The flat earther sees what's true

I found a good example of how a flat earther sees the truth of our world. Except we don't need fancy glasses. Just an enlightened mind.

The rest of you are no better than mindless lemmings. Just do as your told and don't ask questions

On it!

I found a good example of how a flat earther sees the truth of our world.

Saying things like that almost makes you sound like a flat Earth believer.  Yet you have insisted previously that you don't have a particular view on either side.

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I found a good example of how a flat earther sees the truth of our world.

Saying things like that almost makes you sound like a flat Earth believer.  Yet you have insisted previously that you don't have a particular view on either side.

I think he decided there was more troll potential in going full flat.

I'm not sure what the point of this inane OP is however, as I bet even rab won't respond to it.

I found a good example of how a flat earther sees the truth of our world. Except we don't need fancy glasses. Just an enlightened mind.

The rest of you are no better than mindless lemmings. Just do as your told and don't ask questions

Correction thinking lemmings are mindless is actually falling for fake news. Lemmings jumping off a cliff was a hoax.

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I found a good example of how a flat earther sees the truth of our world. Except we don't need fancy glasses. Just an enlightened mind.

The rest of you are no better than mindless lemmings. Just do as your told and don't ask questions

We know the world is round because we ask questions.

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I found a good example of how a flat earther sees the truth of our world.

Saying things like that almost makes you sound like a flat Earth believer.  Yet you have insisted previously that you don't have a particular view on either side.

I think he decided there was more troll potential in going full flat.

I'm not sure what the point of this inane OP is however, as I bet even rab won't respond to it.

What makes you think whether I care about rab replying or not? It is inconsequential. Your replies on the other hand.... Hilarious

It is odd people do live without questioning anything though. No better than a dog mindlessly obeying his master. Waking up each day without the concept of a tomorrow. Just trolls along with the present.

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I found a good example of how a flat earther sees the truth of our world.

Saying things like that almost makes you sound like a flat Earth believer.  Yet you have insisted previously that you don't have a particular view on either side.

I think he decided there was more troll potential in going full flat.

I'm not sure what the point of this inane OP is however, as I bet even rab won't respond to it.

What makes you think whether I care about rab replying or not? It is inconsequential. Your replies on the other hand.... Hilarious

It is odd people do live without questioning anything though. No better than a dog mindlessly obeying his master. Waking up each day without the concept of a tomorrow. Just trolls along with the present.

Yes, many people don't bother think about what they see and some of way-out hypotheses like the Earth's being flat can make person think.

But then flat-Earthers destroy all that by claim contrary  evidence  must be fake/CGI planted by "the Conspiracy "!
Go figure!

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I found a good example of how a flat earther sees the truth of our world.

Saying things like that almost makes you sound like a flat Earth believer.  Yet you have insisted previously that you don't have a particular view on either side.

I think he decided there was more troll potential in going full flat.

I'm not sure what the point of this inane OP is however, as I bet even rab won't respond to it.

What makes you think whether I care about rab replying or not? It is inconsequential. Your replies on the other hand.... Hilarious

It is odd people do live without questioning anything though. No better than a dog mindlessly obeying his master. Waking up each day without the concept of a tomorrow. Just trolls along with the present.

Yes, many people don't bother think about what they see and some of way-out hypotheses like the Earth's being flat can make person think.

But then flat-Earthers destroy all that by claim contrary  evidence  must be fake/CGI planted by "the Conspiracy "!
Go figure!

This guy gets it

But no need to generalise all flat earthers though. I mean the nit wits on YouTube I'd agree with you on. But some here are in a whole other league of their own

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I found a good example of how a flat earther sees the truth of our world.

Saying things like that almost makes you sound like a flat Earth believer.  Yet you have insisted previously that you don't have a particular view on either side.

I think he decided there was more troll potential in going full flat.

I'm not sure what the point of this inane OP is however, as I bet even rab won't respond to it.

What makes you think whether I care about rab replying or not? It is inconsequential. Your replies on the other hand.... Hilarious

It is odd people do live without questioning anything though. No better than a dog mindlessly obeying his master. Waking up each day without the concept of a tomorrow. Just trolls along with the present.

Yes, many people don't bother think about what they see and some of way-out hypotheses like the Earth's being flat can make person think.

But then flat-Earthers destroy all that by claim contrary  evidence  must be fake/CGI planted by "the Conspiracy "!
Go figure!

This guy gets it

But no need to generalise all flat earthers though. I mean the nit wits on YouTube I'd agree with you on. But some here are in a whole other league of their own

Of course I've known and said much before and I could name probably three who do have their own "storylines.".

Haha!

I love They Live, and it’s a truly terrible example of the point you are trying to make.

Our boy Roddy here, never questions a damn thing.  He didn’t make the glasses, he doesn’t know how they are supposed to work.  He just stumbles on something showing him an alternative version of the world, and blindly accepts his new reality without reservation.

It never once occurs to him that it might be the glasses made in some back alley lab making him see shit that’s not there, instead of the other way round.  It never crosses his mind that he might have been taken in by a big hoax perpetuated by arseholes before he starts going postal.

Of course it’s a film and he’s the protagonist, so it’s all good.   The far more likely explanation that it’s all smoke and mirrors feeding his paranoia isn’t even considered. 

And it’s the same sentiment that flat earth YouTube videos prey off.  Everyone wants to be on the side of the Rebel Alliance, or the Fellowship of the Ring, or Neo, or whatever.  But what if you actually aren’t that special?  What if the thing you convinced yourself was the truth, was just a load of nonsense?

If you really want to question things and be a proper sceptic, you’re better off following how scientists question things.  Questions like “what don’t I understand about this?” and “how might my experiment be flawed?”

I found a good example of how a flat earther sees the truth of our world. Except we don't need fancy glasses. Just an enlightened mind.

The rest of you are no better than mindless lemmings. Just do as your told and don't ask questions

The video shows what happened when Copernicus, Giordano Bruno, Galileo and others saw that the Earth actually isn't fixed in place as Dogma (Church)claimed.
And the Chursh did just what the aliens in the movie did. Blocked the general info.
Giordano Bruno was burned at stake.
Galileo was sentenced to home prison for showing that the Earth is not static, and exiting the court room he still says "eppur si muove".

What could hold our planet in place?
Especially when the Sun and all outer planets are so much bigger (Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune).

I found a good example of how a flat earther sees the truth of our world. Except we don't need fancy glasses. Just an enlightened mind.

The rest of you are no better than mindless lemmings. Just do as your told and don't ask questions

So pray tell everyone what is it you are seeing through your distortion free glasses. What revelations do you have that you can share with us?

“I'm giving you a choice.  Either put on these glasses, or start eating that trashcan.”



Ah, the struggle to wake people up to da troof.  So much more entertaining than the red pill/blue pill meme.

I found a good example of how a flat earther sees the truth of our world. Except we don't need fancy glasses. Just an enlightened mind.

The rest of you are no better than mindless lemmings. Just do as your told and don't ask questions

Classic. Flat earthers devoid of any real proof have to resort to using fiction to make a point, be it a fictional  one!

Quote from: Shifter on July 11, 2020, 05:19:02 AM

I found a good example of how a flat earther sees the truth of our world. Except we don't need fancy glasses. Just an enlightened mind.

The rest of you are no better than mindless lemmings. Just do as your told and don't ask questions

Classic. Flat earthers devoid of any real proof have to resort to using fiction to make a point, be it a fictional  one!

You guys never heard of examples to make a point? I'm not talking about the entire movie of 'they live' or suggesting it's premise is true

I am talking about how flat earthers see the world differently ie for what it really is compared to indoctrinated round earthers who see it as they are told to see it

I am talking about how flat earthers see the world differently ie for what it really is compared to indoctrinated round earthers who see it as they are told to see it

You are joking, I hope?

What "indoctrinated round earthers" here "see it as they are told to see it"?
And who tells them "how to see the world"?

Flat Earthers would never dream up a silly flat Earth with Antarctica as a "forbidden" ring continent individually!

Flat Earthers are more indoctrinated than anyone!

You guys never heard of examples to make a point? I'm not talking about the entire movie of 'they live' or suggesting it's premise is true

I am talking about how flat earthers see the world differently ie for what it really is compared to indoctrinated round earthers who see it as they are told to see it

Then it’s a bad example to make a bad point.

The heroes in They Live don’t “see the world differently”, they discover the nefarious lie and wage guerrilla warfare against those running the show.  What’s the real world equivalent of that?  Blowing up a university astronomy department?

Without any of basic premise of the film, what does your example even mean?

Your lines about “indoctrination” and how we “don’t ask questions” are just the usual unthinking bollocks.  Science and science education is all about asking questions.  Understanding science is about knowing what questions were asked and how people came to the conclusions they did.

That’s how society got the technology for you to spread your condensing crap about us being “mindless”.

Edit: Misread something.

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I found a good example of how a flat earther sees the truth of our world.

Saying things like that almost makes you sound like a flat Earth believer.  Yet you have insisted previously that you don't have a particular view on either side.

I think he decided there was more troll potential in going full flat.

I'm not sure what the point of this inane OP is however, as I bet even rab won't respond to it.

What makes you think whether I care about rab replying or not? It is inconsequential. Your replies on the other hand.... Hilarious

It is odd people do live without questioning anything though. No better than a dog mindlessly obeying his master. Waking up each day without the concept of a tomorrow. Just trolls along with the present.

Everyone should be free to think what they wish. The problems begin when zealots start pronouncing that it is only they, due to their ‘free thinking’. are able to see and know the truth, and everyone else is being controlled by some hidden 1984ish authoritarian power.

So what does ‘free thinking’ actually mean according to a flat earther? From the many examples on this forum it appears to mean being allowed to think up any idea one wishes and proclaiming it to be true, regardless of available evidence.

For example, flat earthers proclaim the sun is a small body near to the earth and not 1.4 million kilometres in diameter at a distance of around 150 million kilometres. Why do they think that? What actual evidence do they base their ‘free thinking’ on? They base it on no evidence at all, rather they base it on need. They need the sun to be small and near to fit with the earth being flat, so hey presto!  It becomes a flat earth free thinking truth, despite all the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

To establish the ‘truth’ in regard to the shape of the earth, for example, is ridiculously simple in this day and age. All you need is a person in Australia and one in the UK. Other country combinations will also work, southern Chile and Canada for example. Get each to take a well exposed photo of the moon on a clear night with a camera with a reasonable telephoto lens.
An examination of the two photos will reveal that the photographs of the same moon are very different. A right thinking person would conclude that this, along with all the other evidence, points to the earth being a sphere of some sort, with each of the two photographers being on opposite hemispheres. A free thinking flat earther would concoct some elaborate story to make the pictures fit what they believe, despite the evidence of their own eyes.

Flat earth ‘free thinking’ should be called ‘locked in thinking’ as everything they think has to conform to their flat earth belief no matter what.

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I found a good example of how a flat earther sees the truth of our world.

Saying things like that almost makes you sound like a flat Earth believer.  Yet you have insisted previously that you don't have a particular view on either side.

I think he decided there was more troll potential in going full flat.

I'm not sure what the point of this inane OP is however, as I bet even rab won't respond to it.

What makes you think whether I care about rab replying or not? It is inconsequential. Your replies on the other hand.... Hilarious

It is odd people do live without questioning anything though. No better than a dog mindlessly obeying his master. Waking up each day without the concept of a tomorrow. Just trolls along with the present.

Everyone should be free to think what they wish. The problems begin when zealots start pronouncing that it is only they, due to their ‘free thinking’. are able to see and know the truth, and everyone else is being controlled by some hidden 1984ish authoritarian power.

So what does ‘free thinking’ actually mean according to a flat earther? From the many examples on this forum it appears to mean being allowed to think up any idea one wishes and proclaiming it to be true, regardless of available evidence.

For example, flat earthers proclaim the sun is a small body near to the earth and not 1.4 million kilometres in diameter at a distance of around 150 million kilometres. Why do they think that? What actual evidence do they base their ‘free thinking’ on? They base it on no evidence at all, rather they base it on need. They need the sun to be small and near to fit with the earth being flat, so hey presto!  It becomes a flat earth free thinking truth, despite all the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

To establish the ‘truth’ in regard to the shape of the earth, for example, is ridiculously simple in this day and age. All you need is a person in Australia and one in the UK. Other country combinations will also work, southern Chile and Canada for example. Get each to take a well exposed photo of the moon on a clear night with a camera with a reasonable telephoto lens.
An examination of the two photos will reveal that the photographs of the same moon are very different. A right thinking person would conclude that this, along with all the other evidence, points to the earth being a sphere of some sort, with each of the two photographers being on opposite hemispheres. A free thinking flat earther would concoct some elaborate story to make the pictures fit what they believe, despite the evidence of their own eyes.

Flat earth ‘free thinking’ should be called ‘locked in thinking’ as everything they think has to conform to their flat earth belief no matter what.

Locked in thinking is what you get when you put ideas into a book. If a Flat Earther says one day one thing and another day, changes it up, that is free. There is no constraints. It is for the most part, a free world. It is not for you to decide what their truth is

Are you sure you're not the zealot pronouncing your theory is the only theory?

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I found a good example of how a flat earther sees the truth of our world.

Saying things like that almost makes you sound like a flat Earth believer.  Yet you have insisted previously that you don't have a particular view on either side.

I think he decided there was more troll potential in going full flat.

I'm not sure what the point of this inane OP is however, as I bet even rab won't respond to it.

What makes you think whether I care about rab replying or not? It is inconsequential. Your replies on the other hand.... Hilarious

It is odd people do live without questioning anything though. No better than a dog mindlessly obeying his master. Waking up each day without the concept of a tomorrow. Just trolls along with the present.

Everyone should be free to think what they wish. The problems begin when zealots start pronouncing that it is only they, due to their ‘free thinking’. are able to see and know the truth, and everyone else is being controlled by some hidden 1984ish authoritarian power.

So what does ‘free thinking’ actually mean according to a flat earther? From the many examples on this forum it appears to mean being allowed to think up any idea one wishes and proclaiming it to be true, regardless of available evidence.

For example, flat earthers proclaim the sun is a small body near to the earth and not 1.4 million kilometres in diameter at a distance of around 150 million kilometres. Why do they think that? What actual evidence do they base their ‘free thinking’ on? They base it on no evidence at all, rather they base it on need. They need the sun to be small and near to fit with the earth being flat, so hey presto!  It becomes a flat earth free thinking truth, despite all the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

To establish the ‘truth’ in regard to the shape of the earth, for example, is ridiculously simple in this day and age. All you need is a person in Australia and one in the UK. Other country combinations will also work, southern Chile and Canada for example. Get each to take a well exposed photo of the moon on a clear night with a camera with a reasonable telephoto lens.
An examination of the two photos will reveal that the photographs of the same moon are very different. A right thinking person would conclude that this, along with all the other evidence, points to the earth being a sphere of some sort, with each of the two photographers being on opposite hemispheres. A free thinking flat earther would concoct some elaborate story to make the pictures fit what they believe, despite the evidence of their own eyes.

Flat earth ‘free thinking’ should be called ‘locked in thinking’ as everything they think has to conform to their flat earth belief no matter what.

Locked in thinking is what you get when you put ideas into a book. If a Flat Earther says one day one thing and another day, changes it up, that is free. There is no constraints. It is for the most part, a free world. It is not for you to decide what their truth is

Are you sure you're not the zealot pronouncing your theory is the only theory?

In essence what you are saying is truth to a flat earther is irrelevant as it can change on a daily basis

How does your flat earth free thinking, today, explain the difference in the photographs of the moon in the example I mentioned earlier? Would you have a different explanation next week?

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I found a good example of how a flat earther sees the truth of our world.

Saying things like that almost makes you sound like a flat Earth believer.  Yet you have insisted previously that you don't have a particular view on either side.

I think he decided there was more troll potential in going full flat.

I'm not sure what the point of this inane OP is however, as I bet even rab won't respond to it.

What makes you think whether I care about rab replying or not? It is inconsequential. Your replies on the other hand.... Hilarious

It is odd people do live without questioning anything though. No better than a dog mindlessly obeying his master. Waking up each day without the concept of a tomorrow. Just trolls along with the present.

Everyone should be free to think what they wish. The problems begin when zealots start pronouncing that it is only they, due to their ‘free thinking’. are able to see and know the truth, and everyone else is being controlled by some hidden 1984ish authoritarian power.

So what does ‘free thinking’ actually mean according to a flat earther? From the many examples on this forum it appears to mean being allowed to think up any idea one wishes and proclaiming it to be true, regardless of available evidence.

For example, flat earthers proclaim the sun is a small body near to the earth and not 1.4 million kilometres in diameter at a distance of around 150 million kilometres. Why do they think that? What actual evidence do they base their ‘free thinking’ on? They base it on no evidence at all, rather they base it on need. They need the sun to be small and near to fit with the earth being flat, so hey presto!  It becomes a flat earth free thinking truth, despite all the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

To establish the ‘truth’ in regard to the shape of the earth, for example, is ridiculously simple in this day and age. All you need is a person in Australia and one in the UK. Other country combinations will also work, southern Chile and Canada for example. Get each to take a well exposed photo of the moon on a clear night with a camera with a reasonable telephoto lens.
An examination of the two photos will reveal that the photographs of the same moon are very different. A right thinking person would conclude that this, along with all the other evidence, points to the earth being a sphere of some sort, with each of the two photographers being on opposite hemispheres. A free thinking flat earther would concoct some elaborate story to make the pictures fit what they believe, despite the evidence of their own eyes.

Flat earth ‘free thinking’ should be called ‘locked in thinking’ as everything they think has to conform to their flat earth belief no matter what.

Locked in thinking is what you get when you put ideas into a book. If a Flat Earther says one day one thing and another day, changes it up, that is free. There is no constraints. It is for the most part, a free world. It is not for you to decide what their truth is

Are you sure you're not the zealot pronouncing your theory is the only theory?

In essence what you are saying is truth to a flat earther is irrelevant as it can change on a daily basis

How does your flat earth free thinking, today, explain the difference in the photographs of the moon in the example I mentioned earlier? Would you have a different explanation next week?

Depends on what information comes to light next week. I'm not going to pull out a century old book and say 'but but, here it says...'

Our understanding of the universe is constantly evolving. It is foolhardy to regress your understanding by centuries because you think there has been nothing new to be learnt.

Locked in thinking is what you get when you put ideas into a book. If a Flat Earther says one day one thing and another day, changes it up, that is free. There is no constraints. It is for the most part, a free world. It is not for you to decide what their truth is

It does?
A book like Samuel Birley Rowbotham's "Earth is not a Globe" or "Zetetic Cosmology" seems to lock in flat Earth model ideas.
This book set the basis of most common flat Earth "model" still used today!

All your talk "free thinking" and "the truth" is meaningless when discussing the shape of a huge solid object like the Earth.
The Earth is the shape it is and it is not a matter of personal choice whatever you might think!

That can only be determined by evidence gained by observation and experiment but that evidence has accumulated over a couple of millennia.
And, of course, you know the answer!

Are you sure you're not the zealot pronouncing your theory is the only theory?

Well, many flat Earthers do think that their own theory is the only theory. You try to change Sandokhan's or Wise's mind about their respective theories!

Are you sure you're not the zealot pronouncing your theory is the only theory?

Flat Earthers may well come up with many different theories and model. The problem is that they all maintain the same common problem of assuming the Earth is flat.

Depends on what information comes to light next week. I'm not going to pull out a century old book and say 'but but, here it says...'

Our understanding of the universe is constantly evolving. It is foolhardy to regress your understanding by centuries because you think there has been nothing new to be learnt.

That's a great anti flat earther quote there.

Considering the Rowbotham book is a bible for a lot of them, and the vast majority of arguments are based on 500 year old astronomers observations and disprove theories from hundreds of years ago. "But Tycho said the Earth doesn't orbit!"

They think Rowbotham proved the Earth is flat, and all the knowledge that we gained after that is wrong because there is nothing new to learn.

As opposed to science, which is constantly trying to learn new things, expand and improve old theories, and replace them if we find a better one.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

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Depends on what information comes to light next week. I'm not going to pull out a century old book and say 'but but, here it says...'

Our understanding of the universe is constantly evolving. It is foolhardy to regress your understanding by centuries because you think there has been nothing new to be learnt.

That's a great anti flat earther quote there.

Considering the Rowbotham book is a bible for a lot of them, and the vast majority of arguments are based on 500 year old astronomers observations and disprove theories from hundreds of years ago. "But Tycho said the Earth doesn't orbit!"

They think Rowbotham proved the Earth is flat, and all the knowledge that we gained after that is wrong because there is nothing new to learn.

As opposed to science, which is constantly trying to learn new things, expand and improve old theories, and replace them if we find a better one.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

Nobody is bound to it though. That is why there are so many 'models'

Round Earthers are stuck on one model and for the most part, it doesn't matter what new information gets presented, unless mainstream think decides to change, individuals wont.

So round Earthers should have more models? Why?

So round Earthers should have more models? Why?

No, but they should be open to the possibility they are wrong. Or at least not seeing the sheer scale of how the universe operates.

To me, it doesn't matter if humans can never interact or even know of the existence of other spatial dimensions. If they exist, they are part of our universe and should be included.

But if our universe is nothing but a holographic projection from a 2D source, well that sounds like we live on Flatland. It's just physics we haven't learned about that makes our world appear spherical.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_principle

Keep in mind also everything about the universe lends itself to a flat shape. The universe is said to be flat. The Plane of the Ecliptic, flat. Many galaxy shapes - flat. Earth - flat.

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Depends on what information comes to light next week. I'm not going to pull out a century old book and say 'but but, here it says...'

Our understanding of the universe is constantly evolving. It is foolhardy to regress your understanding by centuries because you think there has been nothing new to be learnt.

That's a great anti flat earther quote there.

Considering the Rowbotham book is a bible for a lot of them, and the vast majority of arguments are based on 500 year old astronomers observations and disprove theories from hundreds of years ago. "But Tycho said the Earth doesn't orbit!"

They think Rowbotham proved the Earth is flat, and all the knowledge that we gained after that is wrong because there is nothing new to learn.

As opposed to science, which is constantly trying to learn new things, expand and improve old theories, and replace them if we find a better one.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

Nobody is bound to it though. That is why there are so many 'models'

Round Earthers are stuck on one model and for the most part, it doesn't matter what new information gets presented, unless mainstream think decides to change, individuals wont.

No, that is 100% not true at all.  You have it completely wrong.

If there was GOOD, SOLID evidence of a flat Earth, people would believe that. Scientists would be the first to change to the new theory.  I would personally be amazed and excited and thrilled.

You are talking like there is good evidence, like China has been sending up rockets and showing pictures of a flat disk and mounting expeditions over the edge and analyzing samples of the dome and landing probes on the back of the spotlight sun, but the rest of the world is covering it up, or something.

No, people believe the world is round because there is no good reason to think otherwise.

It's good to imagine alternate possibilities, that's why I'm here!  But it's not good to reject reality in favor of a bunch of random 'models' for no other reason than to be able to claim your not stuck in the mainstream.

It's good to imagine alternate possibilities, that's why I'm here!  But it's not good to reject reality in favor of a bunch of random 'models' for no other reason than to be able to claim your not stuck in the mainstream.

This is the thing. Snowflake is strong.

I'd hazard a guess in quite many, if not most, cases of FE it is FE which is their only means of having a leg up on others.