Globularist map is debunked again, again and once again

Do the experiment again but with a video of the phone/GPS on the dashboard pointing in the direction the car is moving.

Next year possible. And the phone was already pointing the direction of car moving. Otherwise is just a pointless slander. I take it as insult but anyways.

Quote from: turtles on September 04, 2020, 08:36:59 AM

Do the experiment again but with a video of the phone/GPS on the dashboard pointing in the direction the car is moving.

Next year possible. And the phone was already pointing the direction of car moving. Otherwise is just a pointless slander. I take it as insult but anyways.

Next year....are you busy for the next 4  months? I guess you won't be on here much then.

If the phone was pointing the right way why would you have a problem proving it, it's an easy thing to do.

I presume you are indignant because I exposed your trick.       

Quote from: wise on September 04, 2020, 11:13:45 AM

Quote from: turtles on September 04, 2020, 08:36:59 AM

Do the experiment again but with a video of the phone/GPS on the dashboard pointing in the direction the car is moving.

Next year possible. And the phone was already pointing the direction of car moving. Otherwise is just a pointless slander. I take it as insult but anyways.

Next year....are you busy for the next 4  months? I guess you won't be on here much then.

If the phone was pointing the right way why would you have a problem proving it, it's an easy thing to do.

I presume you are indignant because I exposed your trick.       

You did not exposed anything. You have a baseless claim need to be proven. It is Bolu hundreds of kilometres far. I only can go there at the next holiday. I meant a year later approximetely.

Phone was pointing the true direction but I would not expected bad mind angry globalists will use such a dishonest, dishonored objection. I have no idea how I can prove phone's being the direction in order to please you without reveal myself. And I am not sure I need to do that in order to convince some angry globalists those have dishonest extraordinary dishonored arguments.

Quote from: turtles on September 04, 2020, 12:54:10 PM

Quote from: wise on September 04, 2020, 11:13:45 AM

Quote from: turtles on September 04, 2020, 08:36:59 AM

Do the experiment again but with a video of the phone/GPS on the dashboard pointing in the direction the car is moving.

Next year possible. And the phone was already pointing the direction of car moving. Otherwise is just a pointless slander. I take it as insult but anyways.

Next year....are you busy for the next 4  months? I guess you won't be on here much then.

If the phone was pointing the right way why would you have a problem proving it, it's an easy thing to do.

I presume you are indignant because I exposed your trick.       

You did not exposed anything. You have a baseless claim need to be proven. It is Bolu hundreds of kilometres far. I only can go there at the next holiday. I meant a year later approximetely.

Wait, are you saying this only happens in Bolu? Why do you think that is?

Phone was pointing the true direction but I would not expected bad mind angry globalists will use such a dishonest, dishonored objection. I have no idea how I can prove phone's being the direction in order to please you without reveal myself. And I am not sure I need to do that in order to convince some angry globalists those have dishonest extraordinary dishonored arguments.

Why is it dishonest to ask you to be honest? You're just pretending to be indignant to deflect the embarrassment of being caught out.

It's easy to prove, put the phone on the dashboard and film the phone and it's screen with another phone.

And anyway, if you don't think you need to convince the globalists, why do you continue to reply?

Wait, are you saying this only happens in Bolu? Why do you think that is?

No, I am not saying such thing. You have became a manipulation master like your masters, congratilatiouns.

Since the map is completely made up, the same does not happen everywhere. You never know where it will appear. Because the map is random, the error is also random. Obviously, there are many mistakes in many places in Istanbul, but I will not take the time to reveal this to please you.

I have created this video not in order to convince anybody in this forum. Angry globalists in this forum have literally dishonored dishonest argument that I don't do anything for them. I did it, I only announced here I did it. It is not about any purpose here.

Why is it dishonest to ask you to be honest? You're just pretending to be indignant to deflect the embarrassment of being caught out.

It's easy to prove, put the phone on the dashboard and film the phone and it's screen with another phone.

And anyway, if you don't think you need to convince the globalists, why do you continue to reply?

In order to reply your baseless slander. And whenever I give up to reply, jackblack with extraordinary dishonored and dishonest arguments starts to keep telling I don't answer because I have not an answer.

If jackblack was not talking this way I would not care what you tell. This is not for you, but for followers from all over the circle.

Quote from: turtles on September 04, 2020, 01:30:55 PM

Wait, are you saying this only happens in Bolu? Why do you think that is?

No, I am not saying such thing. You have became a manipulation master like your masters, congratilatiouns.

Since the map is completely made up, the same does not happen everywhere. You never know where it will appear. Because the map is random, the error is also random. Obviously, there are many mistakes in many places in Istanbul, but I will not take the time to reveal this to please you.

I have created this video not in order to convince anybody in this forum. Angry globalists in this forum have literally dishonored dishonest argument that I don't do anything for them. I did it, I only announced here I did it. It is not about any purpose here.

So why do you think it only happens in certain places.

Quote from: turtles on September 04, 2020, 01:30:55 PM

Why is it dishonest to ask you to be honest? You're just pretending to be indignant to deflect the embarrassment of being caught out.

It's easy to prove, put the phone on the dashboard and film the phone and it's screen with another phone.

And anyway, if you don't think you need to convince the globalists, why do you continue to reply?

In order to reply your baseless slander. And whenever I give up to reply, jackblack with extraordinary dishonored and dishonest arguments starts to keep telling I don't answer because I have not an answer.

If jackblack was not talking this way I would not care what you tell. This is not for you, but for followers from all over the circle.

You really need to drop the whole "baseless slander, dishonored and dishonest arguments, manipulation" thing, it's really boring and childish. No one is falling for it.

Quote from: wise on September 04, 2020, 01:41:45 PM

Quote from: turtles on September 04, 2020, 01:30:55 PM

Wait, are you saying this only happens in Bolu? Why do you think that is?

No, I am not saying such thing. You have became a manipulation master like your masters, congratilatiouns.

Since the map is completely made up, the same does not happen everywhere. You never know where it will appear. Because the map is random, the error is also random. Obviously, there are many mistakes in many places in Istanbul, but I will not take the time to reveal this to please you.

I have created this video not in order to convince anybody in this forum. Angry globalists in this forum have literally dishonored dishonest argument that I don't do anything for them. I did it, I only announced here I did it. It is not about any purpose here.

So why do you think it only happens in certain places.

Quote from: wise on September 04, 2020, 01:41:45 PM

Quote from: turtles on September 04, 2020, 01:30:55 PM

Why is it dishonest to ask you to be honest? You're just pretending to be indignant to deflect the embarrassment of being caught out.

It's easy to prove, put the phone on the dashboard and film the phone and it's screen with another phone.

And anyway, if you don't think you need to convince the globalists, why do you continue to reply?

In order to reply your baseless slander. And whenever I give up to reply, jackblack with extraordinary dishonored and dishonest arguments starts to keep telling I don't answer because I have not an answer.

If jackblack was not talking this way I would not care what you tell. This is not for you, but for followers from all over the circle.

You really need to drop the whole "baseless slander, dishonored and dishonest arguments, manipulation" thing, it's really boring and childish. No one is falling for it.

I told it happens in random places, and it is so. Random map, random place. It is exist in Bolu and many any where else. What is hard to get in your side? I am not taking note of them. They are everywhere.

Quote from: turtles on September 04, 2020, 01:47:46 PM

Quote from: wise on September 04, 2020, 01:41:45 PM

Quote from: turtles on September 04, 2020, 01:30:55 PM

Wait, are you saying this only happens in Bolu? Why do you think that is?

No, I am not saying such thing. You have became a manipulation master like your masters, congratilatiouns.

Since the map is completely made up, the same does not happen everywhere. You never know where it will appear. Because the map is random, the error is also random. Obviously, there are many mistakes in many places in Istanbul, but I will not take the time to reveal this to please you.

I have created this video not in order to convince anybody in this forum. Angry globalists in this forum have literally dishonored dishonest argument that I don't do anything for them. I did it, I only announced here I did it. It is not about any purpose here.

So why do you think it only happens in certain places.

Quote from: wise on September 04, 2020, 01:41:45 PM

Quote from: turtles on September 04, 2020, 01:30:55 PM

Why is it dishonest to ask you to be honest? You're just pretending to be indignant to deflect the embarrassment of being caught out.

It's easy to prove, put the phone on the dashboard and film the phone and it's screen with another phone.

And anyway, if you don't think you need to convince the globalists, why do you continue to reply?

In order to reply your baseless slander. And whenever I give up to reply, jackblack with extraordinary dishonored and dishonest arguments starts to keep telling I don't answer because I have not an answer.

If jackblack was not talking this way I would not care what you tell. This is not for you, but for followers from all over the circle.

You really need to drop the whole "baseless slander, dishonored and dishonest arguments, manipulation" thing, it's really boring and childish. No one is falling for it.

I told it happens in random places, and it is so. Random map, random place. It is exist in Bolu and many any where else. What is hard to get in your side? I am not taking note of them. They are everywhere.

Right, so random places all over the world. Certainly in Bolu. And no one else in the world has noticed except you? Documenting these things would be amazing evidence for your claims and yet you are not taking note of them? Are you crazy?!

Let's do a search and see how many people have reported the problem in Bolu....nope, nothing. Looks like it's you.

I have literally everything to support my proofs.

The only support you have for your claim that the "Globaularist map is debunked" is your video showing a capture of a phone's screen, showing the phone pointing to the south.
That in no way supports your claim that the phone should be showing the direction of motion rather than the direction the phone is pointing in, nor does it show that the real maps of Earth are wrong.
You have provided nothing except your repeatedly baseless claims to claim the phone should be showing the direction the phone is moving rather than the direction it is facing.

I have already explained how Google Maps work, and you literally used a compass app for the other part of the video.

All you have done is show that the phone was facing south while the car was travelling west.

If you actually want to prove it, then film the phone (so the phone's screen can be seen and so we can see the phone and what its orientation is) while the car is moving and change the orientation of the phone, rotating the phone about a vertical axis through 360 degrees, then repeat with the phone in a different orientation.
This footage should then show the phone always indicating the same direction regardless of the orientation of the phone.
However in reality it will show the direction indicator changing as the phone changes orientation.
The orientations that would be useful to show this conclusion are:
The phone upright in portrait mode.
The phone angled at say 45 degrees in portrait mode.
The phone upright in landscape mode.
The phone angled at say 45 degrees in landscape mode.
The phone flat, i.e. horizontal.

That would be actual evidence to support your claim that

You don't even need to go there to do that and can do it driving anywhere.


Your insults do not help support your case either.

Quote from: wise on September 04, 2020, 05:06:41 AM

I have literally everything to support my proofs.

The only support you have for your claim that the "Globaularist map is debunked" is your video showing a capture of a phone's screen, showing the phone pointing to the south.

It needs another camera taking the phone at the camera. But even so, you will deny the evidence easily because of video sources being different. Because so far you and your globularist team mates denied plently of evidences.

Because you and other globularists here have extraordinary dishonored, dishonest, stupid, idiot, retard standarts.

Quote from: JackBlack on September 04, 2020, 02:28:52 PM

Quote from: wise on September 04, 2020, 05:06:41 AM

I have literally everything to support my proofs.

The only support you have for your claim that the "Globaularist map is debunked" is your video showing a capture of a phone's screen, showing the phone pointing to the south.

It needs another camera taking the phone at the camera. But even so, you will deny the evidence easily because of video sources being different. Because so far you and your globularist team mates denied plently of evidences.

Because you and other globularists here have extraordinary dishonored, dishonest, stupid, idiot, retard standarts.

I wouldn't deny the evidence. The video sources wouldn't be "different". It's you capturing what your device sees and its orientation. What we're missing is which way the device is oriented. There's no issue with that.

Quote from: wise on September 04, 2020, 10:07:17 PM

Quote from: JackBlack on September 04, 2020, 02:28:52 PM

Quote from: wise on September 04, 2020, 05:06:41 AM

I have literally everything to support my proofs.

The only support you have for your claim that the "Globaularist map is debunked" is your video showing a capture of a phone's screen, showing the phone pointing to the south.

It needs another camera taking the phone at the camera. But even so, you will deny the evidence easily because of video sources being different. Because so far you and your globularist team mates denied plently of evidences.

Because you and other globularists here have extraordinary dishonored, dishonest, stupid, idiot, retard standarts.

I wouldn't deny the evidence. The video sources wouldn't be "different". It's you capturing what your device sees and its orientation. What we're missing is which way the device is oriented. There's no issue with that.

I turned on the cell phone in the usual way and naturally, the direction was pointing forward. Otherwise, how can I use it comfortably? You need a counter evidence to claim otherwise. Because it naturally works this way.

If somebody here claim I made a trick, either has to prove it, or he is with the most dishonored, dishonest arguments in the world. And unfortunately all you globulards here are doing this dishonored, dishonest double standart behave.

Quote from: Stash on September 04, 2020, 11:11:54 PM

Quote from: wise on September 04, 2020, 10:07:17 PM

Quote from: JackBlack on September 04, 2020, 02:28:52 PM

Quote from: wise on September 04, 2020, 05:06:41 AM

I have literally everything to support my proofs.

The only support you have for your claim that the "Globaularist map is debunked" is your video showing a capture of a phone's screen, showing the phone pointing to the south.

It needs another camera taking the phone at the camera. But even so, you will deny the evidence easily because of video sources being different. Because so far you and your globularist team mates denied plently of evidences.

Because you and other globularists here have extraordinary dishonored, dishonest, stupid, idiot, retard standarts.

I wouldn't deny the evidence. The video sources wouldn't be "different". It's you capturing what your device sees and its orientation. What we're missing is which way the device is oriented. There's no issue with that.

I turned on the cell phone in the usual way and naturally, the direction was pointing forward. Otherwise, how can I use it comfortably? You need a counter evidence to claim otherwise. Because it naturally works this way.

If somebody here claim I made a trick, either has to prove it, or he is with the most dishonored, dishonest arguments in the world. And unfortunately all you globulards here are doing this dishonored, dishonest double standart behave.

I don't even know what your argument is.
I use Uber all the time. When I'm waiting for a ride I can watch it progress on the map making it's way to me. Sometimes the map software shows the car as backwards or pointing in the wrong direction as it moves across the map. The vehicle icon is still moving in the right direction but it may appear to be sliding sideways or whatever. So what? It's just the way the device the driver has is interacting with the navigation software. It has nothing to do with GPS itself. It's still navigating correctly. So what's the problem?

Quote from: wise on September 05, 2020, 11:28:38 AM

Quote from: Stash on September 04, 2020, 11:11:54 PM

Quote from: wise on September 04, 2020, 10:07:17 PM

Quote from: JackBlack on September 04, 2020, 02:28:52 PM

Quote from: wise on September 04, 2020, 05:06:41 AM

I have literally everything to support my proofs.

The only support you have for your claim that the "Globaularist map is debunked" is your video showing a capture of a phone's screen, showing the phone pointing to the south.

It needs another camera taking the phone at the camera. But even so, you will deny the evidence easily because of video sources being different. Because so far you and your globularist team mates denied plently of evidences.

Because you and other globularists here have extraordinary dishonored, dishonest, stupid, idiot, retard standarts.

I wouldn't deny the evidence. The video sources wouldn't be "different". It's you capturing what your device sees and its orientation. What we're missing is which way the device is oriented. There's no issue with that.

I turned on the cell phone in the usual way and naturally, the direction was pointing forward. Otherwise, how can I use it comfortably? You need a counter evidence to claim otherwise. Because it naturally works this way.

If somebody here claim I made a trick, either has to prove it, or he is with the most dishonored, dishonest arguments in the world. And unfortunately all you globulards here are doing this dishonored, dishonest double standart behave.

I don't even know what your argument is.
I use Uber all the time. When I'm waiting for a ride I can watch it progress on the map making it's way to me. Sometimes the map software shows the car as backwards or pointing in the wrong direction as it moves across the map. The vehicle icon is still moving in the right direction but it may appear to be sliding sideways or whatever. So what? It's just the way the device the driver has is interacting with the navigation software. It has nothing to do with GPS itself. It's still navigating correctly. So what's the problem?

GPS direction is wrong. It is not a claim, but an evident fact. Globularists were keep telling it works well everywhere in order to support their supposedly map and GPS being true. I told it does not and can be proven. I have prove it with video, even so, you globularists keep claiming it works.

On the one hand, you globularists are claiming there is a real flight between Australia and Chile that actually not make so sense, there should be millions of passangers did it. You have a claim. But none of these million people has take it to camera.

On the other hand, I have a claim that GPS system is wrong and I can prove it. I have prove it by a video evidence. But all you angry globularists have denied it because contradict with your missbelief.

But you are expecting I believe your supposedly route even millions of passanger exist but have not even a video that we can reject.

Quote from: Stash on September 05, 2020, 11:53:01 AM

Quote from: wise on September 05, 2020, 11:28:38 AM

Quote from: Stash on September 04, 2020, 11:11:54 PM

Quote from: wise on September 04, 2020, 10:07:17 PM

Quote from: JackBlack on September 04, 2020, 02:28:52 PM

Quote from: wise on September 04, 2020, 05:06:41 AM

I have literally everything to support my proofs.

The only support you have for your claim that the "Globaularist map is debunked" is your video showing a capture of a phone's screen, showing the phone pointing to the south.

It needs another camera taking the phone at the camera. But even so, you will deny the evidence easily because of video sources being different. Because so far you and your globularist team mates denied plently of evidences.

Because you and other globularists here have extraordinary dishonored, dishonest, stupid, idiot, retard standarts.

I wouldn't deny the evidence. The video sources wouldn't be "different". It's you capturing what your device sees and its orientation. What we're missing is which way the device is oriented. There's no issue with that.

I turned on the cell phone in the usual way and naturally, the direction was pointing forward. Otherwise, how can I use it comfortably? You need a counter evidence to claim otherwise. Because it naturally works this way.

If somebody here claim I made a trick, either has to prove it, or he is with the most dishonored, dishonest arguments in the world. And unfortunately all you globulards here are doing this dishonored, dishonest double standart behave.

I don't even know what your argument is.
I use Uber all the time. When I'm waiting for a ride I can watch it progress on the map making it's way to me. Sometimes the map software shows the car as backwards or pointing in the wrong direction as it moves across the map. The vehicle icon is still moving in the right direction but it may appear to be sliding sideways or whatever. So what? It's just the way the device the driver has is interacting with the navigation software. It has nothing to do with GPS itself. It's still navigating correctly. So what's the problem?

GPS direction is wrong. It is not a claim, but an evident fact. Globularists were keep telling it works well everywhere in order to support their supposedly map and GPS being true. I told it does not and can be proven. I have prove it with video, even so, you globularists keep claiming it works.

On the one hand, you globularists are claiming there is a real flight between Australia and Chile that actually not make so sense, there should be millions of passangers did it. You have a claim. But none of these million people has take it to camera.

On the other hand, I have a claim that GPS system is wrong and I can prove it. I have prove it by a video evidence. But all you angry globularists have denied it because contradict with your missbelief.

But you are expecting I believe your supposedly route even millions of passanger exist but have not even a video that we can reject.

It is not an evident fact that GPS is wrong. No one else has problems with it, just you....and only in certain places that, conveniently, you can't get back to until next year. No one else is reporting problems with it. Your video evidence was not good enough, it leaves too much doubt. Either you don't know how to use the phone properly or you don't want to take another video of the phone in the correct orientation because you know it will work as it should.

It needs another camera taking the phone at the camera. But even so, you will deny the evidence easily because of video sources being different.

I only wanted a single video. A video which shows the phone's screen and its orientation. So that goes that lame excuse of yours.

Because so far you and your globularist team mates denied plently of evidences.

Really?
Like what?

Again, your insults wont help you.

GPS direction is wrong. It is not a claim, but an evident fact.

No, it is a baseless claim which doesn't even make sense.
GPS determines position, not direction.

I told it does not and can be proven. I have prove it with video

No, you provided a video which shows that the phone is not oriented in the direction of travel.
That does not prove any problem with GPS.

On the one hand, you globularists are claiming there is a real flight between Australia and Chile that actually not make so sense

It makes perfect sense.
The only reason you attack it so strongly is because it doesn't work with your failed Earth map.

Stop crying arguments, it's over.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=66236.msg2281258#msg2281258

Stop crying arguments, it's over.

Yes, it's over, you lose.
You failed to prove any problem with GPS.
Instead all you have demonstrated is a phone which is oriented to the south while it moves to the west. There is no problem with that for the RE model.

It has been pointed out to you how Google Maps works, including on an Android phone, with how it points in the direction the phone is facing, not the direction of motion.
You have been told what kind of evidence would be required to show that is not the case and to show that there is actually a problem, and you have chosen not to provide it.

Quote from: wise on September 06, 2020, 03:57:42 AM

Stop crying arguments, it's over.

Yes, it's over, you lose.
You failed to prove any problem with GPS.

Ahahaha! Are you okay?

Read it again, again and again.Here it is, just a remind. https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=66236.msg2281258#msg2281258

Your claim does not mean anything but just proves how you have dishonest extemely double standart.

Have you pain? 

Yeah man. There is not a problem here, everything is okay.

This mistake could not responded by any of you.

It has been pointed out to you how Google Maps works, including on an Android phone, with how it points in the direction the phone is facing, not the direction of motion.

You have extraordinary ignorant arguments about how google map application works. It works how explained in link. Everybody who read this post and use it daily basis literally knows it works this way.

Thank you to give me the opportunity I prove how you have dishonest, dishonored, unscientifically extraordinary double standarts.

The map app showing your location off the road happens all the time.

Quote from: JackBlack on September 06, 2020, 04:33:51 AM

Quote from: wise on September 06, 2020, 03:57:42 AM

Stop crying arguments, it's over.

Yes, it's over, you lose.
You failed to prove any problem with GPS.

Ahahaha! Are you okay?

Yes, I am.
Your claims regarding GPS in this thread have been refuted.
I don't care what you put in the preaching only section of the forum, as far as I am concerned it doesn't exist.
If you have something you want to present to debate, do so here where it can be refuted by those who accept Earth is round, not in the preaching only section.

And now you seem to want to bring up a completely different argument.
I take it that means you accept your previous argument is a complete failure which did not show a problem at all.

But as for your new argument, are you sure that is the real place of the car?
Are you sure your roads are that straight?
Look at what your video shows:

You have the roads travel in straight lines for quite some distance before abruptly turning.
That isn't how roads actually are.
Instead it is a result of using data with limited resolution.
I am assuming you weren't using mobile data during the trip and instead had low resolution offline maps.

Now compare this to a image from Google Maps which isn't such low resolution:

Notice how the road isn't actually that straight?

And an image of what it actually looks like to compare it with:

Again, notice how the road isn't actually that straight?

If you limit the resolution of your data, your map will not be accurate to a much greater level.
You have a point on the road every 2-3 km. With that we can say the margin of error would be roughly 1 km.
Then your say your car being less than 500 m of where your low resolution road is plotted is a problem.
Guess what? It isn't. It is purely a result of your low resolution data.

So would that constitute a problem?
If you are just trying to use GPS to navigate between cities, no, not a problem at all.
If you are trying to determine your location relative to a road to within a few 10s of m, then yes. But not a problem with GPS, a problem with the choice of such low resolution map data. How are you meant to determine your position within a few 10s of m when you only have a reference point every few km?

So still no problem for GPS.
Now are you going to be honest and update your thread in the preaching only section to include this fact?

Ahahaha! Map is wrong, admitted by the most prominent globularist here, jb, still expect I need to update something, after I have clearly send him out of the ring. Guess he think he can win a debate or can declare himself as a winner by using word games. Because he has more time. His only job is this, but I have my own job and this is only hobby.

Anyways. Glad to see jackblack is admitted maps are not fitting and wrong. However, it can not explain why the map still wrong. It could be perfect accourding to globularist claim.

Anyways. I have wrote the verified and certificated the truth about GPS syetem both on my signaure, to youtube, to believers forum, and will be elsewhere possible. Case closed but jackblack and other globularists still free to claim they have win something, only on their dreams. I do not have to reply all the raving. 

Ahahaha! Map is wrong

Not wrong, of limited resolution.
There is a very big, fundamental difference between wrong and of limited resolution.
It isn't a problem, it is a limitation due to storage size.

However, it can not explain why the map still wrong. It could be perfect accourding to globularist claim.

And there you go with more lies.
I explained why quite clearly.
You have low resolution, likely because you were using an offline map, which was only downloaded to a specific resolution.
It does not get all the high resolution detail.

No, it could never be perfect, it will always be limited to some resolution.
The only question is what resolution.
If you want, you can store the map data to the nearest m, but that would require a lot more storage space.
For example, you would be looking at roughly 8 bytes per point, i.e. 2 double length integers to store the latitude and longitude to the required accuracy.
Then, just long that 263 trip between Istanbul and Bolu, you would need roughly 263 000 points, or 2 MB, just for that one trip.
If you want all 426.9 thousand km of roads in Turkey, you are looking at 3.4 TB, or ~3400 GB.
Does your phone have that storage capacity?
If you instead only want it to the km, you only 3.4 GB.
If you want the nearest 100 m then it would be 34 GB.
If you want all the roads in the European Union (Yes, I know Turkey is not a part yet, but it is a simple analog for Europe as a whole, with a much lower total length of roads) with its ~6.25 Million km of total length, then you are looking at 50 TB for the nearest m, or 50 GB to get it to the nearest km.

Yes, with a relatively simply algorithm you can take that data and simplify it by removing co-linear points, but I'm not going to see just how much data that would save, not when you have long winding roads.
But this doesn't include the overhead of what the road is called, or how wide it is, or what the speed limit it, or other similar extra information, nor any terrain data which would grow.

An alternative way of looking at it is by making a grid and using 2 bytes to store some information about it, such as its elevation and if it is a road (possibly what type), land (possibly subdivided into buildings, forest, etc) or sea, and various other information.
If we were to do that with the entire area of Turkey, again to the nearest m, so now m^2, you are looking at 1.5 TB. If instead you go for the nearest square km, you are looking at 1.5 GB.

If you want it for the worlds landmass, then you are looking at roughly 1 PB, or 1000 TB.

But why stop at 1 m?
For perfection you would need to go even smaller.

So it is quite clear why a map will not be perfect. The sheer amount of data that it requires would not fit on a simple phone. The time required to obtain all the data is also quite large.

So again, THERE IS NO PROBLEM with GPS.
The problem is entirely with you and you trying to use a low resolution data to obtain information that simply isn't stored at a high enough resolution.
I even provided an image from the same mapping provided with higher resolution data.

I have wrote the verified and certificated the truth about GPS syetem both on my signaure, to youtube, to believers forum

You mean you have written that it works correctly, and you have been unable to show a problem with it nor refute it working, and instead have presented 2 completely failed arguments in this thread?
I don't see that in your signature, and I assume your video still contains the same false information, where you falsely claim that it uses satellites to determine direction, instead of the magnetometer to determine direction.

So it seems you are still clinging to wilful rejection of reality.

Case closed

Yes, case closed.
You lose, again.

Ahahaha! Map is wrong

I watched your video and you can CLEARLY see the direction of the phone changing when you zoom in and out and operate the software.

That shows that you are holding the phone and moving it, otherwise the direction of the phone wouldn't change every time you use the phone.

The only thing you proved here is you can't hold your phone right.

Ahahaha! Map is wrong, admitted by the most prominent globularist here, jb, still expect I need to update something, after I have clearly send him out of the ring. Guess he think he can win a debate or can declare himself as a winner by using word games. Because he has more time. His only job is this, but I have my own job and this is only hobby.

Anyways. Glad to see jackblack is admitted maps are not fitting and wrong. However, it can not explain why the map still wrong. It could be perfect accourding to globularist claim.

Anyways. I have wrote the verified and certificated the truth about GPS syetem both on my signaure, to youtube, to believers forum, and will be elsewhere possible. Case closed but jackblack and other globularists still free to claim they have win something, only on their dreams. I do not have to reply all the raving. 

It appears YOU are twisting words. He said YOU are using a map of lower resolution (I would say you zoomed out to make it so) so it doesn't show all the turns. That says nothing about GPS.

And I doubt you have ANY proof that this is his job. That is just slander on your part.

Quote from: wise on September 06, 2020, 02:28:18 PM

Ahahaha! Map is wrong

I watched your video and you can CLEARLY see the direction of the phone changing when you zoom in and out and operate the software.

That shows that you are holding the phone and moving it, otherwise the direction of the phone wouldn't change every time you use the phone.

The only thing you proved here is you can't hold your phone right.

It is true that a small amount of phone changes direction as I have to press keys when switching from one application to another. However, this change of direction is not so much that it turns west to south.

This situation is not sufficient to explain the direction and position error.

Yes, case closed.
You lose, again.

Ahahaha! Repeating same baseless dishonest claims does not magically make the experiment wrong, or make the map true. I pity your arguments how pathetic! 

It is true that a small amount of phone changes direction as I have to press keys when switching from one application to another. However, this change of direction is not so much that it turns west to south.

But it does show that the phone is not using GPS to determine what direction it is pointing. This shows it is almost certainly simple a case of you pointing the phone in the wrong direction, potentially intentionally so to pretend there is a problem.

Ahahaha! Repeating same baseless dishonest claims does not magically make the experiment wrong, or make the map true. I pity your arguments how pathetic! 

Good job projecting. Now care to actually address what I have said?
Again, YOU are using a low resolution map, which doesn't have the required precision to accurately determine your location relative to a road down to the hundred m level. Instead you have it at the km level, and the car is less than 1 km from the road.
So, when you actually consider the uncertainty, THERE IS NO PROBLEM FOR THE MAP!

The only problem is you pretending a map of such low resolution should magically be perfect.
That is a problem with you, not the map, not GPS.
At best you get it as a limitation of the map, noting that a limitation for technical reasons (such as storage size as demonstrated) is not a problem for the map.

But it does show that the phone is not using GPS to determine what direction it is pointing. This shows it is almost certainly simple a case of you pointing the phone in the wrong direction, potentially intentionally so to pretend there is a problem.

No, it does not! Phone uses GPS, but google map program takes the direction of movement, but not the direction of the phone.

Cut to find an excuse! Everything was prfectly working and you have nothing but crying baby dishonored dishonest extraordinary magic supposedly arguments.

Again, YOU are using a low resolution map, which doesn't have the required precision to accurately determine your location relative to a road down to the hundred m level. Instead you have it at the km level, and the car is less than 1 km from the road.
So, when you actually consider the uncertainty, THERE IS NO PROBLEM FOR THE MAP!

The only problem is you pretending a map of such low resolution should magically be perfect.
That is a problem with you, not the map, not GPS.
At best you get it as a limitation of the map, noting that a limitation for technical reasons (such as storage size as demonstrated) is not a problem for the map.

Nope. You have just find an invalid so called excuse to prevent lie down your so called map in your dream world of argument. Actually it does not work. But only your people whose ready to applouse your invalid arguments will can accept them. Because you have constantly find new excuses for different part of the video.

You were started with telling GPS shows phone direction and it turns. But you have learned it shows the direction of movement, not direction of the move. And now, instead of accepting mistake and tell sorry, you have started to claim then phone is not using the GPS. What can it be else, right? What a pathetic behave of dishonored way of arguments!

Quote from: JackBlack on September 07, 2020, 12:56:19 AM

But it does show that the phone is not using GPS to determine what direction it is pointing. This shows it is almost certainly simple a case of you pointing the phone in the wrong direction, potentially intentionally so to pretend there is a problem.

No, it does not!

Yes it does.
If it was using GPS it wouldn't be changing as you changed the orientation of the phone.
It shows quite clearly it is using the direction of the phone, not the direction of movement.

So why should anyone accept your claim that it is based on the direction of movement, rather than what everything other than you indicates?

You are the one trying to find excuses so you can pretend the map is wrong.

You have just find an invalid so called excuse

It isn't an excuse, it is a simple argument, clearly backed up by the video you provided and the available maps on Google Maps.
It is quite clear the problems rests entirely with you, especially with you either having no understanding of resolution/uncertainty, or just ignoring it.
Once more, a technical limitation, such as limited resolution, IS NOT A PROBLEM!
The only way it becomes a problem is a problem BY THE USER (i.e. YOU, so it is your problem), if they ignore that limited resolution and pretend it should be perfect or pretend it is of a greater resolution.

The problem rests entirely upon you.

Just like the only way the directionality is a problem is if the user (i.e. YOU) does not understand the difference between the direction of motion and the direction the phone is pointing and tries to use the direction the phone is pointing to determine the direction of motion. But again, that is a problem with the user, not the underlying software.

The only question is if you made an honest mistake because you didn't know the details, or if you were intentionally trying to deceive.
As you continue to repeat the same lies, it makes the latter more likely.

You were started with telling GPS shows phone direction and it turns.

No, I never said that.
Instead I said:

That proves pretty much nothing.
It isn't indicating your car is facing south.
It indicates the phone is pointing south. It would be quite easy to do.
It isn't your car that needs to be moving sideways, just your phone.

But you have learned it shows the direction of movement

No I haven't.
You have repeatedly falsely asserted that with literally nothing to back up your claims, in direct contrast to using the compass app which would have no reason at all to use GPS, and in direct contrast to my own use of android phones.
Meanwhile, you refuse to learn and repeat the same lies.

you have started to claim then phone is not using the GPS. What can it be else, right?

Again, I haven't just started. I pointed out what it was right from the start:

Compass apps wouldn't use GPS to determine directionality. It would use the phones built in manometer.
That suffers from the same issues as a regular magnetic compass, but also has the issue of the phone's orientation thrown in.

I now realise it has a typo and should be magnetometer, but you didn't take issue with that and it is clear what I meant.

What a pathetic behave of dishonored way of arguments!

Yes, what you are doing is extremely pathetic and dishonest.
Blatantly lying about what others have done and just repeating the same lies to pretend a problem of how YOU are misusing a device is a problem with the underlying technology.

Once more, the only problem you have shown is you.
Going to learn and admit your mistakes, or are you going to continue to repeat them, repeating the same lies about these non-existent problems for GPS and maps?