You値l Own Nothing and You値l Be Happy

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« on: February 14, 2021, 09:03:50 PM »
https://internationalman.com/articles/you-will-own-nothing-and-you-will-be-happy/

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Klaus Schwab was born in Nazi Germany in 1938. Little information is available as to his upbringing i.e., the degree to which he was educated to believe in Nazi doctrine but whatever he was taught in his youth, he is, today, one of the most ardent believers in, and proponents of, totalitarian rule.

The term 哲azi refers to Nationalsozialistisch, or 哲ational Socialism, and its overall concept was fascism a concept that encompassed a corporatist economic system, socialist political system and totalitarian rule.

Whilst this description may seem rather convoluted, the concept was believed by Wall Street and much of the US government in the 1930s as the way of the future. So much so that they provided considerable financial and logistical support for Nazi Germany during the 1930s and even into the 1940s.

Following the war, only a handful of Germans were prosecuted for war crimes at the Nuremburg trials. Countless others were taken on board by both US industry and the government following the war, to educate American industry in German methodology.

For many years following the war, Nazi concepts remained under the radar, but in recent years, they致e become a major force within not only the US, but also US ally states: Canada, Australia, the UK and, most notably, the EU.


The basic concepts are perennial in their attraction to those who seek to dominate:

1) Create an uber class of those who are highly positioned in both industry and politics.

2) Cripple the middle class economically, so that they no longer have the power to make their own life decisions.

3) Offer dramatically increased dependency on the State as a relief from the economic hardship created by the state.

4) Remove freedoms, in trade for the promise of largesse from the State.

5) Institute a police state and totalitarian rule to ensure that the new paradigm will be lasting.

6) Once controls are fully implemented and the populace has become dependent on the new system, begin to remove the promised entitlements.

The idea behind this final bullet point is that, once the population is thoroughly dependent upon the state, they will have lost the power to object or rebel if entitlements are removed. They are then fully dominated.

Of course, if any individual were to read the above menu, he would immediately say, 哲o way! and reject the programme outright. Therefore, if such an oppressive regime were to be imposed upon a people, it would need to be sold to them as a benefit, not as virtual enslavement.

Adolf Hitler was proud of saying, 溺ake the lie big. Keep it simple. Keep saying it and eventually, they will believe it.

Quite so. Fortunately, Mister Hitler and his friends were removed from the firmament before the final stages of the programme could be implemented.

But today, the jurisdictions listed above are now solidly in the completion stage of bullet point #2 and have begun to provide the offer of bullet point #3: the promised solution to the populace.

And so, we return to our poster boy for totalitarianism: Klaus Schwab.

His fame has been earned through his creation and chairmanship of the World Economic Forum (WEF). Over the last half century, the WEF has grown in influence to become one of the foremost leaders in the proposition of a New World Order.

As with Mister Hitler, in order to sell Totalitarianism 201 to the people of the countries in question, the technique once again is to 溺ake the lie big.

Professor Schwab痴 video offers an idyllic state in which people can rid themselves of all the personal debt, the political upheaval and the social unrest that is now expanding so rapidly.

The proposed solution is that you sign over your right to own possessions on a permanent basis, in trade for a life in which there is minimal responsibility. The world government will provide you with a basic income. You will rent whatever you need a residence, a vehicle, appliances, even your clothing.

Most importantly, as can be seen from the countenance of the citizen in the image above, you値l be happy.

There will be no more wars. A 塗andful of countries will rule the world cooperatively. There will be no waiting for medical attention. 典here will be a global price on carbon emissions. (This states that those who use fossil fuels everyone will be taxed for its use, although no explanation is given as to how this keeps the world from ending in twelve years due to emissions, as globalists claim.)

The government will have full control of every aspect of your life, plus the task of removing any obstacles to your happiness.

Sounds wonderful. Where do I sign up?

But if we stop and think for a moment, we might wish to ask a few questions.

For one thing, you give up all rights at the beginning of the deal. You will have lost all your possessions and all your freedoms. You will be 100% dependent upon the state. Their part of the deal is to be delivered on the back end.

But once you池e totally dependent and can no longer extricate yourself from the deal, there痴 nothing to stop them from removing the punch bowl Oh-oh.

All the things that were promised may be withdrawn one at a time, until you池e both subservient and impoverished. You will lack the ability to rebel or even to complain.

For generations, political leaders have offered empty promises that were never kept. Conservative and liberal political leaders alike have consistently made a grand show of disagreeing with each other on what form of governance might serve the people best. Yet, somehow, the result, no matter which group theoretically holds the reins of power at any given time, has always been a larger, more powerful government and a populace that was increasingly robbed of its freedoms  social, political and economic.

We are now at the very turning point at which much of the former Free World is being tempted to make the leap into the 釘rave New World.

All the social, political and economic problems that presently exist have been caused by political leaders. They are now asking you to trust them to end those problems.

The promise is a simple one: You値l own nothing. And you値l be happy.

But you池e not required to sign up. All you need do is sit still and accept the transformation to totalitarianism as it plays out.

Nothing could be simpler.

Editor痴 Note: There痴 no question the elite are eager to promote policies like negative interest rates, the abolition of cash, and mass migration. These trends are in motion, and are accelerating at a rapid rate.

It痴 all shaping up to be a world-class disaster one unlike anything we致e seen before.

So is our economy based on Nazi Germany ideals? Wall Street supported them and following the war we took them in to educate us in their ways?

I'm thinking 2030 is a little soon short of something radical happening but I would not be surprised if this ideal is someone's endgame

If those in charge were benevolent, maybe we could see a future like Star Trek, where money no longer exists, but as we know, power corrupts and history has not shown us any politician regardless whether they be left or right to keep their promises.

I mean in theory the concept is ok. Perhaps like in China you get a social score and a higher score = more entitlements and privileges which is what will motivate people to work. It might also mean we don't become a throw away society buying new gadgets every few months, throwing away perfectly good tech etc

What do you think? Would you be happy to 'own nothing', not even the clothes on your back if it meant everyone could live with a roof over their head and full bellies? Or continue with capitalism which segregates us into classes where many are either impoverished, homeless, starving, slaves to debt for most of their lives with only 1-2% actually being 'free' and in control of the masses.


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Re: You値l Own Nothing and You値l Be Happy
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2021, 09:38:10 PM »


This video used to be on World Economic Forum website, but they took it down for obvious reasons.

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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2021, 01:27:39 AM »


This video used to be on World Economic Forum website, but they took it down for obvious reasons.



Actually, they didn't take it down. It's still there. It's on the World Economic Forum website page titled, "8 predictions for the world in 2030".

In the YT version you posted, the poster put the link right in the top of his/her video description:

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/8-predictions-for-the-world-in-2030/

So I'm not sure why you're saying they took it down from their site.

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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2021, 05:25:08 AM »

So is our economy based on Nazi Germany ideals? Wall Street supported them and following the war we took them in to educate us in their ways?
No and no.  That article was dog shit.

The modern US economy and culture has bears no resemblance to the Nazi war economy - Hitler would be horrified by it, if he could even get his head round it.


If you actually want to read about the history of the Nazi economy, I'd recommend this fantastic book:

The Wages of Descruction

One of the best non-fiction books I've read. Amazing depth and insights.
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Re: You値l Own Nothing and You値l Be Happy
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2021, 10:55:07 AM »


lol
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« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2021, 02:14:25 PM »
Fun fact: This is how businesses operate these days.
The trend is about lean.  Be as lean as you can.  Find something you're good at and be VERY good at it.  Cut out all the excess.  Not a realestate company?  Lease a building.  Not an IT company?  Lease computers.  Not a car manufacturer?  Rent your vehicles.  Need employees?  Sub-contractors!

The idea being you save money (or at least be flexible) by not having to worry about things that are not in your company's expertise.  So if your building suddenly has a water main break, not your problem.  That's why you lease.
Need to downsize your staff?  Bam!  Just end the contract with the subcontractor.  Firing all those people?  Not your problem.
Need to build a factory?  Find a place with what you need and lease it!  Why build when you don't need to?  Not only do you solve the problem of figuring out how to build a factory and how to keep the local municipality happy, but when its not profitable, you just walk away.  Its that easy!


So the idea of owning "nothing", from a business standpoint, is very good.  But from a people standpoint: Its very bad.  Humans are wired to want ownership.  When we rent an apartment, we don't say "Wanna come back to my landlord's apartment?"  No, we say "My place"  "My car."  "My job"  etc...
So no, we need ownership.  Or at least the percieved sense of ownership.

Also, economically, its not feasable to have the state provide for everything while simulataniously making it economically difficult for people to pay taxes.
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« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2021, 10:58:35 PM »
Shitler, please sum up your point in 2-3 sentences. I am not reading book lomg posts from you just to afterwards realize there was no point being made.
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« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2021, 11:48:42 PM »
For a shorter summary see Lorddave's.

For an even shorter summary is a complaint about the way the world is outsources absolutely every aspect of business and perhaps personal life.
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« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2021, 11:52:27 PM »
Shitler, please sum up your point in 2-3 sentences. I am not reading book lomg posts from you just to afterwards realize there was no point being made.

Imagine a welfare, communist state.
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« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2021, 12:27:36 AM »
Shitler, please sum up your point in 2-3 sentences. I am not reading book lomg posts from you just to afterwards realize there was no point being made.

The bulk of my post was a quote from the web page to save you from having to go there yourself

Don't blame your pathetic attention span and crappy reading skills on me. If you actually read my post (no surprises you looked at it and put it in the 'too hard' basket) you would have seen it only had a few short questions and a few sentences on my own thoughts

Your post is nothing short of trolling. It had zero content and zero point. Keep in mind the board you are posting in. If you have nothing to add or cant be bothered reading the post, don't reply


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« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2021, 12:28:22 AM »


lol


hahaha, I love that channel. He's onto this topic too!


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« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2021, 09:59:34 AM »
You know there痴 a UN Climate Change Conference coming up when libertarians start writing articles about the impending New World Order.  All about Agenda 21 last time, IIRC?

This old chestnut is an absolute classic:

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All the social, political and economic problems that presently exist have been caused by political leaders. They are now asking you to trust them to end those problems.

The whole 徒eep the state small and let the market sort it out thing is as much a political position as any. Many problems have been caused by politicians allowing the market to run amok with inadequate regulation.  But according to this twisted logic all political problems are automatically caused by too much state power, no matter what.  Total nonsense.

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« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2021, 10:22:10 AM »
Shitler, please sum up your point in 2-3 sentences. I am not reading book lomg posts from you just to afterwards realize there was no point being made.

The bulk of my post was a quote from the web page to save you from having to go there yourself

Don't blame your pathetic attention span and crappy reading skills on me. If you actually read my post (no surprises you looked at it and put it in the 'too hard' basket) you would have seen it only had a few short questions and a few sentences on my own thoughts

Your post is nothing short of trolling. It had zero content and zero point. Keep in mind the board you are posting in. If you have nothing to add or cant be bothered reading the post, don't reply

Then don't make posts containing quotes longer than all the harry potter books combined? You are well known for writing much, saying little. It's time to change it, shifter!
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« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2021, 10:37:58 AM »
Bill Gates owns the largest amount of farmland in the US now???

WTF!!!???
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« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2021, 10:40:58 AM »
Shitler, please sum up your point in 2-3 sentences. I am not reading book lomg posts from you just to afterwards realize there was no point being made.

The bulk of my post was a quote from the web page to save you from having to go there yourself

Don't blame your pathetic attention span and crappy reading skills on me. If you actually read my post (no surprises you looked at it and put it in the 'too hard' basket) you would have seen it only had a few short questions and a few sentences on my own thoughts

Your post is nothing short of trolling. It had zero content and zero point. Keep in mind the board you are posting in. If you have nothing to add or cant be bothered reading the post, don't reply

Then don't make posts containing quotes longer than all the harry potter books combined? You are well known for writing much, saying little. It's time to change it, shifter!

The quote was the website article to save you the click. Learn to read or piss off the thread, troll


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« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2021, 11:29:06 AM »
Bill Gates owns the largest amount of farmland in the US now???

WTF!!!???

He is also the largest stakeholder in Canadian National Railway. I only mention this because people were talking about it the other day when they found out about the farmland in the US. lol
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« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2021, 11:31:59 AM »
Bill Gates owns the largest amount of farmland in the US now???

WTF!!!???

He is also the largest stakeholder in Canadian National Railway. I only mention this because people were talking about it the other day when they found out about the farmland in the US. lol

Bill Gates is slowly taking ownership of the world!


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« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2021, 12:09:14 PM »
You know there痴 a UN Climate Change Conference coming up when libertarians start writing articles about the impending New World Order.  All about Agenda 21 last time, IIRC?

This old chestnut is an absolute classic:

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All the social, political and economic problems that presently exist have been caused by political leaders. They are now asking you to trust them to end those problems.

The whole 徒eep the state small and let the market sort it out thing is as much a political position as any. Many problems have been caused by politicians allowing the market to run amok with inadequate regulation.  But according to this twisted logic all political problems are automatically caused by too much state power, no matter what.  Total nonsense.
I think that the problem is that economic prosperity based on consumption is not very friendly to the environment, especially for a very large population.
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« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2021, 11:18:45 PM »
Shifter, whx are you so angry?
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« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2021, 01:04:47 AM »
Shifter, whx are you so angry?

Why do you have to be such a j舩te?

Perhaps the mods can remove yours and subsequently my replies to you into the garbage dump. Troll away in there.


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« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2021, 03:12:48 AM »
Shittler I just read part of your first post!

I think the issue is that communism just doesnt work, as has been shown historically. In a perfect world, communistic ideas might be good. But fact is, 1) even in communism there are a lot of decisions to be made (including what/how much is produced, who gets the product etc) and 2) humans are greedy. 1)+ 2) dont go together that well.
In my opinion social capitalism works best, meaning a capitalistic market with regulations where needed combined with a lean government that provides healthcare etc. for everybody.
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« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2021, 03:59:47 AM »
Shittler I just read part of your first post!

I think the issue is that communism just doesnt work, as has been shown historically. In a perfect world, communistic ideas might be good. But fact is, 1) even in communism there are a lot of decisions to be made (including what/how much is produced, who gets the product etc) and 2) humans are greedy. 1)+ 2) dont go together that well.
In my opinion social capitalism works best, meaning a capitalistic market with regulations where needed combined with a lean government that provides healthcare etc. for everybody.

I agree capitalism has benefits and it's really what has driven human progression and technological prowess but are we reaching it's zenith? With 7 billion people and counting all wanting the same thing and where greed and profit reign supreme can we continue to do this with such limited resources?

For example, companies have been busted for deliberately sabotaging their products longevity because heaven forbid you buy a fridge, washing machine or toaster and then never need to buy another one again. There is no reason why most smart phones older than 3 years cant be upgraded to the latest software versions in many cases. They just want you to buy a whole new phone and so on

Looking at America as an example now. The bastion of democracy and the free world - but it has never looked so toxic. People there hate each other - they are divided on partisan lines. Despite the fact that people are free to speak the truth, not many are listening anyway. You still get strong men or power hungry politicians that are happy to spread falsehoods and lies while condemning truth as 'fake news' for their own advantage and people are happy to walk off the cliff

I'm not saying communism/socialism is better - it isn't because human nature will ultimately corrupt those in power no matter how good their intentions were to begin with - but with 7 billion people now, I think capitalism does need to evolve with the times and demand

Capitalism is why no one in power really has the courage to combat climate change - a real existential threat to humanity. It is also why even in a pandemic, people will expose themselves to lethal viruses to spread among one another to keep the economy ticking

Most people, even those well off in the middle class, will spend the majority of their lives slaved to servicing debt. Now what difference does it really make if I didn't 'own' my house or car etc?

What if the new 'currency' was a social score? Depending on your job or how you manage to stay out of trouble with the law etc determines what kind of score you get and how much you can 'cash in' for stuff

I will admit though, China did attempt this 'own nothing' many decades ago and it led to extreme famine and poverty. And because a farmer didn't 'own' his crop, if he was starving and caught eating some, he'd be violently beaten/arrested

I don't think humanity will ever find the perfect system. Perhaps one day we will make an ASI to come up with the solution :)

Sorry, this post was probably too many words :P


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« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2021, 05:41:25 AM »
I agree capitalism has benefits and it's really what has driven human progression and technological prowess but are we reaching it's zenith? With 7 billion people and counting all wanting the same thing and where greed and profit reign supreme can we continue to do this with such limited resources?

For example, companies have been busted for deliberately sabotaging their products longevity because heaven forbid you buy a fridge, washing machine or toaster and then never need to buy another one again. There is no reason why most smart phones older than 3 years cant be upgraded to the latest software versions in many cases. They just want you to buy a whole new phone and so on

Looking at America as an example now. The bastion of democracy and the free world - but it has never looked so toxic. People there hate each other - they are divided on partisan lines. Despite the fact that people are free to speak the truth, not many are listening anyway. You still get strong men or power hungry politicians that are happy to spread falsehoods and lies while condemning truth as 'fake news' for their own advantage and people are happy to walk off the cliff

I'm not saying communism/socialism is better - it isn't because human nature will ultimately corrupt those in power no matter how good their intentions were to begin with - but with 7 billion people now, I think capitalism does need to evolve with the times and demand

Capitalism is why no one in power really has the courage to combat climate change - a real existential threat to humanity. It is also why even in a pandemic, people will expose themselves to lethal viruses to spread among one another to keep the economy ticking

Most people, even those well off in the middle class, will spend the majority of their lives slaved to servicing debt. Now what difference does it really make if I didn't 'own' my house or car etc?

What if the new 'currency' was a social score? Depending on your job or how you manage to stay out of trouble with the law etc determines what kind of score you get and how much you can 'cash in' for stuff

I will admit though, China did attempt this 'own nothing' many decades ago and it led to extreme famine and poverty. And because a farmer didn't 'own' his crop, if he was starving and caught eating some, he'd be violently beaten/arrested

I don't think humanity will ever find the perfect system. Perhaps one day we will make an ASI to come up with the solution :)

Sorry, this post was probably too many words :P

But is capitalism necessarily to fault for humanity's inability to coordinate an effort against climate change?

Capitalism has led to innovations that are pro-climate, like the electric car and fake meat. Capitalism has also led to otherwise fossil fuel-emitting processes becoming much more efficient and requiring less fuel.

I'd wager that whatever responsibility capitalism bears, it has more than made up for it by offering solutions. But entire populaces can't be convinced overnight to swap out their gas-guzzling truck for an electric car or to set down their hamburgers and try a plant-based alternative, etc.

Those things just take time.
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« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2021, 07:00:27 AM »
I agree capitalism has benefits and it's really what has driven human progression and technological prowess but are we reaching it's zenith? With 7 billion people and counting all wanting the same thing and where greed and profit reign supreme can we continue to do this with such limited resources?

For example, companies have been busted for deliberately sabotaging their products longevity because heaven forbid you buy a fridge, washing machine or toaster and then never need to buy another one again. There is no reason why most smart phones older than 3 years cant be upgraded to the latest software versions in many cases. They just want you to buy a whole new phone and so on

Looking at America as an example now. The bastion of democracy and the free world - but it has never looked so toxic. People there hate each other - they are divided on partisan lines. Despite the fact that people are free to speak the truth, not many are listening anyway. You still get strong men or power hungry politicians that are happy to spread falsehoods and lies while condemning truth as 'fake news' for their own advantage and people are happy to walk off the cliff

I'm not saying communism/socialism is better - it isn't because human nature will ultimately corrupt those in power no matter how good their intentions were to begin with - but with 7 billion people now, I think capitalism does need to evolve with the times and demand

Capitalism is why no one in power really has the courage to combat climate change - a real existential threat to humanity. It is also why even in a pandemic, people will expose themselves to lethal viruses to spread among one another to keep the economy ticking

Most people, even those well off in the middle class, will spend the majority of their lives slaved to servicing debt. Now what difference does it really make if I didn't 'own' my house or car etc?

What if the new 'currency' was a social score? Depending on your job or how you manage to stay out of trouble with the law etc determines what kind of score you get and how much you can 'cash in' for stuff

I will admit though, China did attempt this 'own nothing' many decades ago and it led to extreme famine and poverty. And because a farmer didn't 'own' his crop, if he was starving and caught eating some, he'd be violently beaten/arrested

I don't think humanity will ever find the perfect system. Perhaps one day we will make an ASI to come up with the solution :)

Sorry, this post was probably too many words :P

But is capitalism necessarily to fault for humanity's inability to coordinate an effort against climate change?

Capitalism has led to innovations that are pro-climate, like the electric car and fake meat. Capitalism has also led to otherwise fossil fuel-emitting processes becoming much more efficient and requiring less fuel.

I'd wager that whatever responsibility capitalism bears, it has more than made up for it by offering solutions. But entire populaces can't be convinced overnight to swap out their gas-guzzling truck for an electric car or to set down their hamburgers and try a plant-based alternative, etc.

Those things just take time.
Regulation of capitalism has led to fossil fuel emitting processes becoming more efficient and requiring less fuel.  Unfettered capitalism would still see leaded fuel and other cheap corner cutting measures to reduce the cost as much as possible.
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« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2021, 09:16:56 AM »
Corporate welfare probably shoulders a lot of the blame for humanity's inability to coordinate an effort to combat climate change. Not capitalism. The ridiculous subsidies that go to the oil industry make for a strong incentive to have them maintain the status quo instead of seeing a move to other energy technologies as a potential gold mine in terms of future profits. Hence, the great efforts they've gone to in order to convince people there is no issue to try and combat.

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« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2021, 09:21:59 AM »
Corporate welfare probably shoulders a lot of the blame for humanity's inability to coordinate an effort to combat climate change. Not capitalism. The ridiculous subsidies that go to the oil industry make for a strong incentive to have them maintain the status quo instead of seeing a move to other energy technologies as a potential gold mine in terms of future profits. Hence, the great efforts they've gone to in order to convince people there is no issue to try and combat.

Not from what I've seen.
The shift is to green power, but they've sunk so much money into drilling that they want their money's worth.  So they're planning for the shift while trying to milk as much oil money as they can.
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« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2021, 10:08:18 AM »
Well, they absolutely are getting billions of dollars in subsidies, and they absolutely have been promoting disinformation about the impacts of carbon emissions, and the reason for that wasn't because it was just really fun.

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Re: You値l Own Nothing and You値l Be Happy
« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2021, 10:13:57 AM »
We also have to fight against existing energy monopolies to get solar going. None of the industries that make shit loads of money off the way things are want anything to change.
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« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2021, 02:23:32 AM »
Capitalism has led to innovations that are pro-climate, like the electric car .
The electric car is not "pro-climate", it's just potentially less damaging than ICE alternatives.  In somewhere like China, which is pretty typical for many countries, you will be burning coal every time you put your foot down in an electric car.

It also obviously uses great amounts of precious resources and knocks out plenty of pollution in it's production.  If you want to be "pro-climate" then walk or cycle.  Or use communal transport train or ride a bus.

Also, electric cars wouldn't exist without vast government subsidy programs.  If left purely to the market they wouldn't exist in the first place.
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« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2021, 04:03:50 AM »
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Also, electric cars wouldn't exist without vast government subsidy programs.  If left purely to the market they wouldn't exist in the first place.

Considering they were invented in the late 1800s... I don't think this is true.  And switching to any new energy source usually requires some kind of governemnt intervention as the old way is almost always cheaper.
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