Dune Movie

When Paul was attacked by the hunter seeker he caught it and ran to Jessica. She was in the conservatory, which is basically a greenhouse. She had him submerge it in a fountain. Jessica found a note from Margot Fenring which warned her that there would be an attack against Paul, and that the bedroom he chose was designed to attract him (of course she found the warning too late) but also the note warned about a trusted lieutenant betraying Leto. Margot Fenring is also Bene Gesserit, so the warning was written in coded dots on the back of a welcoming note. The main reason the conservatory is important is that it's like a promise to Arrakis that one day it will be a paradise. The way the Atreides talked about these things is the reason why Kynes helped them. Kynes was a true believer.

Margot seduces Feyd and gets pregnant (the pregnancy and baby aren't ever a part of the bigger story). I think the movie doesn't really do a very good job of making the viewer understand just how pissed the BG were with Jessica for messing with their breeding program timeline. Jessica was not to have a boy, they were working towards the Kwisatz Haderach, but that was a couple generations away. Margot became pregnant by Feyd to preserve the bloodline the BG had been creating through their machinations for centuries.

Oh, I just remembered that Hasimir Fenring (Margot's husband) was ordered by the emperor to kill Paul, and he refused. That's all I can remember about them in the 1st book, because they start to run together in my mind. I kind of think they're on Giedi Prime for Feyd's birthday at some point. Maybe that is when Margot seduces him.

I can see the movies leaving them out entirely. They're not that important to the overall story, but fans of the books tend to like them a lot. They are part of the intrigue and political plotting that was much more important in the books, and maybe would seem kind of boring in an action movie.

Now I wish you had directed it. 

Your memory is astounding. I barely remember any of the novel because I was smoking doobies in a van down by the river when I read it.

You know how some people read LotR over and over and are super nerdy about it? Yeah, that's how I am about Dune. lol

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I wonder if they're going to try to adapt other books.  It's been a while since I've read the books but I think at least Dune Messiah is something they can make a movie out of.  I recall liking Dune Messiah better.  Paul seemed like an actual person in that one.  But it wouldn't have nearly as much explosions.

Then there's Leto turning into a sandworm for... reasons.  It might work as a TV show.

Villeneuve said he wants to do Dune Messiah.

I seem to remember not much at all happening in Dune Messiah.  Well, a few big things, interspersed with a lot of lore and philosophical waffle.  I didn't think it was a patch on the first book myself.

Making Messiah would have the some of the problems that they had making the Hobbit after LOTR.  The first Dune book is the only one Herbert wrote that has those big loud battle scenes. 

My criticism with the Dune series is that most of the time the characters don't seem particularly human.  The sort of come across as sock puppets for discussing society and philosophy. 

In Messiah though Paul spends the entire book completely getting his ass kicked even though he really didn't have to.  Every time he loses his choices are grounded in his humanity.  It's a little like the Empire Strikes Back in some ways.

Well I have seen it, and to be honest I felt a bit underwhelmed, the vaste swathe of story left out in favour of cgi and slow motion shots of the Fremen girl.

But I will watch the second one if it happens but my darling wife will not be coming.

Okay.  Had a year to think about this.  Watched Dune 2021 again.  Got to say I definitely prefer the 1984 version.

I think what clinched it was watching the scene where Paul and Jessica run into the Fremen in the desert.  This scene is kind of absurd.  Stilgar is there.  He's met both of them before.  He knows they're not like the Harkonnens. 

His reaction: "Hey let's murder these guys and take their water."

The only reason that didn't happen is because Jessica used her Bene Gesserit karate to beat his ass. 

If this is how the Fremen react to everyone they meet then this would probably explain why the Harkonnens were trying to kill them all.  Based on the information in this movie I'd assume that that if the Atreides somehow held onto Dune they'd probably be forced to do the same thing.

I think it's easier for the 1984 film to ask me to empathize with the Fremen because it's already such a bonkers film. 

Movies always leave out important details, they kind of have to or the movie would be hours and hours long. Stilgar doesn't want to kill Paul, because Kynes instructed the Fremen to find him. It is Jessica he would have killed, because he thought her lack of knowledge about the desert would put them all in danger. Then she proved herself and he realized she was a Sayyadina (a priestess who hadn't drank and converted the Water of Life). Plus the Bene Gesserit had planted mythology in the Fremen culture in preparation for this kind of emergency. Jessica quickly realizes this when they say certain things. She knew she needed to best Stilgar but not kill him.

There were lots of things the movie left out, that I wish they'd kept in, but I thought they did a pretty good job. What I missed the most in the movie was the sort of mythology that the books invoked. I also don't think they really conveyed how brutal the Harkonnens had already been to the Fremen, which would have made their hostility towards outsiders more understandable.

(lol I know I am obsessed with Dune)

Dune 2 trailer is finally out.

Looks good. Though I am a little disappointed that they didn't replace Chalamay with Machlachlan as a grown up Paul Attredies.

Maybe if they make Children of Dune into a movie they can get him to play Paul!

That would be awesome but I don't see them making the other books into movies.  Maybe Children but even that is asking a lot of the sort of audience that watches blockbuster movies.

Trailers these days often show far too many of the money shots, spoiling them in the film.  Love the fact this just hints at the epic stuff, we don't quite get to see Paul riding what you know is going to be one motherfucking huge ass worm.  Leaves me wanting to see the film RIGHT NOW.

I wonder what the Navigators are going to look like?

Wow, The Onion is still going.  I remember those guys!

i saw the trailer for dune 2 yesterday

tbh the onion article was right

Well I liked the first one, but I was in horrible pain while watching it. I hope I won't be in horrible pain when watching the second one.

Just saw part 2.  Have to say I liked it a lot more than part 1.  Part 1 sort of felt like they were doing a competent version of the 1984 version.  Part 2 feels like it's own thing.

I am jealous. I probably won't see it for months.

Definitely worth seeing in imax if you're going to see it in theaters.  I saw it on a regular screen, kind of regret it.

They do make a few tweaks to the story.  Not sure how you'd feel about them.  But it's nowhere near as much changes as the 1984 version did.

Pls don't tell me they have pugs. lol

No pugs.  Porgs actually.  It was a crossover merchandizing effort with Disney.  Paul also has a wise cracking robot sidekick.  Paul brings up the general ban on artificial intelligence.  But the robot dismisses the notion with some witty one liners.

Regrettably most of the previous Fremen cast has been replaced by Chinese actors in a bid to appeal to Chinese audiences.  But on the bright side Donnie Yen does a great job as Stilgar.

Pls don't tell me they have pugs. lol

No, but I'm not sure about the decision to make part 2 a musical.

Suddenly robot Zendaya makes sense.

https://www.theonion.com/dune-part-two-to-pick-up-right-where-viewers-fell-as-1850378546

but also i hardly remember the first one at this point, only saw it once on opening weekend smh... might go watch part 2 tonight.

Dune: Prophecy.

This is kind of boring so far.

That's a shame.

It's got a great cast, so I had high hopes.

I am planning to watch it, even though it is based on KJA's novel. It will probably make me ANGRY. lol

I still haven't seen the second Dune movie.

The Korean journal of anesthesiology wrote a dune book??

The Korean journal of anesthesiology wrote a dune book??

Chartered accountancy firm actually, which explains why it is so dull.

Kevin jerkface Anderson

I am attempting to watch the second episode. No one has ever stayed awake during this.

8 am very brave.