Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat

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Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
« Reply #330 on: December 24, 2020, 11:10:25 PM »
We are totally going to listen to you speak about advanced physics while being unable to explain a cat toy.
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Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
« Reply #331 on: December 24, 2020, 11:25:38 PM »
You have zero evidence for your claims sound is ether waves.

Here is the LASER OPTICAL AHARONOV-BOHM EFFECT.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF02189249

https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1367-2630/10/8/083036

http://news.mit.edu/2019/aharonov-bohm-effect-physics-observed-0905

https://phys.org/news/2014-05-breakthrough-paper-aharonov-bohm-effect-published.html


https://arxiv.org/pdf/1502.05716.pdf

Nonlocality of the Aharonov-Bohm Effect


https://arxiv.org/pdf/1110.3795.pdf

Quantum nonlocality based on finite-speed causal influences
leads to superluminal signalling

Nonlocal quantum entanglement must originate outside of or beyond 4D spacetime.


The laser beam is affected by the POTENTIAL. Potential = ether waves.


The laser signal itself propagates through ether waves, all the way to the wall and back.

This is hilarious. You just barfed up a bunch of links to papers about lasers and such. None of which have anything to do with anything and none of which mention anything about ether. Do you think that just linking to a bunch of irrelevant papers somehow make your arguments relevant? What kind of science are you peddling?
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Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
« Reply #332 on: December 24, 2020, 11:31:02 PM »
You have zero evidence for your claims sound is ether waves.

Here is the LASER OPTICAL AHARONOV-BOHM EFFECT.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF02189249

https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1367-2630/10/8/083036

http://news.mit.edu/2019/aharonov-bohm-effect-physics-observed-0905

https://phys.org/news/2014-05-breakthrough-paper-aharonov-bohm-effect-published.html


https://arxiv.org/pdf/1502.05716.pdf

Nonlocality of the Aharonov-Bohm Effect


https://arxiv.org/pdf/1110.3795.pdf

Quantum nonlocality based on finite-speed causal influences
leads to superluminal signalling

Nonlocal quantum entanglement must originate outside of or beyond 4D spacetime.


The laser beam is affected by the POTENTIAL. Potential = ether waves.


The laser signal itself propagates through ether waves, all the way to the wall and back.

This is hilarious. You just barfed up a bunch of links to papers about lasers and such. None of which have anything to do with anything and none of which mention anything about ether. Do you think that just linking to a bunch of irrelevant papers somehow make your arguments relevant? What kind of science are you peddling?
Did you like the part where laser beam(ether waves) propagates through ether waves while being affected by ether waves?
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Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
« Reply #333 on: December 24, 2020, 11:36:06 PM »
The optical Aharonov-Bohm effect proves that laser beams are affected by the potential, ether waves that is.

Any phenomenon involving lasers must be explained using ether waves.

Are you denying the Aharonov-Bohm effect?

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Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
« Reply #334 on: December 24, 2020, 11:41:11 PM »
The optical Aharonov-Bohm effect proves that laser beams are affected by the potential, ether waves that is.

Where's the proof? And don't copy pasta the shit out of your answer. Just a sentence or two and a link to the paper.

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Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
« Reply #335 on: December 24, 2020, 11:47:17 PM »
Did you like the part where laser beam(ether waves) propagates through ether waves while being affected by ether waves?

A sure proof that your only contact with a lab is when you mop up the floors.

Here is the BOHREN EFFECT.

Craig F. Bohren, Distinguished Professor Emeritus of Meteorology at Pennsylvania State University. He is an author of about 100 articles mostly on atmospheric optics, radiative transfer, and light scattering.

"How can a particle absorb more than the light incident on it?", Am. J. Phys., 51(4), Apr. 1983, p. 323-327

Under nonlinear conditions, a particle can absorb more energy than is in the light incident on it.

http://www.cheniere.org/references/bohren/index.htm

See also H. Paul and R. Fischer, (Comment on “How can a particle absorb more than the light incident on it?’},” Am. J. Phys., 51(4), Apr. 1983, p. 327 which replicated the Bohren experiment independently and validated its results (page 5 from the link).

"C.F. Bohren proved that a resonant particle collects and emits up to 18 times as much energy as is input to it by conventional accounting."

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Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
« Reply #336 on: December 24, 2020, 11:49:24 PM »
Where's the proof? And don't copy pasta the shit out of your answer. Just a sentence or two and a link to the paper.

Do you understand what the Aharonov-Bohm effect is all about?

The seminal Aharonov-Bohm paper:

https://journals.aps.org/pr/pdf/10.1103/PhysRev.115.485

"In 1959 two physicists, Yakir Aharonov and David Bohm, conducted a seminal "electrodynamics" laboratory experiment ("Significance of Electromagnetic Potentials in Quantum Theory," The Physical Review, Vol. 115, No. 3, pp. 485-491; August, 1959). Aharonov and Bohm, almost 100 years after Maxwell first predicted their existence, succeeded in actually measuring the "hidden potential" of free space, lurking in Maxwell's original scalar quaternion equations. To do so, they had to cool the experiment to a mere 9 degrees above Absolute Zero, thus creating a total shielding around a superconducting magnetic ring [for a slightly different version of this same experiment; the oscillation of electrical resistance in the ring is due to the changing electron "wave functions" -- triggered by the "hidden Maxwell scalar potential" created by the shielded magnet].

Once having successfully accomplished this non-trivial laboratory set up, they promptly observed an "impossible" phenomenon:

Totally screened, by all measurements, from the magnetic influence of the ring itself, a test beam of electrons fired by Aharonov and Bohm at the superconducting "donut," nonetheless, changed their electronic state ("wave functions") as they passed through the observably "field-free" region of the hole -- indicating they were sensing "something," even though it could NOT be the ring's magnetic field. Confirmed now by decades of other physicists' experiments as a true phenomenon, this "Aharonov-Bohm Effect" provides compelling proof of a deeper "spatial strain" -- a "scalar potential" -- underlying the existence of a so-called magnetic "force-field" itself.”"

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Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
« Reply #337 on: December 24, 2020, 11:51:27 PM »
Gravity.

What is gravity?

Let's find out with an exact formula.

Using Hermann Weyl's electrovacuum solutions, Professor S.D. Majumdar found the relationship between gravitational and electrostatic forces (Biefeld-Brown effect).

https://journals.aps.org/pr/abstract/10.1103/PhysRev.72.390




A capacitor can levitate or it can become heavier using a simple electrostatic field.






https://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/0507082.pdf

Weyl electrovacuum solutions and gauge invariance
Dr. B.V. Ivanov

https://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/0502047.pdf

On the gravitational field induced by static electromagnetic sources
Dr. B.V Ivanov

An object becomes heavier just by increasing the voltage in the electrostatic field.


This is the gravitational law attributed to Newton: F = GMm/r^2.

Newtonian mechanics is nullified at once: for the same mass of the Earth, for the same mass of the capacitor, for the same distance involved, the capacitor will lose weight (it will weigh less) or it will weigh more.


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Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
« Reply #338 on: December 25, 2020, 12:45:49 AM »
Where's the proof? And don't copy pasta the shit out of your answer. Just a sentence or two and a link to the paper.

Do you understand what the Aharonov-Bohm effect is all about?

The seminal Aharonov-Bohm paper:

https://journals.aps.org/pr/pdf/10.1103/PhysRev.115.485

"In 1959 two physicists, Yakir Aharonov and David Bohm, conducted a seminal "electrodynamics" laboratory experiment ("Significance of Electromagnetic Potentials in Quantum Theory," The Physical Review, Vol. 115, No. 3, pp. 485-491; August, 1959). Aharonov and Bohm, almost 100 years after Maxwell first predicted their existence, succeeded in actually measuring the "hidden potential" of free space, lurking in Maxwell's original scalar quaternion equations. To do so, they had to cool the experiment to a mere 9 degrees above Absolute Zero, thus creating a total shielding around a superconducting magnetic ring [for a slightly different version of this same experiment; the oscillation of electrical resistance in the ring is due to the changing electron "wave functions" -- triggered by the "hidden Maxwell scalar potential" created by the shielded magnet].

Once having successfully accomplished this non-trivial laboratory set up, they promptly observed an "impossible" phenomenon:

Totally screened, by all measurements, from the magnetic influence of the ring itself, a test beam of electrons fired by Aharonov and Bohm at the superconducting "donut," nonetheless, changed their electronic state ("wave functions") as they passed through the observably "field-free" region of the hole -- indicating they were sensing "something," even though it could NOT be the ring's magnetic field. Confirmed now by decades of other physicists' experiments as a true phenomenon, this "Aharonov-Bohm Effect" provides compelling proof of a deeper "spatial strain" -- a "scalar potential" -- underlying the existence of a so-called magnetic "force-field" itself.”"

Sorry, nothing in the seminal paper regarding ether. From the paper:

"The above discussion suggests that some further development of the theory is needed. Two possible directions are clear. First, we may try to formulate a nonlocal theory in which, for example, the electron could interact with a field that was a finite distance away. Then there would be no trouble in interpreting these results, but, as is well known, there are severe difficulties in the way of doing this. Secondly, we may retain the
present local theory and, instead, we may try to give a further new interpretation to the potentials.
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Theory, my friend, theory. Not absolutes as you seem to convey with every cherry-picked quote from every irrelevant paper you cite.
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Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
« Reply #339 on: December 25, 2020, 12:51:12 AM »
Tim: "Why can't I find a bible verse to support what you're saying?! If that was true, I'd have read about it! "
Yet another strawman.
Sandy is claiming that papers support him, when they don't.

Stop repeating the same nonsense.
Follow your own advice.
But that doesn't just mean to switch nonsense.
Own up to your mistakes rather than changing the topic to try to hide them.

Again, going to admit your parabola example was a complete failure which shows that you either have no idea what you are talking about or that you are willingly and knowingly lying to everyone?

Or will you just try to further derail the thread?

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Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
« Reply #340 on: December 25, 2020, 01:07:28 AM »
The Aharonov-Bohm effect is nonlocal. Nonlocality = quantum entanglement. You can't have quantum entanglement without ether wormholes.

Go ahead and find a single example of a traversable wormhole without the support of ether theory.

Aharonov-Bohm effect = ether theory.


A capacitor can levitate or it can become heavier using a simple electrostatic field.





https://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/0507082.pdf

Weyl electrovacuum solutions and gauge invariance
Dr. B.V. Ivanov

https://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/0502047.pdf

On the gravitational field induced by static electromagnetic sources
Dr. B.V Ivanov

An object becomes heavier just by increasing the voltage in the electrostatic field.


This is the gravitational law attributed to Newton: F = GMm/r^2.

Newtonian mechanics is nullified at once: for the same mass of the Earth, for the same mass of the capacitor, for the same distance involved, the capacitor will lose weight (it will weigh less) or it will weigh more.


Terrestrial gravity is totally an electrical phenomenon.


Again, going to admit your parabola example was a complete failure which shows that you either have no idea what you are talking about or that you are willingly and knowingly lying to everyone?

Here is the discussion:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=87375.msg2294882#msg2294882 (an example of the SHAPE of a particular curve, not the radius of curvature)

The RE responded:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=87375.msg2294891#msg2294891

So now we have the radius of curvature as well as a geometrical shape:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=87375.msg2294892#msg2294892

I never offered the parabola as an example for the radius of curvature, a fact evidenced by the response which was posted there (reply # 154). The RE already pointed out that the parabola is not a proper example when it comes to exemplifying the radius of curvature.


An object becomes heavier just by increasing the voltage in the electrostatic field.


This is the gravitational law attributed to Newton: F = GMm/r^2.

Newtonian mechanics is nullified at once: for the same mass of the Earth, for the same mass of the capacitor, for the same distance involved, the capacitor will lose weight (it will weigh less) or it will weigh more.


Terrestrial gravity is totally an electrical phenomenon.

« Last Edit: December 25, 2020, 01:28:37 AM by sandokhan »

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Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
« Reply #341 on: December 25, 2020, 01:16:13 AM »
Terrestrial gravity is totally an electrical phenomenon.

No ether mentioned. Another lengthy set of irrelevant links to irrelevant papers joined by your cherry picked misinterpretations. This is getting really boring. Over and over and over again, the same irrelevance. There's no ether in any of this.

How about citing a paper that espouses flat earth? That would be novel and at least interesting.
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Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
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Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
« Reply #343 on: December 25, 2020, 01:43:14 AM »



The "radius of curvature" according to you is just defined by the small sphere.
But you can see the size of the universe is much larger.

A total failure on your part.

Radius of curvature: from the center of the universe to its top and bottom, it cannot exceed 31 km. The shape can extend to the right and to the left, as long as it does not violate this basic requirement.

Either you are not all there or you are trolling this thread.




A sphere with a radius of 6378.164 km does not fulfill the requirement (radius of curvature is 31 km). However a flat earth with a radius of 6378.164 km, and with a radius of curvature of 31 km certainly does.





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Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
« Reply #344 on: December 25, 2020, 04:56:04 AM »
Stop repeating the same nonsense.

Yes, make up new nonsense every day like some people do.  :)

Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
« Reply #345 on: December 25, 2020, 07:53:15 AM »

The radius of curvature where the semicircles meet is undefined. It cannot be claimed to be any particular value.

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Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
« Reply #346 on: December 25, 2020, 09:12:03 AM »

The radius of curvature where the semicircles meet is undefined. It cannot be claimed to be any particular value.

You are invited to please take your bullshit elsewhere.

Imagine this: a simple capacitor, voltage is applied, and its weight can be either increased or decreased, pure electrogravity.

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Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
« Reply #347 on: December 25, 2020, 09:44:39 AM »
You are invited to please take your bullshit elsewhere.

Imagine this: a simple capacitor, voltage is applied, and its weight can be either increased or decreased, pure electrogravity.

I assume you have done experiments on capacitors yourself to measure this 'electrogravity'?  Where are your results?

I've got thousands of capacitors from tiny surface mount units to large mains power balancing units. I've used them for building electronic circuits and making tesla coils and everything in between. I've got capacitors that could blow your arm off.

Not once have I ever measured a capacitor gaining or losing weight when charged.


Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
« Reply #348 on: December 25, 2020, 11:51:32 AM »
Terrestrial gravity is totally an electrical phenomenon.
You sure do love jumping topics; which just shows how little faith you have in any of them.
First it was your failure with curvature of space, then your failure with sound waves, now jumping to your failure with gravity.

Why don't you just stick to the first topic, and wait until that is done, with you either justifying your nonsense or admitting it is wrong before moving on?

Now why don't you admit that the parabola you provided has the MINIMUM radius of curvature as the same as the circle shown, rather than the MAXIMUM, and thus fails the basic requirement?

A total failure on your part.
You mean on your part, due to you complete failure to understand what the radius of curvature is, and how it gives bounds to simple objects.

Radius of curvature: from the center of the universe to its top and bottom, it cannot exceed 31 km. The shape can extend to the right and to the left, as long as it does not violate this basic requirement.
So you really do have no idea what the radius of curvature is do you?

As I pointed out repeatedly, either the radius of curvature is 31 km and the entire universe needs to fit inside a sphere of radius 31 km, or there is a loophole which allows you to exceed 31 km, and the universe can be as large as you want.
You don't get to just magically confine only 1 dimension.
If the universe being larger from top to bottom is a problem, then in being larger from left to right is a problem.

Can you show where in my diagram the radius of curvature is greater than 31 km?

Either you are not all there or you are trolling this thread.
You sure do love projecting your own inadequacies onto others.

Just how am I not all there? Simply because I have yet again shown your claims to be pure nonsense and demonstrated that your argument is not one of flat vs round earth but of tiny vs big Earth?

A sphere with a radius of 6378.164 km does not fulfill the requirement (radius of curvature is 31 km). However a flat earth with a radius of 6378.164 km, and with a radius of curvature of 31 km certainly does.
And as repeatedly pointed out, neither does.
If it is going to be a simple shape then neither fit the requirement as they don't fit inside a sphere with a radius of 31 km.
If it is going to be a complex shape where you can join multiple spheres together then both do, as that allows any size you want.

Like I said, if you think I am wrong, point out where in the diagram you think the radius of curvature is greater than 31 km, with a justification for why.

Or you can admit you have no idea what you are talking about, or that you do and are knowingly lying to us all.


The radius of curvature where the semicircles meet is undefined. It cannot be claimed to be any particular value.

You are invited to please take your bullshit elsewhere.

Imagine this: a simple capacitor, voltage is applied, and its weight can be either increased or decreased, pure electrogravity.
And yet more projection. We are not the ones spouting BS here.
And look at this wonderful example of your BS.
When discussing the radius of curvature, when a significant issue si pointed out with your fantastic claims, you immediately jump topic as you don't know how to respond and have no interest in admitting you could be wrong.
« Last Edit: December 25, 2020, 11:53:08 AM by JackBlack »

Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
« Reply #349 on: December 25, 2020, 11:57:04 AM »

The radius of curvature where the semicircles meet is undefined. It cannot be claimed to be any particular value.

You are invited to please take your bullshit elsewhere.

Imagine this: a simple capacitor, voltage is applied, and its weight can be either increased or decreased, pure electrogravity.

Imagine this:  You are cornered by a basic math fact, so you try to change the subject. Maybe you could throw some Sagnac math at it. Oh wait, that won't work.

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Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
« Reply #350 on: December 25, 2020, 01:35:51 PM »
Did you like the part where laser beam(ether waves) propagates through ether waves while being affected by ether waves?

A sure proof that your only contact with a lab is when you mop up the floors.

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So is red light photons or ether waves?
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Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
« Reply #351 on: December 25, 2020, 01:56:20 PM »
Photons = bosons = bubbles of light

Laser signals = laevorotatory subquarks waves = antigravitons

All light, electricity, thermal waves pass through subquark strings.

GR is a subluminal theory. Very incomplete.

What you need is to deal with the singularities, where the speed of light is superluminal.

Superluminal physics is not subject to the laws of dextrorotatory subquarks (gravitation).


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Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
« Reply #352 on: December 25, 2020, 02:05:28 PM »
Photons = bosons = bubbles of light

Laser signals = laevorotatory subquarks waves = antigravitons

All light, electricity, thermal waves pass through subquark strings.

GR is a subluminal theory. Very incomplete.

What you need is to deal with the singularities, where the speed of light is superluminal.

Superluminal physics is not subject to the laws of dextrorotatory subquarks (gravitation).

Even a vegetarian would not want to touch that word salad.

Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
« Reply #353 on: December 25, 2020, 04:24:56 PM »
Photons = bosons = bubbles of light
Wow. I just keep on learning things I never knew!!  I can't believe I went through so much schooling and no one ever once mentioned light bubbles. Maybe I should ask for my money back.

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Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
« Reply #354 on: December 26, 2020, 11:41:57 AM »
Photons = bosons = bubbles of light

Laser signals = laevorotatory subquarks waves = antigravitonsphotons
I edited the above to fix it.

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All light, electricity, thermal waves pass through subquark strings.
No. Plus why do you think subquarks sit around while quarks have long formed hadrons?

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GR is a subluminal theory. Very incomplete.
Yes it's incomplete.

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What you need is to deal with the singularities, where the speed of light is superluminal.

Superluminal physics is not subject to the laws of dextrorotatory subquarks (gravitation).
No it doesn't need to deal with your anti science.
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Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
« Reply #355 on: December 26, 2020, 11:51:58 AM »
Photons =
=Nothing to do with curvature.

Again, let's stick to that. Once more, here is an example YOU provided:
This means if the universe's radius of curvature is 31km, it can NOT be larger than a circle with that radius.
That curve can have any shape as long as it obeys the main requirement: the radius of curvature has to be less than 31 km (for the entire curve).
Example.

The shape of that universe is a parabola. At point M, it has a radius of curvature OM.

You are clearly providing the parabola as an example of a shape which does not fit in a circle with a radius of curvature equal to the maximum radius of curvature.
But that is a complete failure, as instead of the circle being the maximum radius of curvature it is the minimum.
Instead of admitting you were wrong and that no simple shape can be larger than a sphere with a radius equal to the maximum radius of curvature of that shape, you just deflect.

The only way you can have a shape which is larger than a sphere with a radius equal to the maximum radius of curvature of the shape is to have the shape curve left and right, allowing what I would call a negative curvature, as it curves the wrong way.
But as soon as you allow that, you can make the universe as large as you want, as whatever you do to connect your small spheres can be done in all directions.

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Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
« Reply #356 on: December 26, 2020, 02:08:58 PM »
Photons = bosons = bubbles of light

Laser signals = laevorotatory subquarks waves = antigravitons

All light, electricity, thermal waves pass through subquark strings.

GR is a subluminal theory. Very incomplete.

What you need is to deal with the singularities, where the speed of light is superluminal.

Superluminal physics is not subject to the laws of dextrorotatory subquarks (gravitation).

Let’s remember that the following have never in the history of science ever been detected:

Gravitons Or anti gravitons
Subquarks

Let’s also remember that Superluminal physics or FTL anything is pure pie in the sky.

Let’s also remember that every physicist, you are so fond of quoting, would all agree the earth is a sphere.

While you love to make things up on a grand scale one thing, one paper, you will never be able to link to is a paper by a physicist or group that claims the earth is flat.

Does it never cause you any concern that none of the physicists you quote would agree with you on your central belief that the earth is flat. It rather makes all your other protestations on the subject null and void.

You for example take a paper by a group of physicists, distort the facts and bend them into a shape that you then use to prove some cock and bull theory when in reality none of the physicists you quote would agree with your distortions and none would agree the earth is flat.

Take Fermilab where you say the subquark was discovered. Their own website, as has been Pointed out before, states that no such discovery was ever made! ..... you just ignore reality and make stuff up.



Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
« Reply #357 on: January 08, 2021, 06:26:59 AM »
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Did you like the part where laser beam(ether waves) propagates through ether waves while being affected by ether waves?

Where did he say laser beam is "ether waves"? And if it is propagating throught something then it must be affected by it in some way.

Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
« Reply #358 on: January 08, 2021, 01:49:23 PM »
Where did he say laser beam is "ether waves"? And if it is propagating throught something then it must be affected by it in some way.
That would be laser beams being affected by ether, not by waves in either.

It is fairly well established, that other than simple intereference (e.g. 2 waves overlapping each other, with 2 crests resulting in a larger peak and a peak and a trough cancelling), waves don't interact.
You can shine 2 laser beams directly through one another. They don't affect each other.

Re: Scientific evidence that the Earth is flat
« Reply #359 on: January 28, 2021, 02:55:19 PM »
Where have I contradicted myself?

More often than not.

You miserable liar.


It whoud be nice if you can link one example