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Why do you support Joe Biden?

He isn't Trump
He will defeat the corone!
He will reunite Americans
I am woke and want equality for all
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Why do you support Joe Biden?

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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1200 on: February 04, 2022, 09:44:18 AM »
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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1201 on: February 04, 2022, 10:56:49 AM »
The witch burners came from your country, you fucking cu_t, and they were revolutionary, and it was legal to do so back then, prior to the American Revolution.

I cannot stand American football, you fucking cu_t.

What do flightless birds who swim in the Antarctic have to do with anything?  And why would we want to fuck them?

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« Reply #1202 on: February 04, 2022, 11:13:31 AM »
Suicide kills even more people. Maybe we should have cameras in every room of our homes and especially in our therapists' offices live-feeding to local authorities so the government can help reduce suicides too. That'll help 'em get all those drug dealers and manufacturers too! Imagine the Utopian future when we're all behaving like good little lemmings because we have cameras reporting on our activities every waking moment, and the "undesirables" can just be carted away for reeducation!

Nah. Just take away the guns.
Oh, ok, so we're doing away with the 2nd and 4th amendments both, while also breaking down the barrier between church and state (that's the 1st amendment here in the US) to appease the religious fundamentalists that are trying to take over. That's 30% of our Bill of Rights. Maybe we should reconsider the rest of it too! Let's do away with the 5th, because if we can't catch someone doing something wrong on camera, we should at least be able to still get them under oath and force them to incriminate themselves about... well, something, they'll figure that out while they are questioning the person under oath. Also, the 6th is kind of a pain in the ass, I mean, when dealing with criminals (*ahem* I mean alleged criminals), why do they deserve the right to a speedy trial? THESE ARE CRIMINALS. Allegedly.

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« Reply #1203 on: February 04, 2022, 11:22:02 AM »
Suicide kills even more people. Maybe we should have cameras in every room of our homes and especially in our therapists' offices live-feeding to local authorities so the government can help reduce suicides too. That'll help 'em get all those drug dealers and manufacturers too! Imagine the Utopian future when we're all behaving like good little lemmings because we have cameras reporting on our activities every waking moment, and the "undesirables" can just be carted away for reeducation!

Nah. Just take away the guns.
Oh, ok, so we're doing away with the 2nd and 4th amendments both, while also breaking down the barrier between church and state (that's the 1st amendment here in the US) to appease the religious fundamentalists that are trying to take over. That's 30% of our Bill of Rights. Maybe we should reconsider the rest of it too! Let's do away with the 5th, because if we can't catch someone doing something wrong on camera, we should at least be able to still get them under oath and force them to incriminate themselves about... well, something, they'll figure that out while they are questioning the person under oath. Also, the 6th is kind of a pain in the ass, I mean, when dealing with criminals (*ahem* I mean alleged criminals), why do they deserve the right to a speedy trial? THESE ARE CRIMINALS. Allegedly.

Sounds like a plan. Some of the happiest countries on Earth like Finland dont bother with a 'Bill of Rights'. Honestly that document has given you a false sense of security.

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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1204 on: February 04, 2022, 11:26:03 AM »
Suicide kills even more people. Maybe we should have cameras in every room of our homes and especially in our therapists' offices live-feeding to local authorities so the government can help reduce suicides too. That'll help 'em get all those drug dealers and manufacturers too! Imagine the Utopian future when we're all behaving like good little lemmings because we have cameras reporting on our activities every waking moment, and the "undesirables" can just be carted away for reeducation!

Nah. Just take away the guns.
Oh, ok, so we're doing away with the 2nd and 4th amendments both, while also breaking down the barrier between church and state (that's the 1st amendment here in the US) to appease the religious fundamentalists that are trying to take over. That's 30% of our Bill of Rights. Maybe we should reconsider the rest of it too! Let's do away with the 5th, because if we can't catch someone doing something wrong on camera, we should at least be able to still get them under oath and force them to incriminate themselves about... well, something, they'll figure that out while they are questioning the person under oath. Also, the 6th is kind of a pain in the ass, I mean, when dealing with criminals (*ahem* I mean alleged criminals), why do they deserve the right to a speedy trial? THESE ARE CRIMINALS. Allegedly.

Why not all of it?  Wipe the slate clean and start fresh.  Write a constitution where its very very hard for any minority group to screw over America.  Where political parties are outlawed.  Where corruption is punishable by death.  Where if one jackass tries to take control or lie or whip up a frenzied mob, they lose it all...


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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1205 on: February 04, 2022, 11:36:33 AM »
Right, because only the best people will be part of writing the new constitution.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1206 on: February 04, 2022, 11:47:20 AM »
I'm scared for our future at this point.

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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1207 on: February 04, 2022, 12:41:20 PM »
What has the Bill of Rights done for you that it hasn't for other Western countries?

Freedom of speech? Exists in many countries

Seperation of church and state? Many countries enjoy this. However looking at your repugnican parties rhetoric you have to wonder if they respect that because they sound like Christian fundamentalists.

Rights to own guns? Finland also happens to have high gun ownership and they can do it without all the homicides

Look at your government. Look at how it spies on you (eg the Snowden leak that would have impressed the CCP). Honestly how has that Bill of Rights made your country better? How has it made you free? I have never seen a country where the relationship between government and people was more toxic. And not just people having grievances with the government like every country has. I mean your government openly airing disdain for the populous. Yikes



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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1208 on: February 04, 2022, 12:41:39 PM »
Maybe they will put The Right to Party in the new and improved Bill of Rights!

YOU NO LONGER HAVE TO FIGHT FOR THE RIGHT TO PARTY, BECAUSE I, DONALD J. TRUMP (MAGA) HAVE FOUGHT THIS FIGHT FOR YOU.
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« Reply #1209 on: February 04, 2022, 12:43:48 PM »
Right, because only the best people will be part of writing the new constitution.
No one elected the last group.
And truthfully, would YOU trust people to vote on who would be best to write a legal document that could protect and serve a country for 200 years?  I'd be afraid Trump would be chosen to write it.  Now just think about what THAT would look like?
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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1210 on: February 04, 2022, 12:45:16 PM »
Right, because only the best people will be part of writing the new constitution.
No one elected the last group.
And truthfully, would YOU trust people to vote on who would be best to write a legal document that could protect and serve a country for 200 years?  I'd be afraid Trump would be chosen to write it.  Now just think about what THAT would look like?

Read the post I made just before this one.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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« Reply #1211 on: February 04, 2022, 12:56:59 PM »
Right, because only the best people will be part of writing the new constitution.
No one elected the last group.
And truthfully, would YOU trust people to vote on who would be best to write a legal document that could protect and serve a country for 200 years?  I'd be afraid Trump would be chosen to write it.  Now just think about what THAT would look like?

To appease the people worried about his legal credentials, Trump will appoint his friend Rudy Giuliani. So no one has to worry!

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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1212 on: February 04, 2022, 01:00:39 PM »
The world's first constitution written in Just For Men.
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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1213 on: February 04, 2022, 01:01:55 PM »
I have to say, I did not expect America's slide into authoritarianism to be the thing that united the left and the right, both of which openly embraced it albeit through a slightly different angle. Blow up the constitution entirely, bring back prayer in schools, stop teaching evolution when creation is so much better, and put cameras everywhere to report on the heretics. Fuck.

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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1214 on: February 04, 2022, 01:06:06 PM »
Right, because only the best people will be part of writing the new constitution.
No one elected the last group.
And truthfully, would YOU trust people to vote on who would be best to write a legal document that could protect and serve a country for 200 years?  I'd be afraid Trump would be chosen to write it.  Now just think about what THAT would look like?

I am still trying to figure this post out. Does Lorddave want to wipe the constitution out and start fresh or not?
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1215 on: February 04, 2022, 01:50:22 PM »
Right, because only the best people will be part of writing the new constitution.
No one elected the last group.
And truthfully, would YOU trust people to vote on who would be best to write a legal document that could protect and serve a country for 200 years?  I'd be afraid Trump would be chosen to write it.  Now just think about what THAT would look like?

I am still trying to figure this post out. Does Lorddave want to wipe the constitution out and start fresh or not?

I think he wants to wipe it out...?


Suicide kills even more people. Maybe we should have cameras in every room of our homes and especially in our therapists' offices live-feeding to local authorities so the government can help reduce suicides too. That'll help 'em get all those drug dealers and manufacturers too! Imagine the Utopian future when we're all behaving like good little lemmings because we have cameras reporting on our activities every waking moment, and the "undesirables" can just be carted away for reeducation!

Nah. Just take away the guns.
Oh, ok, so we're doing away with the 2nd and 4th amendments both, while also breaking down the barrier between church and state (that's the 1st amendment here in the US) to appease the religious fundamentalists that are trying to take over. That's 30% of our Bill of Rights. Maybe we should reconsider the rest of it too! Let's do away with the 5th, because if we can't catch someone doing something wrong on camera, we should at least be able to still get them under oath and force them to incriminate themselves about... well, something, they'll figure that out while they are questioning the person under oath. Also, the 6th is kind of a pain in the ass, I mean, when dealing with criminals (*ahem* I mean alleged criminals), why do they deserve the right to a speedy trial? THESE ARE CRIMINALS. Allegedly.

Why not all of it?  Wipe the slate clean and start fresh.  Write a constitution where its very very hard for any minority group to screw over America.  Where political parties are outlawed.  Where corruption is punishable by death.  Where if one jackass tries to take control or lie or whip up a frenzied mob, they lose it all...

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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1216 on: February 04, 2022, 03:24:13 PM »
What has the Bill of Rights done for you that it hasn't for other Western countries?

Our Bill of Rights doesn't do anything for other countries, it is for us. 

The Bill of Rights (the first 10 amendments) limit govt power. When our ancestors revolted against Britain people did not have these rights, as I'm sure you know. When the govt infringes on our rights, we have legal avenues to fight the govt, as opposed to revolting against our govt. It is not perfect, but no govt system is. 

Your country has a constitution. You have the right to vote, the right to trial by jury, freedom of religion, etc.  Your rights aren't laid out exactly like ours, but you have them.

I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1217 on: February 04, 2022, 04:46:26 PM »
What has the Bill of Rights done for you that it hasn't for other Western countries?

Our Bill of Rights doesn't do anything for other countries, it is for us. 

The Bill of Rights (the first 10 amendments) limit govt power. When our ancestors revolted against Britain people did not have these rights, as I'm sure you know. When the govt infringes on our rights, we have legal avenues to fight the govt, as opposed to revolting against our govt. It is not perfect, but no govt system is. 

Your country has a constitution. You have the right to vote, the right to trial by jury, freedom of religion, etc.  Your rights aren't laid out exactly like ours, but you have them.


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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1218 on: February 04, 2022, 04:51:09 PM »
I'm talking about using the court system, weirdo. 
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1219 on: February 04, 2022, 04:59:43 PM »
People really seem to not understand the difference between using legislative and judicial avenues to resolve things like this vs. just having another civil war or whatever. But they also confuse what it means to be a citizen of the US vs. what it means to be a consumer in the US, or a corporation for that matter.

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« Reply #1220 on: February 04, 2022, 06:49:53 PM »
Ok what I meant was what are your Bill of Rights doing for you vs other countries that don't have them
Not what your Bill of Rights are doing for a pleb like me lol

Because it seems your government is ignoring it because to look at America, it's not better. Your government is always finding ways to fuck you around and screw with your rights. Did anyone get in deep shit after the Snowden leak? Apart from Snowden who is considered a traitor. His crime? Exposing the governments crimes


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« Reply #1221 on: February 04, 2022, 07:30:29 PM »
Other countries have some similar rights in their own constitutions. I'm not sure what you are getting at. The US getting rid of the Bill of Rights won't help make us more like other countries. It will set us further back, because those rights would be abolished unless and until they were voted back into the Constitution. That's not really an option. Protecting those rights, and strengthening them to better prevent from attacks against them, is what we should be doing. Especially the ones that involve autonomy from 24/7 government spying.

The fact that we have fucked up with privacy so bad shouldn't mean we just forget about privacy altogether, the same way you don't just burn your house down because the attic got a bit more messy than you ever should have allowed. We just need to clean up a bit. Well... a lot. But it's a housecleaning problem, not a nuclear problem. Hopefully.

...But the nuclear option is of course always on the table in the U S of A.

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« Reply #1222 on: February 04, 2022, 07:54:50 PM »
Other countries have some similar rights in their own constitutions. I'm not sure what you are getting at. The US getting rid of the Bill of Rights won't help make us more like other countries. It will set us further back, because those rights would be abolished unless and until they were voted back into the Constitution. That's not really an option. Protecting those rights, and strengthening them to better prevent from attacks against them, is what we should be doing. Especially the ones that involve autonomy from 24/7 government spying.

The fact that we have fucked up with privacy so bad shouldn't mean we just forget about privacy altogether, the same way you don't just burn your house down because the attic got a bit more messy than you ever should have allowed. We just need to clean up a bit. Well... a lot. But it's a housecleaning problem, not a nuclear problem. Hopefully.

...But the nuclear option is of course always on the table in the U S of A.

Not saying they should be abolished, but I see that a lot of Americans boast about having them. Even people in Oz are saying we should have a 'Bill of Rights'. I just ask why? Lol

Can't anyone add to them to to reflect the 21st century?

The government will not spy on us or invade our privacy! And they can not ask any other company to do so

Also

No one can not buy, sell or collect users data.

If you had those you would once again be the envy of the world

Mark Zuckerberg might get a bit pissed though. But fuck him

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« Reply #1223 on: February 04, 2022, 08:29:27 PM »
New amendments can be added, that's how we got all the ones we have already. The Bill of Rights is defined to be the first 10 amendments though, and they are very deeply enshrined in American history and culture.

Passing new amendments is incredibly challenging, especially in today's political atmosphere. And it should be challenging, because making changes to the rights your society is entitled to should be a very serious endeavor.

We need to be better about protecting our individual rights, instead of willfully giving them up though. It's not about trusting the people in power, so much as it's about having protection from future attacks on your freedom from the people that could one day reasonably find themselves in positions of power and take advantage of the rights you have already given away.

The 4th amendment is the one that's supposed to protect us from the government spying on us, or even just invading our privacy. But we caved on that for the Patriot Act and it just keeps getting eroded further away. That's the issue. These changes are not one-and-done. They are made under the guise of being temporary measures to protect us during a time of crisis, but they keep getting renewed and extended and the scope of the exceptions keeps creeping and creeping ever larger.
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« Reply #1224 on: February 04, 2022, 08:36:34 PM »
The 4th amendment is the one that's supposed to protect us from the government spying on us, or even just invading our privacy. But we caved on that for the Patriot Act and it just keeps getting eroded further away. That's the issue. These changes are not one-and-done. They are made under the guise of being temporary measures to protect us during a time of crisis, but they keep getting renewed and extended and the scope of the exceptions keeps creeping and creeping ever larger.

Kind of like Israel which was granted authority to track people's smartphones using 'anti terror laws'

Along comes a pandemic and they gave themselves the ability to track everyone's phone regardless of being a criminal or not

I'm just a simple pleb. I can't fathom what the end game is. Why the lust for power and control? What do they get? (apart from disdain). At the end of the day, who cares what Joe Bloggs is up to??

The guys is power are public servants. Not masters. Honestly they should count themselves lower in the pecking order. The guy that drives the truck collecting everyone's garbage... The guy that scrubs public toilets..... Are higher than a pollie

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« Reply #1225 on: February 04, 2022, 08:59:26 PM »
I agree wholeheartedly with your post. And that's a huge part of why I don't think simply accepting even more surveillance is a wise move, at least not in the US, and not right now. We had a huge shift into authoritarian-adjacent sympathizing over at least the last 20 years and the pendulum seems to keep swinging further instead of swinging back in the other direction. If people don't start resisting it, it's not going to stop. And it's clear there are people seeking (and winning...) positions of power that are more than happy to keep pushing further to ensure that.

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« Reply #1226 on: February 04, 2022, 09:12:06 PM »
I agree wholeheartedly with your post. And that's a huge part of why I don't think simply accepting even more surveillance is a wise move, at least not in the US, and not right now. We had a huge shift into authoritarian-adjacent sympathizing over at least the last 20 years and the pendulum seems to keep swinging further instead of swinging back in the other direction. If people don't start resisting it, it's not going to stop. And it's clear there are people seeking (and winning...) positions of power that are more than happy to keep pushing further to ensure that.

Alright. I can accept the American experience is totally different to others experiences. What is probably innocent, innocuous and well intentioned in one country can be disturbing for another.

Your countries slide into authoritarianism is moving at a disturbing pace. I can see how vulnerable even Australia can be to it though. There are some real losers driven by Trump styled popularism inching their ways into the halls of power. So far at least, they are so few and only attract single digit popularity. But the more our governments have their snouts in the trough, the more people will turn to the losers to 'protest vote'.

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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1227 on: February 05, 2022, 12:29:11 AM »
I'm talking about using the court system, weirdo.


I dunno.
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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1228 on: February 05, 2022, 12:35:53 AM »


The fact that we have fucked up with privacy so bad shouldn't mean we just forget about privacy altogether, the same way you don't just burn your house down because the attic got a bit more messy than you ever should have allowed. We just need to clean up a bit. Well... a lot. But it's a housecleaning problem, not a nuclear problem. Hopefully.

...But the nuclear option is of course always on the table in the U S of A.


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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1229 on: February 05, 2022, 12:51:59 AM »
Bill o rights although pretty loosely worded and 10,000yo at least gives the highsst courts and the people a basis to work with.
Canada has a constitution.



Funny this survellience

The internet has already been an open border problem where pedos or scammers or commie! infiltrators can anonymously and remotely move in and out of soverign nations.

People have hard enough time keeping cops out and off their property and then we have big govt snooping in the virtual property.

Some better internet laws need to be made.

Imagine big corp sending a person to look over your shoulder while you shop at the gorcery and look in your window as you do you life things.

An update to personal space to include avatars and yiutube deplatforming and whatevers going on in rumble land.

Also.
Sned rumble peiple to git mo.
That would be hillarious.


Funny how 4th doesnt apply to native land treaties vs big oil or black people civil forfietures vs sherifs needs a new car.
Hurray to for-profit govt.



The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.