What would change your mind?

Quote from: Themightykabool on May 22, 2021, 03:55:11 AM

Frick this was a little tricky to find.
Wasn t the one i was looking for but still fits
And woweee   we have a "horizon" example of how the hill dips down, we see a distinct "line" and cease to see the road but instead see the trees at the distance.
Amazing.

Quote from: JJA on February 09, 2021, 04:20:18 PM

Quote from: Smoke Machine on February 09, 2021, 03:21:53 AM

Don't I? 






See those cars in the final photo, looking through the level tube? That red car is way down the hill. That area of grass in the same photo in front of the red car, is waaay down the hill. You can see from the level on the side of the tripod, the tube was level. There's the blue line, folks.

Looks like seeing the ground from a level tube to me.  Nice pictures.

But... why would anyone be surprised? 

Thanks for making my point.

My goodnesslets recap your points:

Your point was that a horizon doesnt exist and is instead a light on dark crushing effect
 - the hills edge proves you wrong


Your point was that if (IF) you were standing on a 2,550km tower (taking your circle to scale) looking straight level you would see sky at the horizon and ground where it dips around.
 - yes as per the hills horizon.

Your point was that if (IF) the earth was a ball and you looked level you couldnt see the ground in the field of view through a tube if thw earth was a ball
 - the ground is clearly seen and the field of view is clearly roughly 40ft around and 100ft distance. - side and up-down.  So you are wrong again because a person at ground level will certainly be able to see the ground and your tub is meaningkess expereiment and evemore meaniliness is the tu-tube with crosshairs and vertical plumb (that makes me laugh everytimr).


Keep failing.





 

 

Quote from: JackBlack on May 23, 2021, 04:08:26 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 23, 2021, 03:25:16 AM

I don't think you have ever, never mind yet again.

And there you go twisting things yet again, yet again blatantly misrepresenting reality to pretend to have a case.

No. I'm representing reality to show you are misrepresenting reality.

By all means
Represent the circle to scale with some triangles to show us the massive tilt, the horizon, and this tiled wall all show theyvdont work on a ball earth.

Please feel free to repremnt the true values we are misrepresenting.

Put your calculator where your keyboard is.

Let me make this clear.

All I need is a google Earth or something similar that will show a real  picture of present time.
So, for instance, if I want to zoom in  on and area where I know there's something there in real time, I will see it.

If satellites are real and in space and covering Earth like we're told, then this should be easy.

I could go to a certain place and put something there then get the required up to date goole images or whatever and zoom in to see it.

Is there anything that can do it and if so, show me and I'll go and try it out.

If it works, I'll never question anything of space and of a spinning globe.

I can't be any fairer than that.

Over to you.

Not necessarily "real time", I don't know how one would do that unless you owned a satellite. But historically, yes, very easy.

Go into Google Earth. And search on a location. I picked Dubai because they have had some amazing development/changes over the past few decades. One point of interest was the man-made island that looks like a palm tree, construction in earnest starting in 2002. A pretty massive endeavor.

In Google Earth, once you pull up a location, click on the "Show historical imagery" button up in the tool bar, 6th from the left.

A timeline slider appears (upper left). I slid it over to 12/2001. Notice that I'm zoomed out to approximately 66 miles in altitude, lower righthand corner (350k feet). See the red box, no palm tree island:



Then I slid the slider over to 12/2003. From the same altitude, 350,000 feet. Notice how the palm tree island is now there:



Remember, the altitude of the image is 350,000 feet.

So yes, it "works". I guess now you'll have to live up to what you wrote: "If it works, I'll never question anything of space and of a spinning globe."

Even easier.
Sceppy go google your own address and see if yoy recognize your own backyard.



However
Abstractly it can be conspiratorally argued these qere airplabe photos.
So bad argument path.

Stick to circles.
You cant refute geometry.

However
Abstractly it can be conspiratorally argued these qere airplabe photos.
So bad argument path.

Airplane photos at 350,000 feet?

Conspiratorially, you'd then have to say Google (Yahoo, Apple, Mapquest, Bing...etc) is faking the altitude...for reasons.

He believes nasa is faking for "reasons".

Quote from: Smoke Machine on May 22, 2021, 03:50:29 PM

So, now I know what will change your mind, sceptimatic! Live satellite images of earth at any point you choose and be able to hone in on actual reality of the time.

So, this is what has to be proven to change your mind:
1. The images are live
2. The images are from satellites in orbit
3. The images are of earth
4. The images must show reality in real time.
5. Bonus points if images show earth curvature.

A suggestion:

The ISS:
1. Broadcasts continuous live footage
2. Is a satellite of sorts, purportedly orbiting earth
3. Live stream images could be married up to landmarks where you are.
4. A telescope could be used to magnify the image of the ISS to make a positive identification.
5. Would need to upgrade mobile phone and download the ISS tracker app, skyview app, and live earth map which has the NASA live feed from the ISS. All apps are free.

Is this worth a try, sceptimatic?

Otherwise it will take me a while to identify a geostatic satellite with viewing capability of earth capable of meeting your needs. Ten or twenty years from now would be perfect, but I dont think either you or I plan to still be on this board then.

Now, what would change my mind you ask.

Let me make this clear.

All I need is a google Earth or something similar that will show a real  picture of present time.
So, for instance, if I want to zoom in  on and area where I know there's something there in real time, I will see it.

If satellites are real and in space and covering Earth like we're told, then this should be easy.

I could go to a certain place and put something there then get the required up to date goole images or whatever and zoom in to see it.


Is there anything that can do it and if so, show me and I'll go and try it out.


If it works, I'll never question anything of space and of a spinning globe.

I can't be any fairer than that.

Over to you.

Sceptimatic, it's not as easy as you make out it should be.

Let's put a few things into perspective.

The International Space Station orbits the earth at a height of about 400 kilometers, every 90 minutes, at a speed of 28,000 km/h.

The majority of satellites that orbit the earth do so at a height between 160 and 2,000 kilometers in lower Earth orbit.

Satellites in geostationary orbit, do so at a height of about 36,000 kilometers from earth.

I've read that military satellites can see objects from space smaller than half a car, but there are some non-military satellites that can see objects to the size of half a car on earth, from space. Otherwise, the military use drones and aircraft.

I'm not in the military and don't have military clearance.

My suggestion with the ISS is the best I have at present, but I'm on nightshift and ain't firing on all cylinders, so just bear with me.

I'll see what the smallest item that can be detected on earth from the ISS is, and what powered telescope you need to get a clear image of the ISS where you can identify features. So, it may have to be a daytime passover. I've seen the ISS at night with my naked eyes, but that doesn't really help.

Plus, you're asking to see proof the image from a satellite from something on the ground in real time, but you are going to want proof the image isn't just from a drone or aircraft and that the satellite or ISS in question is really where it is purported to be.

What would change my mind I hear you ask? One aerial photo showing two continents in the one shot, on a plane, which the global model says are on opposite sides of the globe, so thus, should never ever possibly be photographed together in the one photo.

If you don't know how they work then go away and find out.
I have.

OK so now you know how equatorial mounts work then. That means you know that they work by being aligned with one of two points in the sky which are 180 degrees apart representing the two (N and S) celestial poles. The stars are seen to rotate counterclockise around the NCP and clockwise around the SCP. It doesn't matter what the stars look like for this and yes I know they are just points of light in the sky.  It is their movement that we are concerned with right now and that's all. They could look like little coloured flashing unicorns if you'd prefer that.  It makes no difference.

You will also have figured out that when used at either the poles or at the equator they work exactly the same way as an alt-azimuth mount does. Anywhere away from the poles or the equator the mount has to be tilted to match the observers latitude. In the north the polar axis of the mount is aimed towards the north, in the south it is aimed towards the south.  How can the stars be seen to rotate around a point in the sky in the south according to your model?

If you could draw a straight line connecting the NCP and the SCP you would find that it produced a natural extension of the Earths polar axis. Yes I know I can't 'see' the polar axis of the Earth.  But simple observation of the sky tells me it has one. It's called deduction through observation. Not just from one location on Earth but many locations. The polar axis of my mount in my back garden lies directly and precisely parallel with this line which is why the mount tracks the sky through just one direction of movement (RA).

All of the above evidences that we live on a globe. Please explain how this could all work in your visualised model of the shape of the Earth. I have tried very hard to visualise it myself.  Really I have but I simply cannot. Where would you see the SCP and how could you make the mount aligned with the sky regardless of your location on Earth? Especially for any location S of the equator. I look forward to your explanation with keen anticipation.

Sure you could say it is the sky rotating around a static Earth but you know as well as I do that there are many experiments which have been done which show us that the Earth is rotating.  Some of those astronomers (including me) can do for ourselves through careful observations and measurements but I wouldn't expect you to know about or understand any of those since they require specialist knowledge which I have (gained through experience) but obviously you don't.

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 23, 2021, 02:48:53 AM

Let me make this clear.

All I need is a google Earth or something similar that will show a real  picture of present time.
So, for instance, if I want to zoom in  on and area where I know there's something there in real time, I will see it.

If satellites are real and in space and covering Earth like we're told, then this should be easy.

I could go to a certain place and put something there then get the required up to date goole images or whatever and zoom in to see it.

Is there anything that can do it and if so, show me and I'll go and try it out.

If it works, I'll never question anything of space and of a spinning globe.

I can't be any fairer than that.

Over to you.

Not necessarily "real time", I don't know how one would do that unless you owned a satellite. But historically, yes, very easy.

Go into Google Earth. And search on a location. I picked Dubai because they have had some amazing development/changes over the past few decades. One point of interest was the man-made island that looks like a palm tree, construction in earnest starting in 2002. A pretty massive endeavor.

In Google Earth, once you pull up a location, click on the "Show historical imagery" button up in the tool bar, 6th from the left.

A timeline slider appears (upper left). I slid it over to 12/2001. Notice that I'm zoomed out to approximately 66 miles in altitude, lower righthand corner (350k feet). See the red box, no palm tree island:



Then I slid the slider over to 12/2003. From the same altitude, 350,000 feet. Notice how the palm tree island is now there:



Remember, the altitude of the image is 350,000 feet.

So yes, it "works". I guess now you'll have to live up to what you wrote: "If it works, I'll never question anything of space and of a spinning globe."

Why you would even bother doing this is totally beyond me.
You clearly saw what I asked for so why bother with this?

Even easier.
Sceppy go google your own address and see if yoy recognize your own backyard.



However
Abstractly it can be conspiratorally argued these qere airplabe photos.
So bad argument path.

Stick to circles.
You cant refute geometry.

Did you not pay attention like stash did not?

Read what I said, again and absorb it, then come back to me.

Quote from: Themightykabool on May 23, 2021, 07:45:52 AM

However
Abstractly it can be conspiratorally argued these qere airplabe photos.
So bad argument path.

Airplane photos at 350,000 feet?

Conspiratorially, you'd then have to say Google (Yahoo, Apple, Mapquest, Bing...etc) is faking the altitude...for reasons.

For reasons of keeping alive a fantasy spinning global model.

Sceptimatic, it's not as easy as you make out it should be.

Let's put a few things into perspective.

The International Space Station orbits the earth at a height of about 400 kilometers, every 90 minutes, at a speed of 28,000 km/h.

So you've been led to believe.

The majority of satellites that orbit the earth do so at a height between 160 and 2,000 kilometers in lower Earth orbit.

Again, so you've been led to believe.

Satellites in geostationary orbit, do so at a height of about 36,000 kilometers from earth.

Once again, so you've been led to believe.

I've read that military satellites can see objects from space smaller than half a car, but there are some non-military satellites that can see objects to the size of half a car on earth, from space. Otherwise, the military use drones and aircraft.

And once again, so you've been led to believe.

I'm not in the military and don't have military clearance.

I'm not asking for military clearance. Just a simple real time picture of something on the ground from so called space.

 

My suggestion with the ISS is the best I have at present, but I'm on nightshift and ain't firing on all cylinders, so just bear with me.

I'll see what the smallest item that can be detected on earth from the ISS is, and what powered telescope you need to get a clear image of the ISS where you can identify features.
 So, it may have to be a daytime passover. I've seen the ISS at night with my naked eyes, but that doesn't really help.

Forget the so called ISS.
The so called space is apparently awash with satellites that consistently throw out pictures of Earth.
I simply want to see real time zoom in to something  on the ground, not something from yesterday or last week or last month or last year.

Plus, you're asking to see proof the image from a satellite from something on the ground in real time, but you are going to want proof the image isn't just from a drone or aircraft and that the satellite or ISS in question is really where it is purported to be.

No, I won't.
If you can put me onto something that can give me a real time zoom from a globe view  and then a zoom in to a location I can check in real time, I'd be happy with that and would never question the globe, again.

What would change my mind I hear you ask? One aerial photo showing two continents in the one shot, on a plane, which the global model says are on opposite sides of the globe, so thus, should never ever possibly be photographed together in the one photo.

Can you see north America from south America?

Quote from: Stash on May 23, 2021, 08:05:08 AM

Quote from: Themightykabool on May 23, 2021, 07:45:52 AM

However
Abstractly it can be conspiratorally argued these qere airplabe photos.
So bad argument path.

Airplane photos at 350,000 feet?

Conspiratorially, you'd then have to say Google (Yahoo, Apple, Mapquest, Bing...etc) is faking the altitude...for reasons.

For reasons of keeping alive a fantasy spinning global model.

So it's a conspiracy perpetuated by all of those companies? For what purpose? What interest would all of those companies have in perpetuating the "fantasy" if all of their data is actually correct in relationship to reality? There is no flat earth map. Unless you have one I'm not aware of. If so, show us what it is.

As for real time, there are some sources out there. For example, NOAA has a real-time weather satellite views. Using NOAA’s JPSS polar-orbiting satellites, here's what it looked like over May 15 to 16 showing the calving of iceberg A-76 (largest in the world) from the Ronne Ice Shelf (For reference, A-76 is slightly smaller than the state of Delaware, 41 times the size of Paris, and over 70 times larger than Manhattan Island):

So it's a conspiracy perpetuated by all of those companies? For what purpose? What interest would all of those companies have in perpetuating the "fantasy" if all of their data is actually correct in relationship to reality?

What companies?

There is no flat earth map. Unless you have one I'm not aware of. If so, show us what it is.

If you see a map that works and you know it to work, it's a real map of the terrain.
Hint: It's not a global map.

As for real time, there are some sources out there. For example, NOAA has a real-time weather satellite views.

Or real time weather balloon or real time plane footage.
You have no clue if they're space satellites.

Using NOAA’s JPSS polar-orbiting satellites, here's what it looked like over May 15 to 16 showing the calving of iceberg A-76 (largest in the world) from the Ronne Ice Shelf (For reference, A-76 is slightly smaller than the state of Delaware, 41 times the size of Paris, and over 70 times larger than Manhattan Island):

Is that image a CGI image?
It doesn't look real to me.

I take it your lack of response means you have realised your claims about the tiles are pure garbage, and you wouldn't be able to lay them accurately enough?
So now you will just pretend that part of the conversation never happened, like you continue to pretend simple questions don't exist?
How far below the tube can an object at 1 mile distance be, in order to still be visible through the tube?
Can you see the base of a tree at 1 mile distance, if the base of the tree is 6 ft below the level of the tube?
Again, what magic prevents us from seeing the RE through a level tube?
Again, what should the tilt be (provide a number with units and math justifying it) for an object 30 km away?
How much of such an object should be hidden at a 30 km distance, if you are standing 2 m above the RE?

For reasons of keeping alive a fantasy spinning global model.

That is just restating what you claim they are doing. It isn't providing a reason.
What point is there for them to do that?

If you can put me onto something that can give me a real time zoom from a globe view  and then a zoom in to a location I can check in real time, I'd be happy with that and would never question the globe, again.

That requires you to have control over the satellite.
If you want that, you need to buy your own satellite.

Quote from: Smoke Machine

What would change my mind I hear you ask? One aerial photo showing two continents in the one shot, on a plane, which the global model says are on opposite sides of the globe, so thus, should never ever possibly be photographed together in the one photo.

Can you see north America from south America?

You would expect to be able to do so on the globe.

If you see a map that works and you know it to work, it's a real map of the terrain.

They are RE maps.
You were asked for FE maps.
None exist.

Quote from: Stash on May 23, 2021, 11:04:29 PM

So it's a conspiracy perpetuated by all of those companies? For what purpose? What interest would all of those companies have in perpetuating the "fantasy" if all of their data is actually correct in relationship to reality?

What companies?

The ones I already listed.

Quote from: Stash

There is no flat earth map. Unless you have one I'm not aware of. If so, show us what it is.

If you see a map that works and you know it to work, it's a real map of the terrain.
Hint: It's not a global map.

Hint: You've already been shown many times with evidence that all of these maps/charts, etc., are based on a globe earth and they are accurate. So no, there is no flat earth map.

Quote from: Stash

As for real time, there are some sources out there. For example, NOAA has a real-time weather satellite views.

Or real time weather balloon or real time plane footage.
You have no clue if they're space satellites.

I do have a clue - They can't be weather balloons or planes - That's why I put the size reference in for the A-76 berg that just was created last week. It's 1600 square miles. That's just for the berg itself, let alone the area seen around it. You can't get a view of something in an image that is 70 times the size of manhattan, plus the area around it, from the max height of a balloon or plane. You have to be much, much, much higher than any balloon or plane could ever reach. So no, not a balloon and not a plane.

Edit: Here's a NOAA satellite image of the area A-76 came into being. Taken in January.



As well, it's said that A-76 is "slightly smaller than the state of Delaware". In Google Earth, if I zoom out to make Delaware the size of the A-76 berg in the NOAA image, the altitude of the shot would have to be from at least approx. 290 miles high. No plane, no balloon.

Quote from: Stash

Using NOAA’s JPSS polar-orbiting satellites, here's what it looked like over May 15 to 16 showing the calving of iceberg A-76 (largest in the world) from the Ronne Ice Shelf (For reference, A-76 is slightly smaller than the state of Delaware, 41 times the size of Paris, and over 70 times larger than Manhattan Island):

Is that image a CGI image?
It doesn't look real to me.

No, it's an image. No CGI other than making it a gif. And they have different filters that tackle different spectrums, e.g., regular, infrared, high-vapor content (for clouds and such), etc. Same as putting a polarizing or ND filter on the lens of your DSLR. But it's not CGI'd. What about it doesn't look real to you. What should "real" look like?

You were asked for FE maps.
None exist.

They do exist. You look at them every day.

No, it's an image. No CGI other than making it a gif. And they have different filters that tackle different spectrums, e.g., regular, infrared, high-vapor content (for clouds and such), etc. Same as putting a polarizing or ND filter on the lens of your DSLR. But it's not CGI'd. What about it doesn't look real to you. What should "real" look like?

Why do I need to see spectrums?
Just show me a real time image.

I try to be clear and I'll do so with you.

Thousands of so called satellites in so called space.
Some satellites supposedly home in on half the size of a car.
I've heard that some can actually read a newspaper on the ground.


Sooooooo, therefore you must be able to bring up something from your globe that I can home in on to see something in real time. Real time meaning , now.

I don't want to see CGI.
I don't want to see clouds.
I don't want to see last weeks pictures or even yesterday's.


If you're sure about your globe and the technology of it, then be so kind as to showing me real time stuff or let me go to a global Earth site where I can zoom in on something in real time. Something which I can verify.


That's all I'm asking.

All I want from you is whether there is such a thing and how can I use it.
Or accept there isn't one and you are reliant on CGI and pictures that are mostly months old.

Quote from: JackBlack on May 23, 2021, 11:26:54 PM

You were asked for FE maps.
None exist.

They do exist. You look at them every day.

I should clarify, none that actually work.
You just rejecting reality will not change it, just like you continually ignoring trivial questions wont magically mean your blatant lies about the RE are true.
If you want to claim there is a FE map that works, prove it. Because so far all the ones I have seen are based upon a RE, or only work for a small portion of Earth.

How far below the tube can an object at 1 mile distance be, in order to still be visible through the tube?
Can you see the base of a tree at 1 mile distance, if the base of the tree is 6 ft below the level of the tube?
Again, what magic prevents us from seeing the RE through a level tube?
Again, what should the tilt be (provide a number with units and math justifying it) for an object 30 km away?
How much of such an object should be hidden at a 30 km distance, if you are standing 2 m above the RE?

Sooooooo, therefore you must be able to bring up something from your globe that I can home in on to see something in real time.

Pure BS.
In order to do that you need control of a satellite.
No one is just going to give you control.

If you want that, you need to buy a satellite.
Don't expect us to do that for you.

If you want close to real time and don't demand ridiculous ability to control the satellite and zoom in, then there are plenty like Himawari 8 https://himawari8.nict.go.jp/

The most recently accessible image was taken at 18:40, on the 24th of May 2021. Sounds quite recent.

Quote from: Stash on May 23, 2021, 11:42:20 PM

No, it's an image. No CGI other than making it a gif. And they have different filters that tackle different spectrums, e.g., regular, infrared, high-vapor content (for clouds and such), etc. Same as putting a polarizing or ND filter on the lens of your DSLR. But it's not CGI'd. What about it doesn't look real to you. What should "real" look like?

Why do I need to see spectrums?
Just show me a real time image.

Jesus, how narcissistic can you get? It's from NOAA, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. The "agency that holds key leadership roles in shaping international ocean, fisheries, climate, space and weather policies. NOAA’s many assets — including research programs, vessels, satellites, science centers, laboratories and a vast pool of distinguished scientists and experts — are essential, internationally recognized resources."

They are not some monkey that produces images of the earth for your amusement, wants, and desires. They have a much more important global higher calling than your need for some kind of image. Your ego is off the rails, thinking you can dismiss all of physics, global navigation of goods and humans, cosmology and pretty much every other science out there. All on your own with notions about holographic laser light shows emanating from a north pole that you can't find under a breathing dome that no one has any evidence for. Egotistical crackpot lunacy.

I try to be clear and I'll do so with you.

Thousands of so called satellites in so called space.
Some satellites supposedly home in on half the size of a car.
I've heard that some can actually read a newspaper on the ground.

Sooooooo, therefore you must be able to bring up something from your globe that I can home in on to see something in real time. Real time meaning , now.

I don't want to see CGI.
I don't want to see clouds.
I don't want to see last weeks pictures or even yesterday's.

If you're sure about your globe and the technology of it, then be so kind as to showing me real time stuff or let me go to a global Earth site where I can zoom in on something in real time. Something which I can verify.

That's all I'm asking.

All I want from you is whether there is such a thing and how can I use it.
Or accept there isn't one and you are reliant on CGI and pictures that are mostly months old.

I'll try and be clear with you. You've already been provided plenty of evidence regarding satellite imagery, maps/charts and how they are globe based regardless of whether that sits well with you or not, or fits into your delusions of grandeur. Any rational person who may stumble upon the evidence already presented would say, "give me a hit of whatever that sceptimatic is smokin', because it must be some righteous herb..."

All you ever do is claim conspiracy, CGI, it's fake because I said so...on and on, never any evidence, just you stomping away.

Why you need "real-time" satellite imagery is beyond me. I gave you week old (not months) satellite imagery of the iceberg event that actually occurred, showing it occurring. I gave you satellite imagery showing a massive engineering marvel of a man-made island chain that didn't exist a couple of years prior.

The closest you can probably get is 24 hours and it will cost you. These guys can handle your satellite imagery desires for you. You just need to pick something that is going to change from one day to the next - Maybe go to a park near you and lay down a massive "HELP" sign, request two satellite images of the area over the span of the 24 hour change from no sign to the sign being there and pay them for it:

https://about.soar.earth/skymap50.html

Check out the FAQs for why you can't get "real-time" and how much it'll cost you for your near real-time 24 hour experiment. These guys too:

https://eos.com/products/landviewer/

It'll cost you though.

So there you have it. You could literally answer the question for yourself if you just have the cash to do it. Sign not there one day, the next day it's there and start from 100's of miles high and zoom right down to your "HELP".  While you're at it, why not get a satellite image of your carbonic crystalline planetarium laser pointer at the north pole. It would be cool to see that too.

Stash is right..  wouldn't everyone like access to live, real-time images from satellites. Unfortunately no such live footage is available to the public for obvious reasons of security and personal privacy laws. You can get free access to live, webcam footage from around the world (www.skylinewebcams.com for example) but that doesn't provide any proof or evidence that the Earth is a globe in itself.

However Scepti won't see it like that. Instead he will just maintain his usual claims that live, real-time satellite footage is not available because it doesn't exist. That in his mind will confirm his belief that satellites don't exist. Fair enough, whatever.

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 24, 2021, 12:27:28 AM

Quote from: JackBlack on May 23, 2021, 11:26:54 PM

You were asked for FE maps.
None exist.

They do exist. You look at them every day.

I should clarify, none that actually work.

They must do, you use them and so does a lot of people, including myself.

I'll try and be clear with you. You've already been provided plenty of evidence regarding satellite imagery, maps/charts and how they are globe based regardless of whether that sits well with you or not, or fits into your delusions of grandeur.

No, I haven't. I've been presented with CG and stories of a globe and people like you backing them up as your reality and you expecting me to accept that as my reality.
Not on your Nelly.

Any rational person who may stumble upon the evidence already presented would say, "give me a hit of whatever that sceptimatic is smokin', because it must be some righteous herb..."

All you ever do is claim conspiracy, CGI, it's fake because I said so...on and on, never any evidence, just you stomping away.

I gave enough evidence but people like you reject it because it doesn't fit the mass peer pressured norm.

Why you need "real-time" satellite imagery is beyond me.

Here's why. You see, if satellites can supposedly steer your vehicles in the right direction via voices then they should also be able to show a picture of where you are, at that time, also.
Soooo, to nail the globe as being real, this would do it because no plane or airborne vehicle will be able to  pinpoint something I set up, in minutes.

I gave you week old (not months) satellite imagery of the iceberg event that actually occurred, showing it occurring. I gave you satellite imagery showing a massive engineering marvel of a man-made island chain that didn't exist a couple of years prior.

And you obviously didn't read what I said, or you did and pretend you didn't.

The closest you can probably get is 24 hours and it will cost you. These guys can handle your satellite imagery desires for you. You just need to pick something that is going to change from one day to the next - Maybe go to a park near you and lay down a massive "HELP" sign, request two satellite images of the area over the span of the 24 hour change from no sign to the sign being there and pay them for it:

https://about.soar.earth/skymap50.html
Check out the FAQs for why you can't get "real-time" and how much it'll cost you for your near real-time 24 hour experiment.

Read what it says.
[b]Can you provide real time satellite imagery?
Unfortunately, there is actually no 'real-time' satellite imagery available to non-military customers. There is however near real-time which is delayed between 24 and 72 hours depending on the orbitology. For example, if you were ordering a one off image, maximum scene size of 12 km x 12 km it would take about 48 to 72 hours. But if it was constant monitoring of a location, it can be imaged and delivered every 24 hrs into your Soar.Earth account. Many satellite companies offer daily coverage but this is a marketing gimmick as the actual turn around time to your access can vary up to a week. Moreover, you would have to pay a minimum collect fee of about $5,000. With SkyMap50 the pricing of $10km˛ is standard and capped.[/b]

Can I order an image for a specific date and time of day?
No. SkyMap50 constellation includes four satellites providing once daily global coverage. Images are usually captured between 10AM to noon local time every day.[/b]

What a crock of tish.

These guys too:

https://eos.com/products/landviewer/

It'll cost you though.

Another rock of tish.

You are near rock bottom in my estimation.

Stash is right..  wouldn't everyone like access to live, real-time images from satellites. Unfortunately no such live footage is available to the public for obvious reasons of security and personal privacy laws. You can get free access to live, webcam footage from around the world (www.skylinewebcams.com for example) but that doesn't provide any proof or evidence that the Earth is a globe in itself.

However Scepti won't see it like that. Instead he will just maintain his usual claims that live, real-time satellite footage is not available because it doesn't exist. That in his mind will confirm his belief that satellites don't exist. Fair enough, whatever.

You lot are scraping the barrel for excuses.

They must do, you use them and so does a lot of people, including myself.

There you go with your delusional circular reasoning again.
The maps which work are based upon a RE. This shows Earth is round.
There is no global map of a FE which actually works.

Again, if you think there is, provide it.
Because you have been provided plenty of evidence of other maps, based upon a globe, which people use on a daily basis, that actually work.

No, I haven't.

You have. You just dismiss them as stories and CGI and fakes.
This is why you asking for evidence is an exercise in dishonesty.
You have no interest in ever accepting any evidence that shows you are wrong.

The only time you will commit to accepting it is when you know it is either actually impossible, or is practically impossible.

I gave enough evidence but people like you reject it because it doesn't fit the mass peer pressured norm.

You have provided no evidence at all.
Instead you have provided repeated lies which are destroyed by trivial questions you refuse to answer and logical and mathematical arguments you cannot refute.

Just what evidence do you think you have provided?
Before you answer, just remember these simple questions you are yet to answer, which destroys basically all your claims:
How far below the tube can an object at 1 mile distance be, in order to still be visible through the tube?
Can you see the base of a tree at 1 mile distance, if the base of the tree is 6 ft below the level of the tube?
Again, what magic prevents us from seeing the RE through a level tube?
Again, what should the tilt be (provide a number with units and math justifying it) for an object 30 km away?
How much of such an object should be hidden at a 30 km distance, if you are standing 2 m above the RE?
What is the level of uncertainty in your measurements of allegedly flat water in your sink, in terms of both angle and change in height?

Here's why. You see, if satellites can supposedly steer your vehicles in the right direction via voices then they should also be able to show a picture of where you are, at that time, also.

And more illogical garbage.
The satellites don't steer your vehicle, nor do they know where you are.
They transmit a signal and your GPS unit knows where they were when they transmitted that signal. It then uses that information to determine where on the globe you are.

There is no reason at all for those satellites to know where you are, and no reason at all for them to provide a live feed of your position on Earth which you can happily control and zoom in on.

Like I have said repeatedly, if you want control of a satellite, go buy your own satellite.
And unless you want to plan for when it is overhead, go buy your own satellite constellation.

Quote from: Themightykabool on May 23, 2021, 07:45:52 AM

Even easier.
Sceppy go google your own address and see if yoy recognize your own backyard.



However
Abstractly it can be conspiratorally argued these qere airplabe photos.
So bad argument path.

Stick to circles.
You cant refute geometry.

Did you not pay attention like stash did not?

Read what I said, again and absorb it, then come back to me.

You clearyl have been paying attention and know your absurb deflections to draw the circle show you have no argument to stand on.
Kepp dodging.
Draw the cirlce

You lot are scraping the barrel for excuses.

OK I tell you what.  How about I write to GCHQ in the UK and the CIA in the states and ask them politely to give me a link to some live, real-time military grade satellite imagery?  When asked why I want it I will say to show some proof obsessed geezer on a flat earth website who is demanding it as evidence that the Earth is a globe and satellites really exist.

What do you think the replies will say?  Just a warning though that I may not be able to provide it because I will probably have been arrested.

Quote from: Smoke Machine on May 23, 2021, 09:49:56 AM

Sceptimatic, it's not as easy as you make out it should be.

Let's put a few things into perspective.

The International Space Station orbits the earth at a height of about 400 kilometers, every 90 minutes, at a speed of 28,000 km/h.

So you've been led to believe.

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The majority of satellites that orbit the earth do so at a height between 160 and 2,000 kilometers in lower Earth orbit.

Again, so you've been led to believe.

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Satellites in geostationary orbit, do so at a height of about 36,000 kilometers from earth.

Once again, so you've been led to believe.

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I've read that military satellites can see objects from space smaller than half a car, but there are some non-military satellites that can see objects to the size of half a car on earth, from space. Otherwise, the military use drones and aircraft.

And once again, so you've been led to believe.

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I'm not in the military and don't have military clearance.

I'm not asking for military clearance. Just a simple real time picture of something on the ground from so called space.

 

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My suggestion with the ISS is the best I have at present, but I'm on nightshift and ain't firing on all cylinders, so just bear with me.

I'll see what the smallest item that can be detected on earth from the ISS is, and what powered telescope you need to get a clear image of the ISS where you can identify features.
 So, it may have to be a daytime passover. I've seen the ISS at night with my naked eyes, but that doesn't really help.

Forget the so called ISS.
The so called space is apparently awash with satellites that consistently throw out pictures of Earth.
I simply want to see real time zoom in to something  on the ground, not something from yesterday or last week or last month or last year.

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Plus, you're asking to see proof the image from a satellite from something on the ground in real time, but you are going to want proof the image isn't just from a drone or aircraft and that the satellite or ISS in question is really where it is purported to be.

No, I won't.
If you can put me onto something that can give me a real time zoom from a globe view  and then a zoom in to a location I can check in real time, I'd be happy with that and would never question the globe, again.

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What would change my mind I hear you ask? One aerial photo showing two continents in the one shot, on a plane, which the global model says are on opposite sides of the globe, so thus, should never ever possibly be photographed together in the one photo.

Can you see north America from south America?

Yes sceptimatic, those are the narratives as I have been led to believe. [yawn]

I can't see north America from south america when viewing the earth from space, above Antarctica. So, no. But I made it very clear what I was saying, didn't I?

So, you won't compromise on the International Space Station? The only difference between it and other satellites orbiting the earth, is it contains people, as I have been led to believe [yawn], and it is significantly closer to earth than many of the other satellites in lower earth orbit.

The geostatic satellites, which are fixed, are significantly further away from earth, as I have been led to believe, so, attempting to get what you want from one of them, I dont think is possible. There is a very very very very very very big difference between 400 kilometers and 36,000 kilometers, isn't there?

But, the ISS live feed shows Earth curvature and straight down, depending on which camera is transmitting the live images. The advantage of the ISS, is you can download a photo, as I have been led to believe, of the ISS in great detail on the ground. Then using a telescope with 250 x magnification, and a bit of patience and skill, view the ISS from your own house, during one of it's fly bys and count the solar panels on the outside of it if you so wish.

But alas, you want me to pull a rabbit out of my hat, and somehow hack onto and access a military satellite. The problem with most the general satellites up there is there purpose is not to photograph match boxes and discarded cigarette butts on the sidewalk from space.

I'm still on night shift, but I'll see what I can come up with in the next couple of days. Maybe Russia has a satellite

The maps which work are based upon a RE. This shows Earth is round.
There is no global map of a FE which actually works.

The maps which work are based on mapping out terrain. Not from your space but from the air.
They are not based on any global model you adhere to.

There is no reason at all for those satellites to know where you are, and no reason at all for them to provide a live feed of your position on Earth which you can happily control and zoom in on.

Then there's no reason for them to know where anyone is who are driving, etc....but people like you claim satellites map your position all the way to and from your destination.
If they can do that then surely a live feed is of no issue....right?
But weirdly it cannot be done. I wonder why.

Like I have said repeatedly, if you want control of a satellite, go buy your own satellite.
And unless you want to plan for when it is overhead, go buy your own satellite constellation.

Great answer.

Great

Maps map out terrain.

Is the mercator map a valid map?