What would change your mind?

Logic and evidence shows you are completely and utterly wrong.

There isn't any logic or evidence from your model.
It is clear fantasy and backed up by fantasy names, like gravity and warped space time continuum and all the rest of the absolute utter gunk that if officially spouted for people to be goggle eyed about.

Dazzle them with brilliance and baffle them with bull crap. This is your globe model.

Quote from: Mikey T. on June 30, 2021, 09:51:02 AM

  Massive tilt, with no explanation of why as per your usual.

Another Jacky who pretends there's been no explanation.

There hasn't been any explanations from you..  It's all "nuh uhh",  no reasoning, no descriptions, just really childish strawman tactics. 
Still waiting for those explanations.  But you can't, you have nothing beyond the indoctrination.  Keep being so dishonest please, it's entertaining, it's clear examples of the FE indoctrination that we can point to.  You may just save more people from ruining their lives with the FE nonsense.  Hey you can still consider yourself a hero then.

There hasn't been any explanations from you..  It's all "nuh uhh",  no reasoning, no descriptions, just really childish strawman tactics. 

Then don't respond to me. It's simple.

Another Jacky who pretends there's been no explanation.

You are the one pretending here.

You are completely incapable of justifying this allege "massive tilt" of yours.
Instead you just continually deflect with whatever dishonest BS you can come up with.
You can't even provide a number for just what this "massive tilt" should be, because if you did, you would show an insignificant tilt of 0.26 degrees.

There isn't any logic or evidence from your model.

You not liking it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Again, you have been provided with it and just fled.
If it wasn't logic you would have been able to refute it.

Again, trivial questions repeatedly show you are wrong:
How far below the tube can an object at 1 mile distance be, in order to still be visible through the tube?
Can you see the base of a tree at 1 mile distance, if the base of the tree is 6 ft below the level of the tube?
Again, what magic prevents us from seeing the RE through a level tube?
Again, what should the tilt be (provide a number with units and math justifying it) for an object 30 km away?
How much of such an object should be hidden at a 30 km distance, if you are standing 2 m above the RE?
What is the level of uncertainty in your measurements of allegedly flat water in your sink, in terms of both angle and change in height?
What is in the region indicated in red? Ground or sky?

Quote from: JackBlack on June 30, 2021, 02:48:50 PM

Logic and evidence shows you are completely and utterly wrong.

There isn't any logic or evidence from your model.
It is clear fantasy and backed up by fantasy names, like gravity and warped space time continuum and all the rest of the absolute utter gunk that if officially spouted for people to be goggle eyed about.

Dazzle them with brilliance and baffle them with bull crap. This is your globe model.

Are the flat earth shackles that bind you, loosening at all? I mean, this thread is edging closer to 200 friggin pages. I'd like to think you have evolved somewhat over 187 pages of your flat earth propaganda.

Level with me. Are you Nathan Oakley or Nathan Thompson? You're a Nathan through and through.

Quote from: Mikey T. on June 30, 2021, 11:50:02 PM

There hasn't been any explanations from you..  It's all "nuh uhh",  no reasoning, no descriptions, just really childish strawman tactics. 

Then don't respond to me. It's simple.

If you are going to make public claims that I know are complete bullshit, I am going to ask for justification.  You never provide justification. 
Just provide explanations or stop making claims.  Otherwise, as long as it is entertaining to me, I will continue to respond. 

You are the one pretending here.

Pretending, what?

Are the flat earth shackles that bind you, loosening at all? I mean, this thread is edging closer to 200 friggin pages. I'd like to think you have evolved somewhat over 187 pages of your flat earth propaganda.

Level with me. Are you Nathan Oakley or Nathan Thompson? You're a Nathan through and through.

My mindset against a globe gets stronger and stronger by the minute.
Nothing you people put forward changes anything from my side.
I think you people make it worse, to be fair.


I think the global shackles are definitely loosening with you but I feel you're a tad weak in terms of letting it be known for fear of ridicule.
Just my opinion and I may be wrong....but...that's the impression I'm getting.


As for being a Nathan. I can be whatever you want me to be, in your mind.
Pick one and go with it. 

Quote from: JackBlack on July 01, 2021, 01:28:46 AM

You are the one pretending here.

Pretending, what?

That your baseless claims need no justification.

If you are going to make public claims that I know are complete bullshit, I am going to ask for justification.  You never provide justification. 
Just provide explanations or stop making claims.  Otherwise, as long as it is entertaining to me, I will continue to respond.

Feel free to do and ask what you want.

Quote from: Mikey T. on July 01, 2021, 05:18:18 AM

If you are going to make public claims that I know are complete bullshit, I am going to ask for justification.  You never provide justification. 
Just provide explanations or stop making claims.  Otherwise, as long as it is entertaining to me, I will continue to respond.

Feel free to do and ask what you want.

I have asked in many threads.  Many times over.  You just have no answers, aka full of bullshit. 

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 01, 2021, 05:35:31 AM

Quote from: Mikey T. on July 01, 2021, 05:18:18 AM

If you are going to make public claims that I know are complete bullshit, I am going to ask for justification.  You never provide justification. 
Just provide explanations or stop making claims.  Otherwise, as long as it is entertaining to me, I will continue to respond.

Feel free to do and ask what you want.

I have asked in many threads.  Many times over.  You just have no answers, aka full of bullshit.

Ok, then don't ask.

Ill ask

What value is the supposed tilt?

Quote from: Mikey T. on July 01, 2021, 05:37:22 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 01, 2021, 05:35:31 AM

Quote from: Mikey T. on July 01, 2021, 05:18:18 AM

If you are going to make public claims that I know are complete bullshit, I am going to ask for justification.  You never provide justification. 
Just provide explanations or stop making claims.  Otherwise, as long as it is entertaining to me, I will continue to respond.

Feel free to do and ask what you want.

I have asked in many threads.  Many times over.  You just have no answers, aka full of bullshit.

Ok, then don't ask.

I ask to highlight your dishonesty.  You play right into my intentions by continually refusing to support your claims.  Good job.

Ill ask

What value is the supposed tilt?

Seconded.

Quote from: JackBlack on July 01, 2021, 01:28:46 AM

You are the one pretending here.

Pretending, what?

So many things.
You are pretending that Earth being round will magically make it disappear from view through a level tube, regardless of FOV, even though a level tube can easily allow you to see the ground a few 10s of m in front of you, where the curvature is insignificant.
You are pretending that by elevating yourself off Earth, it will magically change the drop over 1 mile from 8 inches to 5 feet. Even though it is the exact same drop.
You are pretending that objects can only be hidden by tilting over.
You are pretending that the amount of the turbine hidden is massive, when in fact it is ~ 0.001% of Earth. A tiny amount.
You are pretending that the tilt required would be massive, when math and a too scale diagram shows you that is pure BS.
You are pretending that the evidence presented to you is fake.

And with all that, you are pretending your irrational hatred and irrational attack on the RE is backed up by reason and evidence, and pretending that the RE which you cannot refute has none.

Lots of pretending there.

My mindset against a globe gets stronger and stronger by the minute.

Only because you don't care about the truth and wilful reject reality.

If that belief of yours was actually justified you would have no problem answering the trivial questions which you continue to flee from, or admitting that some of your claims about the RE are in fact incorrect.

Again, care to answer the trivial questions which clearly show you are wrong (And no, that doesn't mean to change the question to what you want it to be so you can pretend you aren't wrong):
How far below the tube can an object at 1 mile distance be, in order to still be visible through the tube?
Can you see the base of a tree at 1 mile distance, if the base of the tree is 6 ft below the level of the tube?
Again, what magic prevents us from seeing the RE through a level tube?
Again, what should the tilt be (provide a number with units and math justifying it) for an object 30 km away?
How much of such an object should be hidden at a 30 km distance, if you are standing 2 m above the RE?
What is the level of uncertainty in your measurements of allegedly flat water in your sink, in terms of both angle and change in height?
What is in the region indicated in red? Ground or sky?

Quote from: Smoke Machine on July 01, 2021, 03:48:26 AM

Are the flat earth shackles that bind you, loosening at all? I mean, this thread is edging closer to 200 friggin pages. I'd like to think you have evolved somewhat over 187 pages of your flat earth propaganda.

Level with me. Are you Nathan Oakley or Nathan Thompson? You're a Nathan through and through.

My mindset against a globe gets stronger and stronger by the minute.
Nothing you people put forward changes anything from my side.
I think you people make it worse, to be fair.


I think the global shackles are definitely loosening with you but I feel you're a tad weak in terms of letting it be known for fear of ridicule.
Just my opinion and I may be wrong....but...that's the impression I'm getting.


As for being a Nathan. I can be whatever you want me to be, in your mind.
Pick one and go with it. 

That's very amusing! Ofcourse I'd expect nothing less from you!  The shape of the world can be whatever you want it to be in your mind.

Well, if you were Nathan Thompson, I'd expect some bible bashing from your side, of which there is none. Nathan Oakley on the other hand is British, like your favourite sayings. I don't think you're that silly old British fool Chris UK, in his adult diaper, with the swinging gate experiment.

Well, that would make your name, Chris. Chris UK is fairly inventive, though, and Chris UK would argue the different phases of the moon seen, depend upon where on earth you're looking at the moon - your field of view. No, so, I'll go with you being Nathan Oakley, wearing your lawn bowls hat. 

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 01, 2021, 05:25:30 AM

Quote from: JackBlack on July 01, 2021, 01:28:46 AM

You are the one pretending here.

Pretending, what?

So many things.

Such as?

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 01, 2021, 05:29:03 AM

Quote from: Smoke Machine on July 01, 2021, 03:48:26 AM

Are the flat earth shackles that bind you, loosening at all? I mean, this thread is edging closer to 200 friggin pages. I'd like to think you have evolved somewhat over 187 pages of your flat earth propaganda.

Level with me. Are you Nathan Oakley or Nathan Thompson? You're a Nathan through and through.

My mindset against a globe gets stronger and stronger by the minute.
Nothing you people put forward changes anything from my side.
I think you people make it worse, to be fair.


I think the global shackles are definitely loosening with you but I feel you're a tad weak in terms of letting it be known for fear of ridicule.
Just my opinion and I may be wrong....but...that's the impression I'm getting.


As for being a Nathan. I can be whatever you want me to be, in your mind.
Pick one and go with it. 

That's very amusing! Ofcourse I'd expect nothing less from you!  The shape of the world can be whatever you want it to be in your mind.

Well, if you were Nathan Thompson, I'd expect some bible bashing from your side, of which there is none. Nathan Oakley on the other hand is British, like your favourite sayings. I don't think you're that silly old British fool Chris UK, in his adult diaper, with the swinging gate experiment.

Well, that would make your name, Chris. Chris UK is fairly inventive, though, and Chris UK would argue the different phases of the moon seen, depend upon where on earth you're looking at the moon - your field of view. No, so, I'll go with you being Nathan Oakley, wearing your lawn bowls hat. 

You appear to be struggling badly.

Quote from: JackBlack on July 01, 2021, 02:59:33 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 01, 2021, 05:25:30 AM

Quote from: JackBlack on July 01, 2021, 01:28:46 AM

You are the one pretending here.

Pretending, what?

So many things.

Such as?

Why not book a flight on this:-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-57689855

When that takes off on July 11 there will be yet more proof that you can add to your conspiracy. Let’s all remember that’s all you actually have to keep you going.

Why not book a flight on this:-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-57689855

When that takes off on July 11 there will be yet more proof that you can add to your conspiracy. Let’s all remember that’s all you actually have to keep you going.

This is why you have no chance.

How so?

Quote from: Smoke Machine on July 01, 2021, 03:45:45 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 01, 2021, 05:29:03 AM

Quote from: Smoke Machine on July 01, 2021, 03:48:26 AM

Are the flat earth shackles that bind you, loosening at all? I mean, this thread is edging closer to 200 friggin pages. I'd like to think you have evolved somewhat over 187 pages of your flat earth propaganda.

Level with me. Are you Nathan Oakley or Nathan Thompson? You're a Nathan through and through.

My mindset against a globe gets stronger and stronger by the minute.
Nothing you people put forward changes anything from my side.
I think you people make it worse, to be fair.


I think the global shackles are definitely loosening with you but I feel you're a tad weak in terms of letting it be known for fear of ridicule.
Just my opinion and I may be wrong....but...that's the impression I'm getting.


As for being a Nathan. I can be whatever you want me to be, in your mind.
Pick one and go with it. 

That's very amusing! Ofcourse I'd expect nothing less from you!  The shape of the world can be whatever you want it to be in your mind.

Well, if you were Nathan Thompson, I'd expect some bible bashing from your side, of which there is none. Nathan Oakley on the other hand is British, like your favourite sayings. I don't think you're that silly old British fool Chris UK, in his adult diaper, with the swinging gate experiment.

Well, that would make your name, Chris. Chris UK is fairly inventive, though, and Chris UK would argue the different phases of the moon seen, depend upon where on earth you're looking at the moon - your field of view. No, so, I'll go with you being Nathan Oakley, wearing your lawn bowls hat. 

You appear to be struggling badly.

Struggling badly to put a smirk on your face, struggling badly to offend you, or struggling badly to put any effort into a post to you on this particular thread? Let's run with all three!

Give me the moon landing thread any day of the week over this shitty thread!

Struggling badly to put a smirk on your face, struggling badly to offend you, or struggling badly to put any effort into a post to you on this particular thread? Let's run with all three!

Give me the moon landing thread any day of the week over this shitty thread!

Still struggling.

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Answer the questions:
How far below the tube can an object at 1 mile distance be, in order to still be visible through the tube?
Can you see the base of a tree at 1 mile distance, if the base of the tree is 6 ft below the level of the tube?
Again, what magic prevents us from seeing the RE through a level tube?
Again, what should the tilt be (provide a number with units and math justifying it) for an object 30 km away?
How much of such an object should be hidden at a 30 km distance, if you are standing 2 m above the RE?
What is the level of uncertainty in your measurements of allegedly flat water in your sink, in terms of both angle and change in height?
What is in the region indicated in red? Ground or sky?

You appear to be struggling badly.

The only one struggling here is you.
Struggling so badly that you need to ignore basically everything said in a post, continually play dumb and continually avoid trivial questions.
It truly is pathetic.

Quote from: Timeisup on July 01, 2021, 11:44:14 PM

Why not book a flight on this:-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-57689855

When that takes off on July 11 there will be yet more proof that you can add to your conspiracy. Let’s all remember that’s all you actually have to keep you going.

This is why you have no chance.

Take the blinkers off for a moment. In a couple of days that plane, if all goes well will go to an altitude of 90Km, the edge of space, where it will reveal the spherical planet earth spinning on its journey through space.
Your only recourse is to invoke the conspiracy. To clarify it’s a conspiracy that involves multiple nations, scientists, engineers , astronomers etc etc.

You have no proof for your beliefs, all you have to run on is an idea that you, for some reason, are being lied to by millions of people.

Why would all those people be wanting to hide the truth?

You tell me!

Answer the questions:

All answered.
Try and be honest.

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 02, 2021, 01:14:48 AM

Quote from: Timeisup on July 01, 2021, 11:44:14 PM

Why not book a flight on this:-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-57689855

When that takes off on July 11 there will be yet more proof that you can add to your conspiracy. Let’s all remember that’s all you actually have to keep you going.

This is why you have no chance.

Take the blinkers off for a moment. In a couple of days that plane, if all goes well will go to an altitude of 90Km, the edge of space, where it will reveal the spherical planet earth spinning on its journey through space.
Your only recourse is to invoke the conspiracy. To clarify it’s a conspiracy that involves multiple nations, scientists, engineers , astronomers etc etc.

You have no proof for your beliefs, all you have to run on is an idea that you, for some reason, are being lied to by millions of people.

Why would all those people be wanting to hide the truth?

You tell me!

Take off your own blinkers.

All answered.

No, you have never answered them.
You have sometimes replaced the questions with different questions and then answered those other questions, but you haven't answered these.
You continually refuse to answer them and instead lie and claim you already have.

If you had actually answered them it would be trivial for you to provide the answers.
The only reason for you to continually claim to have answered them, while continually refusing to provide the answers, is if you haven't answered them and are lying to try to avoid answering them.

I would tell you to try and be honest, but we both know that will never happen.

Answer the questions:
How far below the tube can an object at 1 mile distance be, in order to still be visible through the tube?
Can you see the base of a tree at 1 mile distance, if the base of the tree is 6 ft below the level of the tube?
Again, what magic prevents us from seeing the RE through a level tube?
Again, what should the tilt be (provide a number with units and math justifying it) for an object 30 km away?
How much of such an object should be hidden at a 30 km distance, if you are standing 2 m above the RE?
What is the level of uncertainty in your measurements of allegedly flat water in your sink, in terms of both angle and change in height?
What is in the region indicated in red? Ground or sky?

I would tell you to try and be honest, but we both know that will never happen.

Then don't look for answers if that's your mindset.