What would change your mind?

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4200 on: April 06, 2021, 05:09:46 AM »
Sure , I have proven that you are retarded wrong. I have proven that you lie. I have made you change your mind, even if only from one wrong to another.
So you can ignore me all you want.
And every time I try to call you a C-U-N-T the forum changes it to penguin. And I would never call you a penguin you dopey penguin.
My mind hasn't changed. My mind has been firm.
Yo and your pals' attempts to twist things to go your way is all well and good but it means nothing to me in terms of how I know what I'm saying.

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4201 on: April 06, 2021, 05:11:21 AM »


The lines are ok for a side view
Then why continue to object?


I didn't object to the lines from the side view.
Trying to twist it all does you no favours.

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4202 on: April 06, 2021, 05:14:44 AM »
Ok i think i got it

https://images.app.goo.gl/nWrCq3VrZ2MpKda27


Pin hole cameras
Your eyeball is a pinhole camera
The closer the objext the large the angles and resulting area on the back surface = far tree looks small

This is worded and diagrammed.
Cant possibly find fault with this...

Oh man so excited



https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.schoolphysics.co.uk%2Fage11-14%2FLight%2Ftext%2FPinhole_camera%2Findex.html&psig=AOvVaw1ERI34OazfIkx6vg-yQ4mH&ust=1617723888023000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCJjk55655-8CFQAAAAAdAAAAABAF


bored's gone off the edge... (or the theoretical dark on light reflecting crush of haze or something...)


let's refocus on pinholes.

as opposed to glory holes.


we know he doesn't believe spaceballs exist are are CGI nonsense.
is sceppy of the opinion (OPINION) that EYEballs don't exist?


And HERE it is if you wanted to represent what is seen by the eye, this will give you your answer to go along with jackBs angular-distance graph.

Youve responded several times to other peopl.
Why
Why is the pinhole being ignored?
Address this.
Explain the pinhole in your own words to tell me what's happening.

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4203 on: April 06, 2021, 06:33:58 AM »
I did
And provided a picture

What was the confusion or is this a distraction deflection?
present an actual point.
« Last Edit: April 06, 2021, 06:52:37 AM by Themightykabool »

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4204 on: April 06, 2021, 07:01:03 AM »

My mind hasn't changed. My mind has been firm.
Yo and your pals' attempts to twist things to go your way is all well and good but it means nothing to me in terms of how I know what I'm saying.





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Make the tree smaller.

MAKE THE TREE SMALLER HOW?
WHY DON"T YOU MAKE IT SMALLER AND HSOW US WANT YOU WANT TO COMMUNICATE
YOU"RE CONFUSING EVERYONE WITH POOR/ LACK OF COMMUINICATION SKILL









So now I'm utterly confused. Do you agree with this:


For the love of god, can you just answer a simple question and settle this once and for all.

Is it this:

A

Or is it this:

B

A or B?




None.




Way back on page 62 was this :-


So are you saying this:


Absolutely.




NONE? or ABSOLUTELY?
you do know what the two words mean?

Ok so what is it then?
Draw your picture
learn to communicate

because you're definitely changing your story.
« Last Edit: April 06, 2021, 07:34:31 AM by Themightykabool »

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4205 on: April 06, 2021, 08:43:48 AM »
I did
And provided a picture

What was the confusion or is this a distraction deflection?
present an actual point.
Explain the pinhole in your own words to tell me what's happening.

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4206 on: April 06, 2021, 08:46:04 AM »

My mind hasn't changed. My mind has been firm.
Yo and your pals' attempts to twist things to go your way is all well and good but it means nothing to me in terms of how I know what I'm saying.





?


Make the tree smaller.

MAKE THE TREE SMALLER HOW?
WHY DON"T YOU MAKE IT SMALLER AND HSOW US WANT YOU WANT TO COMMUNICATE
YOU"RE CONFUSING EVERYONE WITH POOR/ LACK OF COMMUINICATION SKILL









So now I'm utterly confused. Do you agree with this:


For the love of god, can you just answer a simple question and settle this once and for all.

Is it this:

A

Or is it this:

B

A or B?




None.




Way back on page 62 was this :-


So are you saying this:


Absolutely.




NONE? or ABSOLUTELY?
you do know what the two words mean?

Ok so what is it then?
Draw your picture
learn to communicate

because you're definitely changing your story.

My story isn't changing. You people all throwing n your posts are what's turning it into a twist fest for you all.

I've explained it but you lot seem to look past it.

Do the jigsaw.

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4207 on: April 06, 2021, 08:51:59 AM »
those are literally pictures taht you are agreeing and disagreeing to.
pictures
no twisting pictures

now your understanding of how pictures work is up for debate, but pictrues on their own merit given the same misunderstanding for both, should result in the same agree/disagreement.
yet you still fail to maintain any sense of consistency.
keep on failing.

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4208 on: April 06, 2021, 08:54:03 AM »
I did
And provided a picture

What was the confusion or is this a distraction deflection?
present an actual point.
Explain the pinhole in your own words to tell me what's happening.


amazing
you deleted the very first post in the spammed reply where i actually used words
along with the picture




Ok i think i got it

https://images.app.goo.gl/nWrCq3VrZ2MpKda27


Pin hole cameras
Your eyeball is a pinhole camera
The closer the objext the large the angles and resulting area on the back surface = far tree looks small

This is worded and diagrammed.
Cant possibly find fault with this...

Oh man so excited



https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.schoolphysics.co.uk%2Fage11-14%2FLight%2Ftext%2FPinhole_camera%2Findex.html&psig=AOvVaw1ERI34OazfIkx6vg-yQ4mH&ust=1617723888023000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCJjk55655-8CFQAAAAAdAAAAABAF


bored's gone off the edge... (or the theoretical dark on light reflecting crush of haze or something...)


let's refocus on pinholes.

as opposed to glory holes.


we know he doesn't believe spaceballs exist are are CGI nonsense.
is sceppy of the opinion (OPINION) that EYEballs don't exist?


And HERE it is if you wanted to represent what is seen by the eye, this will give you your answer to go along with jackBs angular-distance graph.

Youve responded several times to other peopl.
Why
Why is the pinhole being ignored?
Address this.
Explain the pinhole in your own words to tell me what's happening.






here's teh whole thing again.


here's the words

quit fking about and address an actual point.




Quote
Pin hole cameras
Your eyeball is a pinhole camera
The closer the objext the large the angles and resulting area on the back surface = far tree looks small

This is worded and diagrammed.
Cant possibly find fault with this...

Oh man so excited


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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4209 on: April 06, 2021, 09:03:54 AM »
I did
And provided a picture

What was the confusion or is this a distraction deflection?
present an actual point.
Explain the pinhole in your own words to tell me what's happening.


amazing
you deleted the very first post in the spammed reply where i actually used words
along with the picture




Ok i think i got it

https://images.app.goo.gl/nWrCq3VrZ2MpKda27


Pin hole cameras
Your eyeball is a pinhole camera
The closer the objext the large the angles and resulting area on the back surface = far tree looks small

This is worded and diagrammed.
Cant possibly find fault with this...

Oh man so excited



https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.schoolphysics.co.uk%2Fage11-14%2FLight%2Ftext%2FPinhole_camera%2Findex.html&psig=AOvVaw1ERI34OazfIkx6vg-yQ4mH&ust=1617723888023000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCJjk55655-8CFQAAAAAdAAAAABAF


bored's gone off the edge... (or the theoretical dark on light reflecting crush of haze or something...)


let's refocus on pinholes.

as opposed to glory holes.


we know he doesn't believe spaceballs exist are are CGI nonsense.
is sceppy of the opinion (OPINION) that EYEballs don't exist?


And HERE it is if you wanted to represent what is seen by the eye, this will give you your answer to go along with jackBs angular-distance graph.

Youve responded several times to other peopl.
Why
Why is the pinhole being ignored?
Address this.
Explain the pinhole in your own words to tell me what's happening.






here's teh whole thing again.


here's the words

quit fking about and address an actual point.




Quote
Pin hole cameras
Your eyeball is a pinhole camera
The closer the objext the large the angles and resulting area on the back surface = far tree looks small

This is worded and diagrammed.
Cant possibly find fault with this...

Oh man so excited

Explain the pinhole camera and what it actually does.

In your own words.

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4210 on: April 06, 2021, 10:02:20 AM »
your brain must be on loop and reached the limits of its AI programming.

these are my words as noted by my awesome typos.
what part of words are confusing you?

you seem very easily confused
you must be a complete moron.

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Your eyeball is a pinhole camera
The closer the objext the large the angles and resulting area on the back surface = far tree looks small

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4211 on: April 06, 2021, 10:49:48 AM »


Do the jigsaw.

Ever tried doing a jigsaw without having any idea what the completed picture should look like. Only to realise that all the jigsaw pieces are taken from different pictures at random.

Based on his cobstant dodging, i doubt sceppy has ever tried anything himself

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4212 on: April 06, 2021, 12:55:18 PM »
your brain must be on loop and reached the limits of its AI programming.

these are my words as noted by my awesome typos.
what part of words are confusing you?

you seem very easily confused
you must be a complete moron.

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Your eyeball is a pinhole camera
The closer the objext the large the angles and resulting area on the back surface = far tree looks small
Can you explain the pinhole camera in your own words.

Just explain why it happens due to this pinhole camera eye ball.

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4213 on: April 06, 2021, 12:56:23 PM »


Do the jigsaw.

Ever tried doing a jigsaw without having any idea what the completed picture should look like. Only to realise that all the jigsaw pieces are taken from different pictures at random.
Only piece the one's that match and fit.
Your way is the very reason you struggle.

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4214 on: April 06, 2021, 12:57:42 PM »


Do the jigsaw.

Ever tried doing a jigsaw without having any idea what the completed picture should look like. Only to realise that all the jigsaw pieces are taken from different pictures at random.

Based on his cobstant dodging, i doubt sceppy has ever tried anything himself
The stuff I've tred is exactly the same stuff that anyone can try and for very little to no outlay depending on experiment.

I seriously do not believe any of you have even attempted to do any.

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4215 on: April 06, 2021, 01:22:39 PM »
your brain must be on loop and reached the limits of its AI programming.

these are my words as noted by my awesome typos.
what part of words are confusing you?

you seem very easily confused
you must be a complete moron.

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Your eyeball is a pinhole camera
The closer the objext the large the angles and resulting area on the back surface = far tree looks small
Can you explain the pinhole camera in your own words.

Just explain why it happens due to this pinhole camera eye ball.

Its explained and reason has been given.
What do you fail to understand about its basic concept?
Are you of the position that they dont work?

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4216 on: April 06, 2021, 01:46:06 PM »
Yo and your pals' attempts to twist things to go your way
The only one trying to twist things here is you.
You have been doing this for so long it isn't funny.
You went down this path of tubes, claiming you cannot see the ground through such tubes because it is below the tube.
You did this by appealing to a magical tunnel vision where the light comes in parallel. Not just that being visual, but actually, physically coming in parallel as is required to stop light from the ground getting in.

But now you have effectively admitted that is purely visual and you CAN see the ground and things like a tree through the tube.
You accept that the ground near the tree is visible.
That means you can see the ground even though it is below.

So this entire exercise has been an entirely pointless exercise in trying to twist whatever you can to pretend you are correct, and you have defeated yourself.
And as Kabool has shown, you have been reducing to directly contradicting yourself to avoid this complete failure of yours.

My story isn't changing.
Stop lying. It has quite clearly be shown that it is changing.
You need to keep changing it to pretend your position has any connection to reality.

So again, why not just accept the fact that your initial claim on this was wrong and move on?
If not, care to explain how we can't see the ground that is below the tube, even though you have admitted we can?

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4217 on: April 06, 2021, 09:36:36 PM »
your brain must be on loop and reached the limits of its AI programming.

these are my words as noted by my awesome typos.
what part of words are confusing you?

you seem very easily confused
you must be a complete moron.

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Your eyeball is a pinhole camera
The closer the objext the large the angles and resulting area on the back surface = far tree looks small
Can you explain the pinhole camera in your own words.

Just explain why it happens due to this pinhole camera eye ball.

Its explained and reason has been given.
What do you fail to understand about its basic concept?
Are you of the position that they dont work?
You threw it out so at least explain what exactly is supposed to be happening.

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4218 on: April 06, 2021, 09:38:49 PM »


My story isn't changing.
Stop lying. It has quite clearly be shown that it is changing.
You need to keep changing it to pretend your position has any connection to reality.


My story isn't changing.
You people keep coming at me with different scenarios and I'm merely edging you towards what I'm saying rather than get entwined in the twisting nature of the posts, between the posse.

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4219 on: April 06, 2021, 11:18:40 PM »

So we understand it but see where the concept cannot be viable :-

You obviously don't understand it otherwise you would not have drawn so many pictures.

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4220 on: April 07, 2021, 02:00:23 AM »
You threw it out so at least explain what exactly is supposed to be happening.
I thought he did.
The light comes in at an angle, goes through the pinhole, continues at that angle and hits the screen.
It doesn't all magically come in parallel to the pinhole.

My story isn't changing.
Ignoring it wont magically mean you haven't.

You people keep coming at me with different scenarios
Yes, to show you the problem with what you claim, and then instead of accepting that you are wrong, you just contradict yourself by changing your story to address the other scenario.

Again, this comes back to doing your jigsaw. You don't seem to want to. Instead you only seem to want to look at once piece at a time, because as soon as you start trying to look at multiple pieces it becomes quite apparent that they don't fit together.

Now again, why don't you just admit that you can see the ground even though it is below the tube so we can move on?
If you don't want to accept that, explain just where we see this magical floating tree?

If you were honest and not actually changing your story, you would have no problem admitting the fact we can see the ground even though it is below the tube.

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4221 on: April 07, 2021, 02:58:20 AM »

Do you understand Santa? Do you have to believe in Santa to understand who/what he is?
Do you know who or what he is?

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4222 on: April 07, 2021, 02:59:56 AM »
You threw it out so at least explain what exactly is supposed to be happening.
I thought he did.
The light comes in at an angle, goes through the pinhole, continues at that angle and hits the screen.
It doesn't all magically come in parallel to the pinhole.


So you're talking about refracted light, right?

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4223 on: April 07, 2021, 03:41:12 AM »
So you're talking about refracted light, right?
No. We are talking about light going in straight lines.
That should be clear with what I said.
Stop playing dumb and deal with that fact.

Again, are you going to admit that you can see the ground, even though it is below the "level" of the tube?

If not, are you going to admit that you can see parts of the tree that are below the "level" of the tube?

If not, will you at least be somewhat honest and decent for once and clearly state your position that it is impossible to see anything that is below the level of the tube?

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4224 on: April 07, 2021, 04:08:49 AM »
Haha

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4225 on: April 07, 2021, 04:16:35 AM »
your brain must be on loop and reached the limits of its AI programming.

these are my words as noted by my awesome typos.
what part of words are confusing you?

you seem very easily confused
you must be a complete moron.

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Your eyeball is a pinhole camera
The closer the objext the large the angles and resulting area on the back surface = far tree looks small
Can you explain the pinhole camera in your own words.

Just explain why it happens due to this pinhole camera eye ball.

Its explained and reason has been given.
What do you fail to understand about its basic concept?
Are you of the position that they dont work?
You threw it out so at least explain what exactly is supposed to be happening.


You keeo takking about compressing views over distance.
The pinhole is jow to represent this wih an accurate and dimensionably scalable diagram as dvident by my very bereft description with experimentally useful reproducible diagram.

Unlike your word salad and lack of diagram
My diagram shows how close tree looks big-far tree lokks small, and jigsaws woth kackBs angular-distance graph and bored (correct) tree tu-tube drawing.
Clearly communicated as evident by everyone understanding it.... everyone.
Even the one wackadoodle who is faking it and curewntly dodging any acknowledgment of it because he must dismiss it because he cant bring up a valid point to argue it.
It must be dodged and dismissed or he must accept his tutube premise is wrong.



TLDR
Its a pinhole.
It explains how your eye works.
It shows field of view and debunks your tu-tube.

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4226 on: April 07, 2021, 09:29:57 AM »
So you're talking about refracted light, right?
No. We are talking about light going in straight lines.
That should be clear with what I said.
Stop playing dumb and deal with that fact.

Again, are you going to admit that you can see the ground, even though it is below the "level" of the tube?

If not, are you going to admit that you can see parts of the tree that are below the "level" of the tube?

If not, will you at least be somewhat honest and decent for once and clearly state your position that it is impossible to see anything that is below the level of the tube?
It's you that's twisting stuff, not me.

I stated my stance with the level sight from a tube over a gradient.

This was the argument.
I've yet to see a legitimate rebuttal.

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4227 on: April 07, 2021, 09:32:33 AM »
your brain must be on loop and reached the limits of its AI programming.

these are my words as noted by my awesome typos.
what part of words are confusing you?

you seem very easily confused
you must be a complete moron.

Quote
Your eyeball is a pinhole camera
The closer the objext the large the angles and resulting area on the back surface = far tree looks small
Can you explain the pinhole camera in your own words.

Just explain why it happens due to this pinhole camera eye ball.

Its explained and reason has been given.
What do you fail to understand about its basic concept?
Are you of the position that they dont work?
You threw it out so at least explain what exactly is supposed to be happening.


You keeo takking about compressing views over distance.
The pinhole is jow to represent this wih an accurate and dimensionably scalable diagram as dvident by my very bereft description with experimentally useful reproducible diagram.

Unlike your word salad and lack of diagram
My diagram shows how close tree looks big-far tree lokks small, and jigsaws woth kackBs angular-distance graph and bored (correct) tree tu-tube drawing.
Clearly communicated as evident by everyone understanding it.... everyone.
Even the one wackadoodle who is faking it and curewntly dodging any acknowledgment of it because he must dismiss it because he cant bring up a valid point to argue it.
It must be dodged and dismissed or he must accept his tutube premise is wrong.



TLDR
Its a pinhole.
It explains how your eye works.
It shows field of view and debunks your tu-tube.
If it's a pinhole, do you accept that the image seen through it has to be compressed?

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4228 on: April 07, 2021, 09:33:47 AM »


You're right that I don't understand, gonna need more sponge mirror atmosphere density compression to make this one work. It's gotta be magnets? air


Not atmospherically tight.
Everything has porosity.
It's just a case of which molecular structure can penetrate.
This is the key.



But the tree is upside down.

Not flying trees, at all.
It's up to you if you want to put a tree upside down but that's not what you observe. And this is key.

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4229 on: April 07, 2021, 09:48:02 AM »
your brain must be on loop and reached the limits of its AI programming.

these are my words as noted by my awesome typos.
what part of words are confusing you?

you seem very easily confused
you must be a complete moron.

Quote
Your eyeball is a pinhole camera
The closer the objext the large the angles and resulting area on the back surface = far tree looks small
Can you explain the pinhole camera in your own words.

Just explain why it happens due to this pinhole camera eye ball.

Its explained and reason has been given.
What do you fail to understand about its basic concept?
Are you of the position that they dont work?
You threw it out so at least explain what exactly is supposed to be happening.


You keeo takking about compressing views over distance.
The pinhole is jow to represent this wih an accurate and dimensionably scalable diagram as dvident by my very bereft description with experimentally useful reproducible diagram.

Unlike your word salad and lack of diagram
My diagram shows how close tree looks big-far tree lokks small, and jigsaws woth kackBs angular-distance graph and bored (correct) tree tu-tube drawing.
Clearly communicated as evident by everyone understanding it.... everyone.
Even the one wackadoodle who is faking it and curewntly dodging any acknowledgment of it because he must dismiss it because he cant bring up a valid point to argue it.
It must be dodged and dismissed or he must accept his tutube premise is wrong.



TLDR
Its a pinhole.
It explains how your eye works.
It shows field of view and debunks your tu-tube.
If it's a pinhole, do you accept that the image seen through it has to be compressed?


the "image" yes, not the tree, and not the field of view.

do YOU accept the actual tree is still the same size and the representation of the diagram shows a full sized tree, at distance XX, and the light rays being the arrowed lines, and the gap between the arrowed is the "field of view"?
« Last Edit: April 07, 2021, 11:17:33 AM by Themightykabool »