What would change your mind?

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #5250 on: May 20, 2021, 03:46:31 AM »

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #5251 on: May 20, 2021, 03:49:05 AM »
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I've never used a scope with equatorial mount, as you call it, so how can I answer?
So you are forming a judgement about something that you have never used.  OK.
Nope. That's why I'm asking you and you are stalling. Why?
Have you used one?



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A supposed near 1 million mile diameter ball of fire in a vacuum of space.
Not the answer I was looking for.   It's a lot more simple than that.  Think of night and day.
You'll have to tell me. I thought you believed this Earth spun around a big ball of fire you call, a sun.

Enlighten me.

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #5252 on: May 20, 2021, 03:50:14 AM »



Quit deflectingdraw the circle
Tell us the tilt.
Cut the anger and come back with something worthwhile.

Understand what level sight is and then you won't need play around with a pretence that a small tilt would mean nothing.
Any small degree would alter the level view so try and get that into your nut.


Draw it
Show it

Show us the real geometry.
Dhow us how a denP circle differs from a global circle.

Youre avoiděng
Appealing to some mystical denP authority that says youre righr, without showing youre right.
It is becaue sceppy says so.

Sew that?
You cant even show it.
It might be wise for you to calm down and take a bit of time when answering.

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #5253 on: May 20, 2021, 03:51:38 AM »
Equatorial mounts are used very successfully by astronomers all over the world.

If you consider how they are designed and then compare that against the holistic picture of what evidence that produces about the possible shape of the Earth it points very strongly to the Earth being a globe.

However despite trying to I can't understand how equatorial mounts could possibly work if your 'alternative' model is indeed correct.  Since you have never used an equatorial mount and don't appreciate how they work perhaps it would be prudent to have a read up about equatorial mounts and then try and fit your findings into your model.

Or of course you could just ignore this point and carry on your denials about earth being a globe regardless. I know it's your general approach to ask people to try and 'sell' everything to you as if we were doing a sales pitch trying to convince you but sometimes the potential buyer needs to do some of the work themselves as well.  Not everything in life gets handed to us on a plate unfortunately.
Tell me what you do with your equatorial mount and where you place it on Earth, then run me through what you're seeing that proves a globe.
That's all I'm asking seeing as you brought it up.

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #5254 on: May 20, 2021, 03:53:04 AM »
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Nope. That's why I'm asking you and you are stalling. Why?
Have you used one?
Yes thanks.  Been using them for about 40 years now and I have several. I'm not stalling. I'm actually firing on all cylinders.  I'm just trying to get you to find out something for yourself.  Something you don't seem to be very good at.

If you actually took the time and trouble to find out some things for yourself you would also find out why equatorial mounts provide very good evidence for Earth being a globe. 

You are the one stalling because you tend to ignore any evidence that doesn't support your beliefs or at least puts them into question.

« Last Edit: May 20, 2021, 03:56:18 AM by Solarwind »

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #5255 on: May 20, 2021, 03:53:54 AM »
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Nope. That's why I'm asking you and you are stalling. Why?
Have you used one?
Yes thanks.  Been using them for about 40 years now and I have several. I'm not stalling. I'm actually firing on all cylinders.  I'm just trying to get you to find out something for yourself.  Something you don't seem to be very good at.
Take me through it and show me your nailed on globe because of it. Let's see how you prove this.

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #5256 on: May 20, 2021, 04:17:09 AM »
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Take me through it and show me your nailed on globe because of it. Let's see how you prove this.
I don't need to prove anything.  The evidence is staring you in the face if you can take it upon yourself to dedicate just 5 minutes out of your life to find it.

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #5257 on: May 20, 2021, 04:49:26 AM »



Quit deflectingdraw the circle
Tell us the tilt.
Cut the anger and come back with something worthwhile.

Understand what level sight is and then you won't need play around with a pretence that a small tilt would mean nothing.
Any small degree would alter the level view so try and get that into your nut.


Draw it
Show it

Show us the real geometry.
Dhow us how a denP circle differs from a global circle.

Youre avoiděng
Appealing to some mystical denP authority that says youre righr, without showing youre right.
It is becaue sceppy says so.

Sew that?
You cant even show it.
It might be wise for you to calm down and take a bit of time when answering.

Troll on.
Im not angry.
Keep deflecting.
Keep trying to shift the burden of proof back.

The only 100%fact from your end is that -

You havent shown the massive tilt.

For all to see what a POS you are.
Are "real denP" circles and triangles really that much more difficult than "global" circles and triangles?

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #5258 on: May 20, 2021, 04:50:37 AM »
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I've never used a scope with equatorial mount, as you call it, so how can I answer?
So you are forming a judgement about something that you have never used.  OK.
Nope. That's why I'm asking you and you are stalling. Why?
Have you used one?



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A supposed near 1 million mile diameter ball of fire in a vacuum of space.
Not the answer I was looking for.   It's a lot more simple than that.  Think of night and day.
You'll have to tell me. I thought you believed this Earth spun around a big ball of fire you call, a sun.

Enlighten me.


Delfect

Flowed by deflect.


Draw the massive tilt.

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #5259 on: May 20, 2021, 04:52:24 AM »

You mean 2 factors I have already accounted for which are both simply due to the curvature.
The insignificant 0.27 degree tilt you are yet to refute, and the ~ 50 m hidden which you are yet to refute.

I have already accounted for these.


The fact you are arguing a tilt, no matter what you think the degrees of that tilt are, it is a tilt on what you believe your globe is.
It would also have a curvature downwards and away from you as you tilt back over and the object tilts back over, also.


The mere fact you go with a tilt should also tell you that. to look level you would also have to angle your view UP into the sky, slightly, meaning you could never have any view to any object in the distance....especially turbines which would be around 266 feet down a curvature from your view and also on a tilt.

You would have zero chance of seeing any object like that due to that slight tilt you talk about.

Your globe is literally dead in the water.


Draw it

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #5260 on: May 20, 2021, 07:22:23 AM »
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Tell me what you do with your equatorial mount and where you place it on Earth,
What do I do with it?  I use it to mount the three telescopes that I use for imaging the Sun, planets and DSOs.  Where do I place it?  In my back garden of course, where else would I place it?

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #5261 on: May 20, 2021, 10:15:32 AM »
Sceptimatic, remember when you said a couple of pages ago: "I'd like a real-time hit from your satellite to my laptop of the place I'm standing at showing the reality of that time."

Well, I could arrange this for you if you are wearing an ankle bracelet for all those crimes you committed? Otherwise, you could confess a few of your worst crimes that have no statute of limitations, or your plans for mass extermination of globalists?

But, I'm canvassing an easier way for you, aside from turning to a life of crime.

There's "In-The-Sky.org" which is a world map of satellites above the earth's surface, and a site called, "Soar". Soar in particular boasts being readily accessible to the public and media and affording access to high definition aerial views of anywhere on earth to observe events as they happen. That's real-time, Sceptimatic!!!!  :D  :D

So, imagine that! Now you can hold off on completing your man-made rocket and going where Mike Hughes tried to go! 

Give me a bit of time to learn how both work  and I'll give you easy step by step instructions so you can see yourself real-time from a satellite live feed.

Oh, and I know how much you love puzzles. I bought you a super special puzzle that you and the whole fam will enjoy!

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #5262 on: May 20, 2021, 10:25:43 AM »
I had a long argument with Tom Bishop about equatorial mounts on the other site. He was so very confused.

It seems like flat earthers can't understand anything that spins in a circle.

Why am I not surprised sceptimatic is completely baffled by how they work too.  I see he's still doing his "explain to me how this thing works" instead of figuring it out for himself.

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #5263 on: May 20, 2021, 01:30:17 PM »
you've asked him to envision the visual optics of rotation on a 3d ball.

he hasn't even comprehended a 2d circle and lines of site (aka triangles).

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #5264 on: May 20, 2021, 02:38:14 PM »
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I had a long argument with Tom Bishop about equatorial mounts on the other site. He was so very confused.

It seems like flat earthers can't understand anything that spins in a circle.

Why am I not surprised sceptimatic is completely baffled by how they work too.  I see he's still doing his "explain to me how this thing works" instead of figuring it out for himself.
We look at things objectively and don't form any kind of biased ideas which are polarised by belief. To a flat Earther if something doesn't support their belief or provides evidence against it, it is simply ignored or denied.

Equatorial mounts do not evidence that the Earth is spinning. They would work just as well if the Earth was stationary but located at the centre of some huge secondary sphere which was spinning around it.  However they do evidence (and very strongly at that) that the Earth is a sphere.  For the mount to work it must be aligned with the polar axis of the Earth and to achieve that the angle the mount is set to must match the observers latitude.  This applies equally for observers north and south of the equator.

If the Earth was not a sphere then you simply could not get equatorial mounts to work since there would be no polar axis to align them with.  The whole purpose of the mount is so you can conveniently track the sky through movement of just one axis (the declination axis).  There isn't a place on Earth where an equatorial mount will not work.  And that in itself evidences that the Earth is a sphere.

Flat Earth believers are very dismissive of pretty much anything to do with astronomy and in my view that is because astronomy an aspect of science which is very capable of showing how far removed from reality their views or beliefs are. It's a shame really because they are denying themselves the opportunity to appreciate what for me has always been a fascinating subject.  To label astronomy a 'psuedo-science' is a bit of an insult really to the worlds amateur and professional astronomers.  Astrology... now that is a pseudo-science. 
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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #5265 on: May 20, 2021, 05:00:56 PM »
You mean 2 factors I have already accounted for which are both simply due to the curvature.
The insignificant 0.27 degree tilt you are yet to refute, and the ~ 50 m hidden which you are yet to refute.
I have already accounted for these.
The fact you are arguing a tilt, no matter what you think the degrees of that tilt are, it is a tilt on what you believe your globe is.
Again, the tilt is insignificant. You are not going to be able to notice that tilt.

meaning you could never have any view to any object in the distance
Again, this is your baseless lie you just keep on repeating.
I have a FOV. I don't just magically see along a line.
This FOV allows me to see things below and above, including the RE you hate so much.

especially turbines
Which are tall enough such that even after accounting for the tilt and the drop, they would still have a part of them which would be dead-centre of your level view.
Meaning you will most certainly be able to see them.
Again, the drop, as you have claimed is 266 ft.
The rotor diameter is 126 m or 413 ft.
The 0.27 degree tilt will reduce the apparent height by such an insignificant amount, the level of precision in that number is not enough to see it.
If you provide additional precision and have the rotor diameter being 413.386 ft, then the apparent height of the rotor would be 413.381 ft.
A tiny difference due to the tiny tilt.
And then, if the rotor itself was skimming the water, that would place it ~147 ft ABOVE your line of sight.

So it would certainly be visible, no matter how much you want to pretend it wont be.
How could an object which has the top well above your level line of sight, and the bottom well below, NOT be visible?

Yet again, simple logic and math shows beyond any doubt that you are wrong.

So the globe isn't what is dead in the water. Your outright lies about it are.
And like always, you keep on avoiding simple, trivial questions which expose these lies.

Again, If you have a tube, 1 inch in a diameter and 10 inches long, with this tube level and you looking through the tube with your eye at the midpoint of the tube's height and directly against the end of the tube, how far below the tube can an object at 1 mile distance be, in order to still be visible through the tube?
Can you see the base of a tree at 1 mile distance, if the base of the tree is 6 ft below the level of the tube?
Again, what magic prevents us from seeing the RE through a level tube?
Again, what should the tilt be (provide a number) for an object 30 km away?
How much of such an object should be hidden at a 30 km distance, if you are standing 2 m above the RE?

Tell me what you do with your equatorial mount and where you place it on Earth, then run me through what you're seeing that proves a globe.
That's all I'm asking seeing as you brought it up.
You were already provided with that and just ignored it.
To put it simply, you align it such that it can rotate about an axis parallel to Earth's axis. This then allows you to track an object by simply rotating about that axis.
The fact that this axis various with latitude, and so easily allows you to track objects, shows that either Earth or the sky rotates about an axis, and that the surface of Earth is at a different angle relative to this axis with latitude.
While this doesn't prove Earth itself spins (as no purely visual observation like this can), it does show it is a globe.

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #5266 on: May 20, 2021, 09:05:25 PM »
JackBlack, why do you call sceptimatic a liar in every post you make? Which category of lie have you found him telling?

I haven't counted any lies from him.  O:-)

Can you prove sceptimatic has lied? Just one example will do. If not, can you stop calling him a liar and concentrate on proving the earth is a globe?

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #5267 on: May 20, 2021, 09:08:00 PM »
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Take me through it and show me your nailed on globe because of it. Let's see how you prove this.
I don't need to prove anything.  The evidence is staring you in the face if you can take it upon yourself to dedicate just 5 minutes out of your life to find it.
Ok, no problem. It's just that, you did go on and on about it as if you were going to nail the globe and now it seems you can't.

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #5268 on: May 20, 2021, 09:09:20 PM »
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Tell me what you do with your equatorial mount and where you place it on Earth,
What do I do with it?  I use it to mount the three telescopes that I use for imaging the Sun, planets and DSOs.  Where do I place it?  In my back garden of course, where else would I place it?
It's massively vague but if you ever feel the need to carry on and explain how it nails the globe, feel free. If not....no issue.

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #5269 on: May 20, 2021, 09:11:49 PM »
Sceptimatic, remember when you said a couple of pages ago: "I'd like a real-time hit from your satellite to my laptop of the place I'm standing at showing the reality of that time."

Well, I could arrange this for you if you are wearing an ankle bracelet for all those crimes you committed? Otherwise, you could confess a few of your worst crimes that have no statute of limitations, or your plans for mass extermination of globalists?

But, I'm canvassing an easier way for you, aside from turning to a life of crime.

There's "In-The-Sky.org" which is a world map of satellites above the earth's surface, and a site called, "Soar". Soar in particular boasts being readily accessible to the public and media and affording access to high definition aerial views of anywhere on earth to observe events as they happen. That's real-time, Sceptimatic!!!!  :D  :D

So, imagine that! Now you can hold off on completing your man-made rocket and going where Mike Hughes tried to go! 

Give me a bit of time to learn how both work  and I'll give you easy step by step instructions so you can see yourself real-time from a satellite live feed.

Oh, and I know how much you love puzzles. I bought you a super special puzzle that you and the whole fam will enjoy!
What do I click on to get real time images of Earth?

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #5270 on: May 20, 2021, 09:14:42 PM »
I had a long argument with Tom Bishop about equatorial mounts on the other site. He was so very confused.

It seems like flat earthers can't understand anything that spins in a circle.

Why am I not surprised sceptimatic is completely baffled by how they work too.  I see he's still doing his "explain to me how this thing works" instead of figuring it out for himself.
Ok, so we have "spins in a circle."

I can get a spinning top to do that.
I can go on a roundabout and do that.


Care to elaborate or maybe you and solarwind can corroborate...eh?

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #5271 on: May 20, 2021, 09:17:20 PM »
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I had a long argument with Tom Bishop about equatorial mounts on the other site. He was so very confused.

It seems like flat earthers can't understand anything that spins in a circle.

Why am I not surprised sceptimatic is completely baffled by how they work too.  I see he's still doing his "explain to me how this thing works" instead of figuring it out for himself.
We look at things objectively and don't form any kind of biased ideas which are polarised by belief. To a flat Earther if something doesn't support their belief or provides evidence against it, it is simply ignored or denied.

Equatorial mounts do not evidence that the Earth is spinning. They would work just as well if the Earth was stationary but located at the centre of some huge secondary sphere which was spinning around it.  However they do evidence (and very strongly at that) that the Earth is a sphere.  For the mount to work it must be aligned with the polar axis of the Earth and to achieve that the angle the mount is set to must match the observers latitude.  This applies equally for observers north and south of the equator.

If the Earth was not a sphere then you simply could not get equatorial mounts to work since there would be no polar axis to align them with.  The whole purpose of the mount is so you can conveniently track the sky through movement of just one axis (the declination axis).  There isn't a place on Earth where an equatorial mount will not work.  And that in itself evidences that the Earth is a sphere.

Flat Earth believers are very dismissive of pretty much anything to do with astronomy and in my view that is because astronomy an aspect of science which is very capable of showing how far removed from reality their views or beliefs are. It's a shame really because they are denying themselves the opportunity to appreciate what for me has always been a fascinating subject.  To label astronomy a 'psuedo-science' is a bit of an insult really to the worlds amateur and professional astronomers.  Astrology... now that is a pseudo-science.
Explain the polar axis and how you get to this with a knowing of a globe.

You're in your back garden.
Go from there and briefly explain how you nail this globe of yours.

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #5272 on: May 20, 2021, 09:20:41 PM »
You mean 2 factors I have already accounted for which are both simply due to the curvature.
The insignificant 0.27 degree tilt you are yet to refute, and the ~ 50 m hidden which you are yet to refute.
I have already accounted for these.
The fact you are arguing a tilt, no matter what you think the degrees of that tilt are, it is a tilt on what you believe your globe is.
Again, the tilt is insignificant. You are not going to be able to notice that tilt.


If you were to go and do a tiling job on a long wall. Let's say a 20 mile wall that is 10 feet high and you start off very slightly out of level at the 5 foot point, where do you think your end tile would be on that wall?

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #5273 on: May 20, 2021, 11:35:17 PM »
Wow
"Off slightlty" is such a definitive value.

A 10ft wall at 0.27degree tilt would mean a tilt of 0.5in.
Massive!!!

A 100ft turbine would have a 5in tilt.

In proportion... MASSIVE!!!

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #5274 on: May 20, 2021, 11:59:01 PM »
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Explain the polar axis and how you get to this with a knowing of a globe.

You're in your back garden.
Go from there and briefly explain how you nail this globe of yours.
No Sceptimatic.  I have got better things to do during my day than explain to you step by little step how an equatorial mount is and how it does it.  All the information is out there on the Internet already for you to do your own research.  I'm sure you won't though because you are simply not interested because it shows your 'alternative' model or models is and are nonsense.

I've been using them for over 40 years so please don't start on your 'You have no clue' crap just because I refuse to pander to your 'explain this or explain that' demands.  I know exactly what they do and how they work. 

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It's massively vague but if you ever feel the need to carry on and explain how it nails the globe, feel free. If not....no issue.
Not massively vague.  You asked me what I do with my equatorial mount and where I place it on Earth.  I answered.  I don't need to write an essay to answer questions like that.
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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #5275 on: May 21, 2021, 12:43:42 AM »
Wow
"Off slightlty" is such a definitive value.

A 10ft wall at 0.27degree tilt would mean a tilt of 0.5in.
Massive!!!

A 100ft turbine would have a 5in tilt.

In proportion... MASSIVE!!!
Tell me this. How could you tile a 20 mile, 10 foot high long wall at 5 foot start and end up with the same gap between each tile on your globe?


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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #5276 on: May 21, 2021, 12:47:26 AM »
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Explain the polar axis and how you get to this with a knowing of a globe.

You're in your back garden.
Go from there and briefly explain how you nail this globe of yours.
No Sceptimatic.  I have got better things to do during my day than explain to you step by little step how an equatorial mount is and how it does it.  All the information is out there on the Internet already for you to do your own research.  I'm sure you won't though because you are simply not interested because it shows your 'alternative' model or models is and are nonsense.

I've been using them for over 40 years so please don't start on your 'You have no clue' crap just because I refuse to pander to your 'explain this or explain that' demands.  I know exactly what they do and how they work. 

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It's massively vague but if you ever feel the need to carry on and explain how it nails the globe, feel free. If not....no issue.
Not massively vague.  You asked me what I do with my equatorial mount and where I place it on Earth.  I answered.  I don't need to write an essay to answer questions like that.
You've got better things to do but you'd rather spend enough of your time consistently telling me you can't/won't indulge in explaining your set up and how it proves your globe and yet spend the same amount of time actually telling me you won't.
And you have better things to do?


Stop kidding yourself.
You cannot prove a globe but thought using the equatorial mount carry one would somehow give you credence, just by saying you've used one.


Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #5277 on: May 21, 2021, 01:19:19 AM »
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You've got better things to do but you'd rather spend enough of your time consistently telling me you can't/won't indulge in explaining your set up and how it proves your globe and yet spend the same amount of time actually telling me you won't.
And you have better things to do?
I've got better things to do than to explain things in detail to you which you can find out for yourself.  I know that equatorial mounts work very successfully all over the world.  That is an ice cold fact.

What I don't understand is how that could be true in your world based on what you believe the shape of the world to be.  If you don't know how they work then go away and find out. There's plenty of information already out there which tells you so me explaining to you would just be me repeating all that.  Then once you've worked it out then come back and explain it to me.

The Earth has a polar axis which is the axis around which it rotates.  An equatorial mount has a polar axis so if you align the polar axis of the mount with that of the Earth it allows the mount to track the sky very accurately and very easily.  You do that my adjusting the mount to tilt at the same angle as your latitude.  Job done.  That works regardless of your location on Earth.  So the mount has a latitude scale which goes from 0 degrees at the equator through to 90 degrees for the pole.  That works for both N and S of the equator which evidences that the Earth is a sphere.

Unless of course you can offer a different view?

Feeling generous today so I will give you a starting point for your research.



« Last Edit: May 21, 2021, 01:26:57 AM by Solarwind »

Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #5278 on: May 21, 2021, 01:51:56 AM »
Wow
"Off slightlty" is such a definitive value.

A 10ft wall at 0.27degree tilt would mean a tilt of 0.5in.
Massive!!!

A 100ft turbine would have a 5in tilt.

In proportion... MASSIVE!!!
Tell me this. How could you tile a 20 mile, 10 foot high long wall at 5 foot start and end up with the same gap between each tile on your globe?


Tell me this
Wheres your gap?
What IS your gap?
What does the walls disrance length have anyrhing to do with the height tilt?
Your poorly descript thought experiment makes no sense.
Try and make more sense.
What are you appealing to when all you have to do to debunk the globe earth is to show the model doesnt mafch reality = draw the circle and triangle to scale.

Are qe tilting the wall pr talking concentric circles?
Are we to interprwt your wall that a 12,750,000unit diameter circle compared to a concentric circle of 12,750,002unit diameter circle will be of any notice at 20mi (32,000units) will mean the topothewall gaps will be noticeably wider than the bottomothewall gaps?
Feel free to let us know the gapage usig these numbers

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Re: What would change your mind?
« Reply #5279 on: May 21, 2021, 02:02:09 AM »
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Explain the polar axis and how you get to this with a knowing of a globe.

You're in your back garden.
Go from there and briefly explain how you nail this globe of yours.
No Sceptimatic.  I have got better things to do during my day than explain to you step by little step how an equatorial mount is and how it does it.  All the information is out there on the Internet already for you to do your own research.  I'm sure you won't though because you are simply not interested because it shows your 'alternative' model or models is and are nonsense.

I've been using them for over 40 years so please don't start on your 'You have no clue' crap just because I refuse to pander to your 'explain this or explain that' demands.  I know exactly what they do and how they work. 

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It's massively vague but if you ever feel the need to carry on and explain how it nails the globe, feel free. If not....no issue.
Not massively vague.  You asked me what I do with my equatorial mount and where I place it on Earth.  I answered.  I don't need to write an essay to answer questions like that.
You've got better things to do but you'd rather spend enough of your time consistently telling me you can't/won't indulge in explaining your set up and how it proves your globe and yet spend the same amount of time actually telling me you won't.
And you have better things to do?


Stop kidding yourself.
You cannot prove a globe but thought using the equatorial mount carry one would somehow give you credence, just by saying you've used one.


Because its a deflection and as welk the i formation is readily availaboe that even Faded could help you google search.


You on the otherbhand are the sole keeper of the denP information yet you reduse to unveil any secret debunking definitive proofs or experiemtns showing the falsity of the ball earth.
The falsilty yoy claim as 100%fact.


So

Draw the circle to scale.
Wjata tue masdive tilt?