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Why do you support Joe Biden?

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Why do you support Joe Biden?

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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1620 on: October 25, 2022, 07:09:08 AM »
Yeah that way it insures the FBI can't be corrupt.

Thanks for clearing that up.
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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1621 on: October 25, 2022, 08:47:03 AM »
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1622 on: October 25, 2022, 09:34:25 AM »
If we're debating how things would have unfolded differently under Trump, well here's his initial reaction to the invasion.



Putin invaded Ukraine because he thought the West wouldn't do anything. What really drove this home for Putin was our withdrawal from Afghanistan, which Trump put us on an irreversible course towards*. This is not speculation. This was stated in intelligence reports.  Make of that what you will. But it's a bit silly to assume this has much to do with NATO expansion as Finland and Sweden are now joining and Russia doesn't seem to care.

*I happen to agree with this decision.  I think it's the best thing Trump did while President. It's just worth noting that if the intelligence is accurate then it had this unfortunate consequence.
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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1623 on: October 25, 2022, 09:44:12 AM »
Trump talking about how all those thousands of troops and those tanks would be the strongest 'peace keeping force' and how America could use that on the southern border

I guess given his 'build the wall' idea failed, maybe if he was in another term he would try Putins idea of a 'peace keeping force'

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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1624 on: October 25, 2022, 01:36:14 PM »
Trump talking about how all those thousands of troops and those tanks would be the strongest 'peace keeping force' and how America could use that on the southern border

I guess given his 'build the wall' idea failed, maybe if he was in another term he would try Putins idea of a 'peace keeping force'
Are you suggesting the US should start a Special Military Operation in Mexico to help them round up all those Nazis that are trying to march across our southern border to rape our wimins and get our kids hooked on crack cocaine and bath salts?

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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1625 on: October 25, 2022, 01:39:11 PM »
Trump talking about how all those thousands of troops and those tanks would be the strongest 'peace keeping force' and how America could use that on the southern border

I guess given his 'build the wall' idea failed, maybe if he was in another term he would try Putins idea of a 'peace keeping force'
Are you suggesting the US should start a Special Military Operation in Mexico to help them round up all those Nazis that are trying to march across our southern border to rape our wimins and get our kids hooked on crack cocaine and bath salts?

Why stop there. Just annex the rest of Mexico like Russia is doing with Ukraine. You have the might. Do what's right.

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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1626 on: October 25, 2022, 02:13:21 PM »
Trump talking about how all those thousands of troops and those tanks would be the strongest 'peace keeping force' and how America could use that on the southern border

I guess given his 'build the wall' idea failed, maybe if he was in another term he would try Putins idea of a 'peace keeping force'
Are you suggesting the US should start a Special Military Operation in Mexico to help them round up all those Nazis that are trying to march across our southern border to rape our wimins and get our kids hooked on crack cocaine and bath salts?

Why stop there. Just annex the rest of Mexico like Russia is doing with Ukraine. You have the might. Do what's right.

Step 1. Declare Spanish our official language.

Step 2. Defend Spanish speaking people.
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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1627 on: October 25, 2022, 03:03:24 PM »
Canadians (except a few albertans, the texas of canada):

Hey hey now dont give them yanks any ideas now about taking over neighbouring countries.

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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1628 on: October 25, 2022, 06:14:27 PM »
Which of Biden's policies do you disagree with Bom?  I don't exactly have much love for Biden either, but a lot of what is going on in the country is largely out of his control and would have been happening under a Trump presidency, such as the inflation and economy slowing down. 

Under a Trump 2nd term, the war in Ukraine would have likely still happened, but might have been over by now with a Russian victory.  We might be looking at a Chinese invasion of Taiwan.  We would also be potentially looking at further Russian aggression in the Baltic states, since Putin appears to want to restore the boundaries of the USSR.  Trump loved to suck up to strong, authoritarian leaders and didn't seem to be too keen on pushing back on them much, except for China.

Duck!! You are still here, glad to see that!

Addressing just the first part, I agree the economy slowing down was inevitable, just the natural swelling and contracting. Plus there are a lot of bubbles in many different areas that are due for at least corrections...however, I put an astrict by this..

However, inflation.... That is pretty much squarely riding on the Dems shoulders and they are only making it worse. Now we have the federal reserve doing what they can with interest rates to attempt to slow inflation which in turn heightens the economy downturn from corrections to recession and at worst a depression. This is why I put the astrict, because they are making it MUCH worse than it should be.
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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1629 on: October 25, 2022, 06:33:43 PM »
Inflation is rising everywhere. Including Oz. Should I blame that on Biden too? I think Putin's shenanigans would be more on point or maybe every world leader everywhere just happens to fuck it up at the same time?

Only Trump would have held it back ::) yeah. Trump knows all about money and finance ::)

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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1630 on: October 25, 2022, 06:48:28 PM »
I'd blame inflation on the amount of money we printed during covid.

In fairness this started under Trump.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1631 on: October 25, 2022, 06:59:44 PM »
I'd blame inflation on the amount of money we printed during covid.

In fairness this started under Trump.

True, the first round as those in power fleeced though world for their spoils. However, the countless other stimulus packages, handouts, sending money to other countries and stupid programs is definitely on them. Trillions extra...a trillion for everyone!!! We can just print it, no problem!
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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1632 on: October 25, 2022, 07:02:26 PM »
Its transitory, lol.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1633 on: October 25, 2022, 07:56:33 PM »
according to prof guest:

No.




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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1634 on: October 25, 2022, 07:57:29 PM »
Use your words Kabool.

What do you think is responsible for the inflation that was seen before the Russian invasion of Ukraine?

Obviously not doubling the money supply.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1635 on: October 25, 2022, 08:02:00 PM »
Yes
Its actually bidens fault (paritally mostly)
I was surprised too.

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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1636 on: October 25, 2022, 08:09:59 PM »
Yeah it's the fault of US government policy.
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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1637 on: October 25, 2022, 10:19:42 PM »
I'd blame inflation on the amount of money we printed during covid.

In fairness this started under Trump.

True, the first round as those in power fleeced though world for their spoils. However, the countless other stimulus packages, handouts, sending money to other countries and stupid programs is definitely on them. Trillions extra...a trillion for everyone!!! We can just print it, no problem!

Meh.
I think you're looking at the wrong spot.
Here, we had a large well of saved money (the oil fund) that we used for the pandemic.  So we didn't need to "print money".  We still have inflation and our central banks raised interest rates a fair bit.
We also have a ton of oil.
Which means we're making a ton of money back from oil sales right now.


Which stupid programs?  Also, didn't Trump do most of the stimulus money handouts?
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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1638 on: October 26, 2022, 06:53:53 AM »
I'd blame inflation on the amount of money we printed during covid.

In fairness this started under Trump.

True, the first round as those in power fleeced though world for their spoils. However, the countless other stimulus packages, handouts, sending money to other countries and stupid programs is definitely on them. Trillions extra...a trillion for everyone!!! We can just print it, no problem!

Meh.
I think you're looking at the wrong spot.
Here, we had a large well of saved money (the oil fund) that we used for the pandemic.  So we didn't need to "print money".  We still have inflation and our central banks raised interest rates a fair bit.
We also have a ton of oil.
Which means we're making a ton of money back from oil sales right now.


Which stupid programs?  Also, didn't Trump do most of the stimulus money handouts?
To jump on this.  Obama handed Trump a bustling economy, one in which the interests rates were ripe to rise in order to prepare for future hardships.  The Fed tried to raise interest rates, but faced major push back from Trump, so they decided to scrap this idea.  Couple that with the temporary tax cuts for individuals and the permanent tax cuts for corporations, and you have an economy running on jet fuel, but with a razor thin margin for error.  All the safety nets were pulled and there was no realistic way for the government to respond to any sort of economic crisis without simply printing more money.  And then COVID hit, what a speed bump that was.

So we have an economy based on just-in-time inventory, with all possible safety measures already being used (by the Fed that is), and companies appeasing their investors with stock buybacks instead of real capital investments with the tax cut money they had.  A true recipe for disaster.  In waltzes a global pandemic that halts the supply chain, makes it dangerous for people to be in close contact with one another, and forces shifts with the economy.

Inflation is a complicated thing, but the foundation of it was created by Trump, who sacrificed economic safety nets in favor of stock market sugar highs.  Biden is having to tackle a global inflationary event with both hands tied behind his back.  Inflation would have happened under Trump and I doubt he would have handled it any better.  Remember, it takes a year or 2 for a president's economic policies to really show effect.
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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1639 on: October 27, 2022, 12:01:30 AM »

What do you think is responsible for the inflation that was seen before the Russian invasion of Ukraine?


Lack of supply due to global pandemic. 

Inflation is a supply and demand equation. 

Russian invasion didn't help.

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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1640 on: October 27, 2022, 12:03:57 AM »

What do you think is responsible for the inflation that was seen before the Russian invasion of Ukraine?


Lack of supply due to global pandemic. 

Inflation is a supply and demand equation. 

Russian invasion didn't help.

What effect do you think doubling the US money supply had on US inflation?
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1641 on: October 27, 2022, 12:14:22 AM »

What do you think is responsible for the inflation that was seen before the Russian invasion of Ukraine?


Lack of supply due to global pandemic. 

Inflation is a supply and demand equation. 

Russian invasion didn't help.

What effect do you think doubling the US money supply had on US inflation?

That's a right wing talking point you are pushing,  but in reality US money supply has been reducing this year,  what effect do you think that has on inflation?
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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1642 on: October 27, 2022, 12:18:46 AM »
Sorry Rayzor, my mistake again.

It was increased by 40% according to the Washington post.
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Over the past two years, as the Federal Reserve fought to rescue the economy from the clutches of the coronavirus, the central bank’s emergency remedies increased the nation’s money supply by an astonishing 40 percent.

That was almost four times as much new money as had been created during the two years that preceded the pandemic and, to some Fed critics, explains why the United States is experiencing its highest inflation since 1982.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/02/06/federal-reserve-inflation-money-supply/
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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1643 on: October 27, 2022, 01:02:38 AM »
in reality US money supply has been reducing this year,  what effect do you think that has on inflation?

Usually when the money supply is increased, inflation increases. When the money supply decreases, or interest rates are hiked, inflation decreases.

As you say, it's simple supply and demand.

I guess it's a testament to how badly we messed up that we keep hiking interest rates and you say the money supply is now decreasing and yet inflation is still rising.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1644 on: October 27, 2022, 02:32:52 AM »
in reality US money supply has been reducing this year,  what effect do you think that has on inflation?

Usually when the money supply is increased, inflation increases. When the money supply decreases, or interest rates are hiked, inflation decreases.

As you say, it's simple supply and demand.

I guess it's a testament to how badly we messed up that we keep hiking interest rates and you say the money supply is now decreasing and yet inflation is still rising.

Seems to be trending downward, not rising...In the US anyway...


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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1645 on: October 27, 2022, 02:36:16 AM »
Well I hope it continues in this trajectory.
8.2% is an 8.2% increase in inflation, to be fair.

It is lower than the 9.1% inflation but inflation still rose by 8.2% for that period.
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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1646 on: October 27, 2022, 02:56:33 AM »
Well I hope it continues in this trajectory.

Me too.

8.2% is an 8.2% increase in inflation, to be fair.

It is lower than the 9.1% inflation but inflation still rose by 8.2% for that period.

That's a weird way of looking at it. It's didn't "rise" 8.2%, it just is 8.2%. Right when the pandemic started, Q1 2020, US inflation plummeted from about 2% to just above 0. Then immediately started to rise and hads't stopped rising until recently where it's now falling (hopefully).

So I guess you could say "Inflation rose 2% from October 2021 to Sept. 2022." Or "Inflation rose 8% from March 2020 to Sept. 2022." But you could also say, "Inflation rose 3% from 2008..." Or, "Inflation fell 1% from June 2022..." And so on.

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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1647 on: October 27, 2022, 02:57:17 AM »
Is it not an 8.2% increase over the previous period?

I might be reading the graph incorrectly.

It is good that it's decreasing.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1648 on: October 27, 2022, 03:42:16 AM »
Is it not an 8.2% increase over the previous period?

I might be reading the graph incorrectly.

It is good that it's decreasing.

No it's not an 8.2% increase in the inflation rate,  it's a drop of 0.1% from the previous rate of 8.3%

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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1649 on: October 27, 2022, 03:44:32 AM »
Yeah but inflation still increased by 8.2% for that period.

Unless I am misreading the graph.
It did increase by a lower rate than the previous period shown, which is good, as I said.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.