What would change your mind?

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4170 on: April 05, 2021, 01:37:47 AM »

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4171 on: April 05, 2021, 02:29:46 AM »
The drawing is 2 dimensional your mirror picture is 3 dimensional. It is retarded to think one applies to the other. You are retarded, so maybe you could show us how it works?
No, it isn't retarded to think one applies to the other. He is trying to do it to pretend the mirrors are smaller.

It is quite easy to do honestly, as I did above.
here it is again (but only 1 set of reflections, rather than loads more:


But what he provided a picture of shows what he really wants. He wants to pretend the mirrors are some how smaller.
It's not pretending. It's what the mirrors are by sight.
Each mirror image is compressed into the next to become a vanishing point.
Call it whatever you want, it is still you making up excuses to ignore the point.
Notice how with my diagram, the mirror is not magically smaller.
Instead you have the light reflect between the mirrors to take up a smaller angular span?
Something similar happens with the tree as it gets further away, where it takes up a smaller angular span.

And like I have pointed out repeatedly, the same thing happens with the distance between your eye-level and the ground. As the ground is further away, the same distance takes up a smaller angular span.

Again, a simple diagram showing the light which has reflected off the tree and is going towards the eye:


No need for any magically compressed tree.
Just simple lines, showing the path of light.

You use angles and then you used a horizontal and parallel view.
I said that was the one but the view is compressed and you lot then go into all kinds of frenzies.
Because you are contradicting yourself.
If it is parallel, that means all you see is that portion of the tree.
I have provided diagram showing how the light gets from the bottom of the tree to the eye. It doesn't magically get compressed.
This shows this "fluted" view you keep rejecting.

This is all so you can maintain your rejection of reality, where you reject that the light from the ground can still go into the tube, as it comes up from below; while not sounding complete insane by saying you would only see 1 inch of the tree.
The problem is it is a direct contradiction.

That "fluted torch like views" that you continually reject are simply the limits from which the light can come in.

Again, if you think we are wrong, draw a diagram, or explain what magic stops the light coming up from below.

When you have people putting up all kinds of stuff to twist and turn everything then don't be surprised when you end up building your own birds nest of confusion.
Have you considered stop putting up all that nonsense which you twist and turn to try to prop up your failed model and failed claims?
Then perhaps people would be less confused.
You can hardly fault others when you repeatedly contradict yourself.

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4172 on: April 05, 2021, 04:50:47 AM »

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4173 on: April 05, 2021, 04:52:27 AM »
Now all you have to do is to look at what is perceived from that picture instead of us looking at it from a side view.

The clue is in those mirrors.

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4174 on: April 05, 2021, 05:21:29 AM »

Bingo.

Wow

WOW!

You realise the tree represents the actaul tree and SHOULD be full size.

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4175 on: April 05, 2021, 05:21:51 AM »

Bingo.

Now all you have to do is explain how it works for a tree more than 1 inch tall that is on the ground and not floating in the air.

Use mirrors to explain it.

The result is the same as this

You were getting there and then lost it.
Put more effort in.

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4176 on: April 05, 2021, 05:24:53 AM »

Bingo.

Wow

WOW!

You realise the tree represents the actaul tree and SHOULD be full size.
The tree is physically always full size.
The distant vision of it compresses that size.

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4177 on: April 05, 2021, 05:34:17 AM »

Bingo.

Wow

WOW!

You realise the tree represents the actaul tree and SHOULD be full size.
The tree is physically always full size.
The distant vision of it compresses that size.

No sht.
This is amazing.

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4178 on: April 05, 2021, 05:36:00 AM »
Don't just insult me penguin. Explain it. Tells why the tree physically shrinks. Tell me how the to pictures are different.


If two people look at the same tree from different distances how does the tree know what size to be?
It doesn't. The vision of each person dictates the compression of the tree from their respective distances.

It has nothing to do with changing the tree itself.

Pretty scary you ask this mind.

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4179 on: April 05, 2021, 05:36:38 AM »

Bingo.

Wow

WOW!

You realise the tree represents the actaul tree and SHOULD be full size.
The tree is physically always full size.
The distant vision of it compresses that size.

No sht.
This is amazing.
At least you now get it.

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4180 on: April 05, 2021, 05:57:57 AM »


All the trees are the same size.
Now you're getting it.

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4181 on: April 05, 2021, 06:22:26 AM »
Maybe this would help
 

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As funny as that sketch is, it's the truth.

Have a good think about it while you're laughing at the sketch and me.

And this is a perfect example why I keep coming back here. This is amazing.
It is amazing if you use your brain.

Watching you take a parody seriously is more fun.

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4182 on: April 05, 2021, 06:25:49 AM »
Sceppy must be a computer ai

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4183 on: April 05, 2021, 06:40:48 AM »
Ok i think i got it

https://images.app.goo.gl/nWrCq3VrZ2MpKda27


Pin hole cameras
Your eyeball is a pinhole camera
The closer the objext the large the angles and resulting area on the back surface = far tree looks small

This is worded and diagrammed.
Cant possibly find fault with this...

Oh man so excited

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4184 on: April 05, 2021, 06:50:00 AM »

No they're not.
Compression sees to that.

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4185 on: April 05, 2021, 06:53:56 AM »
After all the dodging and by having someone else do all the work. We finally have an understanding of how sceppy thinks we see, through a tube at the least. We can plainly see that it is wrong. He can plainly see that it is wrong. I don't think sceppy really believes it but he sees it as a dodge for being able to see the ground, but for that to work we are back to flying trees.
 or
Not flying trees, at all.


Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4186 on: April 05, 2021, 07:08:43 AM »

Bingo.

you said bingo to this picture
then used your words to contradict.
time to provide your own picture

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4187 on: April 05, 2021, 08:46:01 AM »
Ok i think i got it

https://images.app.goo.gl/nWrCq3VrZ2MpKda27


Pin hole cameras
Your eyeball is a pinhole camera
The closer the objext the large the angles and resulting area on the back surface = far tree looks small

This is worded and diagrammed.
Cant possibly find fault with this...

Oh man so excited



https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.schoolphysics.co.uk%2Fage11-14%2FLight%2Ftext%2FPinhole_camera%2Findex.html&psig=AOvVaw1ERI34OazfIkx6vg-yQ4mH&ust=1617723888023000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCJjk55655-8CFQAAAAAdAAAAABAF


bored's gone off the edge... (or the theoretical dark on light reflecting crush of haze or something...)


let's refocus on pinholes.

as opposed to glory holes.


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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4188 on: April 05, 2021, 09:44:41 AM »

Bingo.

you said bingo to this picture
then used your words to contradict.
time to provide your own picture
Because the parallel  and even sight is correct if viewed from the side.
What your eyes perceive is the converging effect, like looking down a funnel but that not being the reality.

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4189 on: April 05, 2021, 09:45:37 AM »


Note that the gradient is extremely steep. Close to 45 degrees but the strange scaling atmospheric reflection over distance creating a compression in that distance all the way back to your vision, where the light takes precedence makes it appear less.
This would not be the case.

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4190 on: April 05, 2021, 09:47:31 AM »

No they're not.
Compression sees to that.

They very much look parallel and I certainly drew them parallel.
Nothing wrong with that apart from you having the tube high off the ground and the tree high off the ground.


Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4191 on: April 05, 2021, 10:05:27 AM »
Eyes

Eyes!!!!

How do you believe eyeballs work!!!!????

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4192 on: April 05, 2021, 10:25:30 AM »
fluted compression of reflected vision - aka cross eyed




aahaha
sorry bored, you're surrounded by assholes
haha

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4193 on: April 05, 2021, 10:27:15 AM »
Ok i think i got it

https://images.app.goo.gl/nWrCq3VrZ2MpKda27


Pin hole cameras
Your eyeball is a pinhole camera
The closer the objext the large the angles and resulting area on the back surface = far tree looks small

This is worded and diagrammed.
Cant possibly find fault with this...

Oh man so excited



https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.schoolphysics.co.uk%2Fage11-14%2FLight%2Ftext%2FPinhole_camera%2Findex.html&psig=AOvVaw1ERI34OazfIkx6vg-yQ4mH&ust=1617723888023000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCJjk55655-8CFQAAAAAdAAAAABAF


bored's gone off the edge... (or the theoretical dark on light reflecting crush of haze or something...)


let's refocus on pinholes.

as opposed to glory holes.


we know he doesn't believe spaceballs exist are are CGI nonsense.
is sceppy of the opinion (OPINION) that EYEballs don't exist?

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4194 on: April 05, 2021, 02:35:44 PM »

Bingo.
And a pure fantasy with no connection to reality.
Why is the tree floating in mid air?
Why is it tiny?

If you want to say you are just showing the visual compression, then why hasn't the distance from the eye line to the ground been compressed?

Again, this is a more honest representation if you want to play this game:

Notice how the ground curves up as well?

Or do you need it coloured and set up like the previous ones?

Showing how the more distant something is, the smaller it appears.
INCLUDING THE DISTANCE FROM YOUR EYE LINE TO THE GROUND!
Again, YOU CAN SEE THE GROUND!

As for what you see instead of the side view, that would be like on the right side of that image (bound between the purple lines).
You see the tree and the ground.

It has nothing to do with changing the tree itself.
Pretty scary you ask this mind.
No, the "scary" part is you thinking that in order to accurate represent it from a side view and show what is happening you need to shrink the tree.
But we both know why that is. Doing it honestly would mean admitting that you can see the ground, and you can't have that.
I already provided how to explain it all honestly.
The further away an object is, the smaller an angle it will subtend, all based upon the light following straight lines from the object to the eye.
There is no need to shrink the tree.
I could even do it with 2 different observers instead of 2 different trees.


No they're not.
Now you are starting to get it.
Because they aren't parallel, it means they are actually "fluted" like you keep dismissing.

Try drawing the side view diagram, properly too scale showing just how far apart those lines are.

Not flying trees, at all.
So you admit you can see the ground at the base of the tree through the tube?
You admit you can see the ground, even though it is BELOW the tube?

Because the parallel  and even sight is correct if viewed from the side.
No, the parallel is correct when viewed from the front, where instead of lines, they appear as points, where the points subtend a particular angle.
When viewed from the side, as a side on view like what has been shown to you repeatedly, they are not parallel.
Instead they diverge.

What your eyes perceive is the converging effect, like looking down a funnel but that not being the reality.
Yes, just like in the diagrams repeatedly provided to you. But you seem to want to force that convergence into reality rather than it merely being a visual effect.
By demanding the tree is drawn small instead of its actual size, you are trying to make that convergence part of reality.
« Last Edit: April 05, 2021, 02:43:26 PM by JackBlack »

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4195 on: April 06, 2021, 01:08:10 AM »

Bingo.
And a pure fantasy with no connection to reality.
Why is the tree floating in mid air?
Why is it tiny?

If you want to say you are just showing the visual compression, then why hasn't the distance from the eye line to the ground been compressed?

Again, this is a more honest representation if you want to play this game:

Notice how the ground curves up as well?

Or do you need it coloured and set up like the previous ones?

Showing how the more distant something is, the smaller it appears.
INCLUDING THE DISTANCE FROM YOUR EYE LINE TO THE GROUND!
Again, YOU CAN SEE THE GROUND!

As for what you see instead of the side view, that would be like on the right side of that image (bound between the purple lines).
You see the tree and the ground.

It has nothing to do with changing the tree itself.
Pretty scary you ask this mind.
No, the "scary" part is you thinking that in order to accurate represent it from a side view and show what is happening you need to shrink the tree.
But we both know why that is. Doing it honestly would mean admitting that you can see the ground, and you can't have that.
I already provided how to explain it all honestly.
The further away an object is, the smaller an angle it will subtend, all based upon the light following straight lines from the object to the eye.
There is no need to shrink the tree.
I could even do it with 2 different observers instead of 2 different trees.


No they're not.
Now you are starting to get it.
Because they aren't parallel, it means they are actually "fluted" like you keep dismissing.

Try drawing the side view diagram, properly too scale showing just how far apart those lines are.

Not flying trees, at all.
So you admit you can see the ground at the base of the tree through the tube?
You admit you can see the ground, even though it is BELOW the tube?

Because the parallel  and even sight is correct if viewed from the side.
No, the parallel is correct when viewed from the front, where instead of lines, they appear as points, where the points subtend a particular angle.
When viewed from the side, as a side on view like what has been shown to you repeatedly, they are not parallel.
Instead they diverge.

What your eyes perceive is the converging effect, like looking down a funnel but that not being the reality.
Yes, just like in the diagrams repeatedly provided to you. But you seem to want to force that convergence into reality rather than it merely being a visual effect.
By demanding the tree is drawn small instead of its actual size, you are trying to make that convergence part of reality.
If you pay attention, I asked that bored alt to lower the tree and tube.
The lines are ok for a side view but the front view from the tube creates a different set up, meaning it creates a convergence to the object itself, meaning you look down a perceived funnel vision even though you're looking through a real tunnel vision.


Basically the distance is compressed by vision, not physically, obviously.

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4196 on: April 06, 2021, 01:30:33 AM »
If you pay attention, I asked that bored alt to lower the tree and tube.
No you didn't you lying little bitch.
Nothing wrong with that apart from you having the tube high off the ground and the tree high off the ground.
That is just you having a sook, it's not you asking me to do anything.

and my reply was

How can you judge how high the tube is. If scale was a thing  then the tube is only 1 inch   high and the tree needs to be 30 feet in the air or it will be below your line of sight.
If this doesn't make sense then your model doesn't make sense.

So how high do you think the tube is? What if we wanted to draw it to scale so we could be sure? You will have to do that one for your self penguin
You're not interested. You said so.
You're here to create trouble. You said so.

Let me know when you want to join in.

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4197 on: April 06, 2021, 02:45:16 AM »
If you pay attention, I asked that bored alt to lower the tree and tube.
Which is just avoiding the problem.

The lines are ok for a side view
Then why continue to object?
Why not just accept it and move on.

you look down a perceived funnel vision even though you're looking through a real tunnel vision.
No, you look through a real funnel vision which is perceived as a tunnel vision.
In reality, you have a FOV which subtends some angle.
That is the funnel vision you seem to hate so much.

But regardless of what fancy words you want to try to wrap it up in, you can see the ground.
That is what all this has been about remember?
Who really cares if it is a real funnel vision or just perceived.
The fact remains, you CAN see the ground, even though it is below the tube.

So are you going to just admit that and move on?

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4198 on: April 06, 2021, 04:28:49 AM »
If you pay attention, I asked that bored alt to lower the tree and tube.
The lines are ok for a side view but the front view from the tube creates a different set up, meaning it creates a convergence to the object itself, meaning you look down a perceived funnel vision even though you're looking through a real tunnel vision.


Basically the distance is compressed by vision, not physically, obviously.


"By visionn not.physically"

Obviously

And obviously everyone but you understood the pictures original intent that by physically, it was showing what was phsuically able to see by drawing the rays of light and distance and field of view.

Obviously.... just not to you.

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #4199 on: April 06, 2021, 04:32:35 AM »
Ok i think i got it

https://images.app.goo.gl/nWrCq3VrZ2MpKda27


Pin hole cameras
Your eyeball is a pinhole camera
The closer the objext the large the angles and resulting area on the back surface = far tree looks small

This is worded and diagrammed.
Cant possibly find fault with this...

Oh man so excited



https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.schoolphysics.co.uk%2Fage11-14%2FLight%2Ftext%2FPinhole_camera%2Findex.html&psig=AOvVaw1ERI34OazfIkx6vg-yQ4mH&ust=1617723888023000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCJjk55655-8CFQAAAAAdAAAAABAF


bored's gone off the edge... (or the theoretical dark on light reflecting crush of haze or something...)


let's refocus on pinholes.

as opposed to glory holes.


we know he doesn't believe spaceballs exist are are CGI nonsense.
is sceppy of the opinion (OPINION) that EYEballs don't exist?


And HERE it is if you wanted to represent what is seen by the eye, this will give you your answer to go along with jackBs angular-distance graph.

Youve responded several times to other peopl.
Why
Why is the pinhole being ignored?
Address this.