# What would change your mind?

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#### Themightykabool

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##### Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4410 on: April 16, 2021, 12:10:04 AM »
A very small hole.

However You Deflect
No scope was introduced.
Your eyeball is a pinhole camera.
Yes or no

Do you understand the very basoc and non indoctrined concept of how a pinhole camera works?
« Last Edit: April 16, 2021, 12:12:53 AM by Themightykabool »

#### sceptimatic

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##### Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4411 on: April 16, 2021, 02:48:51 AM »
A very small hole.

However You Deflect
No scope was introduced.
Your eyeball is a pinhole camera.
Yes or no

Do you understand the very basoc and non indoctrined concept of how a pinhole camera works?
Explain the pin hole camera to me.
Tell me what it does.

#### sceptimatic

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##### Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4412 on: April 16, 2021, 02:54:46 AM »
Here with the tube 6ft high, the centre of the tube (the red line) would be 6ft high on the tree :-
We can also see the top of the tree 24 ft above the red line

And here with the tube 24ft high, the centre of the tube (the red line) would be 24ft high on the tree :-
We can also see the bottom of the tree 24 ft below the red line

The ground is still visible as we can still see the base of the tree.

Note: As the tree is only 400ft away we only need to raise the tube by 0.046 inch 11 ft to match the 8 inches per mile squared downslope of the globe of sceppys strawman of the globe.

When I actually look through the tube in real life the horizon appears much closer to the centre of the tube, like this picture (that has the tube much higher) :-

According to you it should actually be right in the middle.

If you're honest and want to know the reality then get your basic stuff, which costs nothing.
A kitchen roll tube or a hoover pipe or whatever, similar.
Place a strand of cotton thread over one end, half way.
If you have a tripod or something to rest the roll holder on so you can horizontally level it and also horizontally level your cotton line.
Now look out to sea and see your horizon line meet your cotton line.
Note: Nowhere in this statement do you specify that the tube must be exactly 6ft from sea level (looking over the sea).

Unless of course you wish to 'change your mind' about one of these claims.

So which is it? Is the ground visible in the middle of the tube? Or can you tell us at what tube height the ground magically disappears from view (you have agreed the ground can be seen when the tube is 6ft high)
Deal with a tube 6 feet high and looking level over the sea.
Or deal with the level tube at 6 feet looking over a downward gradient like JJA supposedly did.

With the sea your horizon would be gone and sky would be your view.

In JJA's downward gradient and 6 feet level tube, you would not see the downward slope.
The very reason why JJA will not do the revised set up.

You've tried all kinds of ways to not be bothered and been bothered but still change stance.

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#### Themightykabool

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##### Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4413 on: April 16, 2021, 02:57:06 AM »
A very small hole.

However You Deflect
No scope was introduced.
Your eyeball is a pinhole camera.
Yes or no

Do you understand the very basoc and non indoctrined concept of how a pinhole camera works?
Explain the pin hole camera to me.
Tell me what it does.

Its been explained
With a diagram

Keep deflecting.

Or
Time to explain why you think my words mean an introducing of an external scope

Time to say back, in your words, what your understanding of my words means
« Last Edit: April 16, 2021, 02:58:41 AM by Themightykabool »

#### sceptimatic

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##### Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4414 on: April 16, 2021, 03:17:01 AM »

Its been explained
With a diagram

Keep deflecting.

Or
Time to explain why you think my words mean an introducing of an external scope

Time to say back, in your words, what your understanding of my words means
I seriously don't understand what you're trying to say against what I'm saying.

Explain it like I'm a dummy, or whatever you think.

#### sceptimatic

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##### Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4415 on: April 16, 2021, 03:19:14 AM »
Deal with a tube 6 feet high and looking level over the sea.

With the sea your horizon would be gone and sky would be your view.

which contradicts this :-

If you're honest and want to know the reality then get your basic stuff, which costs nothing.
A kitchen roll tube or a hoover pipe or whatever, similar.
Place a strand of cotton thread over one end, half way.
If you have a tripod or something to rest the roll holder on so you can horizontally level it and also horizontally level your cotton line.
Now look out to sea and see your horizon line meet your cotton line.
Of course they contradict.

I'm trying to tell you what you would see on your globe against what you are seeing on real Earth that you think is a globe, which is why you're mixed up to all hell..

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#### JackBlack

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##### Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4416 on: April 16, 2021, 03:28:58 AM »
Again, what is wrong with this diagram:

The 6 feet would start at the black line.
It means the black line is equivalent to a 3 mile distance in terms of 8 inches per mile squared x the 3 mile.
The next distance from that black line is equivalent to the 4th mile.
You know this.
No, I know you are full of pure BS.
The black line is 6 ft high.
The purple line is looking out at that 6 ft high point, with the tube level at that 6 ft high point.
The orange line is looking from 3 miles further back.
You actually believe that orange line is meant to be something.
I don't just believe, I KNOW it is.

That orange line shows what you are claiming the purple line is.

That is the line from the extra 3 miles.

Notice it how it doesn't match the purple line?
Notice how instead of going level through the tube, it instead goes through at an upwards angle?
That shows your claim is pure BS.

Your orange line should hit the top of the black line.
Your orange line is your 8 inch for first mile start, plus your second mile at 32 inches, plus your third mile to the top of the black line at 6 feet.
It does, that is exactly how I have shown it.
So what you are saying is that there is nothing wrong with my diagram.

If you continue along that line, when you get to the 4 miles distance, you end up with 11 ft. The problem is that that is looking up at the 6 ft tube, not level.
That means it isn't equivalent to looking though a level tube that is 6 ft above the ground. It is equivalent to looking through a tube pointing upwards, 6 ft above the ground.

As you have pointed out many times, we are discussing a level tube.

You twist is as you want but you're getting desperate.
Stop projecting.
You are the one twisting a simple math problem of 6 ft + 8 inches, into pure BS to try to pretend there is a problem for the RE.

Again, the ground has dropped by 8 inches in that mile, regardless of what BS you want to try to play. That means relative to our level view point, it is 6 ft and 8 inches below.
No amount of twisting by you will change that.

There is no way you can magically change that 8 inches into 5 ft.

Deal with a tube 6 feet high and looking level over the sea.
Or deal with the level tube at 6 feet looking over a downward gradient like JJA supposedly did.

With the sea your horizon would be gone and sky would be your view.

In JJA's downward gradient and 6 feet level tube, you would not see the downward slope.

All you have are lies and contradictions.

You blatantly lie to pretend that it will magically grow to an 11 ft drop for no reason at all and continually deflect away from the fact that that still isn't enough ot make it not visible.

Again, on what basis do you spout your blatant lie that on a RE you wouldn't see anything but sky?
On what do you spout your blatant lie that you can't see the downwards slope?

Again, all you had for that was your blatant lie that you can't see anything below the level of the tube, but you have admitted that you can see things below the tube.

Now grow up, stop with the pathetic deflections and actually deal with it.

You are arguing for scoped sight.
No, he isn't.
He is arguing for light travelling in straight lines.

The point is, this straight lines, which make this cone you hate so much, is NOT a scope.

Do you notice the lack of a lens and the lack of light suddenly tuning?
That shows it isn't a scope.

Why are you continually lying and pretending people are arguing for a scope to dismiss them?
Why can't you just be honest for once and admit you are wrong?

I'm trying to tell you what you would see on your globe against what you are seeing on real Earth that you think is a globe, which is why you're mixed up to all hell..
No, you are telling us what we actually see on the globe, in reality, when we look to the horizon, vs your blatant lie against the globe to pretend we aren't on a globe.

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#### Themightykabool

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##### Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4417 on: April 16, 2021, 07:26:54 AM »
Deal with a tube 6 feet high and looking level over the sea.

With the sea your horizon would be gone and sky would be your view.

which contradicts this :-

If you're honest and want to know the reality then get your basic stuff, which costs nothing.
A kitchen roll tube or a hoover pipe or whatever, similar.
Place a strand of cotton thread over one end, half way.
If you have a tripod or something to rest the roll holder on so you can horizontally level it and also horizontally level your cotton line.
Now look out to sea and see your horizon line meet your cotton line.
Of course they contradict.

I'm trying to tell you what you would see on your globe against what you are seeing on real Earth that you think is a globe, which is why you're mixed up to all hell..

Correct
Two separate points

1.  people can see a FIELD OF VIEW hence jjas tu-tube photo showing you wrong.

2.  Eye level has been explained to you and you have yet to diagram how in denP two people at different heights wil obtain an eyelevel of rhe horizon.

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#### Themightykabool

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##### Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4418 on: April 16, 2021, 07:29:42 AM »

Its been explained
With a diagram

Keep deflecting.

Or
Time to explain why you think my words mean an introducing of an external scope

Time to say back, in your words, what your understanding of my words means
I seriously don't understand what you're trying to say against what I'm saying.

Explain it like I'm a dummy, or whatever you think.

I said your eye is a pinhole.

You responded with "fluted compression over distance."
Showing you neither read the words nor looked at the image but instead merely happy to repeat your meaningless word salad.

Then youresponded "is there a scope?"
Showing once again zero comprehension of the words and picture provided.

So
Very simply

You are an idiot.

#### sceptimatic

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##### Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4419 on: April 16, 2021, 09:38:48 AM »
Deal with a tube 6 feet high and looking level over the sea.

With the sea your horizon would be gone and sky would be your view.

which contradicts this :-

If you're honest and want to know the reality then get your basic stuff, which costs nothing.
A kitchen roll tube or a hoover pipe or whatever, similar.
Place a strand of cotton thread over one end, half way.
If you have a tripod or something to rest the roll holder on so you can horizontally level it and also horizontally level your cotton line.
Now look out to sea and see your horizon line meet your cotton line.
Of course they contradict.

I'm trying to tell you what you would see on your globe against what you are seeing on real Earth that you think is a globe, which is why you're mixed up to all hell..

Correct
Two separate points

1.  people can see a FIELD OF VIEW hence jjas tu-tube photo showing you wrong.

2.  Eye level has been explained to you and you have yet to diagram how in denP two people at different heights wil obtain an eyelevel of rhe horizon.
I have no issue with FOV. I never have.
It was twisted to say I did.
Go back and see it all and put up the quotes and reference where they came from and let's see.

I said you have FOV by naked eye.
I said your FOV is in tunnel vision through a tube.

The argument skewed into nonsense from this point with you all throwing in all kinds of stuff and having a good old back patting giggle while I sat back and just smirked at your silliness.

Now you're trying to be serious and you don't know what you're trying to be serious about.

Put better effort in.

#### sceptimatic

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##### Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4420 on: April 16, 2021, 09:39:44 AM »

Its been explained
With a diagram

Keep deflecting.

Or
Time to explain why you think my words mean an introducing of an external scope

Time to say back, in your words, what your understanding of my words means
I seriously don't understand what you're trying to say against what I'm saying.

Explain it like I'm a dummy, or whatever you think.

I said your eye is a pinhole.

You responded with "fluted compression over distance."
Showing you neither read the words nor looked at the image but instead merely happy to repeat your meaningless word salad.

Then youresponded "is there a scope?"
Showing once again zero comprehension of the words and picture provided.

So
Very simply

You are an idiot.
No I didn't.
I said you people are making out it's fluted  over distance.

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#### Themightykabool

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##### Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4421 on: April 16, 2021, 10:10:51 AM »
Skirting semanitcs and not actually addressing the question.

Still deflecting and avoiding.

Is

Your

Eyeball

A

Pinhole camera?

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#### Themightykabool

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##### Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4422 on: April 16, 2021, 10:14:43 AM »
Deal with a tube 6 feet high and looking level over the sea.

With the sea your horizon would be gone and sky would be your view.

which contradicts this :-

If you're honest and want to know the reality then get your basic stuff, which costs nothing.
A kitchen roll tube or a hoover pipe or whatever, similar.
Place a strand of cotton thread over one end, half way.
If you have a tripod or something to rest the roll holder on so you can horizontally level it and also horizontally level your cotton line.
Now look out to sea and see your horizon line meet your cotton line.
Of course they contradict.

I'm trying to tell you what you would see on your globe against what you are seeing on real Earth that you think is a globe, which is why you're mixed up to all hell..

Correct
Two separate points

1.  people can see a FIELD OF VIEW hence jjas tu-tube photo showing you wrong.

2.  Eye level has been explained to you and you have yet to diagram how in denP two people at different heights wil obtain an eyelevel of rhe horizon.
I have no issue with FOV. I never have.
It was twisted to say I did.
Go back and see it all and put up the quotes and reference where they came from and let's see.

I said you have FOV by naked eye.
I said your FOV is in tunnel vision through a tube.

The argument skewed into nonsense from this point with you all throwing in all kinds of stuff and having a good old back patting giggle while I sat back and just smirked at your silliness.

Now you're trying to be serious and you don't know what you're trying to be serious about.

Put better effort in.

Bored provided diagrams which you amazingly misunderstood, contradicted yourself and still have yet to provide your own.

And with jjas unleveled single tube photo showed that there is still a fov allowing you to see the ground at some far enough away distance.
Jackb followed up with the appropriate distance.

And you pathetically added a 2nd tube and a vertical plumb line.

We yet to see any effort from your side to educate us and explain what is going on.
Educate us.
Feel free.
Anytime now.
Pushing 150pg soon.

#### sceptimatic

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##### Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4423 on: April 16, 2021, 10:19:17 AM »
Skirting semanitcs and not actually addressing the question.

Still deflecting and avoiding.

Is

Your

Eyeball

A

Pinhole camera?
No. It's an eye ball.

#### sceptimatic

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##### Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4424 on: April 16, 2021, 10:23:35 AM »

Bored provided diagrams which you amazingly misunderstood, contradicted yourself and still have yet to provide your own.

And with jjas unleveled single tube photo showed that there is still a fov allowing you to see the ground at some far enough away distance.
Jackb followed up with the appropriate distance.

And you pathetically added a 2nd tube and a vertical plumb line.

We yet to see any effort from your side to educate us and explain what is going on.
Educate us.
Feel free.
Anytime now.
Pushing 150pg soon.
Educate you on what?

You don't want anything from me.
You have all you need from the curriculum you bought into, to present day of acceptance of anything officially put out by what you deem as, authority.

How can I educate you?

Maybe try and question what you were indoctrinated with and you might......I say "might" start to think outside of that box and maybe......I say "maybe" you could start seeing reasoning behind the stuff you massively reject with gusto, now.

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#### Themightykabool

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##### Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4425 on: April 16, 2021, 11:25:12 AM »
Skirting semanitcs and not actually addressing the question.

Still deflecting and avoiding.

Is

Your

Eyeball

A

Pinhole camera?
No. It's an eye ball.

Then you are incorrect.
Being an eye doctor does not require acceptance the earth is flat.
The eyeball behaves just like a pinhole camera and fully explains far = small close = big.

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#### Themightykabool

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##### Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4426 on: April 16, 2021, 11:27:55 AM »

Bored provided diagrams which you amazingly misunderstood, contradicted yourself and still have yet to provide your own.

And with jjas unleveled single tube photo showed that there is still a fov allowing you to see the ground at some far enough away distance.
Jackb followed up with the appropriate distance.

And you pathetically added a 2nd tube and a vertical plumb line.

We yet to see any effort from your side to educate us and explain what is going on.
Educate us.
Feel free.
Anytime now.
Pushing 150pg soon.
Educate you on what?

You don't want anything from me.
You have all you need from the curriculum you bought into, to present day of acceptance of anything officially put out by what you deem as, authority.

How can I educate you?

Maybe try and question what you were indoctrinated with and you might......I say "might" start to think outside of that box and maybe......I say "maybe" you could start seeing reasoning behind the stuff you massively reject with gusto, now.

You came here to tell us we re wrong.
We provided our standpoint.
You provided a glimps of yours - and nothing further.

If you continue to dodge and not partucipate i will conitnue to make fun of you.
Because we are no longer discussing ideas.
Its just you say "nuh uh" over and over.
If youre right, take it beyond "curshing friction fluted dark on light" and provide something of susbstance.

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#### JackBlack

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##### Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4427 on: April 16, 2021, 03:29:36 PM »
I have no issue with FOV. I never have.
It was twisted to say I did.
You mean it was honestly shown that your position relies upon pretending there is no FOV, or that it magically becomes a straight line.

If you actually accepted the fact that we have a FOV, and this limits what we can see, you would be using it in your argument, rather than continually dismissing it and continually trying to appeal to a level tube as if it magically means you don't have a FOV.

I said you have FOV by naked eye.
I said your FOV is in tunnel vision through a tube.
And your claims about the tube are pure BS.
Even though a tube, you still have a FOV.
It doesn't magically make it a straight line like you want to pretend, all so you can pretend you can't see the ground.

Again, if you actually had no issues with FOV, to determine if you can see the ground or not, you would simply calculate the dip angle to it, and see if that is within your FOV.

Instead you do whatever you can to avoid that as you know it shows you are wrong.

The only one trying to twist things here is you.

So follow your own advice, and actually put some effort in.

Again, this image shows your blatant lie:

The orange line shows the view from the extra 3 miles back. It has the drop increasing until you reach the tube at 6 ft.
But unlike your lie, it is clearly not equivalent.
That is because it is going upwards through the tube, not level through it.
The 11 ft you want to pretend is there, is the distance from the line passing through the middle of an UPWARDS facing tube at 6 ft elevation, to the base of an object 1 mile away.
If instead you use a LEVEL tube, like you continually hyped on about to ensure we were doing that, we end up with only 6 ft 8 inches.
That is the purple line.
Notice how unlike your orange lie, the purple line passes through the tube LEVEL, not going upwards, not going down, but LEVEL.

This means that your claims about the extra 3 miles are pure BS, and yet again just shows you lying to try to pretend there is a problem for the RE.

But again, if you actually had no issues with FOV, then for the tube I said before, a 1 inch diameter 10 inch long tube, we have a FOV of 5.7 degrees.

The ground, even with your blatant lie of 11 ft below, at 1 mile distance, is at an angle of dip of 0.1 degree.
That puts it well within the FOV of the tube, and thus you CAN see the ground through this tube, even on your blatant lie of the RE.

If instead you stick to reality, to the 8 inches per mile squared, you end up with 0.07 degrees.
And as you go further away, perspective (or as you prefer to call it, "convergence") still wins, such that at 2 miles, you have an angle of dip of 0.047 degrees, then at 3 miles it is 0.043. It is only after that that curvature starts to beat perspective/"convergence", and Earth starts blocking the view to the more distant ground. This gives what most people know of as the HORIZON.

So again, it doesn't matter if you want to accept the fact you are wrong and use the real 6 ft and 8 inches, or if you want to continue to lie to try to pretend there is a problem with the RE by pretending it is magically 11 ft, defying all reason; you end up with it visible through the tube.

Again, the only way for you to pretend there was a problem seeing the ground if by pretending you can't see anything below the level of the tube. But you have admitted that is not the case and you CAN see things below the tube.

#### sceptimatic

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##### Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4428 on: April 17, 2021, 12:54:49 AM »
Skirting semanitcs and not actually addressing the question.

Still deflecting and avoiding.

Is

Your

Eyeball

A

Pinhole camera?
No. It's an eye ball.

Then you are incorrect.
Being an eye doctor does not require acceptance the earth is flat.
The eyeball behaves just like a pinhole camera and fully explains far = small close = big.
You asked if the eye ball was a pin hole camera.

It's an eye ball.

#### sceptimatic

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##### Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4429 on: April 17, 2021, 12:55:53 AM »

Bored provided diagrams which you amazingly misunderstood, contradicted yourself and still have yet to provide your own.

And with jjas unleveled single tube photo showed that there is still a fov allowing you to see the ground at some far enough away distance.
Jackb followed up with the appropriate distance.

And you pathetically added a 2nd tube and a vertical plumb line.

We yet to see any effort from your side to educate us and explain what is going on.
Educate us.
Feel free.
Anytime now.
Pushing 150pg soon.
Educate you on what?

You don't want anything from me.
You have all you need from the curriculum you bought into, to present day of acceptance of anything officially put out by what you deem as, authority.

How can I educate you?

Maybe try and question what you were indoctrinated with and you might......I say "might" start to think outside of that box and maybe......I say "maybe" you could start seeing reasoning behind the stuff you massively reject with gusto, now.

You came here to tell us we re wrong.
We provided our standpoint.
You provided a glimps of yours - and nothing further.

If you continue to dodge and not partucipate i will conitnue to make fun of you.
Because we are no longer discussing ideas.
Its just you say "nuh uh" over and over.
If youre right, take it beyond "curshing friction fluted dark on light" and provide something of susbstance.
No, I didn't come here to tell you you were wrong.

So what are you talking about?

#### sceptimatic

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##### Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4430 on: April 17, 2021, 12:58:30 AM »

Again, the only way for you to pretend there was a problem seeing the ground if by pretending you can't see anything below the level of the tube. But you have admitted that is not the case and you CAN see things below the tube.
Nope.
You're twisting it once again.

You're trying to use a scope or naked eye as your FOV to see ground on a slope.
I'm using a tube at 6 feet, plumb and level for sight.

You can change it up like the rest as much as you want but you won't gain any traction.

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#### JackBlack

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##### Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4431 on: April 17, 2021, 03:28:21 AM »
Again, the only way for you to pretend there was a problem seeing the ground if by pretending you can't see anything below the level of the tube. But you have admitted that is not the case and you CAN see things below the tube.
Nope.
You're twisting it once again.
No, I'm not.
I am honestly and accurately stating your position.
Your entire argument was based upon claiming that because the ground is below the tube, it can't be seen.

Even quite recently, you just appeal to it being below, blatantly lying about the height in the process.

The only other thing your argument has been is repeatedly lying about what others are doing to pretend you can just dismiss them, just like you are doing now.

You're trying to use a scope or naked eye as your FOV to see ground on a slope.
I'm using a tube at 6 feet, plumb and level for sight.
No. I'm using the tube, level 6 ft above Earth.
You instead want to pretend that it should be pointing up to have an 5 ft drop over the first mile instead of the real 8 inch drop.

And as I have said repeatedly, you are ignoring the FOV.

Even with a tube, THERE IS STILL A FOV!!!

Again can you justify your claim that you shouldn't be able to see the Earth on a downwards slope, or on the real RE, through a level tube at an elevation of 6 ft?

Because so far you have made no honest attempt to do so.

You have just stated that it is below, lying about how far below, and acted like that should be enough.

Again, even if the ground was 11 ft below eye level at a distance of 1 mile, WHY SHOULDN'T IT BE VISIBLE THROUGH THE TUBE?

What if it was only 6 ft? Is it visible then?

Just what do you think the limit is?
Just how far below eye level does the ground need to be before it disappears from your tube?

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#### Themightykabool

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##### Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4432 on: April 17, 2021, 05:07:03 AM »
Play games.
The eyeball behaves just like a pinhole camera.

No one ever said scope except for you.

The tube limits the field of view, but, the the limited field of view is still there and enoigh, at a certain distance, to see ground.
You chose rhe wrong tube and shouldve used a drinking straw.
You obiously realized this after jja and since inteoduced a tu-tube setup in a garbage attempt to further limit the fov.
Not our fault that youre not smart.

#### Stash

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##### Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4433 on: April 17, 2021, 11:23:56 AM »
Precisely, all the tube does is limit your field of view. If you raise your head up and out from behind the tube, the tree 400' feet away, looks exactly the same size as inside the tube. It's just that your FOV is no longer limited by the tube walls. Simple as that.
The tube isn't magically compressing anything, making it smaller to your eye. Anyone can see that (no pun intended).

#### sceptimatic

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##### Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4434 on: April 18, 2021, 01:12:36 AM »

I am honestly and accurately stating your position.
Your entire argument was based upon claiming that because the ground is below the tube, it can't be seen.

Yes and I'm basing it on your global mindset.
Once you look through a tube you see no ground beneath your tube end......if your tube is set up level.
Once this happens you will never bring ground into your view on your globe, which is the exact reason why I used a downward gradient with a tube resting level upon it, as a yardstick to show you.
JJA then proceeded to try and play a noce con job not realising that I've already done it and any honest person can, also.

All you've done and continually do with anything, is twist it all to fit the narrative you abide by.

You cause your own frustration.

#### sceptimatic

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##### Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4435 on: April 18, 2021, 01:14:09 AM »
Play games.
The eyeball behaves just like a pinhole camera.

No one ever said scope except for you.

The tube limits the field of view, but, the the limited field of view is still there and enoigh, at a certain distance, to see ground.
You chose rhe wrong tube and shouldve used a drinking straw.
You obiously realized this after jja and since inteoduced a tu-tube setup in a garbage attempt to further limit the fov.
Not our fault that youre not smart.
It's not my fault you can't seem to grasp what's been said and also, you've never performed the simple experiment yourself in any honest way if you're arguing against what I've said.

#### sceptimatic

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##### Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4436 on: April 18, 2021, 01:17:41 AM »
Precisely, all the tube does is limit your field of view. If you raise your head up and out from behind the tube, the tree 400' feet away, looks exactly the same size as inside the tube. It's just that your FOV is no longer limited by the tube walls. Simple as that.
The tube isn't magically compressing anything, making it smaller to your eye. Anyone can see that (no pun intended).
I never said the tube compresses anything. I said it creates a tunnel vision.
I said your distant vision is compressed, like looking down a big funnel but in reality it's atmospheric density closing out the distant light/reflection back  to your eye.
A demagnification for the sake of throwing a word out.

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#### Themightykabool

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##### Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4437 on: April 18, 2021, 02:00:13 AM »
Play games.
The eyeball behaves just like a pinhole camera.

No one ever said scope except for you.

The tube limits the field of view, but, the the limited field of view is still there and enoigh, at a certain distance, to see ground.
You chose rhe wrong tube and shouldve used a drinking straw.
You obiously realized this after jja and since inteoduced a tu-tube setup in a garbage attempt to further limit the fov.
Not our fault that youre not smart.
It's not my fault you can't seem to grasp what's been said and also, you've never performed the simple experiment yourself in any honest way if you're arguing against what I've said.

What cant be grasp is that the eyeball behaves like a pinhole camera and explains why far = small.

Unless you have a different diagram to go along with yoyr words of "fluted demagnification of reflected compression", i think all of the biological world that has an eyeball will disagree with you.

But Feel free to educate us.
« Last Edit: April 18, 2021, 02:02:03 AM by Themightykabool »

#### sceptimatic

• Flat Earth Scientist
• 27760
##### Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4438 on: April 18, 2021, 02:02:52 AM »
Play games.
The eyeball behaves just like a pinhole camera.

No one ever said scope except for you.

The tube limits the field of view, but, the the limited field of view is still there and enoigh, at a certain distance, to see ground.
You chose rhe wrong tube and shouldve used a drinking straw.
You obiously realized this after jja and since inteoduced a tu-tube setup in a garbage attempt to further limit the fov.
Not our fault that youre not smart.
It's not my fault you can't seem to grasp what's been said and also, you've never performed the simple experiment yourself in any honest way if you're arguing against what I've said.

What cant be grasp is that the eyeball behaves like a pinhole camera and explains why far = small.

Unless you have a different diagram to go along with yoyr words of "fluted demagnification of reflected compression", i think all of the biological world that has an eyeball will disagree with you.

But Feel free to educate us.
I've never mentioned fluted compression.
By all means make stuff up but you get nowhere doing it.

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#### Themightykabool

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##### Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4439 on: April 18, 2021, 02:03:33 AM »
Yes and I'm basing it on your global mindset.
No, you are basing it on your own strawman globe, with a tiny radius. Do you have a real concept of how far a mile is, you seem to massively underestimate just how far it is.
It would appear from what you say that an 8 inch drop over 1 mile is like a cliff face straight down in front of your feet. When in reality you wouldn't be able to tell the difference from a flat plane over that first mile.

Note: The following is based on a flat plane. No curve for you to misinterpret.

With the tube 6ft high, the centre of the tube (the red line) would be 6ft high on the tree :-
We can also see the top of the tree 24 ft above the red line

And here with the tube 24ft high, the centre of the tube (the red line) would be 24ft high on the tree :-
We can also see the bottom of the tree 24 ft below the red line

The ground is still visible as we can still see the base of the tree.

And again based on a flat plane:-

If you're honest and want to know the reality then get your basic stuff, which costs nothing.
A kitchen roll tube or a hoover pipe or whatever, similar.
Place a strand of cotton thread over one end, half way.
If you have a tripod or something to rest the roll holder on so you can horizontally level it and also horizontally level your cotton line.
Now look out to sea and see your horizon line meet your cotton line.

He ws told to draw his picture to scale.
He refused amd said it was imppssible.
He was shown two 3d simulations which matched real life photos.
He refused to comment an umclear whether he even w atched the videos
He is a pos.