NASA EPIC LIES

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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #210 on: June 06, 2020, 03:47:54 AM »
What's your beef with someone requesting a photo from around 1986? He's not the same person as the astronaut. The idea is ludicrous to him. He's aware of the conspiracy. He already knows the image will be compared against Michael Smith astronaut images, and used positively to ultimately dispel a rumor. Big deal, so, what?

No, this is a terrible and horrible idea and you shouldn't encourage him.

I would NOT be happy or feel very safe is some random conspiracy nutjob started demanding my childhood photos to prove I wasn't actually a dead astronaut and that NASA didn't fake my death.  I mean, at that point I might very well report that email. Especially if I did some digging and found all the messages about how NASA employees actually murder Flat Earth believers.

You should not encourage online harassment of people.

Especially because you KNOW that even if this guy sends a photo, click will just dismiss it and call the guy a liar.  Tell me I'm wrong.

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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #211 on: June 06, 2020, 04:07:28 AM »
I will have any readers know that I have nothing to do with the e-mail that was send to mr Smith. This has all gone out of hand.

You do realize that if Mr Smith calls the FBI on cikljamas that this could have consequences for us as well? I don't want nothing to do with that. I'm not replying in this topic anymore.

Well, Edgar Mitchel's son asked his father if he wants him to call CIA to wax them (Bart Sibrel and his TV crew) :



ACCOMPANYING VIDEO :

This is how we know for sure that they haven't been on the moon.

Now, you can call me Bart :) Although, to be honest, i still believe that if prof. Smith isn't astronaut Smith, sooner or later he will use this opportunity to prove it, and put this whole thing behind him (at rest)...

Good morning Europe, Good evening Australia, hello America...First thing i checked this morning is if i can breathe, i can, so it seems i am not in America, then i checked my email inbox, and i noticed something unusual : the name of a message was READ, LISTEN, LEARN...In the first moment i was sure that this is a message from prof. M. Smith, but when i opened it i was left disappointed.  :

We concluded the introduction to last week's newsletter by saying "Eventually, there will be better days. But right now, it's okay to be sad." We were referring to the cancellation of the 2020 Boston Marathon and Brown University's decision to cut its men's track & field and cross country teams. Little did we know what the next seven days would have in store.

It has been a trying, emotional week in the United States of America. Spurred by the death of George Floyd at the hands of a Minneapolis police officer, centuries of racial tension bubbled over into protests and rioting across the country. Black Americans and their allies are speaking out, pushing for change, sharing their experience, and trying to educate us all -- and track & field athletes are no exception.


So far no reply from prof. Smith.

Stash, have you considered such possibility : In case prof. Smith decided to show off his attractive young face when he looked like he walked off the cover of GQ, what would i (in all possibility) do if i were "honest" and "sincere" person as you, let alone as rvlr? Since prof. Smith's hypothetical honest reply wouldn't be in favor of my initial claims regarding the basic premises which constitute Challenger hoax theory, i could easily pretend (endlessly) that i still haven't received his message in which he attached his photos from his younger days. Couldn't i? Well, i embedded controlled mechanism in that message (polite request) which i sent to prof. Smith, you remember? What am i talking about, you might ask? I am talking about the link to this very page, so that he can see the whole context, and so that he can even be able to check out if there is any chance of dishonest manipulation with his photos. So, what you interpreted as weird is actually insurance (for him and for you "honest" and "sincere" guys) that in case he decided to send me his photos i couldn't afford to myself such comfortableness and/or carelessness to even take into consideration such (hypothetical) dishonest behaviour (as real possibility) : to deny the fact that he sent me his photos. If that isn't fair, then what is?

Now, to recap :

IS CHALLENGER CREW STILL ALIVE :


Rabinoz is going to like and even admire this one :

The quote is from a letter written by Galileo to Francesco Rinuccini, 29
March 1641. It is from a reliable source; i.e., Stillman Drake, Galileo At
Work: His Scientific Biography, (Chicago, London, The University of
Chicago Press, 1978), p. 417. Here it is:

“The falsity of the Copernican system should not in any way be
called into question, above all, not by Catholics, since we have
the unshakeable authority of the  Sacred Scripture, interpreted
by the most erudite theologians, whose consensus gives us
certainty regarding the stability of the Earth, situated in the
center, and the motion of the sun around the Earth. The
conjectures employed by Copernicus and his followers in
maintaining the contrary thesis are all sufficiently rebutted by
that most solid argument deriving from the omnipotence of
God. He is able to bring about in different ways, indeed, in an
infinite number of ways, things that, according to our opinion
and observation, appear to happen in one particular way. We
should not seek to shorten the hand of God and boldly insist on
something beyond the limits of our competence ....”
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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #212 on: June 06, 2020, 04:12:14 AM »
Now, to recap :

IS CHALLENGER CREW STILL ALIVE :

Quit dragging good peoples names through the mud and harassing people!

Not until you PROVE that om is who he says he is.  How can you refute my clear doppelganger evidence?  You can't.




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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #213 on: June 06, 2020, 04:28:04 AM »
Rabinoz is going to like and even admire this one :
Why would that affect anything?

Quote from: cikljamas
The quote is from a letter written by Galileo to Francesco Rinuccini, 29
March 1641. It is from a reliable source; i.e., Stillman Drake, Galileo At
Work: His Scientific Biography, (Chicago, London, The University of
Chicago Press, 1978), p. 417. Here it is:

“The falsity of the Copernican system should not in any way be called into question, above all, not by Catholics, since we have
the unshakeable authority of the  Sacred Scripture, interpreted by the most erudite theologians, whose consensus gives us
certainty regarding the stability of the Earth, situated in the center, and the motion of the sun around the Earth. The
conjectures employed by Copernicus and his followers in maintaining the contrary thesis are all sufficiently rebutted by
that most solid argument deriving from the omnipotence of God. He is able to bring about in different ways, indeed, in an
infinite number of ways, things that, according to our opinion and observation, appear to happen in one particular way. We
should not seek to shorten the hand of God and boldly insist on something beyond the limits of our competence ....”

The current Heliocentric Solar System is not based on the work of Copernicus, Galileo or any one person.

I guess you haven't read this yet?
A Geocentric Universe rotating about a stationary Earth is completely contrary to all the relevant laws of physics.

You are full of shit, and now i am going to prove it, for an uptheenth time :
If you expect a rational debate after that, forget it!
All your post proves your inability to understand the real meaning behind what you quote.

You might (not) like to read:
        Geocentrism Debunked: Some Background on the New Geocentrists
        Geocentrism Debunked: Geocentrism as Bad Theology
        Geocentrism Debunked: Geocentrism and Science
        Geocentrism Debunked: Galileo and the Church
        Geocentrism Debunked: Geocentrism and Stellar Aberration: Illuminating the Earth’s Motion
        Geocentrism Debunked: Robert Sungenis: Incompetent in Physics
        Geocentrism Debunked: As the Universe Turns

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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #214 on: June 06, 2020, 04:48:14 AM »
Stash, have you considered such possibility : In case prof. Smith decided to show off his attractive young face when he looked like he walked off the cover of GQ, what would i (in all possibility) do if i were "honest" and "sincere" person as you, let alone as rvlr? Since prof. Smith's hypothetical honest reply wouldn't be in favor of my initial claims regarding the basic premises which constitute Challenger hoax theory, i could easily pretend (endlessly) that i still haven't received his message in which he attached his photos from his younger days. Couldn't i? Well, i embedded controlled mechanism in that message (polite request) which i sent to prof. Smith, you remember? What am i talking about, you might ask? I am talking about the link to this very page, so that he can see the whole context, and so that he can even be able to check out if there is any chance of dishonest manipulation with his photos. So, what you interpreted as weird is actually insurance (for him and for you "honest" and "sincere" guys) that in case he decided to send me his photos i couldn't afford to myself such comfortableness and/or carelessness to even take into consideration such (hypothetical) dishonest behaviour (as real possibility) : to deny the fact that he sent me his photos. If that isn't fair, then what is?
Why do you think he owes you anything? Especially if he ventures here and sees the shit you spew?

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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #215 on: June 06, 2020, 04:48:57 AM »
I guess you haven't read this yet?

I guess you haven't read this yet : https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=86036.msg2256632#msg2256632
Or you just pretend that you didn't or that you don't understand english, or that you don't understand meaning of the words, or that you don't know how to think, or that you don't know how to put things into right perspective, etc...???

There is more to it :

In 1892 Hendrik Lorentz wrote to Lord Rayleigh and expressed his consternation at the results of the Michelson-Morley experiment:

“I have read this note with much interest, and I gather from it that you agree completely as to the position of the case. Fresnel’s hypothesis, taken conjointly with his coefficient 1 – 1/n^2, would serve admirably to account for all the observed phenomena, were it not for the interferential experiment of Mr. Michelson which has, as you know, been repeated after I published some remarks on its original form and which seems decidedly to contradict Fresnel’s view. I am totally at a loss how to solve the contradiction and yet I believe that if F’s [Fresnel’s] wave theory is abandoned we should have no adequate aberration theory at all for the conditions imposed by Mr. Stokes on the movement of the ether being irreconcilable to each other. Can there be some point in the theory of Mr. Michelson’s experiment which has as yet been overseen? In the meantime I have endeavored to apply the electromagnetic theory to a body which moves through the ether without dragging this medium along with it….H. A. Lorentz.

We see what is at stake. As Einstein himself would recognize, the Michelson-Morley experiment is not only showing that there is no movement of the Earth against ether, it is denying to the heliocentrists the only explanation available (Fresnel’s wave theory) to deal with the results of Airy’s failure. If they cannot use Fresnel to answer Airy and the other aberration experiments, then they would have to resign themselves to admitting that the Earth is motionless in space.A solution had to be found.

Clark explains what it was:

The only other explanation must surely lie in some perverse feature of the physical world which scientists had not yet suspected, and during the next few years this was sought by three men in particular George Fitzgerald... Hendrik Lorentz ...and Henri Poincare. The Fitzgerald explanation came first. To many it must have seemed that he had strained at a gnat and swallowed an elephant. For while Fitzgerald was unwilling to believe that the velocity of light could remain unaffected by the velocity of its source, he suggested instead that all moving objects were shortened along the axis of their movement. A foot rule moving end forwards would be slightly shorter than a stationary foot rule, and the faster it moved the shorter it would be.

A November 10, 1894 letter from Lorentz to Fitzgerald shows that the Michelson-Morley experiment was driving them to these positions:

“My dear Sir, In his Aberration problems Prof. Oliver Lodge mentions a hypothesis which you have imagined in order to account for the negative results of Mr. Michelson’s experiment. Two years ago I arrived at the same view as you may see from the number of the Proceedings of the Dutch Academy of Sciences which I have the honour to send you at the same time with this letter. A memoir in which I consider the whole subject of Aberration in connexion with the electromagnetic theory of light being now in course of publication – it will in fact appear in a week – you would oblige me very much by telling me, if your hypothesis has already been published. I have been unable to find it and yet I should wish to refer to it. Most respectfully yours, H. A. Lorentz.”

“Imagination,” indeed. Fitzgerald revealed this imaginative “hypothesis” to Oliver Lodge in early 1892 on a visit to Liverpool. He told him the following: 

Well, the only way out of it that I can see is that the equality of paths must be inaccurate; the block of stone must be distorted, put out of shape by its motion…the stone would have to shorten in the direction of motion and swell out in the other two directions.

On May 27, 1892, Lodge made it known to the public that “Professor Fitzgerald has suggested a way out of the difficulty by supposing the size of bodies to be a function of their velocity through the ether.”

Lodge proceeded to give an example of Fitzgerald’s hypothesis. According to Lodge, a length of 8,000 miles (approximately the diameter of the Earth), would have to be shortened only 3 inches in order to account for the null result of the Michelson-Morley experiment.

Other attempts to explain Airy’s failure use the Fitzgerald contraction hypothesis, that is, the telescope shrank in the direction it was moving, or that the telescope expanded in the direction perpendicular to its movement. It may be no coincidence that the Fitzgerald contraction predicts the same result for Airy’s experiment as the Fresnel drag. Thus, as Bouw notes: “Physically speaking, it they are real, both effects must be contributing so that in actuality we must either conclude that Fresnel drag and the Fitzgerald contraction are one and the same thing or else that one effect or the other, but not both, is in operation..."

Take your pick!

If you pick Fitzerald contraction Airy's failure applies.
If you pick Fresnel drag MMX ("null result") applies.

ON TOP OF THAT :

Neither Fitzerald contraction nor Fresnel drag can be taken into account as an explanation for the results of Hoek's experiment!
How about that?
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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #216 on: June 06, 2020, 05:02:24 AM »
I will have any readers know that I have nothing to do with the e-mail that was send to mr Smith. This has all gone out of hand.

You do realize that if Mr Smith calls the FBI on cikljamas that this could have consequences for us as well? I don't want nothing to do with that. I'm not replying in this topic anymore.

Well, Edgar Mitchel's son asked his father if he wants him to call CIA to wax them (Bart Sibrel and his TV crew) :



An obvious joke playing on the paranoia of Sibrel.

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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #217 on: June 06, 2020, 05:49:13 AM »
I guess you haven't read this yet?

I guess you haven't read this yet : https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=86036.msg2256632#msg2256632
I read:
My point is that this fateful step was, in the final count, authorized by nothing more substantial than the failure of the Michelson-Morley experiment to detect the postulated - but never yet observed! - "orbital" velocity of the Earth.
I repeat: Einstein's so-called SRT was NOT based on the MMX but on "reconciling James Clerk Maxwell's work on EM theory with Galilean Relativity hence Einstein's title for that groundbreaking paper".

The MMX was regarded as groundbreaking because the Earth's rotation and orbiting the Sun was regarded as proven by voluminous evidence from the time of Copernicus to that time - so get used to it!

Stellar Aberration, first identified by Bradley, verified that it was the Earth orbiting the Sun and not the totally impossible situation of the whole Universe rotating about a stationary Earth.
And when Bessel and then others observed staller parallax the case was regarded as proven beyond reasonable doubt.

A Geocentric Universe rotating about a stationary Earth is completely contrary to all the relevant laws of physics.

You are full of shit, and now i am going to prove it, for an uptheenth time :
And replied to it:
My point is that this fateful step was, in the final count, authorized by nothing more substantial than the failure of the Michelson-Morley experiment to detect the postulated - but never yet observed! - "orbital" velocity of the Earth.
I repeat: Einstein's so-called SRT was NOT based on the MMX but on "reconciling James Clerk Maxwell's work on EM theory with Galilean Relativity hence Einstein's title for that groundbreaking paper".

The MMX was regarded as groundbreaking because the Earth's rotation and orbiting the Sun was regarded as proven by voluminous evidence from the time of Copernicus to that time - so get used to it!

Stellar Aberration, first identified by Bradley, verified that it was the Earth orbiting the Sun and not the totally impossible situation of the whole Universe rotating about a stationary Earth.
And when Bessel and then others observed staller parallax the case was regarded as proven beyond reasonable doubt.

A Geocentric Universe rotating about a stationary Earth is completely contrary to all the relevant laws of physics.

You are full of shit, and now i am going to prove it, for an uptheenth time :
If you expect a rational debate after that, forget it!
All your post proves your inability to understand the real meaning behind what you quote.

You might (not) like to read:

        Geocentrism Debunked: Some Background on the New Geocentrists
        Geocentrism Debunked: Geocentrism as Bad Theology
        Geocentrism Debunked: Geocentrism and Science
        Geocentrism Debunked: Galileo and the Church
        Geocentrism Debunked: Geocentrism and Stellar Aberration: Illuminating the Earth’s Motion
        Geocentrism Debunked: Robert Sungenis: Incompetent in Physics
        Geocentrism Debunked: As the Universe Turns
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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #218 on: June 06, 2020, 05:51:05 AM »
According to her bio she moved to live with her husband while he was studying law. Not much of a stretch that she would go into law afterwards if NASA wanted her to move and change careers. In the 80's they didn't have the internet like we do now and may not have forseen that this was not good enough.

Again, listing what the older Resnik claimed to do in the 80's is hardly good enough. You are claiming that she didn't write that she was a dead astronaut and listed some things about what she was doing so therefore she isn't her.

And again, ignoring the phenomenal coincidences of a doppelganger with the same facial tick and super rare name.

There was a man where I worked that looked like one of my great uncles, right down to his gate as he walked. Thing is my great uncle died twenty years before. Another man in our section was the spitting image of my cousin. So much so that we went into great detail of our respective family trees. No relation we could find. I walked into the nursing home where my dad was being cared for, in a surprise visit. He was in Idaho and I in Indiana. This was my first time there. The nurse looked up from the desk, cocked her head, and said, "You're Leo's son. You look so much like him." She wasn't asking, she was making a statement of fact based on what she saw. Everyone I know has similar
 stories

Yeah, and how likely is it that your rare doppleganger would also share a name so rare that you are the only other person (or one of the very few) people in the US with that name? And a similar facial tic on their lip? Not too likely.

Rare? I gave two examples in one work setting. I did forget to include the fact this workplace is more than 1700 miles from where the two relatives live(d).

BTW, why fake their deaths? Why destroy a muity billion-dollar spacecraft in the first place?
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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #219 on: June 06, 2020, 10:05:03 AM »
I will have any readers know that I have nothing to do with the e-mail that was send to mr Smith. This has all gone out of hand.

You do realize that if Mr Smith calls the FBI on cikljamas that this could have consequences for us as well? I don't want nothing to do with that. I'm not replying in this topic anymore.

Well, Edgar Mitchel's son asked his father if he wants him to call CIA to wax them (Bart Sibrel and his TV crew) :



An obvious joke playing on the paranoia of Sibrel.

Really? Joke, my ass...Mitchel's son asked his dady whether he wants him to call CIA (to have them waxed), after Sibrel and his TV crew already left Mitchel's house, and the conversation between Mitchel and his son was recorded due to Sibrel's ommision to pick up one of their mics...Not only that, while standing on the porch of his house Mitchel threatened Sibrel with a loaded shotgun...Then Sibrel replied something like this : "that's fine with us, if you want to shoot us, go ahead, do it, it will be a good shot for our documentary..." Mitchel (as well as Buzz) promised to Sibrel that he was going to sue him if he went public with the recorded material. Sibrel was delighted by Mitchel's (and Buzz') promise, however, neither Mitchel nor Buzz ever put their promises into practice...Go figure why...I can only imagine how would Stash and rvlr categorize that kind of "crime" if i did what Sibrel have done, coming into Mitchel's house (under the false pretenses) and then openly accusing Mitchel, in front of his son for  deliberate participation in an orchestrated (by NASA and co.) satanic lie of gigantic proportions??? Having in mind how Stash and rvlr yelled at me, while calling me names for simply addressing absolutely polite request via email to prof. Smith, it is perfectly reasonable to assume that if i were to commit hypothetical "crime" in Sibrel's brazen way, Stash and rvlr wouldn't hesitate to categorize it as a felony which deserves nothing less than a capital punishment. After all, haven't you noticed how Sibrel walks very fast towards his car, while leaving Mitchel's house? Yes, there was a very good reason for being in hurry, since being in Sibrel's shoes in that particular situation, was anything but a joke.

EDIT :

The Hebrew term "Abaddon" (Hebrew: אֲבַדּוֹן‎ Avaddon, meaning "doom"), and its Greek equivalent "Apollyon" (Greek: Ἀπολλύων, Apollýōn) appear in the Bible as both a place of destruction and an angel of the abyss. In the Hebrew Bible, abaddon is used with reference to a bottomless pit, often appearing alongside the place שְׁאוֹל (Sheol), meaning the realm of the dead.

In the New Testament Book of Revelation, an angel called Abaddon is described as the king of an army of locusts; his name is first transcribed in Greek (Revelation 9:11—"whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon," a name that means "destruction") as Ἀβαδδών, and then translated ("which in Greek means the Destroyer", Ἀπολλύων, Apollyon). The Latin Vulgate and the Douay Rheims Bible have additional notes (not present in the Greek text), "in Latin Exterminans", exterminans being the Latin word for "destroyer".







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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #220 on: June 06, 2020, 10:10:14 AM »
I will have any readers know that I have nothing to do with the e-mail that was send to mr Smith. This has all gone out of hand.

You do realize that if Mr Smith calls the FBI on cikljamas that this could have consequences for us as well? I don't want nothing to do with that. I'm not replying in this topic anymore.

Well, Edgar Mitchel's son asked his father if he wants him to call CIA to wax them (Bart Sibrel and his TV crew) :



An obvious joke playing on the paranoia of Sibrel.

Really? Joke, my ass...Mitchel's son asked his dady whether he wants him to call CIA (to have them waxed), after Sibrel and his TV crew already left Mitchel's house, and the conversation between Mitchel and his son was recorded due to Sibrel's ommision to pick up one of their mics...
Still a joke. Playing on Sibrel's paranoia. They likely knew that Sibrel could still hear or was done with him still there and Sibrel just lied (he's done that often). That you think it was serious in any way makes it even more funny.


Not only that, while standing on the porch of his house Mitchel threatened Sibrel with a loaded shotgun...Then Sibrel replied something like this : "that's fine with us, if you want to shoot us, go ahead, do it, it will be a good shot for our documentary..."
So Sibrel, a known and convicted stalker, was tresspassing. And?

Mitchel (as well as Buzz) promised to Sibrel that he was going to sue him if he went public with the recorded material. Sibrel was delighted by Mitchel's (and Buzz') promise, however, neither Mitchel nor Buzz never put their promises into practice...Go figure why...I can only imagine how would Stash and rvlr categorize that kind of "crime" if i did what Sibrel have done, coming into Mitchel's house (under the false pretenses) and then openly accusing Mitchel, in front of his son for  deliberate participation in an orchestrated (by NASA and co.) satanic lie of gigantic proportions??? Having in mind how Stash and rvlr yelled at me, and calling me names for addressing absolutely polite request via email to prof. Smith, it is perfectly reasonable to assume that if i were to commit hypothetical "crime" in Sibrel's brazen way, Stash and rvlr wouldn't hesitate to categorize it as a felony which deserves nothing less than a capital punishment. After all, haven't you noticed how Sibrel walks very fast towards his car, while leaving Mitchel's house? Yes, there was a very good reason for being in hurry, since being in Sibrel's shoes in that particular situation, was anything but a joke.
Sibrel is an actor, a convicted stalker, and an all around jerk. That is all he has proven. That you take ANYTHING he says seriously makes it a joke on you as well.

And your email is anything but polite. Most reasonable people would find it threatening. That you can't see that is your problem.
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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #221 on: June 06, 2020, 10:45:17 AM »


What in all of Gods creation does this garbage have to do with NASA and their EPIC LIES?

Are you just pulling random stuff off the internet now and posting it?

I don't even.

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Re: cikljamas's EPIC LIES
« Reply #222 on: June 06, 2020, 03:44:50 PM »
I will have any readers know that I have nothing to do with the e-mail that was send to mr Smith. This has all gone out of hand.

You do realize that if Mr Smith calls the FBI on cikljamas that this could have consequences for us as well? I don't want nothing to do with that. I'm not replying in this topic anymore.

Well, Edgar Mitchel's son asked his father if he wants him to call CIA to wax them (Bart Sibrel and his TV crew) :

https://i.postimg.cc/cJwBY2Ss/EDGAR-MITCHEL-SON.png

An obvious joke playing on the paranoia of Sibrel.

Really? Joke, my ass...Mitchel's son asked his dady whether he wants him to call CIA (to have them waxed), after Sibrel and his TV crew already left Mitchel's house, and the conversation between Mitchel and his son was recorded due to Sibrel's ommision to pick up one of their mics...Not only that, while standing on the porch of his house Mitchel threatened Sibrel with a loaded shotgun...Then Sibrel replied something like this : "that's fine with us, if you want to shoot us, go ahead, do it, it will be a good shot for our documentary..." Mitchel (as well as Buzz) promised to Sibrel that he was going to sue him if he went public with the recorded material. Sibrel was delighted by Mitchel's (and Buzz') promise, however, neither Mitchel nor Buzz ever put their promises into practice...Go figure why...I can only imagine how would Stash and rvlr categorize that kind of "crime" if i did what Sibrel have done, coming into Mitchel's house (under the false pretenses) and then openly accusing Mitchel, in front of his son for  deliberate participation in an orchestrated (by NASA and co.) satanic lie of gigantic proportions??? Having in mind how Stash and rvlr yelled at me, while calling me names for simply addressing absolutely polite request via email to prof. Smith, it is perfectly reasonable to assume that if i were to commit hypothetical "crime" in Sibrel's brazen way, Stash and rvlr wouldn't hesitate to categorize it as a felony which deserves nothing less than a capital punishment. After all, haven't you noticed how Sibrel walks very fast towards his car, while leaving Mitchel's house? Yes, there was a very good reason for being in hurry, since being in Sibrel's shoes in that particular situation, was anything but a joke.

EDIT :
The Hebrew term "Abaddon" (Hebrew: אֲבַדּוֹן‎ Avaddon, meaning "doom"), and its Greek equivalent "Apollyon" (Greek: Ἀπολλύων, Apollýōn) appear in the Bible as both a place of destruction and an angel of the abyss. In the Hebrew Bible, abaddon is used with reference to a bottomless pit, often appearing alongside the place שְׁאוֹל (Sheol), meaning the realm of the dead.

In the New Testament Book of Revelation, an angel called Abaddon is described as the king of an army of locusts; his name is first transcribed in Greek (Revelation 9:11—"whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon," a name that means "destruction") as Ἀβαδδών, and then translated ("which in Greek means the Destroyer", Ἀπολλύων, Apollyon). The Latin Vulgate and the Douay Rheims Bible have additional notes (not present in the Greek text), "in Latin Exterminans", exterminans being the Latin word for "destroyer".

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The efforts to go to and lies you tell to prop up your failed and ridiculous Geocentric Universe are amazing!
A Geocentric Universe rotating about a stationary Earth is completely contrary to all the relevant laws of physics.
You are full of shit, and now i am going to prove it, for an uptheenth time :
If you expect a rational debate after that, forget it!
All your post proves your inability to understand the real meaning behind what you quote.

You might (not) like to read:
        Geocentrism Debunked: Some Background on the New Geocentrists
        Geocentrism Debunked: Geocentrism as Bad Theology
        Geocentrism Debunked: Geocentrism and Science
        Geocentrism Debunked: Galileo and the Church
        Geocentrism Debunked: Geocentrism and Stellar Aberration: Illuminating the Earth’s Motion
        Geocentrism Debunked: Robert Sungenis: Incompetent in Physics
        Geocentrism Debunked: As the Universe Turns

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Stash

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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #223 on: June 06, 2020, 06:15:28 PM »
Stash, have you considered such possibility : In case prof. Smith decided to show off his attractive young face when he looked like he walked off the cover of GQ, what would i (in all possibility) do if i were "honest" and "sincere" person as you, let alone as rvlr? Since prof. Smith's hypothetical honest reply wouldn't be in favor of my initial claims regarding the basic premises which constitute Challenger hoax theory, i could easily pretend (endlessly) that i still haven't received his message in which he attached his photos from his younger days. Couldn't i? Well, i embedded controlled mechanism in that message (polite request) which i sent to prof. Smith, you remember? What am i talking about, you might ask? I am talking about the link to this very page, so that he can see the whole context, and so that he can even be able to check out if there is any chance of dishonest manipulation with his photos. So, what you interpreted as weird is actually insurance (for him and for you "honest" and "sincere" guys) that in case he decided to send me his photos i couldn't afford to myself such comfortableness and/or carelessness to even take into consideration such (hypothetical) dishonest behaviour (as real possibility) : to deny the fact that he sent me his photos. If that isn't fair, then what is?

You just proved my point with this gem:



"...and so that he can even be able to check out if there is any chance of dishonest manipulation with his photos."

You realize that that is not Apollo in the image? It's the statue on top of the Natural History Museum and the Museum of Fine Arts in Vienna.
"The roof is crowned with a 65 m dome bearing a huge bronze statue of the Greek sun god Helios, a symbol of the life-giving element without which nature would not exist."
https://www.nhm-wien.ac.at/en/press_/about_the_museum/architecture


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Helios,_Main_figure_(Johannes_Benk)_at_the_Naturhistorisches_Museum,_Wien-9958.jpg

Can you really be trusted not to manipulate images, trusted period, when you post whatever meme speaks to you even if it's a complete fabrication?

You've been doing nothing more here than perpetuating lies.



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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #224 on: June 06, 2020, 09:20:29 PM »
Look, cikljamas is exploring conspiracy theories. It's his interest and hobby. But, most notably, he's stated he's seeking the truth, and from what I've seen, I believe him.

This website is founded on the greatest conspiracy theory going, so he's come to the right place!

Stash, I disagree that sending one email request to a guy on a work email,  constitutes harassment by any definition you can find. He was polite and honest, and I will be surprised if professor Smith doesn't at least respond to him. 

I see this as a wonderful opportunity to employ critical thinking to dissolve a little conspiracy theory. When finished, if cikljamas is still truth seeking regarding other bigger conspiracy theories, I'll happily assist in his search for the truth. 

Because he has manners.
For the overall shape of Earth to be flat, requires billions of people and billions of pieces of information about Earth to be wrong. Do the maths.

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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #225 on: June 07, 2020, 04:42:59 AM »
Look, cikljamas is exploring conspiracy theories. It's his interest and hobby. But, most notably, he's stated he's seeking the truth, and from what I've seen, I believe him.

This website is founded on the greatest conspiracy theory going, so he's come to the right place!

Stash, I disagree that sending one email request to a guy on a work email,  constitutes harassment by any definition you can find. He was polite and honest, and I will be surprised if professor Smith doesn't at least respond to him. 

I see this as a wonderful opportunity to employ critical thinking to dissolve a little conspiracy theory. When finished, if cikljamas is still truth seeking regarding other bigger conspiracy theories, I'll happily assist in his search for the truth. 

Because he has manners.

Harassing some guy on the internet who has been listed on some crazy conspiracy meme spread around is not what you do if you have manners.

I disagree with you heavily here, it is harassing, you think cikljamas is the only one to bother this guy?

Also, once again I point out that cikljamas has denied and refused to accept every piece of evidence presented to him on this subject. There is an entire page on Snopes devoted to this, plus all our arguments here, and he still believes a meme. What good is a childhood picture going to be? I can tell you his response right now if he got a childhood picture back, "Well his handlers at NASA just fabricated that!"

This whole conspiracy is a disgusting lie that's insulting to the people and families involved. Don't encourage spread it it or harassing of people. It makes you look bad.

We know the truth.  People died.  It was tragic.  Cikljamas isn't seeking the truth here, just spreading lies.

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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #226 on: June 07, 2020, 04:50:02 AM »
Agreed. How anyone can think otherwise baffles me.

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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #227 on: June 07, 2020, 06:35:01 AM »
Look, cikljamas is exploring conspiracy theories. It's his interest and hobby. But, most notably, he's stated he's seeking the truth, and from what I've seen, I believe him.

This website is founded on the greatest conspiracy theory going, so he's come to the right place!

Stash, I disagree that sending one email request to a guy on a work email,  constitutes harassment by any definition you can find. He was polite and honest, and I will be surprised if professor Smith doesn't at least respond to him. 

I see this as a wonderful opportunity to employ critical thinking to dissolve a little conspiracy theory. When finished, if cikljamas is still truth seeking regarding other bigger conspiracy theories, I'll happily assist in his search for the truth. 

Because he has manners.

Harassing some guy on the internet who has been listed on some crazy conspiracy meme spread around is not what you do if you have manners.

I disagree with you heavily here, it is harassing, you think cikljamas is the only one to bother this guy?

Also, once again I point out that cikljamas has denied and refused to accept every piece of evidence presented to him on this subject. There is an entire page on Snopes devoted to this, plus all our arguments here, and he still believes a meme. What good is a childhood picture going to be? I can tell you his response right now if he got a childhood picture back, "Well his handlers at NASA just fabricated that!"

What you are saying doesn't add up, at all, just as well as anything else you spout out through your psychotic, lying mouth. Why would i discard prof. Smith's picture (taken in 80') as a fabrication made "by his handlers at NASA," since i didn't discard prof. Resnik's picture (taken in 80') as a fabrication handled "by her handlers at NASA?" Did i?

@ Rabinoz, READ AND LEARN :

 But as we have seen earlier, Fresnel’s theory is discounted by Airy’s“failure,” which leaves only Fitzgerald’s theory. But as Clark shows, initially it was not well received:

For some years this explanation appeared to be little more than a plausible trick. ‘I have been rather laughed at for my view over here,’ Fitzgerald wrote to Lorentz from Dublin in 1894. - Einstein: The Life and Times, p. 111.

 But when Fitzgerald learned of Lorentz’s support for the hypothesis, he suddenly changed his tune and wrote these words:

My dear Sir, I have been preaching and lecturing on the doctrine that Michelson’s experiment proves, and is one of the only ways of proving,that the length of a body depends on how it is moving through the ether…Now that I hear you as an advocate and authority I shall beg into jeer at others for holding any other view. - Holton,Thematic Origins, p. 331 ..... WOULDN'T IT BE HILARIOUS IF IT WEREN'T SO PATHETIC???...Jesus also told them a parable: “Can a blind man lead a blind man? Will they not both fall into a pit? Luke 6:39

Obviously, Fitzgerald was “laughed at” because his solution seemed all too convenient. As physicist Dennis Sciama notes about similar acts of desperation in science:

No one would take this theory seriously, of course. One reason for this,no doubt, would be the obviously ad hoc and, indeed, ludicrous appearance of the theory. But the fundamental reason for objecting to the theory is that the demons cannot be observed except through the very phenomenon they were invented to explain. The introduction of the demon thus adds nothing to what we know already. - Dennis Sciama, The Unity of the Universe, 1961, p. 103

Although Fitzgerald was “laughed at” for proposing his contraction theory,he probably would have been scorned or put in a straight jacket if he had proposed that the Earth was standing still in space. By now, Copernicanism was so much a part of the fabric of life that any ad hoc explanation of the Michelson-Morley experiment would probably have been accepted if people knew the alternative was believing in a motionless Earth. But the alternative was never told to them, for Fitzgerald, et al ., did not want the common man even thinking about that possibility. In fact, once he received Lorentz’s agreement, Fitzgerald considered the contraction hypothesis as scientific dogma, and he decided to do the“laughing” at others who disagreed with him. All that was needed now was to package Fitzgerald’s idea in scientific garb and mathematical equations and it would instantly attain an air of prestige and intelligence.

The completely ad hoc nature of the contraction hypothesis is made obvious by the diametrically opposed views of Fitzgerald and Lorentz. Herbert Dingle astutely pointed out that, although Fitzgerald’s proposal has been commonly reported as a contraction of the longitudinal arm of the interferometer (the arm pointing toward the direction of the Earth’s movement), Fitzgerald originally proposed that the width, not the length, of the longitudinal arm increased, and that the length of the transverse arm also increased (the arm at a right angle to the movement of the Earth).

At other points Lorentz admitted he was uncertain. In 1904 he stated:

It need hardly be said that the present theory is put forward with all due reserve. Though it seems to me that it can account for all well-established facts, it leads to some consequences that cannot as yet be put to the test of experiment. One of these is that the result of Michelson’s experiment must remain negative… The experiments of which I have spoken are not the only reason for which a new examination of the problems connected with the motion of the Earth is desirable…in order to explain Michelson’s negative result,the introduction of a new hypothesis has been required…Surely this course of inventing special hypotheses for each new experimental result.

A more recent advocate of Lorentz admits:

Since the first steps of relativity, Lorentz-Fitzgerald contraction has been the subject of a debate which is not closed today, and divides physicists in opposite clans. Some of them consider length contraction as a naive opinion, for example Wesley, Phipps, Cornille, Galeczki. Some others consider it as a fundamental process which explains a lot of experimental facts. (LOL) Among them Bell, Selleri, Builder (MORONS), et al. Length contraction had been proposed by Lorentz and Fitzgerald in order to explain the null result of Michelson’s experiment. (Infact, the result was not completely null, but much weaker than expected).Length contraction was never observed. Of course, it cannot be observed directly by an observer in a moving frame, since the standard used to measure it, also contracts. But it could be observed indirectly. This was the objective of different renowned physicists who tried to observe the physical modifications entailed by motion: [e.g.,] variation of the refractive index of a refringent solid(Rayleigh and Brace); influence of the ether wind on a charged condenser (Trouton and Noble); the experiments of Trouton and Rankine and of Chaseand Tomashek on the electrical resistance of moving objects; and finally of Wood, Tomlison and Essen on the frequency of the longitudinal vibration of a rod. But the experiments proved all negative” (“How the Apparent Speed of Light Invariance Follows from Lorentz Contraction,” Joseph Lévy, France,unpublished, pp. 1-2.

Lévy has also written: “Hidden Variables in Lorentz Transformation” (P. I. R. T., 1998) and “Some Important Questions Regarding Lorentz-Poincare’s Theory and Einstein’s Relativity” (P. I. R. T., 1996)).

That Lorentz knew the implications of the problem is noted in a personal letter he wrote to Einstein in 1915. As we noted previously (but is well worth repeating), as he began to feel the effects of the centerless universe into which Einstein’s Relativity put the human race, in a moment of seeming desperation Lorentz appeals to the same entity upon which Isaac Newton and his “action-at-a-distance” concept found himself depending – a divine being that could hold it all together. Lorentz writes:

A “world spirit,” who would permeate the whole system under consideration without being tied to a particular place or “in whom” the system would consist, and for whom it would be possible to “feel” all events directly would obviously immediately single out one of the frames of reference over all others. - Henrick Lorentz to Albert Einstein, January 1915, Robert Schulmann, A. J. Kox,Michael Janssen and József Illy, editors, The Collected Papers of Albert Einstein,Correspondence 1914-1918, Princeton University Press, 1998, Document 43

Obviously, Lorentz is finding it difficult to live in the universe he created for himself. Here he is searching for a ubiquitous entity that can not only sense and coordinate all events instantaneously, but one that can also provide him with an absolute frame of reference. Why? Because Lorentz knows deep within himself that it can work no other way. A world of relativity ends up in chaos. Without admitting it, Lorentz is asking for precisely what we are providing – God and a fixed Earth.

For the time being, however, his “transformation” equation would spare him any tinge of guilt. This will not be the first time that mere imagination and mathematics come to the rescue to solve scientific enigmas. As Alfred O’Rahilly opined: “The mathematicians got their chance and the semi-educated developed their natural gullibility.”

Stanislaw Ulam in Adventures of a Mathematician, adds:

I should add here for the benefit of the reader who is not a professional physicist that the last thirty years or so have been a period of kaleidoscopically changing explanations of the increasingly strange world of elementary particles and of fields of force. A number of extremely talented theorists vie with each other in learned and clever attempts to explain and order the constant flow of experimental results which, or so it seems to me, almost perversely cast doubts about the just completed theoretical formulations.

Philosopher Bertrand Russell is a bit more sardonic:

Pure mathematics consists entirely of assertions to the effect that if such and such a proposition is true of anything  then such and such another proposition is true of that thing. It is essential not to discuss whether the first proposition is really true, and not to mention what the anything is, of which it is supposed to be true. Both of these points would belong to applied mathematics…. Thus mathematics may be defined as the subject in which we never know what we are talking about, nor what we are saying is true. - Bertrand Russell, Mysticism and Logic, 1957, pp. 70-71; Russell was famous for causing the retraction of G. Frege’s two-volume mathematical treatise by pointing out that the then current set theory, formulated by Georg Cantor, led to the absurd conclusion that: “N is a member of N set if, and only if, it is not a member of N set.”

"I can't breathe" George Floyd RIP

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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #228 on: June 07, 2020, 06:56:30 AM »
Look, cikljamas is exploring conspiracy theories. It's his interest and hobby. But, most notably, he's stated he's seeking the truth, and from what I've seen, I believe him.

This website is founded on the greatest conspiracy theory going, so he's come to the right place!

Stash, I disagree that sending one email request to a guy on a work email,  constitutes harassment by any definition you can find. He was polite and honest, and I will be surprised if professor Smith doesn't at least respond to him. 

I see this as a wonderful opportunity to employ critical thinking to dissolve a little conspiracy theory. When finished, if cikljamas is still truth seeking regarding other bigger conspiracy theories, I'll happily assist in his search for the truth. 

Because he has manners.

Harassing some guy on the internet who has been listed on some crazy conspiracy meme spread around is not what you do if you have manners.

I disagree with you heavily here, it is harassing, you think cikljamas is the only one to bother this guy?

Also, once again I point out that cikljamas has denied and refused to accept every piece of evidence presented to him on this subject. There is an entire page on Snopes devoted to this, plus all our arguments here, and he still believes a meme. What good is a childhood picture going to be? I can tell you his response right now if he got a childhood picture back, "Well his handlers at NASA just fabricated that!"

What you are saying doesn't add up, at all, just as well as anything else you spout out through your psychotic, lying mouth. Why would i discard prof. Smith's picture (taken in 80') as a fabrication made "by his handlers at NASA," since i didn't discard prof. Resnik's picture (taken in 80') as a fabrication handled "by her handlers at NASA?" Did i?

So are you admitting that Resnik the NASA astronaut died in the Shuttle explosion and those pictures of the living Resnik are of a different person?

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hoppy

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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #229 on: June 07, 2020, 08:26:14 AM »
YOU ONLY NEED TO PROVE ONE OF THEM TO BE THE SAME PERSON TO PROVE THE THEORY :




What follows is at the level (of credibility) of the fairytale about 9/11 highjacker passport that was allegedly found moments before the World Trade Center 2 (South Tower) collapsed :





Ronald McNair is next. He was a Mission Specialist on the crew. The official story is that this picture below is of Carl McNair, who just happens to be Ronald’s twin brother. If you believe that, then I’ve got some land in Florida I think you might be interested in. Here you can see “Carl” McNair on LinkedIn, where he happens to be a “Best-Selling Author, Inspirational Speaker and Science, Technology, Engineering and Math (STEM) Education Consultant.”

Ellison Onizuka is still alive. The official story in Ellison’s case is also an “identical twin brother” coincidence. So apparently, that’s not Ellison on the right, it’s his brother Claude. Yeah, right. Wink, wink. :lol:

THE BEST VIDEO EVER MADE ON THIS TOPIC :

Challenger Crew Still Alive and Kicking :

I agree.
God is real.                                         
http://www.scribd.com/doc/9665708/Flat-Earth-Bible-02-of-10-The-Flat-Earth

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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #230 on: June 07, 2020, 09:22:00 AM »
It’s alive!

Hoppy should send emails to people, too.

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cikljamas

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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #231 on: June 07, 2020, 01:03:41 PM »
Look, cikljamas is exploring conspiracy theories. It's his interest and hobby. But, most notably, he's stated he's seeking the truth, and from what I've seen, I believe him.

This website is founded on the greatest conspiracy theory going, so he's come to the right place!

Stash, I disagree that sending one email request to a guy on a work email,  constitutes harassment by any definition you can find. He was polite and honest, and I will be surprised if professor Smith doesn't at least respond to him. 

I see this as a wonderful opportunity to employ critical thinking to dissolve a little conspiracy theory. When finished, if cikljamas is still truth seeking regarding other bigger conspiracy theories, I'll happily assist in his search for the truth. 

Because he has manners.

Harassing some guy on the internet who has been listed on some crazy conspiracy meme spread around is not what you do if you have manners.

I disagree with you heavily here, it is harassing, you think cikljamas is the only one to bother this guy?

Also, once again I point out that cikljamas has denied and refused to accept every piece of evidence presented to him on this subject. There is an entire page on Snopes devoted to this, plus all our arguments here, and he still believes a meme. What good is a childhood picture going to be? I can tell you his response right now if he got a childhood picture back, "Well his handlers at NASA just fabricated that!"

What you are saying doesn't add up, at all, just as well as anything else you spout out through your psychotic, lying mouth. Why would i discard prof. Smith's picture (taken in 80') as a fabrication made "by his handlers at NASA," since i didn't discard prof. Resnik's picture (taken in 80') as a fabrication handled "by her handlers at NASA?" Did i?

So are you admitting that Resnik the NASA astronaut died in the Shuttle explosion and those pictures of the living Resnik are of a different person?

Making so much noise about such a simple, polite email is very telling. Very, very telling.
Assuming that prof. Smith is not the same person as astronaut Smith, he should be concerned only about establishing (once and for all) the fact that he is not the same person as astronaut Smith.
If you imply that he should be concerned about NASA's credibility, then you actually imply that he is also NASA shill, just like you.

Let's try to replay the dialogue between the guy who allegedly haunted prof. Smith and prof. Smith :

The guy : Are you the same person as astronaut Smith
Prof. Smith : No i am not
The guy : Would you like to prove it?
Prof. Smith : No.
The guy : Why not?
Prof. Smith : There is no particular reason, i just don't want to take part in this stupid game.
The guy : Wouldn't it be much more elegant and easier for you if you publicaly presented one old photo of yours from that time, and once and for all put that whole thing behind you?
Prof. Smith : Maybe it would, but i still refuse to actively participate in this idiotic conspiracy theory.
The guy : So, you rather choose to participate in this idiotic game passively, as though such participation is less annoying or/and troublesome?
Prof. Smith : Take it as you want, i have firmly decided not to take any sort of active part in this shell game.
The guy: Shell game?
Prof. Smith: Exactly?
The guy: Who are the swindlers?
Prof. Smith: Conspiracy theorists like you.
The guy: Could it be, by any chance, that the real swindlers are your handlers at NASA (including you, of course)?
Prof. Smith: No, it could not!
The guy: I'll take your word for it, btw, could you be so kind to show me your picture from your younger days, after our long, friendly conversation?
Prof. Smith: You still don't believe me?
The guy: I believe you, but you know, one little, elegant proof would significantly add to the credibility of my belief in veracity of your claims.
Prof. Smith: No way, i'm done. Bye.
The guy: By mr Smith, i'm glad you survived Challenger "disaster."
Prof. Smith: Feel free to believe whatever you want.
The guy: You can bet i will believe you survived that "disaster."
Prof. Smith: If you say that once again, i will turn you over to FBI.
The guy: Straight to FBI? How about POLICE?
Prof. Smith: I got ties to the FBI, so it will be more elegant for me to turn you over to FBI, without bothering police.
The guy: Well, a regular guy as you (as you pretend to be) has got such a tight connections with FBI? Isn't that suspicious?
Prof. Smith: Bye!
The guy: Bye, and rot in hell.
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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #232 on: June 07, 2020, 01:06:01 PM »
And that, right there, is a shining example of a conspiracy theorist ready to change his mind!

Isn't that so, Smoke machine police?

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cikljamas

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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #233 on: June 07, 2020, 01:23:55 PM »
And that, right there, is a shining example of a conspiracy theorist ready to change his mind!

Isn't that so, Smoke machine police?


This video (besides an absence of his reply to my email) brought me an idea to try to dramatize the dialogue between prof. Smith and the guy who allegedly haunted him :
"I can't breathe" George Floyd RIP

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JJA

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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #234 on: June 07, 2020, 02:29:03 PM »
Harassing some guy on the internet who has been listed on some crazy conspiracy meme spread around is not what you do if you have manners.

I disagree with you heavily here, it is harassing, you think cikljamas is the only one to bother this guy?

Also, once again I point out that cikljamas has denied and refused to accept every piece of evidence presented to him on this subject. There is an entire page on Snopes devoted to this, plus all our arguments here, and he still believes a meme. What good is a childhood picture going to be? I can tell you his response right now if he got a childhood picture back, "Well his handlers at NASA just fabricated that!"

What you are saying doesn't add up, at all, just as well as anything else you spout out through your psychotic, lying mouth. Why would i discard prof. Smith's picture (taken in 80') as a fabrication made "by his handlers at NASA," since i didn't discard prof. Resnik's picture (taken in 80') as a fabrication handled "by her handlers at NASA?" Did i?

So are you admitting that Resnik the NASA astronaut died in the Shuttle explosion and those pictures of the living Resnik are of a different person?

Making so much noise about such a simple, polite email is very telling. Very, very telling.
Assuming that prof. Smith is not the same person as astronaut Smith, he should be concerned only about establishing (once and for all) the fact that he is not the same person as astronaut Smith.
If you imply that he should be concerned about NASA's credibility, then you actually imply that he is also NASA shill, just like you.

Let's try to replay the dialogue between the guy who allegedly haunted prof. Smith and prof. Smith :

The guy : Are you the same person as astronaut Smith
Prof. Smith : No i am not
The guy : Would you like to prove it?
Prof. Smith : No.
The guy : Why not?
Prof. Smith : There is no particular reason, i just don't want to take part in this stupid game.
The guy : Wouldn't it be much more elegant and easier for you if you publicaly presented one old photo of yours from that time, and once and for all put that whole thing behind you?
Prof. Smith : Maybe it would, but i still refuse to actively participate in this idiotic conspiracy theory.
The guy : So, you rather choose to participate in this idiotic game passively, as though such participation is less annoying or/and troublesome?
Prof. Smith : Take it as you want, i have firmly decided not to take any sort of active part in this shell game.
The guy: Shell game?
Prof. Smith: Exactly?
The guy: Who are the swindlers?
Prof. Smith: Conspiracy theorists like you.
The guy: Could it be, by any chance, that the real swindlers are your handlers at NASA (including you, of course)?
Prof. Smith: No, it could not!
The guy: I'll take your word for it, btw, could you be so kind to show me your picture from your younger days, after our long, friendly conversation?
Prof. Smith: You still don't believe me?
The guy: I believe you, but you know, one little, elegant proof would significantly add to the credibility of my belief in veracity of your claims.
Prof. Smith: No way, i'm done. Bye.
The guy: By mr Smith, i'm glad you survived Challenger "disaster."
Prof. Smith: Feel free to believe whatever you want.
The guy: You can bet i will believe you survived that "disaster."
Prof. Smith: If you say that once again, i will turn you over to FBI.
The guy: Straight to FBI? How about POLICE?
Prof. Smith: I got ties to the FBI, so it will be more elegant for me to turn you over to FBI, without bothering police.
The guy: Well, a regular guy as you (as you pretend to be) has got such a tight connections with FBI? Isn't that suspicious?
Prof. Smith: Bye!
The guy: Bye, and rot in hell.

Look, cikljamas is exploring conspiracy theories. It's his interest and hobby. But, most notably, he's stated he's seeking the truth, and from what I've seen, I believe him.

This website is founded on the greatest conspiracy theory going, so he's come to the right place!

Stash, I disagree that sending one email request to a guy on a work email,  constitutes harassment by any definition you can find. He was polite and honest, and I will be surprised if professor Smith doesn't at least respond to him. 

I see this as a wonderful opportunity to employ critical thinking to dissolve a little conspiracy theory. When finished, if cikljamas is still truth seeking regarding other bigger conspiracy theories, I'll happily assist in his search for the truth. 

Because he has manners.

There you are, an example of his manners.  And an example of just how willing he will be to believe anything Prof Smith sends him.

Do you still want to encourage him to harass this guy?  You think after THAT conversation he is going to be happy about cikljamas  demanding the same?

You are encouraging him to harass a REAL person who from that transcript is clearly upset about the whole thing.  And then what?  Even if he leaves this guy along, you think he won't go after the next one?  Maybe start with one of the brothers, demanding he prove his dead brother actually died.  That would go over real well, wouldn't it?

You need to find a little empathy here for these people you are ENCOURAGING other forum members to harass.
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« Reply #235 on: June 07, 2020, 05:05:37 PM »




Cikljamas, on the left we have Challenger crew member payload specialist, Teacher, Christa McAuliffe. On the right we have a presumably recent photo of Christa McAuliffe Law Teacher.

Do I need to point out the clear differences in these two people? Most noteably is the different eye color. Law teacher McAuliffe has light blue eyes, while payload specialist Mcauliffe had very dark brown eyes. Then there is the different nose shape. Then there is the different chin shape, the different smile...and the list goes on...

Tick off Christa McAuliffe from the list of challenger crew surviving doppelgangers.



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For the overall shape of Earth to be flat, requires billions of people and billions of pieces of information about Earth to be wrong. Do the maths.

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« Reply #236 on: June 07, 2020, 05:30:53 PM »
JJA, I wasn't aware of that email exchange between a conspiracy theorist and Professor Smith. This email exchange is self explanatory in the likely event Cikljamas receives no reply from Professor Smith. It doesn't change the fact the conspiracy theory exists, a younger photo of Smith would help dispel the silliness, and Cikljamas went about his request politely.

Don't worry, I'll get to Michael Smith in due course.

Resnik is out. McAuliffe is out. Only five to go. 
For the overall shape of Earth to be flat, requires billions of people and billions of pieces of information about Earth to be wrong. Do the maths.

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« Reply #237 on: June 07, 2020, 11:21:57 PM »
What we have here is something quite harmless (FE beliefs) expanding into the realm of people who have no part in the believers' brand of insanity eccentricities.

With this, FE has now moved from being a minor nuisance (if even that) to something which causes needless stress and discomfort in persons having nothing to do with FE believers' antics.

And then we even have enablers like Smoke machine police who urge them on.

Well done. FE is now Sandy Hook.
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« Reply #238 on: June 08, 2020, 12:56:31 AM »

What we have here is something quite harmless (FE beliefs) expanding into the realm of people who have no part in the believers' brand of insanity eccentricities.

With this, FE has now moved from being a minor nuisance (if even that) to something which causes needless stress and discomfort in persons having nothing to do with FE believers' antics.

And then we even have enablers like Smoke machine police who urge them on.

Well done. FE is now Sandy Hook.

Lol! I'm an "enabler"?

My 'urging' was to cikljamas to get photos of each of the doppelgangers when they were younger- preferably in the mid 1980's. He emailed professor Smith off his own bat. I've praised him, for taking positive action to investigate instead of lynching him like a gang of online thugs.

FE, if you haven't noticed, rvlvr, by its very nature includes NASA haters and generally people who believe NASA has spent billions of American tax payer dollars on cheap Hollywood set movies.  Why do you think this conspiracy theory about the challenger space launch exists?

This is the Flat Earth Society but it could just as easily have been called the "NASA Liar Society."
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« Reply #239 on: June 08, 2020, 01:19:12 AM »
So you think it is okay for cikljamas to email someone who has nothing to do with what is being discussed here? It is okay for you to tell cikljamas you think it is good he sends emails like that? That is not urging him to do so?

Get a grip, man. Own up.

FE, if you haven't noticed, rvlvr, by its very nature includes NASA haters and generally people who believe NASA has spent billions of American tax payer dollars on cheap Hollywood set movies.  Why do you think this conspiracy theory about the challenger space launch exists?

This is the Flat Earth Society but it could just as easily have been called the "NASA Liar Society."
Who gives a fuck what FE could or should be called? Has nothing to do with harassing people who have no part in it. How you fail to see this is beyond me.
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