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The deception that the sun's rays are coming inclined
« on: July 06, 2020, 02:22:01 AM »
The amount of energy produced by a solar panel during the day is as follows.



It will be seen that this is impossible in the globalist system where the distance of the sun is constant. But this graphic is compatible with the flat world model. Since the sun is distant in the morning and evening hours, the amount of energy is decreasing rapidly.

In such a situation, globalists resort to a lie as follow: "The sun's rays are coming inclined to the atmosphere".

There is no scientific study on this subject shows the relationship between what happens if sun rays come vertical or horizontal.

Here again, I see the helplessness of the globalists and watch with pleasure.
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Re: The deception that the sun's rays are coming inclined
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2020, 02:34:58 AM »
Quote from: wise on July 06, 2020, 02:22:01 AM
The amount of energy produced by a solar panel during the day is as follows.



It will be seen that this is impossible in the globalist system where the distance of the sun is constant. But this graphic is compatible with the flat world model. Since the sun is distant in the morning and evening hours, the amount of energy is decreasing rapidly.

In such a situation, globalists resort to a lie as follow: "The sun's rays are coming inclined to the atmosphere".

There is no scientific study on this subject shows the relationship between what happens if sun rays come vertical or horizontal.

Here again, I see the helplessness of the globalists and watch with pleasure.

Does sunrise and sunset not factor into this? As well as the set angle of a panel to get the maximum exposure for each sunny day?
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Re: The deception that the sun's rays are coming inclined
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2020, 02:44:54 AM »
Quote from: wise on July 06, 2020, 02:22:01 AM
The amount of energy produced by a solar panel during the day is as follows.

It will be seen that this is impossible in the globalist system where the distance of the sun is constant.
You have already answered why this is the case, which means it isn't a problem for the globe at all.

The sun does not strike the panel perpindicularly.

Quote from: wise on July 06, 2020, 02:22:01 AM
There is no scientific study on this subject shows the relationship between what happens if sun rays come vertical or horizontal.
No, it is extremely basic science.
The solar radiation has a fairly constant flux, that is energy per unit area per unit time. But this area is measured perpendicular to the direction the rays come in.
If the solar panel is at an angle, then it covers less area of the ray. That means it receives less energy.
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Re: The deception that the sun's rays are coming inclined
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2020, 04:30:09 AM »
Quote from: wise on July 06, 2020, 02:22:01 AM
The amount of energy produced by a solar panel during the day is as follows.



It will be seen that this is impossible in the globalist system where the distance of the sun is constant. But this graphic is compatible with the flat world model. Since the sun is distant in the morning and evening hours, the amount of energy is decreasing rapidly.

In such a situation, globalists resort to a lie as follow: "The sun's rays are coming inclined to the atmosphere".

There is no scientific study on this subject shows the relationship between what happens if sun rays come vertical or horizontal.

Here again, I see the helplessness of the globalists and watch with pleasure.
Even little kids know the sun is less bright at sun rise and sunset. The angle of the sun matters.
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Re: The deception that the sun's rays are coming inclined
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2020, 04:32:04 AM »
Quote from: wise on July 06, 2020, 02:22:01 AM
The amount of energy produced by a solar panel during the day is as follows.



It will be seen that this is impossible in the globalist system where the distance of the sun is constant. But this graphic is compatible with the flat world model. Since the sun is distant in the morning and evening hours, the amount of energy is decreasing rapidly.

In such a situation, globalists resort to a lie as follow: "The sun's rays are coming inclined to the atmosphere".

There is no scientific study on this subject shows the relationship between what happens if sun rays come vertical or horizontal.

Here again, I see the helplessness of the globalists and watch with pleasure.

I think Wise is looking at this graph and thinking it means the Suns energy actually gets brighter and dimmer.

Not that it's a graph measured at one point on a rotating earth as the Sun rises and sets, changing the angle.

But it's hard to tell.

This is super easy to prove, either way.  Just take a sheet of paper, hold it in front of a light, then tilt it. Watch it get dimmer.
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Re: The deception that the sun's rays are coming inclined
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2020, 05:31:34 AM »
I don't understand what the so-called 'deception' is. Of course if a solar panel is static then the actual incident energy from the Sun will depend on the altitude of the Su and the angle of incident light on it.

So the bar chart is exactly what you would expect isn't it?.
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Re: The deception that the sun's rays are coming inclined
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2020, 06:34:15 AM »
Quote from: sokarul on July 06, 2020, 04:30:09 AM
Even little kids know the sun is less bright at sun rise and sunset. The angle of the sun matters.
Can you show how affect the angle of the sun, please with diagram? Even little kids can draw it, right?
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Re: The deception that the sun's rays are coming inclined
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2020, 06:43:24 AM »
Someone doesn't understand how solar panels work.
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Re: The deception that the sun's rays are coming inclined
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2020, 08:00:15 AM »
Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on July 06, 2020, 06:43:24 AM
Someone doesn't understand how solar panels work.
Someone sometimes mistakes the moon for the sun, go figure...
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Re: The deception that the sun's rays are coming inclined
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2020, 09:07:52 AM »
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Can you show how affect the angle of the sun, please with diagram? Even little kids can draw it, right?

You don't get it do you.  There is NO deception going on here.  Just your in consistent desire to prove anyone who doesn't see things the way you do wrong. All you ever do is complain, complain and complain about 'angry globalists'...and anyone else who doesn't see things the way you do. It's getting a bit boring now.

As a flat Earth Scientist, professor and whatever other fancy labels you want to attach to yourself, if a little kid can draw it and understand it then probably you should be able to as well.

Just to re-iterate AGAIN. The intensity of sunlight at any single location has nothing to do with the distance of the Sun.  It is to do with the altitude of the Sun over the horizon.  And that is exactly what your graph shows.  If you want to learn some science, when the Sun is low down as it is at sunset or sunrise, solar radiation is passing through a thicker depth of atmosphere and so is both absorbed and scattered more.  The scattering effect is greatest for shorter wavelengths which is why the Sun looks red when it is low down.  Red light has the longest wavelength of the optical waveband and so it passes through the dust particles in the atmosphere more easily.  The reason for this is that the average diameter of dust particles in the atmosphere is on average less than the wavelength of red light.

Scattering and absorption is least when the Sun passes through the northern or southern meridian (depending on whether you are in the southern or northern hemisphere) and so the middle section of the day is the hottest.  The Suns distance to the observer remains constant throughout the day.

So there you go.  A full explanation of what the graph shows and absolutely no deception whatsoever.  Just simple physics.  Happy now?

 
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Re: The deception that the sun's rays are coming inclined
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2020, 03:20:59 PM »
Quote from: wise on July 06, 2020, 06:34:15 AM
Can you show how affect the angle of the sun, please with diagram? Even little kids can draw it, right?
I am assuming that the site you found it on would have had a diagram. But here you go:


Doesn't take a genius.
When the sun rays hits the panel perpendicular to it, it's effective area is its actual area.
But when it is at an angle, the effective area is reduced (the grey line in the diagram), based upon the sine of the angle.
This means it gets less power per unit area when it is not directly facing the sun.
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Re: The deception that the sun's rays are coming inclined
« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2020, 11:47:33 PM »
Quote from: wise on July 06, 2020, 06:34:15 AM
Quote from: sokarul on July 06, 2020, 04:30:09 AM
Even little kids know the sun is less bright at sun rise and sunset. The angle of the sun matters.
Can you show how affect the angle of the sun, please with diagram? Even little kids can draw it, right?
Once again, a diagram that even little kids draw, but globalists can't. We call this event as despair.
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Re: The deception that the sun's rays are coming inclined
« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2020, 11:52:18 PM »
Quote from: wise on July 06, 2020, 11:47:33 PM
Quote from: wise on July 06, 2020, 06:34:15 AM
Quote from: sokarul on July 06, 2020, 04:30:09 AM
Even little kids know the sun is less bright at sun rise and sunset. The angle of the sun matters.
Can you show how affect the angle of the sun, please with diagram? Even little kids can draw it, right?
Once again, a diagram that even little kids draw, but globalists can't. We call this event as despair.

If you didn't have people on your ignore list you might actually learn something every now and again:

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Quote from: wise on July 06, 2020, 06:34:15 AM
Can you show how affect the angle of the sun, please with diagram? Even little kids can draw it, right?
I am assuming that the site you found it on would have had a diagram. But here you go:


Doesn't take a genius.
When the sun rays hits the panel perpendicular to it, it's effective area is its actual area.
But when it is at an angle, the effective area is reduced (the grey line in the diagram), based upon the sine of the angle.
This means it gets less power per unit area when it is not directly facing the sun.
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Re: The deception that the sun's rays are coming inclined
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2020, 01:14:04 AM »
It doesn't take a genius to draw that diagram or understand what it demonstrates.

I think it will take a genius though to explain to Wise:

1. How the world is round and rotating and that
2. The rotation causes the Sun to move across the sky and
3. That the intensity of radiation from the Sun varies according to how high the Sun is in the sky.

You can teach anyone anything who wants to know but can't teach anyone anything who doesn't want to know or refuses to accept on the grounds that it counters their beliefs.  Whatever those beliefs might be based on.  Which in Wises case I haven't got a clue.

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Re: The deception that the sun's rays are coming inclined
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2020, 01:34:51 AM »
Quote from: wise on July 06, 2020, 11:47:33 PM
Once again, a diagram that even little kids draw, but globalists can't. We call this event as despair.
You ignoring the diagram doesn't magically mean people can't draw it.

You don't even need a diagram to understand.
Have you ever noticed how when you look at something big and flat (like a solar panel) from side on, it is appears a lot thinner?
That means if you were throwing a bunch of energy at it, it would collect less.

But apparently it is still far too complex a topic for you to grasp.
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« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2020, 09:31:25 AM »
Solar panel is fixed to the roof (Earth).
Sun's apparent angle changes.
The power received depends on cosine of that angle.
As the Earth slowly turns the panel towards the Sun, the received power grows.
After the solar noon the Earth starts turning the panel away from the Sun and the received power drops.

Now tell us how can little kids know what is cosine? At what age ordinary kid learns it?

Additionally, at noon the sun rays travel through less air than at sunrise and sunset.
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Re: The deception that the sun's rays are coming inclined
« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2020, 01:05:51 PM »
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It will be seen that this is impossible in the globalist system where the distance of the sun is constant. But this graphic is compatible with the flat world model. Since the sun is distant in the morning and evening hours, the amount of energy is decreasing rapidly.

The point which Wise seems to conveniently brush over is that the variation in solar energy flux on a solar panel varies at different times of the day NOT because of the varying distance of the Sun but because of the varying angle of incident rays on the cells.  The Suns distance from Earth is the SAME at all times of the day.

I'm sure Wise has noticed himself that the apparent size of an object as the brain perceives it varies with the distance of that object. Since the Suns apparent disk size on the sky does not vary during the day, that is evidence in itself that the Suns distance does not vary at all during the day. I can vouch for that myself since I often image the Sun through telescopes at varying times of the day and the Sun never changes its natural size.

I'm not sure how you can explain that any clearer.  Or which part Wise doesn't get.  I think it is more a case of he flatly refuses to accept as true anything other than what he believes.
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« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2020, 01:16:18 PM »
Quote from: sokarul on July 06, 2020, 04:30:09 AM
Even little kids know the sun is less bright at sun rise and sunset. The angle of the sun matters.

Which would also be true for a sun that moves away from you
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Re: The deception that the sun's rays are coming inclined
« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2020, 01:25:22 PM »
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Quote from: sokarul on July 06, 2020, 04:30:09 AM
Even little kids know the sun is less bright at sun rise and sunset. The angle of the sun matters.

Which would also be true for a sun that moves away from you

It would also be true if the Sun had a brightness knob that aliens turned down every night too.

Doesn't make it true, or fit other observations.

Such as the sun would get smaller if it moved away so far away that it got dim.  It doesn't do that.
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« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2020, 01:30:31 PM »
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Quote from: Shifter on July 07, 2020, 01:16:18 PM
Quote from: sokarul on July 06, 2020, 04:30:09 AM
Even little kids know the sun is less bright at sun rise and sunset. The angle of the sun matters.

Which would also be true for a sun that moves away from you

It would also be true if the Sun had a brightness knob that aliens turned down every night too.

Doesn't make it true, or fit other observations.

Such as the sun would get smaller if it moved away so far away that it got dim.  It doesn't do that.


Artist impression of a Flat Earth sun moving away
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Re: The deception that the sun's rays are coming inclined
« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2020, 01:33:36 PM »
Nice photos... which proves what?

Those are not even both images of the Sun... here's the link to the website where the images came from.  The right side image is a simulation showing how big another star would look if we could observe it from an orbiting exoplanet which is approximately the same distance from it as the Earth is from the Sun. 

https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2019/06/19/2035724/two-most-earth-like-exoplanets-discovered-only-12-5-light-years-away
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« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2020, 01:34:51 PM »
Quote from: Shifter on July 07, 2020, 01:30:31 PM
Quote from: JJA on July 07, 2020, 01:25:22 PM
Quote from: Shifter on July 07, 2020, 01:16:18 PM
Quote from: sokarul on July 06, 2020, 04:30:09 AM
Even little kids know the sun is less bright at sun rise and sunset. The angle of the sun matters.

Which would also be true for a sun that moves away from you

It would also be true if the Sun had a brightness knob that aliens turned down every night too.

Doesn't make it true, or fit other observations.

Such as the sun would get smaller if it moved away so far away that it got dim.  It doesn't do that.

Really?


Are you resorting to flat out lying now?

That's really low. It's something I'd expect from others here. I thought you had a bit more honesty in you.
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Re: The deception that the sun's rays are coming inclined
« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2020, 01:40:43 PM »
Quote from: Shifter on July 07, 2020, 01:16:18 PM
Quote from: sokarul on July 06, 2020, 04:30:09 AM
Even little kids know the sun is less bright at sun rise and sunset. The angle of the sun matters.

Which would also be true for a sun that moves away from you
The problem is the sun doesn’t appear to get smaller.

Also as it’s been covered the angle of the rays matter when talking about solar panels.
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« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2020, 01:41:19 PM »
Quote from: JJA on July 07, 2020, 01:34:51 PM
Quote from: Shifter on July 07, 2020, 01:30:31 PM
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Quote from: Shifter on July 07, 2020, 01:16:18 PM
Quote from: sokarul on July 06, 2020, 04:30:09 AM
Even little kids know the sun is less bright at sun rise and sunset. The angle of the sun matters.

Which would also be true for a sun that moves away from you

It would also be true if the Sun had a brightness knob that aliens turned down every night too.

Doesn't make it true, or fit other observations.

Such as the sun would get smaller if it moved away so far away that it got dim.  It doesn't do that.

Really?


Are you resorting to flat out lying now?

That's really low. It's something I'd expect from others here. I thought you had a bit more honesty in you.

Wait up. So if NASA uses CGI and labels it 'artists impression' but pretends to base it on a real thing that's cool. But a Flat Earther doing the same it's 'OMG YOU'RE LYING' Hell, almost every image they send us about space are artist impressions or CGI composites with false colours

It is glaringly obvious the above is an artist impression / CGI of star. But heaven forbid a Flat Earther uses it.  :o

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Re: The deception that the sun's rays are coming inclined
« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2020, 01:42:09 PM »
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The problem is the sun doesn’t appear to get smaller.

Correct... it is obvious that many flat Earthers don't spend much time observing or imaging the Sun through telescopes.  Otherwise they would know the size of the Suns disk on the sky does not vary.

I guess they prefer to base what they think is true on their beliefs rather than real observations.
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« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2020, 01:44:07 PM »
Quote from: Solarwind on July 07, 2020, 01:42:09 PM
Correct... it is obvious that many flat Earthers don't spend much time observing or imaging the Sun through telescopes.  Otherwise they would know the size of the Suns disk on the sky does not vary.

Or maybe they dont want to go blind?

Please dont look at the sun through a telescope people. The moon is bad enough. Just dont do it
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Re: The deception that the sun's rays are coming inclined
« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2020, 01:44:19 PM »
Quote from: Shifter on July 07, 2020, 01:41:19 PM
Quote from: JJA on July 07, 2020, 01:34:51 PM
Quote from: Shifter on July 07, 2020, 01:30:31 PM
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Quote from: Shifter on July 07, 2020, 01:16:18 PM
Quote from: sokarul on July 06, 2020, 04:30:09 AM
Even little kids know the sun is less bright at sun rise and sunset. The angle of the sun matters.

Which would also be true for a sun that moves away from you

It would also be true if the Sun had a brightness knob that aliens turned down every night too.

Doesn't make it true, or fit other observations.

Such as the sun would get smaller if it moved away so far away that it got dim.  It doesn't do that.

Really?


Are you resorting to flat out lying now?

That's really low. It's something I'd expect from others here. I thought you had a bit more honesty in you.

Wait up. So if NASA uses CGI and labels it 'artists impression' but pretends to base it on a real thing that's cool. But a Flat Earther doing the same it's 'OMG YOU'RE LYING' Hell, almost every image they send us about space are artist impressions or CGI composites with false colours

It is glaringly obvious the above is an artist impression / CGI of star. But heaven forbid a Flat Earther uses it.  :o

If NASA issues a press release with an artists conception, they label it as such.  If they show infrared pictures they state what they are and the wavelengths they were captured in.

You did not.  You just posted a picture as if it was showing the sun shrinking as it raced into the distance like you suggested.

That's lying. That's the difference.
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« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2020, 01:45:43 PM »
Quote from: JJA on July 07, 2020, 01:44:19 PM
If NASA issues a press release with an artists conception, they label it as such.  If they show infrared pictures they state what they are and the wavelengths they were captured in.

You did not.  You just posted a picture as if it was showing the sun shrinking as it raced into the distance like you suggested.

That's lying. That's the difference.

Ok, settle, pettle. I'll amend the post to state it is an artist impression. mmmkay?
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« Reply #28 on: July 07, 2020, 01:46:14 PM »
Quote from: Shifter on July 07, 2020, 01:44:07 PM
Quote from: Solarwind on July 07, 2020, 01:42:09 PM
Correct... it is obvious that many flat Earthers don't spend much time observing or imaging the Sun through telescopes.  Otherwise they would know the size of the Suns disk on the sky does not vary.

Or maybe they dont want to go blind?

Please dont look at the sun through a telescope people. The moon is bad enough. Just dont do it

I look at the Sun through telescopes, very carefully and with special filters made specifically for doing so and protection and will agree 100% with Shifter.

DON'T DO IT.

I have taken hundreds of pictures of the Sun and it's always the same size too.  :P

The moon is harmless to look at.  ::)
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« Reply #29 on: July 07, 2020, 01:48:26 PM »
I agree with JJA.  Shifter simply posts two photos of what appears to be two sunsets or two sunrises and then adds the comment 'Really??' in response to us saying the Sun does not vary in size.

So I can only interpret that as Shifter hoping that we would think those were both images of the Sun taken with the Sun at the same altitude.  Nice try!
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