Gotten what wrong?
According to you and others on this forum, nearly everything. The shape of the world dictates a number of directives regarding navigation, communication, and civil engineering (to name a few). Assuming that the world is not round, we would have problems popping up constantly if that were the case.
Really, tell me how?
They navigate using what's available. They have no need to navigate using a spinning globe mindset with a north or south pole.
Incorrect. Aircraft navigation is one of many activities that assume a round Earth.
It's been mentioned countless times here and still has not been responded to with any rational answer; Santiago to Sydney. That flight makes no sense if we assume the Earth is flat.
How do you know it makes no sense?
You've been told it makes the trip via a spinning globe. That's it. You assume it is a globe and not anything else, so in your eyes the trip can't be made.
You're just arguing from a belief system and an adherence to authority. Also massive appeals to it.
Also incorrect that basic land navigation using only a map and compass isn't based on a spinning round Earth:
https://www.uakron.edu/armyrotc/MS1/7.pdf
A quote from page 7:
Two problems complicate your easy use of a map and compass:
First, the surface of the earth is curved, while the surface of your map is flat. This creates
problems between what your map shows as north (grid north) and what really is north
(true north).
Second, the earth’s magnetic pole is not the same as the earth’s axis. This creates a
difference between what your compass shows as north (magnetic north) and what really
is north (true north).
These are fundamental concepts required to successfully use navigational tools at a basic level. It's totally understandable that a person, like yourself, never having been placed in a situation where this knowledge becomes critical to your survival earns anything more than a passing glance. However, there are thousands of people that apply this information daily because their life depends on it.
Most of us have used maps.
Most of us have placed our compasses onto maps to gain a direction given to us to follow.
You have one point to follow and everything else is based off it.
A compass points in one direction. Everything else requires setting up to cater for opposites to that direction.
That direction is called north and is set at that with a N pointer. A magnetic flow to the centre.
In your mind it goes to a north or south pole.
Care to provide a source for this?
Physically....nope. No more than you can.
The reality is, people follow compasses to land mass from directions set around a circle. Around a circle..Around a circle.
Land masses around a circle.
Again, care to provide a source or reference this? Perhaps one that explains it a bit better?
It is down to how you interpret it.
Your compass is showing you, what you believe to be, following a global system.
North will make you believe you're off to the north pole at the top of your globe.
Where is east and west from that point?
There aren't any points.
All you would have is an about turn with your compass to supposedly follow the opposite of North, which is the S on your compass.
Only then can you veer off to do, what?
To walk around in a circle.
The compass offers you land mass to landmass but it does not follow a global path.
I have no issue with genuine navigation. Understand that.
Genuine navigation is predicated on the shape of the world being an oblong spheroid.
I've never heard that one before.
And you call people for having an alternate to a globe.
Military is just a school with guns and loud voices for people who feel the need to do whatever those in power want them to do.
Did you serve? If you didn't, what would you know about it? We've butted heads over this in the past and you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Best to stay on point.
Yeah I spent some time and it is severe indoctrination. You follow orders unconditionally.
If you think you know different then tell me about it.
Don't get mixed up with all of real science and real scientists being lumped in with pseudoscientists.
I don't think you are qualified to make this statement with any real assertion of truth.
Qualified?
I have every right to question and disbelieve anything which cannot or will not be proved.
If I ask you if your name is ****** (male name) and you reply with, "no, my name is ******" (girls name) after giving me a mindset of you being male, I can question it and my belief would be, you're male, if you can't/will not prove you are anything other than that.
Does this mean I'm correct? No it doesn't...but it does mean I'm being truthful in how I'm trying to decipher.
I have no issue with reality. My issue is being told something is reality and zero genuine proof being provided to show it and being fed CGI and storylines hidden behind secrecy as supposed truth.
This is naked paranoia coming out of you. You've been provided ample proof and have made the deliberate effort to ignore it. The notion that there is some elaborate cabal trying to suppress the truth about the shape of the world, which would necessarily change how nearly everything in reality actually works, isn't just ridiculous, it's insane.
The thing is, ample proof does not stand up to reality for me.
I see far too much dodgy stuff and CGI.
If people are clued up then they'd look for it but to do that just once would open up a massive can of worms and no way in hell will those people offer up something like that as a query.
They'd rather make up an excuse as to why it looks CGI....etc.
Are you one of those?
This has been discussed in countless times here; a conspiracy lasting centuries, involving an unknown but significant number of people, all working to hide the truth about what shape the planet it for reasons.
God? Jesus?
Who started that off?
When asked to articulate even the purpose behind why this group would do something like this the responses are equally deranged; devil-worship, money (but never explaning how that works), power, control, the end of days, etc.
And yet you see it all in everyday life.
sceptimatic, this idea that outerspace is all CGI'd, the Apollo missions were faked, and that this is all because some grand conspiracy wants to fool us is classic psychosis.
To your mind being drilled into that set up...of course.
I mean, your world is mapped out for you and you basically unconditionally follow that blueprint.
Anyone going against that grain becomes unstable, nuts, psychotic....a Jekyll and Hyde character....and so on and so on and so on.
Too many people will follow the pied piper for no other reason than, why dare not to follow the masses.
There's being taught reality and there's being indoctrinated.
And you'd know the difference?
That's just it, nobody knows the difference until you actually find out snippets of certain teachings to be questionable and/or untrue.
Most people have no need/desire/mindset to question what they deem as, authority, so they go with the flow.
It's much easier to do. Even I know that.
Being taught reality can be found to be that when critically analysed. Indoctrination is being expected to just believe what you're told, uncritically.
Then go take an astronomy class and learn how to do the math and recreate the experiments used to validate it for yourself.
What would I be learning?
Mapping lights in the dark skies?
Being told some lights are trillions upon trillions of miles away and are so big they make our sun look like a grain of sand...and blah blah blah...but we can see the light, not as it is but as it was millions of years ago and blah blah blah....and so on.
People just go into amazed reactions. Wow, to think we're seeing that star as it was millions of years ago and it might not exist now.
It honestly beggars believe how people believe this utter garbage.
In all of the discussions you've been involved with here, I've never once seen you respond with your own experiments.
I've given plenty out for people to do and its usually met with silence.
If you claim that your conclusions are arrived at through critical analysis, then you'd agree that the best way to test any theory is to try and disprove it.
I have done and so have meny.
Simple water level alone is enough to kill off your global model.
Instead all I see you do is come up with weird shit that collapses under the weight of its own absurdity.
No, you don't. You believe it collapses because you along with others, forum back patting your way through it all by coming up with the same answers from your books and internet ideals.
Case in point, the Gleason map is false and can be proven false because of the Southern Cross. That's a wrap and there's nothing that can be done to explain that away. Sure, you can play word games and claim to not understand the problem, put you're being an ostrich at that point ignoring the issue rather than doing anything approximating critical analysis.
What are you telling me about the gleason map for?
If you assert that believing the Earth is round is a form of indoctrination, then what is FE in comparison?
A lot of alternate hypotheses/theories.
I actually agree that RE, at the start, is a form of indoctrination the same as believing the sun will rise tomorrow.
It's not a case of, at the start. If a person believes it all until they get old or die then it's at the start, in the middle and at the end with indoctrination of it.
You're massively included in this up to whatever age you are right now.
It's commonly accepted as being true, without critical analysis, because it's reliable in its capacity to deliver results based on that assumption.
Of course it's commonly accepted as being true.
That's what schooling is. You're tested on your ability to take in what's placed into your mind and you have to regurgitate it to the best of your ability in order to get a certificate, etc.
It's not all bad and life is what it is. We are encouraged to be a herd and not stray from the areas we are indoctrinated within..
Yes, I agree that perhaps more effort should be done at the primary and secondary levels of education to teach kids to not blindly accept something as obvious as what shape the planet is. Recreating Eratosthenes' experiment would be a good starting point for kids and probably for you too.
Recreating Eratosthenes so called experiment is not going to prove a spinning globe.
Showing reality would do, instead of showing CGI satellites and CGI rockets in space...or models.
If the technology is as good as is made out...show us our reality. Why the need to rely on so called ancient historical figures?
A world hasn't got anything wrong.
The people in it that sell pseudoscience as science, are the problem...not real scientists.
For reasons I've previously explained, and you've brought up, the majority of people on Earth are wrong, according to you.
I believe those who think Earth is a spinning globe are only wrong about their reality. In their minds they are right. In a quiz they'd get marked correct.
If they had to explain it to a group of likeminded people they would be applauded.
And so on.
If I don't believe Earth is a globe then I'm not going to say people who do are correct in their thinking, am I?
Think about it.
Pilots, astronomers, philosophers, doctors, nurses, ship captains and navigators, physicists, chemists, assayers, engineers, nearly everyone in the military, mathematicians, philosophers, and anyone that believes the Earth is round "are the problem."
A problem for what?
Not only are they wrong, but those disciplines have been wrong for centuries. Countless experiments, voyages, and trials are all, according to you, based on bad foundations.
Anything that is and has been passed off as us living on a spinning globe, is wrong, by whatever way the stories were sold and told. In my honest opinion.
That depends on what the truth is and it also depends on who wants to argue and criticise if it costs them their job, social standing and even fates a bit worse than that....maybe.
So fear is what keeps this all in check?
With those who likely know the reality....yes, I'd say so.
This is what keeps the global conspiracy moving forward, for centuries, with it never once being challenged?
It is challenged but those challenging it are cast off as nuts, like I said.
Who knows how deeper down this is challenged and the outcome of those challenging.
And this doesn't sound the least bit paranoid to you?
Not at all.
It sounds perfectly sensible to be questioning this stuff, especially when answer to questions are met with stories and CGI, plus ridicule.....and so on.