What would change your mind?

Here is a diagram showing why we have to set the tilt angle of an equatorial mount to match our latitude.

http://astro-tom.com/images/sk-pol1.gif

What I am asking Sceptimatic is explain is how this can work anywhere in the world (N and S of the equator) if his 100% belief that the Earth is not a globe is correct.

Here is a diagram showing why we have to set the tilt angle of an equatorial mount to match our latitude.

http://astro-tom.com/images/sk-pol1.gif

What I am asking Sceptimatic is explain is how this can work anywhere in the world (N and S of the equator) if his 100% belief that the Earth is not a globe is correct.

It can’t work on any flat world obviously, it is set up specifically in context of a spherical world geometry.  You need to be able to think in spatial terms to understand this though.

Equatorial mounts are used very successfully every day (and night) by astronomers literally all over the world. That is a fact.

So if Sceptimatics stated 100% absolute belief that the Earth is not a globe is indeed correct then I just want to know from him how they can still work as they most obviously do.

The observed celestial motions that we see every day and night are simply not compatible in any way with flat Earth belief.  Observations of the sky do not fit the theory.  That is one reason why flat Earth believers are so dismissive about astronomy. They are too pre-occupied by what you can or can't see through cardboard tubes!

Quote from: Smoke Machine on May 20, 2021, 10:15:32 AM

Sceptimatic, remember when you said a couple of pages ago: "I'd like a real-time hit from your satellite to my laptop of the place I'm standing at showing the reality of that time."

Well, I could arrange this for you if you are wearing an ankle bracelet for all those crimes you committed? Otherwise, you could confess a few of your worst crimes that have no statute of limitations, or your plans for mass extermination of globalists?

But, I'm canvassing an easier way for you, aside from turning to a life of crime.

There's "In-The-Sky.org" which is a world map of satellites above the earth's surface, and a site called, "Soar". Soar in particular boasts being readily accessible to the public and media and affording access to high definition aerial views of anywhere on earth to observe events as they happen. That's real-time, Sceptimatic!!!!   

So, imagine that! Now you can hold off on completing your man-made rocket and going where Mike Hughes tried to go! 

Give me a bit of time to learn how both work  and I'll give you easy step by step instructions so you can see yourself real-time from a satellite live feed.

Oh, and I know how much you love puzzles. I bought you a super special puzzle that you and the whole fam will enjoy!

What do I click on to get real time images of Earth?

You'll need to download the Live Earth app on that tyrannosaurus rex bone you call your phone, or home computer. Once there, click on NASA live stream earth from space. I was just watching it before, and they switched to an outside camera on the ISS  and the view showed the curvature of earth behind the ISS.

But I was thinking, what you could do is download the ISS tracker and find out when the ISS will be closest in the sky to where you are. You'll have days of notice. Then, fill up some large red helium balloons with your name drawn on them, and after calculating height rise, wind currents, etc, release the balloons so that the NASA live stream might pick up the balloons and with any luck, capture the curvature of the earth at the same time. Then presto, you're cured of your illness!

NASA livestream, alone, won't be enough to break through your heavy flat earth video brain washing. The flat earth fetish demon inside you, will fight to assert control, declaring the live stream is nothing more than cgi. You know it will.

Your typical helium balloon won't go anywhere near 400km high, the alleged height of the ISS. It also wouldn't be noticed given the ISS is alleged to be travelling 7.66km every second

Your typical helium balloon won't go anywhere near 400km high, the alleged height of the ISS. It also wouldn't be noticed given the ISS is alleged to be travelling 7.66km every second

Pessimissist! Well, what would you suggest? Perhaps he should continue his mad Mike Hughes style rocket?

Can you prove sceptimatic has lied? Just one example will do. If not, can you stop calling him a liar and concentrate on proving the earth is a globe?

Yes.
He claims the tilt would be massive. Math shows it is 0.27 degrees.
He claims the tilt would be the same as the amount hidden. This is impossible, as they have 2 different units.
He claims that the curvature of Earth would make the turbines disappear from a level view. Again, math shows this is not the case as the top of the turbines will be significantly above this level FOV while the base is below.

It is quite pointless to try to just prove the globe, while ignoring claims of a disproof of the globe. So I am focusing on exposing his blatant lies about the globe which he claims proves Earth is not a glove, as he is clearly not interested in accepting the plentiful evidence showing beyond any reasonable doubt that Earth is ~a globe.

Quote from: Shifter on May 21, 2021, 10:36:00 AM

Your typical helium balloon won't go anywhere near 400km high, the alleged height of the ISS. It also wouldn't be noticed given the ISS is alleged to be travelling 7.66km every second

Pessimissist! Well, what would you suggest? Perhaps he should continue his mad Mike Hughes style rocket?

How about an understanding of basic geometry?

Quote from: JackBlack on May 20, 2021, 05:00:56 PM

Again, the tilt is insignificant. You are not going to be able to notice that tilt.

If you were to go and do a tiling job on a long wall.

We are not talking about a tiling job on a long wall.
We are talking about if the tilt is the insignificant 0.27 degree math shows it is, which you would not be able to see; or if it is a massive tilt you would easily be able to see in an image like the one provided.

The simple fact is that you WOULD NOT SEE the tilt in that image.
The only way the curvature will be apparent in that image, is the existence of the horizon (and if you have an accurate enough tool, the angle of dip to the horizon, but that image does not provide that) and the fact that the turbines appear to have sunk into the water such that the base is obstructed by this level water.

Again, care to answer the trivial questions which show you are wrong yet?
how far below the tube can an object at 1 mile distance be, in order to still be visible through the tube?
Can you see the base of a tree at 1 mile distance, if the base of the tree is 6 ft below the level of the tube?
Again, what magic prevents us from seeing the RE through a level tube?
Again, what should the tilt be (provide a number with units and math justifying it) for an object 30 km away?
How much of such an object should be hidden at a 30 km distance, if you are standing 2 m above the RE?

Ok, so we have "spins in a circle."
Care to elaborate or maybe you and solarwind can corroborate...eh?

Again, you have already had an elaboration.

Everything in the sky appears to trace a circle. The axis of rotation, i.e. the axis these points appear to trace a circle around, is tilted w.r.t. Earth, with the tilt varying as you move around Earth, specifically with your latitude.

It is this latter part, with the inclination of the axis of rotation varying around Earth which means Earth can't be flat and instead shows Earth is round.

If Earth was flat, that angle would be the same EVERYWHERE!
And if the stars were close, rather than very far away, they would only appear to trace circles for those quite close to the actual axis. Again, this is where scale matters.
With the RE model, which can accurately describe reality, the nearest star is the sun, which is ~150 000 000 km away, which makes the maximum distance from the axis (6371 km) look like nothing.
But for the commonly promoted FE model, where the stars are only 5000 km above us, the ~20 000 km radius of Earth is very significant.
And if you try to keep them as circles by putting them all far away, then everyone should see the same sky at the same time, rather than it varying with where on Earth you are.

Tell me this. How could you tile a 20 mile, 10 foot high long wall at 5 foot start and end up with the same gap between each tile on your globe?

And there you go with more deflections.
Firstly, is this just an entirely hypothetical question, to which the answer doesn't matter at all? Or are you actually going to try to use it to allegedly refute the globe?
All you need to do it is to ever so slightly tilt the tiles as you move along the wall.
Just how large are the tiles?
Unless you are dealing with absolutely massive tiles, made to extremely high tolerances, you will likely need to tilt them less than the error in the tiles in your ability to position them.

For example, taking quite a large tile, being 1 m wide, do you know the difference in angle between 2 adjacent tiles?
Well the math is trivial, 1 m * 360 degrees / 40000 km=1 m * 360 degrees / 40000000 m = 0.000009 degrees. Or to express it differently, that is 0.0324 arc seconds.
It is tiny. You will notice that at all, and common tiles are tilted more.

Do you know how much more separated they would be at the top than the bottom?
If you had the tiles at the bottom just touching, then the distance at the top would be? For simplicity I will change it to a 10 m tall wall, tiled from 5 m.
(10 m - 5 m) * 1 m / (6371 km + 5m) =  5 m * 1 m / 6371005 m = 7.848e-7 m = 784 nm.
The tolerance of the tiles will not be good enough to notice that difference.

Again, stop pretending Earth is a tiny ball you can hold in your hand. It is MASSIVE. This makes the curvature quite small, and it will not produce issues for tiling a wall.

I've got better things to do than to explain things in detail to you which you can find out for yourself.  I know that equatorial mounts work very successfully all over the world.  That is an ice cold fact.

I have no argument about them working. My argument is what they are working to show.

What I don't understand is how that could be true in your world based on what you believe the shape of the world to be.

It seems to me to be very easy. It's a so called star tracker or in reality a point of light tracker.

If you don't know how they work then go away and find out.

I have.

There's plenty of information already out there which tells you so me explaining to you would just be me repeating all that.

Yep, there is and none show a globe reality but they do show CGI of a globe and mount.

  Then once you've worked it out then come back and explain it to me.

A moving scope on Earth tracking moving lights in the sky, passed off as a mount that supposedly takes out the Earth's spin.

The Earth has a polar axis which is the axis around which it rotates.

Explain how you know this to be a fact?

An equatorial mount has a polar axis so if you align the polar axis of the mount with that of the Earth it allows the mount to track the sky very accurately and very easily.
  You do that my adjusting the mount to tilt at the same angle as your latitude.  Job done.  That works regardless of your location on Earth.

And you don't have to be on a globe.

  So the mount has a latitude scale which goes from 0 degrees at the equator through to 90 degrees for the pole.  That works for both N and S of the equator which evidences that the Earth is a sphere.

No, it doesn't evidence any Earth as a sphere...and you know it.
If it did then we wouldn't be arguing it, here or anywhere.

Unless of course you can offer a different view?

Yep.
It follows points of light that are moving in the sky on a ground that is not rotating.

Feeling generous today so I will give you a starting point for your research.

Yeah I watched it all and it tells me nothing about any global proof but it does give a pretence of one.

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 21, 2021, 12:43:42 AM

Quote from: Themightykabool on May 20, 2021, 11:35:17 PM

Wow
"Off slightlty" is such a definitive value.

A 10ft wall at 0.27degree tilt would mean a tilt of 0.5in.
Massive!!!

A 100ft turbine would have a 5in tilt.

In proportion... MASSIVE!!!

Tell me this. How could you tile a 20 mile, 10 foot high long wall at 5 foot start and end up with the same gap between each tile on your globe?

Tell me this
Wheres your gap?
What IS your gap?
What does the walls disrance length have anyrhing to do with the height tilt?
Your poorly descript thought experiment makes no sense.
Try and make more sense.
What are you appealing to when all you have to do to debunk the globe earth is to show the model doesnt mafch reality = draw the circle and triangle to scale.

Are qe tilting the wall pr talking concentric circles?
Are we to interprwt your wall that a 12,750,000unit diameter circle compared to a concentric circle of 12,750,002unit diameter circle will be of any notice at 20mi (32,000units) will mean the topothewall gaps will be noticeably wider than the bottomothewall gaps?
Feel free to let us know the gapage usig these numbers

It's pretty self explanatory.

You wouldn't expect to tile a wall in a straight line of it curved and keep your tiles near mid way along the wall (10 foot wall and a 5 foot horizontal tile line) and expect those tiles to start and reach each end still in that midway position.
Your tiles would immediately start to veer off, even by the slight amount and even if the wall was tiled at both ends.
This would mean your end tiles for both ends would miss that wall as they  were lined with equal gaps or even butted together.

It means your eye view of them would see them both form a peak, assuming you had to build a peak in order to cater for those tiles angling up towards each other.


This would be your line of sight on your globe. It means you lose your level sight on your globe.
It also shows you there is no horizon and also no distant objects in your view.

Only those willing to use logic will understand this.
I fully expect you not to understand it.

Here is a diagram showing why we have to set the tilt angle of an equatorial mount to match our latitude.

http://astro-tom.com/images/sk-pol1.gif

What I am asking Sceptimatic is explain is how this can work anywhere in the world (N and S of the equator) if his 100% belief that the Earth is not a globe is correct.

If everything is moving over and around us in the sky then you are tracking that from wherever you are tracking it and setting your mount to achieve that.
Not difficult, is it?
It's only difficult if you actually believe your mount is taking into account, an Earth spin as you people believe, so believing that will naturally render your thoughts on anything else as, non comprendo.

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 20, 2021, 09:11:49 PM

Quote from: Smoke Machine on May 20, 2021, 10:15:32 AM

Sceptimatic, remember when you said a couple of pages ago: "I'd like a real-time hit from your satellite to my laptop of the place I'm standing at showing the reality of that time."

Well, I could arrange this for you if you are wearing an ankle bracelet for all those crimes you committed? Otherwise, you could confess a few of your worst crimes that have no statute of limitations, or your plans for mass extermination of globalists?

But, I'm canvassing an easier way for you, aside from turning to a life of crime.

There's "In-The-Sky.org" which is a world map of satellites above the earth's surface, and a site called, "Soar". Soar in particular boasts being readily accessible to the public and media and affording access to high definition aerial views of anywhere on earth to observe events as they happen. That's real-time, Sceptimatic!!!!   

So, imagine that! Now you can hold off on completing your man-made rocket and going where Mike Hughes tried to go! 

Give me a bit of time to learn how both work  and I'll give you easy step by step instructions so you can see yourself real-time from a satellite live feed.

Oh, and I know how much you love puzzles. I bought you a super special puzzle that you and the whole fam will enjoy!

What do I click on to get real time images of Earth?

You'll need to download the Live Earth app on that tyrannosaurus rex bone you call your phone, or home computer. Once there, click on NASA live stream earth from space. I was just watching it before, and they switched to an outside camera on the ISS  and the view showed the curvature of earth behind the ISS.

But I was thinking, what you could do is download the ISS tracker and find out when the ISS will be closest in the sky to where you are. You'll have days of notice. Then, fill up some large red helium balloons with your name drawn on them, and after calculating height rise, wind currents, etc, release the balloons so that the NASA live stream might pick up the balloons and with any luck, capture the curvature of the earth at the same time. Then presto, you're cured of your illness!

NASA livestream, alone, won't be enough to break through your heavy flat earth video brain washing. The flat earth fetish demon inside you, will fight to assert control, declaring the live stream is nothing more than cgi. You know it will.

You can nail your global Earth if you show me where I can see live satellite images of Earth at any point I choose and be able to home in on actual reality of the time, not 3 months ago, not 1 month ago or not even a day ago.
As is.
Is there anything that can show this with the supposed technology we have today?

We are not talking about a tiling job on a long wall.

I am.
Why?
Because it's about applying logic to your so called curve and your use of degrees by using your entire globe as a full on degree calculator of curve.

So the easy way is to understand starting a perfectly horizontal tiling jon on a 20 mile long wall.

Have 2 people start at each end at the same height start and tile away towards the centre of that wall.
Do you think those tiles would meet each other in that centre or would they both immediately start to follow the wall which you argue would be curved to those points.


Your tiles would not meet in the centre of the wall unless that wall was added like a gable wall.

Let me tell you this.
If you're doing a small tiling job on a wall and you are slightly off and have no tolerance to adjust....your wall is knackered for aesthetic view.

Your globe is nonsense. It really is.

Quote from: Themightykabool on May 21, 2021, 01:51:56 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 21, 2021, 12:43:42 AM

Quote from: Themightykabool on May 20, 2021, 11:35:17 PM

Wow
"Off slightlty" is such a definitive value.

A 10ft wall at 0.27degree tilt would mean a tilt of 0.5in.
Massive!!!

A 100ft turbine would have a 5in tilt.

In proportion... MASSIVE!!!

Tell me this. How could you tile a 20 mile, 10 foot high long wall at 5 foot start and end up with the same gap between each tile on your globe?

Tell me this
Wheres your gap?
What IS your gap?
What does the walls disrance length have anyrhing to do with the height tilt?
Your poorly descript thought experiment makes no sense.
Try and make more sense.
What are you appealing to when all you have to do to debunk the globe earth is to show the model doesnt mafch reality = draw the circle and triangle to scale.

Are qe tilting the wall pr talking concentric circles?
Are we to interprwt your wall that a 12,750,000unit diameter circle compared to a concentric circle of 12,750,002unit diameter circle will be of any notice at 20mi (32,000units) will mean the topothewall gaps will be noticeably wider than the bottomothewall gaps?
Feel free to let us know the gapage usig these numbers

It's pretty self explanatory.

You wouldn't expect to tile a wall in a straight line of it curved and keep your tiles near mid way along the wall (10 foot wall and a 5 foot horizontal tile line) and expect those tiles to start and reach each end still in that midway position.
Your tiles would immediately start to veer off, even by the slight amount and even if the wall was tiled at both ends.
This would mean your end tiles for both ends would miss that wall as they  were lined with equal gaps or even butted together.

It means your eye view of them would see them both form a peak, assuming you had to build a peak in order to cater for those tiles angling up towards each other.


This would be your line of sight on your globe. It means you lose your level sight on your globe.
It also shows you there is no horizon and also no distant objects in your view.

Only those willing to use logic will understand this.
I fully expect you not to understand it.

Ok so what i assumed was correct.
And presictably you cbose to word salad instwad of providing, as requested, the massive gap.
So ill do it.
Back to circles we go!

20mi = 32,000m
Diameter 12,750,000m vs 12,750,003m where 3m = 10ft high wall.
Lets seee the gap!?

Circum ground = 40,035,000m
Circum wall top = 40,035,009m
%distance around = 32,000 / 40,035,000 = 0.0008 or 0.08%

9m x 0.08% = 0.0072

7milimeters

Wooooooooweee!!!!


Everyone
7milimeters!!!!!



Also...


https://www.spacecentre.nz/resources/faq/solar-system/earth/flat/structures.html


You just proved a point againdt yourself as civil engineers on this bridge accounted for a 1in gap due to the curvature of the ball earth....





So
Keep failing at circles.

Quote from: JackBlack on May 21, 2021, 04:20:34 PM

We are not talking about a tiling job on a long wall.

I am.
Why?

Because you have failed to justify your lies about the turbines, so need to move on to yet another distraction to avoid your complete inability to defend any lie you have against the globe.
So you can avoid having to apply to logic to anything and instead can continue to spout delusional garbage as if it hasn't been refuted countless times, as exposed by your complete inability to answer simple questions.

Again, care to answer the trivial questions which show you are wrong yet?
how far below the tube can an object at 1 mile distance be, in order to still be visible through the tube?
Can you see the base of a tree at 1 mile distance, if the base of the tree is 6 ft below the level of the tube?
Again, what magic prevents us from seeing the RE through a level tube?
Again, what should the tilt be (provide a number with units and math justifying it) for an object 30 km away?
How much of such an object should be hidden at a 30 km distance, if you are standing 2 m above the RE?

So the easy way is to understand starting a perfectly horizontal tiling jon on a 20 mile long wall.

And just how do you plan on doing this PERFECT horizontal tiling job?
Nothing in this world is perfect.
There will ALWAYS be some level of uncertainty or error.

If you're doing a small tiling job on a wall and you are slightly off and have no tolerance to adjust

You are living in a fantasy land. Because in reality, there is ALWAYS a tolerance to adjust. There is just a question of how large that tolerance is.
Again, if you want to use 1 m wide tiles, your tolerance in angle has to be less than 0.000009 degrees, with the tolerance in spacing has to be less than 1 um.

Your claims are nonsense. They really are.

t seems to me to be very easy. It's a so called star tracker or in reality a point of light tracker.

It is very easy because Earth is round, and the stars are astronomically far away.

If your model was correct it would be much much harder.

Quote from: Solarwind

An equatorial mount has a polar axis so if you align the polar axis of the mount with that of the Earth it allows the mount to track the sky very accurately and very easily.
  You do that my adjusting the mount to tilt at the same angle as your latitude.  Job done.  That works regardless of your location on Earth.

And you don't have to be on a globe.

Yes you do.
If you tried it on a FE, you would need the tilt to be the same everywhere on Earth, not matching your latitude.

No, it doesn't evidence any Earth as a sphere...and you know it.
If it did then we wouldn't be arguing it, here or anywhere.

Considering you just reject all the evidence for a globe, and have no intention of ever accepting anything that shows Earth is a globe, just what would stop you arguing?

It's pretty self explanatory.

Yes, it is pretty self-explanatory. Yet again you want to pretend Earth is a tiny ball. Yet again you ignore the scale involved. Yet again, you ignore that the difference is so small you would not notice it.

From such a tiled wall alone, you would not be able to distinguish between someone tiling it to follow the curvature of Earth, or someone tiling it to follow your hypothetical FE.
You would not be able to distinguish between someone tiling it straight, rather than following the curve of Earth so it appears to curve upwards, or someone tiling it with it curving upwards on your hypothetical FE.

The difference is to insignificant to notice.
Again, even with large 1 m wide tiles, each tile along has to be tilted by a tiny 0.000009 degrees, with the top of the tiles being less than 1 um further apart than the bottom.

This would be your line of sight on your globe. It means you lose your level sight on your globe.
It also shows you there is no horizon and also no distant objects in your view.

And yet again you pretend we can only see in a straight line.
Again, we have a FOV.
We can see things above and below level. We don't just see along a single line.

This means we CAN see the horizon on a globe, and we CAN see distant objects.

Even with your example, you defeat yourself by us being able to see the wall even in the distance.

Tu-tube fieldof view ckaim was you cant see the ground.

Well regardless of level or not level or verticallyplumb even, the tube is rpund the.field.of.view is also round.

The view left and right also show what looks to be 7carwidths wide at 6ft width x 7 = 42 ft across at a distance of 100ft.

Hence your requirement for the level and vertical are meaningless to your base argument.
You could claim jjja wasnt wearing the appropriate tinfoil hat.
Its still meaningless to your main posit  that FOV doesnt allow you to also see down, when looking at the horizon.

Frick this was a little tricky to find.
Wasn t the one i was looking for but still fits
And woweee   we have a "horizon" example of how the hill dips down, we see a distinct "line" and cease to see the road but instead see the trees at the distance.
Amazing.

Quote from: Smoke Machine on February 09, 2021, 03:21:53 AM

Don't I? 






See those cars in the final photo, looking through the level tube? That red car is way down the hill. That area of grass in the same photo in front of the red car, is waaay down the hill. You can see from the level on the side of the tripod, the tube was level. There's the blue line, folks.

Looks like seeing the ground from a level tube to me.  Nice pictures.

But... why would anyone be surprised? 

Quote from: Smoke Machine on May 21, 2021, 10:32:54 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 20, 2021, 09:11:49 PM

Quote from: Smoke Machine on May 20, 2021, 10:15:32 AM

Sceptimatic, remember when you said a couple of pages ago: "I'd like a real-time hit from your satellite to my laptop of the place I'm standing at showing the reality of that time."

Well, I could arrange this for you if you are wearing an ankle bracelet for all those crimes you committed? Otherwise, you could confess a few of your worst crimes that have no statute of limitations, or your plans for mass extermination of globalists?

But, I'm canvassing an easier way for you, aside from turning to a life of crime.

There's "In-The-Sky.org" which is a world map of satellites above the earth's surface, and a site called, "Soar". Soar in particular boasts being readily accessible to the public and media and affording access to high definition aerial views of anywhere on earth to observe events as they happen. That's real-time, Sceptimatic!!!!   

So, imagine that! Now you can hold off on completing your man-made rocket and going where Mike Hughes tried to go! 

Give me a bit of time to learn how both work  and I'll give you easy step by step instructions so you can see yourself real-time from a satellite live feed.

Oh, and I know how much you love puzzles. I bought you a super special puzzle that you and the whole fam will enjoy!

What do I click on to get real time images of Earth?

You'll need to download the Live Earth app on that tyrannosaurus rex bone you call your phone, or home computer. Once there, click on NASA live stream earth from space. I was just watching it before, and they switched to an outside camera on the ISS  and the view showed the curvature of earth behind the ISS.

But I was thinking, what you could do is download the ISS tracker and find out when the ISS will be closest in the sky to where you are. You'll have days of notice. Then, fill up some large red helium balloons with your name drawn on them, and after calculating height rise, wind currents, etc, release the balloons so that the NASA live stream might pick up the balloons and with any luck, capture the curvature of the earth at the same time. Then presto, you're cured of your illness!

NASA livestream, alone, won't be enough to break through your heavy flat earth video brain washing. The flat earth fetish demon inside you, will fight to assert control, declaring the live stream is nothing more than cgi. You know it will.

You can nail your global Earth if you show me where I can see live satellite images of Earth at any point I choose and be able to home in on actual reality of the time, not 3 months ago, not 1 month ago or not even a day ago.
As is.
Is there anything that can show this with the supposed technology we have today?

So, now I know what will change your mind, sceptimatic! Live satellite images of earth at any point you choose and be able to hone in on actual reality of the time.

So, this is what has to be proven to change your mind:
1. The images are live
2. The images are from satellites in orbit
3. The images are of earth
4. The images must show reality in real time.
5. Bonus points if images show earth curvature.

A suggestion:

The ISS:
1. Broadcasts continuous live footage
2. Is a satellite of sorts, purportedly orbiting earth
3. Live stream images could be married up to landmarks where you are.
4. A telescope could be used to magnify the image of the ISS to make a positive identification.
5. Would need to upgrade mobile phone and download the ISS tracker app, skyview app, and live earth map which has the NASA live feed from the ISS. All apps are free.

Is this worth a try, sceptimatic?

Otherwise it will take me a while to identify a geostatic satellite with viewing capability of earth capable of meeting your needs. Ten or twenty years from now would be perfect, but I dont think either you or I plan to still be on this board then.

Now, what would change my mind you ask.

We are talking about if the tilt is the insignificant 0.27 degree math shows it is,

0.27 degrees is huge

Imagine pointing a rocket to Mars but your rocket was 0.27 degrees off course. Intolerable

You are wrong (again) Jack

Besides, this thread is for what would change your mind. I'm curious, what would change yours?

Quote from: JackBlack on May 21, 2021, 04:20:34 PM

We are talking about if the tilt is the insignificant 0.27 degree math shows it is,

0.27 degrees is huge

Not when you are trying to visually determine if a turbine is standing upright or tilting ever so slightly away from you.

Besides, this thread is for what would change your mind. I'm curious, what would change yours?

Have you read the thread?
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=87127.msg2282668#msg2282668

You just proved a point againdt yourself as civil engineers on this bridge accounted for a 1in gap due to the curvature of the ball earth....





So
Keep failing at circles.

You've just proved my point and killed your very own.

Maybe think a bit before you contradict yourself.

From such a tiled wall alone, you would not be able to distinguish between someone tiling it to follow the curvature of Earth, or someone tiling it to follow your hypothetical FE.
You would not be able to distinguish between someone tiling it straight, rather than following the curve of Earth so it appears to curve upwards, or someone tiling it with it curving upwards on your hypothetical FE.

You've clearly never tiled a wall.

Frick this was a little tricky to find.
Wasn t the one i was looking for but still fits
And woweee   we have a "horizon" example of how the hill dips down, we see a distinct "line" and cease to see the road but instead see the trees at the distance.
Amazing.

Quote from: JJA on February 09, 2021, 04:20:18 PM

Quote from: Smoke Machine on February 09, 2021, 03:21:53 AM

Don't I? 






See those cars in the final photo, looking through the level tube? That red car is way down the hill. That area of grass in the same photo in front of the red car, is waaay down the hill. You can see from the level on the side of the tripod, the tube was level. There's the blue line, folks.

Looks like seeing the ground from a level tube to me.  Nice pictures.

But... why would anyone be surprised? 

Thanks for making my point.

So, now I know what will change your mind, sceptimatic! Live satellite images of earth at any point you choose and be able to hone in on actual reality of the time.

So, this is what has to be proven to change your mind:
1. The images are live
2. The images are from satellites in orbit
3. The images are of earth
4. The images must show reality in real time.
5. Bonus points if images show earth curvature.

A suggestion:

The ISS:
1. Broadcasts continuous live footage
2. Is a satellite of sorts, purportedly orbiting earth
3. Live stream images could be married up to landmarks where you are.
4. A telescope could be used to magnify the image of the ISS to make a positive identification.
5. Would need to upgrade mobile phone and download the ISS tracker app, skyview app, and live earth map which has the NASA live feed from the ISS. All apps are free.

Is this worth a try, sceptimatic?

Otherwise it will take me a while to identify a geostatic satellite with viewing capability of earth capable of meeting your needs. Ten or twenty years from now would be perfect, but I dont think either you or I plan to still be on this board then.

Now, what would change my mind you ask.

Let me make this clear.

All I need is a google Earth or something similar that will show a real  picture of present time.
So, for instance, if I want to zoom in  on and area where I know there's something there in real time, I will see it.

If satellites are real and in space and covering Earth like we're told, then this should be easy.

I could go to a certain place and put something there then get the required up to date goole images or whatever and zoom in to see it.


Is there anything that can do it and if so, show me and I'll go and try it out.


If it works, I'll never question anything of space and of a spinning globe.

I can't be any fairer than that.

Over to you.

You've clearly never tiled a wall.

You mean yet again, reality defeats you so you need to think of some clever quip to dismiss reality so you can continue living in your delusional fantasy.

Again, your wall requires 1 m tiles to be laid to within 0.000009 degrees of each other, and to have the gap (and the tile itself consistent in width) accurate to less than a um.
You are not going to get that with tiling a wall.

So if either of us have clearly never tiled a wall, it is you.
You simply aren't going to have the level of accuracy your claim needs.

And of course you still avoid the trivial questions which expose your lies.
How far below the tube can an object at 1 mile distance be, in order to still be visible through the tube?
Can you see the base of a tree at 1 mile distance, if the base of the tree is 6 ft below the level of the tube?
Again, what magic prevents us from seeing the RE through a level tube?
Again, what should the tilt be (provide a number with units and math justifying it) for an object 30 km away?
How much of such an object should be hidden at a 30 km distance, if you are standing 2 m above the RE?

All I need is a google Earth or something similar that will show a real  picture of present time.
So, for instance, if I want to zoom in  on and area where I know there's something there in real time, I will see it.

That is asking for control of a satellite.
If it is a real picture you can't just zoom in.
With Google Earth or Google maps, when you zoom in, they switch to different pictures.
So what you seem to want is either complete control over a satellite, or pure fantasy.

What you are asking for is not easy, at least not easy to make it so everyone can do it.

I can't be any fairer than that.

Sure you can, you can offer something that wouldn't require you to have control of a satellite.

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 23, 2021, 02:37:59 AM

You've clearly never tiled a wall.

You mean yet again

I don't think you have ever, never mind yet again.


You see the horizontal row of tile from one end to the centre and the same on the other side, would create a centralised match up.


If you were to try that on a curved wall you would end up with an apex.

Your globe is absolute nonsense.

I don't think you have ever, never mind yet again.

And there you go twisting things yet again, yet again blatantly misrepresenting reality to pretend to have a case.

The only one spouting nonsense is you. Your delusional garbage is pure nonsense with no connection to reality. That is why you need to keep on ignoring basically everything and refusing to answer trivial questions.

Ignoring reality will not help you.

Again, your wall requires 1 m tiles to be laid to within 0.000009 degrees of each other, and to have the gap (and the tile itself consistent in width) accurate to less than a um.
You are not going to get that with tiling a wall.

So if either of us have clearly never tiled a wall, it is you.
You simply aren't going to have the level of accuracy your claim needs.

And of course you still avoid the trivial questions which expose your lies.
How far below the tube can an object at 1 mile distance be, in order to still be visible through the tube?
Can you see the base of a tree at 1 mile distance, if the base of the tree is 6 ft below the level of the tube?
Again, what magic prevents us from seeing the RE through a level tube?
Again, what should the tilt be (provide a number with units and math justifying it) for an object 30 km away?
How much of such an object should be hidden at a 30 km distance, if you are standing 2 m above the RE?

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 23, 2021, 03:25:16 AM

I don't think you have ever, never mind yet again.

And there you go twisting things yet again, yet again blatantly misrepresenting reality to pretend to have a case.

No. I'm representing reality to show you are misrepresenting reality.

No. I'm representing reality to show you are misrepresenting reality.

Then you should have no problems providing an example of such a tiled wall to those exacting standards?

If not, you ARE blatantly misrepresenting reality, so you can cling to your delusional fantasy.

Quote from: Themightykabool on May 22, 2021, 03:22:28 AM

You just proved a point againdt yourself as civil engineers on this bridge accounted for a 1in gap due to the curvature of the ball earth....





So
Keep failing at circles.

You've just proved my point and killed your very own.

Maybe think a bit before you contradict yourself.

7milimeters.
Nice how you deleted the math part.

Now do the same math and extend the distance to the height of the wind mill to determine its "massive tilt".