What would change your mind?

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #3030 on: January 16, 2021, 04:57:16 AM »

No! We are not dealing with a level tube, and you said to stick to 1 specific thing.

Then sit back and chat to someone else and leave it.

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #3031 on: January 16, 2021, 04:58:17 AM »


Do you yet have any reasons for constantly calling me a liar


Yep. Already given. Take notice.

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #3032 on: January 16, 2021, 05:16:00 AM »


Do you yet have any reasons for constantly calling me a liar


Yep. Already given. Take notice.

This seems to be a very common tactic with Flat Earthers. When you can't answer a question, claim you did but never point out where. Always some excuse as to why you are unable to do so.

Where exactly did you show that my pictures are falsified?  All you have done is claim they can't possibly be true because you say so.  ::)

And where are your experimental pictures? Why can't you post them? Do you not know how? Is it too hard? You seem very desperate to ignore this question.

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #3033 on: January 16, 2021, 05:29:36 AM »
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This seems to be a very common tactic with Flat Earthers.
The common tactic with people like you is to do a pretence of an experiment and pass it off as reality, then wait for the "bravo bravo" from your like-minded internet buddies and then go into raptures when you're called out on it.
A smug start and now you're down to this.
Try and work from your own set up and stop relying on getting your back rubbed.

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #3034 on: January 16, 2021, 06:13:48 AM »
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This seems to be a very common tactic with Flat Earthers.
The common tactic with people like you is to do a pretence of an experiment and pass it off as reality, then wait for the "bravo bravo" from your like-minded internet buddies and then go into raptures when you're called out on it.
A smug start and now you're down to this.
Try and work from your own set up and stop relying on getting your back rubbed.

So, you don't have any excuse for not showing your own well designed and carefully carried out experimental pictures?

Not even going to try, just going to keep ignoring it.  That's a pretty deep hole you dug yourself, but it's a nice place to hide down there isn't it?

So you call me a liar again, and once more fail to back it up with anything. 

If you need help setting up your experiment, try asking an adult for help. I'm sure you can find someone to explain how to look through a tube and take pictures of it.

If you're confused, an experiment looking through a tube looks like this...


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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #3035 on: January 16, 2021, 06:22:29 AM »

 That's a pretty deep hole you dug yourself, but it's a nice place to hide down there isn't it?

I'm on solid ground and in full view. I have no need to hide...unlike your attempts to swerve.

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #3036 on: January 16, 2021, 06:29:37 AM »
Scepoy

Youce already been told what the curvature is and the gradient is not NOT such the angle is greater than the field of view.

Keep saying the initilaly flawed premise over and over.
Doesnt change this.

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #3037 on: January 16, 2021, 06:30:08 AM »

So
What
Is
The
Point?
The point is, you cannot see down a curve by using a level tube without having angled lenses.
That's the point. The point I've been making all along.
That point.
You know the one that you fail to see and understand, every time?






By his diagram i assume he is in hopes that the ground angle is such that it dips at auch a hard angle the scope will block this by XX distance.
He even added an arbitrary 5ft to make sure his double tube has sufficient length to block the FIELD OF VIEW.

I assume this is his goal or point rhough he refuses to admit one.

That would mean though, if all lines extend straight, the viewer is on a fricking mountain that extends forever, not a ball earth.

I assume this to be his trick




Edit:
Ha i see jackB has beaten me to it



Aaah we finally have an admission and restatmeent of the goal!!!
Only took a week.
Here it is sceppy.
Answer to your stupid tu-tube-vertical plumb test 9pg ago.
The earth is not curving away from you in a manner that the curve is beyond the field of view of a toilet tube.
And as youve self admitted and in reality, the higher elevation you go, the further to the horizon you can see - which matches the geometry of a ball.
This is pure geometry and has nothing to do with dupes or cgi or indoctrination.

Its fking circles and triangles.

Your 1inch was disproven long time ago so you pivot to this needless plumb level (horz AND vert for added difficulty) requirement.

Hopefully we can all deny you your 100pg unless you have some more thoughts and insight you feel kike adding.
Because last 15pg have been completr dodges on your part.

Here it is again.
JackBs diagram.
We re not standing on a mountain.
Its a giant ball.

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #3038 on: January 16, 2021, 06:41:12 AM »
Scepoy

Youce already been told what the curvature is and the gradient is not NOT such the angle is greater than the field of view.

Keep saying the initilaly flawed premise over and over.
Doesnt change this.
You've also been told.

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #3039 on: January 16, 2021, 06:41:52 AM »

So
What
Is
The
Point?
The point is, you cannot see down a curve by using a level tube without having angled lenses.
That's the point. The point I've been making all along.
That point.
You know the one that you fail to see and understand, every time?






By his diagram i assume he is in hopes that the ground angle is such that it dips at auch a hard angle the scope will block this by XX distance.
He even added an arbitrary 5ft to make sure his double tube has sufficient length to block the FIELD OF VIEW.

I assume this is his goal or point rhough he refuses to admit one.

That would mean though, if all lines extend straight, the viewer is on a fricking mountain that extends forever, not a ball earth.

I assume this to be his trick




Edit:
Ha i see jackB has beaten me to it



Aaah we finally have an admission and restatmeent of the goal!!!
Only took a week.
Here it is sceppy.
Answer to your stupid tu-tube-vertical plumb test 9pg ago.
The earth is not curving away from you in a manner that the curve is beyond the field of view of a toilet tube.
And as youve self admitted and in reality, the higher elevation you go, the further to the horizon you can see - which matches the geometry of a ball.
This is pure geometry and has nothing to do with dupes or cgi or indoctrination.

Its fking circles and triangles.

Your 1inch was disproven long time ago so you pivot to this needless plumb level (horz AND vert for added difficulty) requirement.

Hopefully we can all deny you your 100pg unless you have some more thoughts and insight you feel kike adding.
Because last 15pg have been completr dodges on your part.

Here it is again.
JackBs diagram.
We re not standing on a mountain.
Its a giant ball.
Like this?

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #3040 on: January 16, 2021, 06:42:25 AM »

 That's a pretty deep hole you dug yourself, but it's a nice place to hide down there isn't it?

I'm on solid ground and in full view. I have no need to hide...unlike your attempts to swerve.

I'm the one posting actual pictures of actual experiments.

You're the one too afraid to even explain why you won't post any of yours.

You have a SERIOUS case of projection going on here.

So... will you put pictures of your experiment on full view?  I'm going to guess... no.  The reason?  Take a guess.

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #3041 on: January 16, 2021, 06:43:58 AM »
Scepoy

Youce already been told what the curvature is and the gradient is not NOT such the angle is greater than the field of view.

Keep saying the initilaly flawed premise over and over.
Doesnt change this.
You've also been told.


Is this a real argument? You realize you are forcing the round earth’s 3D system to conform to a 2D drawing, right?
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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #3042 on: January 16, 2021, 06:44:43 AM »
Like this?


Once again you seem to think we see in one dimension.

That's not how eyes work.  It's not how any of this works.

We see more than a dot, or a line.  We have an entire field of view.  Look it up.

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #3043 on: January 16, 2021, 06:44:55 AM »


I'm the one posting actual (doctored) pictures of actual experiments.


Before you carry on you need to do two things.

1. Stop acting like someone that requires back rubbing from globalists.

2. Start being honest with yourself and the people you are doing your experiments for.

Simple enough.

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #3044 on: January 16, 2021, 06:45:58 AM »
Scepoy

Youce already been told what the curvature is and the gradient is not NOT such the angle is greater than the field of view.

Keep saying the initilaly flawed premise over and over.
Doesnt change this.
You've also been told.


Is this a real argument? You realize you are forcing the round earth’s 3D system to conform to a 2D drawing, right?
The 2d drawing covers any set up on a ball, so what's your point?

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #3045 on: January 16, 2021, 06:46:53 AM »
Like this?


Once again you seem to think we see in one dimension.

That's not how eyes work.  It's not how any of this works.

We see more than a dot, or a line.  We have an entire field of view.  Look it up.
Not inside a small tube you don't.

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JJA

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #3046 on: January 16, 2021, 06:59:47 AM »


I'm the one posting actual (doctored) pictures of actual experiments.


Before you carry on you need to do two things.

1. Stop acting like someone that requires back rubbing from globalists.

2. Start being honest with yourself and the people you are doing your experiments for.

Simple enough.

So do you have anything to add to your low-content posts other than just constantly calling me a liar? 

You still haven't given ANY reasons. The closest is you claiming you did, but you didn't.

Where are your pictures of your perfectly performed experiment?  Did the dog eat your homework?

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #3047 on: January 16, 2021, 07:00:53 AM »
Like this?


Once again you seem to think we see in one dimension.

That's not how eyes work.  It's not how any of this works.

We see more than a dot, or a line.  We have an entire field of view.  Look it up.
Not inside a small tube you don't.

Do you even comprehend the words you read and type?

Yes, you still have a field of view inside a tube.  It's not a one dimensional view.  Have you EVER actually looked through a tube?  What is it you imagine you see, a dot?  ::)

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #3048 on: January 16, 2021, 07:26:40 AM »
Theres nothing wrong with a 2d representation.

Hwoever.
If you note sceppys astrix says "not to scale".
If he did it to scale, or found one of the manymany 3d sims and 2d drawing he would then have to admit the field of view.

So.
Still failure to acknowledge the actual model and push a false argument

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #3049 on: January 16, 2021, 08:08:09 AM »
We see more than a dot, or a line.  We have an entire field of view.  Look it up.



Do you even comprehend the words you read and type?

Yes, you still have a field of view inside a tube.  It's not a one dimensional view.  Have you EVER actually looked through a tube?  What is it you imagine you see, a dot?  ::)
I see a very small field of view.
Not the entire field of view you make out.

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #3050 on: January 16, 2021, 08:18:22 AM »
Scepoy

Youce already been told what the curvature is and the gradient is not NOT such the angle is greater than the field of view.

Keep saying the initilaly flawed premise over and over.
Doesnt change this.
You've also been told.


Is this a real argument? You realize you are forcing the round earth’s 3D system to conform to a 2D drawing, right?
The 2d drawing covers any set up on a ball, so what's your point?
It only covers people on one longitude at roughly 12am.
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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #3051 on: January 16, 2021, 08:29:04 AM »
Scepoy

Youce already been told what the curvature is and the gradient is not NOT such the angle is greater than the field of view.

Keep saying the initilaly flawed premise over and over.
Doesnt change this.
You've also been told.


Is this a real argument? You realize you are forcing the round earth’s 3D system to conform to a 2D drawing, right?
The 2d drawing covers any set up on a ball, so what's your point?
It only covers people on one longitude at roughly 12am.
12am?

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #3052 on: January 16, 2021, 08:41:05 AM »
So according to scepppy people only see in 1dim and cant look down.
52pg ago this was addressed.

People actaully have a field of view, looking through a tube doesnt refute this and his diagram doesnt cause any disruption to the ball earth model.

So
Still nothing new.

If you have confusion lets have it.
But you javent brought up any new points except the originally refuted one.

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #3053 on: January 16, 2021, 08:46:02 AM »
We see more than a dot, or a line.  We have an entire field of view.  Look it up.



Do you even comprehend the words you read and type?

Yes, you still have a field of view inside a tube.  It's not a one dimensional view.  Have you EVER actually looked through a tube?  What is it you imagine you see, a dot?  ::)
I see a very small field of view.
Not the entire field of view you make out.

Oh, so you admit there is a field of view.  Not sure what you mean by "entire field of view" though.

But if there is a field of view, it will show things above, below and to the sides of the tube. 

The ground is below the tube, if you recall.  Like the ground shown in my picture.



Speaking of pictures...  where are your experiment pictures?


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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #3054 on: January 16, 2021, 08:46:19 AM »
So according to scepppy people only see in 1dim and cant look down.
52pg ago this was addressed.

People actaully have a field of view, looking through a tube doesnt refute this and his diagram doesnt cause any disruption to the ball earth model.

So
Still nothing new.

If you have confusion lets have it.
But you javent brought up any new points except the originally refuted one.
I see you've went right back to the start.
groundhogkabool.

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #3055 on: January 16, 2021, 08:52:28 AM »


Oh, so you admit there is a field of view.  Not sure what you mean by "entire field of view" though.



I always said there was a field of view but I said it was restricted depending on what you were looking through without wide angled lenses.
Maybe you forgot all of that and took a leaf out of groundhogkabool's book.

You're not sure what I mean with entire field of view? You were the one that said it.
Quote from: JJA
But if there is a field of view, it will show things above, below and to the sides of the tube. 
If there's reflected light hitting it, yes.

In terms of a thin tube you will not see any ground on a downward gradient if that tube is set level.

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #3056 on: January 16, 2021, 08:56:32 AM »
So according to scepppy people only see in 1dim and cant look down.
52pg ago this was addressed.

People actaully have a field of view, looking through a tube doesnt refute this and his diagram doesnt cause any disruption to the ball earth model.

So
Still nothing new.

If you have confusion lets have it.
But you javent brought up any new points except the originally refuted one.
I see you've went right back to the start.
groundhogkabool.

We can never away from the start unless you bring up something new.

You only can insist on the original premise - which as described, again, is flawed and incorrect.

Your drawing poses no issue to round earth model and in fact proves it more so.

In your ddawing
1.
As the earth rotates, the sun will disappear from.view (if the person actually was looking at it and not just in 1dim level) bottom-up, which matches how ships and mountains and sun also disappear on the water horizon.

2.
Your diagram is self admited to not be to scale.
So go ahead and draw it to scale and post it.
Do it.
I dare you.

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #3057 on: January 16, 2021, 09:12:35 AM »


Oh, so you admit there is a field of view.  Not sure what you mean by "entire field of view" though.



I always said there was a field of view but I said it was restricted depending on what you were looking through without wide angled lenses.
Maybe you forgot all of that and took a leaf out of groundhogkabool's book.

The size and shape of the tube determines the field of view, not a lens.  You need me to take a picture through a tube without using a lens to prove it?  No lens required.

Of course if I do, you will just call me a liar and say it's faked somehow.  Whatever.

Quote from: JJA
But if there is a field of view, it will show things above, below and to the sides of the tube. 
If there's reflected light hitting it, yes.

Reflecting off what?  Nothing you see through a tube reflects off of anything. Care to explain what part of a tube is reflective?  ::)

In terms of a thin tube you will not see any ground on a downward gradient if that tube is set level.

Nope, I showed you the ground through a tube.  Anyone can do the same, it doesn't matter. You can even see the ground through a straw, you just see less of it.

So.... where are your experimental photos? Why won't you share them? Why are you so scared to show your work?

Probably because it's all wrong and doesn't actually show what you claim. Fail.





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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #3058 on: January 16, 2021, 12:47:12 PM »
Scepoy

Youce already been told what the curvature is and the gradient is not NOT such the angle is greater than the field of view.

Keep saying the initilaly flawed premise over and over.
Doesnt change this.
You've also been told.


Is this a real argument? You realize you are forcing the round earth’s 3D system to conform to a 2D drawing, right?
The 2d drawing covers any set up on a ball, so what's your point?
It only covers people on one longitude at roughly 12am.
12am?
Yes. Specially the time opposite solar moon.
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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #3059 on: January 16, 2021, 01:04:05 PM »
No! We are not dealing with a level tube, and you said to stick to 1 specific thing.
Then sit back and chat to someone else and leave it.
And yet again you have proven that you have no interest at all in any form of a rational discussion and just want to continually spout whatever BS you can.
Because you can't defend your claim, you want to run from it.
You also show that your previous claim was yet another blatant lie.

Remember this lie of yours:
If you want to start again and deal with one specific thing at a time instead of copy and pasting then I'll happily go over it.
You sure don't seem to want to happily go over it. You don't want to go over it at all.

So thanks for yet again showing you are the problem. You don't want to just stick to a specific thing. Instead you just want to discuss no more than 1 thing at a time, so you can continually jump between them to pretend you haven't been repeatedly refuted.

If you whish to try again, you get to start. So if you want to just focus on a specific issue, deal with the visual transition from the ground to the sky. But don't expect me to. You had your chance.

So no more just sticking to one point.

First, the horizon, there is no reason at all to produce a blur or a blend.
The RE, just like all other round objects, should produce a clear edge.
The only way for it to have a blend or the like is if the atmosphere stopped the light, or something got in the way. But that works for both a RE and a FE.

This means the RE does have a horizon.
And when you bother doing the math, it is at roughly 2.7 arc minutes below level if your eyes are 2 m above the level surface, easily visible through a level tube.

And while I am at it, no you hadn't told us that before. Instead it was pointed out that that is one possibility for a FE, where the atmosphere stops the light and you have a region of darkness. This was the first time you told us the RE should magically have this.

Now back to the tube that you wanted to change the topic to:
WHAT MAGIC STOPS THE BLUE LINE?
We know it can easily reach your eye without the tube.
We know the tube doesn't present any obstruction to the blue line.
So without anything to stop it, it should reach the eye. So again, what magic stops it?


And as there is nothing to stop it, that means you can see light coming in from below the tube. You have an angular FOV just like always.
And with this angular FOV, you can typically easily see the ground. But like as shown repeatedly, for a flat surface, that will depend on the gradient and the FOV; and for a round surface, that will depend on the FOV your height and the radius of the curve.

And the fact that you can see below the tube can also be easily established by simply looking at a distant object through the tube.
You can see things much larger than the tube, and thus you must be able to see above and below the tube.

Do you yet have any reasons for constantly calling me a liar
Yep. Already given. Take notice.
Your sole "reason" is that he proved you wrong.
But that just shows that you are wrong, not that he is a liar.

The common tactic with people like you
You mean a common tactic with people like you is to demand an experiment, only to dismiss it when it shows you are wrong and throw in more ridiculous demands, all while being completely incapable of doing the experiment yourself and providing the results.

But remember, we don't need your experiment. Simple logic shows you are wrong.

unlike your attempts to swerve.
You are the one trying to swerve.
We were meant to be discussing the edge of the RE and how it visually transitions, and you ran right away to a level tube.

You've also been told.

And you have been told that we don't see in 1D. So no, that is not what anyone other than you says.

Like I told you before, redraw your diagram, but this time with actual FOVs drawn in.

Not inside a small tube you don't.
Yes inside a level tube.
As repeatedly shown. Unless you can explain what magic stops the blue line.

Sure, it is a smaller angle than without the tube, but it is still an entire angular FOV, not 0, not a line.

I see you've went right back to the start.
No, you just haven't left the start.
You continue to make bold, insane assertions with literally nothing to back them up, and simple logic and diagrams showing you are wrong.

I always said there was a field of view
No, you repeatedly rejected it. FOV is based upon angles. You said you magically don't see in angle and instead magically see a line, as 1 inch of any object.

Is this a real argument? You realize you are forcing the round earth’s 3D system to conform to a 2D drawing, right?
If he is just trying to show a side view, that isn't a problem.