20 years ago when that didn't exist. Imagine if instead of 3 there were, like, 8, and more busses. Maybe even a few monorails like they have in China, Japan etc.

Also I am not even sure why we are talking about roads, we don't need more roads. Literally just make cheap mass transit. I live in a city of around 3 million and we don't even have a great mass transit system (no money) but it's at least sort of decent, and it is good enough that we never get the massive traffic jams the US does all the time. We literally only have 3 subway lines (and another one is in construction) and they alleviate so much traffic. It is so much better than 20 years ago when that didn't exist. Imagine if instead of 3 there were, like, 8, and more busses. Maybe even a few monorails like they have in China, Japan etc.

What city is that? and what is the country your in?

Quote from: Pezevenk on April 13, 2021, 12:29:59 PM

Also I am not even sure why we are talking about roads, we don't need more roads. Literally just make cheap mass transit. I live in a city of around 3 million and we don't even have a great mass transit system (no money) but it's at least sort of decent, and it is good enough that we never get the massive traffic jams the US does all the time. We literally only have 3 subway lines (and another one is in construction) and they alleviate so much traffic. It is so much better than 20 years ago when that didn't exist. Imagine if instead of 3 there were, like, 8, and more busses. Maybe even a few monorails like they have in China, Japan etc.

What city is that? and what is the country your in?

It is Athens, Greece. There is also a suburban railway.

Quote from: FE4 on April 13, 2021, 12:33:37 PM

Quote from: Pezevenk on April 13, 2021, 12:29:59 PM

Also I am not even sure why we are talking about roads, we don't need more roads. Literally just make cheap mass transit. I live in a city of around 3 million and we don't even have a great mass transit system (no money) but it's at least sort of decent, and it is good enough that we never get the massive traffic jams the US does all the time. We literally only have 3 subway lines (and another one is in construction) and they alleviate so much traffic. It is so much better than 20 years ago when that didn't exist. Imagine if instead of 3 there were, like, 8, and more busses. Maybe even a few monorails like they have in Chin
a, Japan etc.

What city is that? and what is the country your in?

It is Athens, Greece. There is also a suburban railway.

Well if theres no money to build a trzit system then you can walk or something.
i dont think the Comrades in North korea have a major tranzit systems either considering we spread the money equally(Yes i believe in Communism and no i dont live in north korea)

Quote from: JJA on April 13, 2021, 12:02:22 PM

Quote from: Shifter on April 13, 2021, 11:28:11 AM

Quote from: JJA on April 13, 2021, 11:13:17 AM

Yeah you missed something.  You missed where I never said there had to be entrances and exits to every house on the planet. Talk about putting words in mouths, that's the second time you tried that.

The whole point of Elons brain wave WAS for an individual to have their own private garage and entry to an undergound network

Uh-huh. So your entire "Do you really think you can have an underground road network with an entry and exit point for every house? LOL" is based on this article where is says...

"may one day take cars and drivers straight into the system from their garages"

So because you read that one sentence, you decided that the entire system is completely unworkable and a horrible idea due to your imagination running wild and not being able to understand the difference between what was actually built and a random comment about what could be. One quote about the idea of private connections and you turn it into a requirement that every house MUST be hooked up to it and because that's clearly unfeasible, well the whole idea must be bad.  Bad spaceman, bad!

You really need some lessons in reading comprehension and basic logic. 

That was Musks vision. As idiotic and unworkable as his 'Nuke Mars' nonsense. But he tweets and people lap it up

Remember his tweets regarding the pandemic....

The panic over the virus is dumb

Hydroxychloroquine is a better treatment

Kids are immune

“Give people back their goddamn freedom” regarding lockdowns

I have good reasons to be skeptical of whatever this over bloated moron says. Unlike you, I would not take what he says at face value.

So... once again you don't really have any factual arguments.  Just a lot of "Musk is dumb" and envy that his tweets get likes.

Not sure what you think I'm taking at face value... this whole thing started with his Vegas project, which was actually built and is functioning and transporting people. But I guess according you you "spaceman dumb" so yeah... everyone involved in the project is just not as smart as you Asussies and they built it TOTALLY ON HIS WORD and didn't do any of their own research. Sure.

But I suppose my entire opinion is based on how bad I want to have Elons baby or something.  I don't think I'm the one who has an obsession with him here... 

Quote from: Shifter on April 13, 2021, 12:17:24 PM

Quote from: JJA on April 13, 2021, 12:02:22 PM

Quote from: Shifter on April 13, 2021, 11:28:11 AM

Quote from: JJA on April 13, 2021, 11:13:17 AM

Yeah you missed something.  You missed where I never said there had to be entrances and exits to every house on the planet. Talk about putting words in mouths, that's the second time you tried that.

The whole point of Elons brain wave WAS for an individual to have their own private garage and entry to an undergound network

Uh-huh. So your entire "Do you really think you can have an underground road network with an entry and exit point for every house? LOL" is based on this article where is says...

"may one day take cars and drivers straight into the system from their garages"

So because you read that one sentence, you decided that the entire system is completely unworkable and a horrible idea due to your imagination running wild and not being able to understand the difference between what was actually built and a random comment about what could be. One quote about the idea of private connections and you turn it into a requirement that every house MUST be hooked up to it and because that's clearly unfeasible, well the whole idea must be bad.  Bad spaceman, bad!

You really need some lessons in reading comprehension and basic logic. 

That was Musks vision. As idiotic and unworkable as his 'Nuke Mars' nonsense. But he tweets and people lap it up

Remember his tweets regarding the pandemic....

The panic over the virus is dumb

Hydroxychloroquine is a better treatment

Kids are immune

“Give people back their goddamn freedom” regarding lockdowns

I have good reasons to be skeptical of whatever this over bloated moron says. Unlike you, I would not take what he says at face value.

So... once again you don't really have any factual arguments.  Just a lot of "Musk is dumb" and envy that his tweets get likes.

Not sure what you think I'm taking at face value... this whole thing started with his Vegas project, which was actually built and is functioning and transporting people. But I guess according you you "spaceman dumb" so yeah... everyone involved in the project is just not as smart as you Asussies and they built it TOTALLY ON HIS WORD and didn't do any of their own research. Sure.

But I suppose my entire opinion is based on how bad I want to have Elons baby or something.  I don't think I'm the one who has an obsession with him here... 

A lot of things come down to money. If the issue is traffic congestion, there are a plethora of cheaper ways to solve the issues than some stupid underground tunnel which wont work when you put many thousands of vehicles in it

Better and more efficient public transport and staggered working hours and even working from home. Much much cheaper

But Elon Musk made a tweet, people cream their pants as if it's divine and word of truth

Quote from: JJA on April 13, 2021, 05:53:14 AM

It's a horrible idea because you say so? 

No, because it is. It's like if you took a subway but removed everything that made it efficient.

Or... if you took a subway and removed all the things that made it inefficient to cover more of a city and made it suitable to spread out more using cars instead of trains.

Don't be so close minded to new ideas, or old ones.  A large network using individual cars to take people point to point is an idea as old as subways, we just now are getting to the point where it's feasible to make them.

Even if it's a bad spaceman doing it.

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I'm sure the people who spent all the time planning, spending money and building this sure feel silly now that some armchair engineer looked at a few pictures and declared the entire idea horrible. They could have saved so much time!

I am really really sorry for the engineers involved who had to carry through with Elon Musk's dumb scam. I feel sorry that they have Musk as an employer in general actually: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jun/13/tesla-workers-pay-price-elon-musk-failed-promises
https://www.inc.com/business-insider/elon-musk-rage-fires-employees-experts-say-its-terrible-leadership.html

Like, obviously they're not gonna tell him "uhhh this is not a great idea maybe" when he's probably just gonna fire them at the spot if they do.

You have insider knowledge of this 'obvious' fact that probably is true? You know, if he does fire anyone who says no... that means that every decision at Space-X and Tesla is completely his since nobody can tell him no.  That makes him look even smarter if you ask me, and everyone who set no should have been fires, since they were clearly wrong. Are you a secret admirer of his?

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And how is what was built not public transport?  Please explain how this system is not public transport, but subways and busses are. What exactly disqualifies it?  I'm rather curious to hear your explanation.

Because this is basically underground taxis.

I should have said mass transit, not public transport, but whatever, it's not public transport either, so far at least.

How is it not public transit?  I asked Shifted this too but he ignored it.

Plenty of cities use small transport shuttles hardly bigger than a van. You wait at a stop, pay, and get taken to where you want to go. How is his system any different, other than building an underground network to operate on?  It's a system to move people around, run by a city, used for the public... what's your reasoning here other than simply saying it isn't?

A lot of things come down to money. If the issue is traffic congestion, there are a plethora of cheaper ways to solve the issues than some stupid underground tunnel which wont work when you put many thousands of vehicles in it

"There are better ways so this way is totes stupid and won't ever work and is dumb and I don't understand it and we shouldn't ever do anything at all cause it's not my perfect idea."

Well why didn't you just say so in the first place?

Quote from: Shifter on April 13, 2021, 12:53:26 PM

A lot of things come down to money. If the issue is traffic congestion, there are a plethora of cheaper ways to solve the issues than some stupid underground tunnel which wont work when you put many thousands of vehicles in it

"There are better ways so this way is totes stupid and won't ever work and is dumb and I don't understand it and we shouldn't ever do anything at all cause it's not my perfect idea."

Well why didn't you just say so in the first place?

Quit being a dumbarse and putting words in peoples mouths. Not what I have said at all

I dont mind tunnels but for private use its dumb. Public transport its great

Who is going to pay for the many thousands of km worth of tunnels to accommodate the many thousands of vehicles inside with many thousands of entry/exit points for peoples garages. It was always a dumb idea. Elon knows he cant tweet whatever he likes and idiots will squeal with glee. Like Trump. 'Hey Guys! you can drink or inject disinfectant to kill the corone!'

And what do you know, some idiots (Ameritards) did

A lot of the hype surrounding Hydroxychloroquine was because of Elon too which Trump heaped on. What the fuck does he know about medicine, disease and viruses?