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There appear to be several competing models. Which do you believe to be the right one?

Dual Earth model
0 (0%)
Non-Euclidean model
0 (0%)
Infinite Earth
1 (6.7%)
The Biblical model
0 (0%)
Advanced Flat Earth Theory
3 (20%)
None of the above
11 (73.3%)

Total Members Voted: 15

Voting closed: June 06, 2020, 08:34:53 AM

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A poll: Which FE model is the right one

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rvlvr

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A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« on: May 27, 2020, 08:34:53 AM »
Let’s find out which FE model has the most supporters.
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rvlvr

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Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2020, 10:23:14 AM »
Interesting. This does not show a lot of love for any of the listed FE models.
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sandokhan

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Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2020, 10:38:39 AM »
Only one FE model counts: the one that has withstood fierce debates, the one which does explain every important aspect, AFET.

And it is not listed among the choices.
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Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2020, 10:41:59 AM »
Quote from: sandokhan on May 27, 2020, 10:38:39 AM
Only one FE model counts: the one that has withstood fierce debates, the one which does explain every important aspect, AFET.

And it is not listed among the choices.
Fixed.
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Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2020, 12:17:02 PM »
Quote from: sandokhan on May 27, 2020, 10:38:39 AM
Only one FE model counts: the one that has withstood fierce debates, the one which does explain every important aspect, AFET.

And it is not listed among the choices.

Is that the theory that can’t explain a cat toy?
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Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2020, 12:58:45 PM »
Quote from: sandokhan on May 27, 2020, 10:38:39 AM
Only one FE model counts: the one that has withstood fierce debates, the one which does explain every important aspect, AFET.

And it is not listed among the choices.
Possibly because everybody but you thinks that almost all aspects of it are totally ridiculous - ever thought of that.

Why don't you try convincing flat-Earthers of it before trying to convince anybody else?

If the flat-Earthers here are unreceptive the try at TFES.org and YouTube - there are many influential flat-Earthers there.
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Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2020, 01:04:37 PM »
AFET looked like a strong runner, but it appears there are others I have not listed.

What I find intriguing is the lack of support for the one from the Bible, and, to lesser extent, the one by John.
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Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2020, 01:06:29 PM »
Quote from: rvlvr on May 27, 2020, 01:04:37 PM
AFET looked like a strong runner, but it appears there are others I have not listed.

What I find intriguing is the lack of support for the one from the Bible, and, to lesser extent, the one by John.

I like the infinite earth. That's got such fascinating consequences, and at least deals with gravity. There could be a caravan of aliens pulling up to the ice wall RIGHT now on that one. Very cool.
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Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2020, 03:17:02 PM »
Could I recommend adding the standard monopole model?
If that is what you meant by the Biblical model some people might not like the religious connection, especially those from other religions.
And perhaps also an option for no FE model is right?

Quote from: sandokhan on May 27, 2020, 10:38:39 AM
Only one FE model counts: the one that has withstood fierce debates, the one which does explain every important aspect
So none of them, as they have all failed in debates and none can explain everything? (or alternatively, the non-flat flat Earth, i.e. the round Earth model where flat is redefined to match Earth?)
If you wish to disagree, feel free to tell me what FE model can explain the existence of 2 celestial poles always 180 degrees apart.
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Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2020, 09:21:35 PM »
I am fully aware not all the possible options are listed. Jane’s FE compendium helped, but even that does not have everything, I am sure.

I could edit the poll, yes. But I am afraid it will affect the results which we have now. At least I think the last time I did an edit that happened. Not 100% sure, though.

And I’d rather not have the option of no FE model being correct. RE need not answer this poll — it is for FE! Still it does show us the ”luminaries” here do not appear to hold the keys it comes to the right model pictured by our FE brethren.
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Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2020, 10:36:02 PM »
My AFET explains everything, including the claim that the poles should be 180 degrees apart.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=67769.90

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=67769.30

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Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2020, 10:53:56 PM »
Be that as it may, it does not really matter. I'd actually you'd refrain from peddling your wares here.

AFET is now a part of the poll. I think that is enough.
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Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2020, 10:57:04 PM »
You should eliminate the "none of the above" choice. The five FE models cover pretty much every conceivable FET. The people who voted none of the above should choose one of the options. How is none of the above related to the main question: which FE model is the right one?
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Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2020, 11:20:21 PM »
True, my poll is not the best. I am not a professional with background in said field. It is just to gauge the general opinion here.

AFET seems to do well, but it would appear the ones mentioned here are not the ones people think best convey what they imagine FE to be. Still, I'd hazard a guess there are can only be one. Maybe this poll will bring people who have other ideas come forward. Maybe they know better than you as they do not share your vision, they think your model is wrong.
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Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2020, 11:28:53 PM »
Your poll is very good.

If you include the none of the above option it is like asking "do you believe in FET or not?", and not which FE model is the right one.
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Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2020, 11:34:25 PM »
True, the "none of the above" option does allow people not FE to poison the well.

I thought of not having it there, but I wanted an option there for people not liking any of the others. An open field to list their version would have been the best, but I am not sure this platform allows such a thing. (I did not investigate said option that well, I do admit.)
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Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2020, 09:34:14 AM »
About the option offered as "The Biblical model":

The Biblical model is not Flat Earth.

The Biblical model is Geocentrism, which is unmovable globe in the center of heavens,
surrounded with several crystal spheres, each carrying own set of celestial bodies.
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Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2020, 09:48:30 AM »
Ah, yes.

Like I said, I tried to cover all bases, but it is quite apparent I did not manage too well.
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Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2020, 02:45:42 PM »
Quote from: Macarios on June 01, 2020, 09:34:14 AM
The Biblical model is not Flat Earth.
The Biblical model is Geocentrism, which is unmovable globe in the center of heavens,
surrounded with several crystal spheres, each carrying own set of celestial bodies.
I find no depiction of Earth being a globe in the Bible and plenty which indicates it is flat, with a dome.
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Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2020, 04:12:12 PM »
Quote from: sandokhan on May 27, 2020, 10:38:39 AM
Only one FE model counts: the one that has withstood fierce debates, the one which does explain every important aspect, AFET.

And it is not listed among the choices.

Which  IS  the " only one FE  model counts "  ????????
Could you supply a print of this "AFET" map. ?????????
« Last Edit: June 03, 2020, 04:21:27 PM by robintex »
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Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2020, 04:42:27 PM »
Quote from: robintex on June 03, 2020, 04:12:12 PM
Quote from: sandokhan on May 27, 2020, 10:38:39 AM
Only one FE model counts: the one that has withstood fierce debates, the one which does explain every important aspect, AFET.

And it is not listed among the choices.

Which  IS  the " only one FE  model counts "  ?????????
Could you supply a print of this "AFET" map. ?????????
Sandokhan's "one FE model" is his "Advanced Flat Earth Theory" as described in tedious and painful detail in:Advanced Flat Earth Theory.
Here is a bit from the start:
Quote from: Sandokhan
FET is a subset of a larger topic: the new radical chronology of history.

The new chronology of history: the correct chronology starts in the year 1000 AD, nothing is known prior to 800 AD.

The new radical chronology of history: each and every event assumed to have taken place prior to 1780 AD has been totally forged/invented/falsified. History is just some 365 years old (I started with a figure of 500 years, and slowly reduced the period to 364-365 years).

Christ was crucified at Constantinople some 260 years ago, and the falsification of each and every known religious text begun soon after, in the period 1775-1790 AD.

The Deluge occurred some 310 years ago; while the dinosaurs were created a few decades earlier, after Adam and Eve joined the one million pairs of humans which already were living beyond the Garden of Eden.

Each and every statement described above will be proven, using the most precise astronomical datings possible, from Gauss' Easter formula, to the dating using the comets' tails rate of dispersion of matter, see pages 7-12.

This is Sandokhan's "True Flat Earth Map":
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Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2020, 04:46:51 PM »
Do you know that robintex is actually Googleotomy and already knows all that?
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Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2020, 05:05:16 PM »
Quote from: Space Cowgirl on June 03, 2020, 04:46:51 PM
Do you know that robintex is actually Googleotomy and already knows all that?
Yes, I know that "robintex is actually Googleotomy" and I know why he changed his name ;D.
But others might be unaware of the wealth of knowledge :o in AFET ;D.
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Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2020, 05:49:18 PM »
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Quote from: Space Cowgirl on June 03, 2020, 04:46:51 PM
Do you know that robintex is actually Googleotomy and already knows all that?
You are right. I just got tired of the old "googleotomy" and decided to change it to "robintex". And also my apologies to rabinoz and all FE's and all RE's. I just copied his idea and changed it to mine.
It stands for " Robert In Texas".

Back to topic. After looking at sandokhan's map again.
Explain to me just how you would  sail across the Pacific Ocean from the west coast of the United States to the east coast of Japan using sandokhan's map ?

« Last Edit: June 03, 2020, 06:50:11 PM by robintex »
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Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2020, 05:58:50 PM »
Quote from: rabinoz on June 03, 2020, 05:05:16 PM
Quote from: Space Cowgirl on June 03, 2020, 04:46:51 PM
Do you know that robintex is actually Googleotomy and already knows all that?
Yes, I know that "robintex is actually Googleotomy" and I know why he changed his name ;D.
But others might be unaware of the wealth of knowledge :o in AFET ;D.

Any comments on the size and shape of Australia on sandokhan's map, rabinoz ?
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Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2020, 07:17:42 PM »
Quote from: robintex on June 03, 2020, 05:58:50 PM
Quote from: rabinoz on June 03, 2020, 05:05:16 PM
Quote from: Space Cowgirl on June 03, 2020, 04:46:51 PM
Do you know that robintex is actually Googleotomy and already knows all that?
Yes, I know that "robintex is actually Googleotomy" and I know why he changed his name ;D.
But others might be unaware of the wealth of knowledge :o in AFET ;D.

Any comments on the size and shape of Australia on sandokhan's map, rabinoz ?
Here's an 1855 map of Australia based on surveys etc but long before satellite mapping:

You be the judge.

But my big problem with a map like Sandokhan's is:
How does one fly from San Francisco, Honolulu, Suva (Fiji) to Brisbane (Australia) as Kingsford Smith did in 1928.
The charts used for planning and navigation were, of course, based on the Globe and the successfully found Fiji using celestial navigation.
I don't see that flight, with its severe fuel constraints, being possible if Sandokhan's "True Flat Earth Map" were correct:
« Last Edit: June 04, 2020, 01:31:48 AM by rabinoz »
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Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2020, 09:22:03 PM »
I will make no more posts on this thread until I hear from sandokhan for an answer to my question.
That's my big problem.
Are there any sailors or pilots who want to make comments on sandokhan's map about the route from San Diego to Honolulu to Yokosuka ?
They can give you answers.
« Last Edit: June 03, 2020, 09:48:02 PM by robintex »
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Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2020, 09:24:44 PM »
As I said, each and every aspect of the Piri Reis map was debated a long time ago, including Hawaii:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=38712.30 (my map won the poll)


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Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2020, 09:30:13 PM »
Quote from: sandokhan on June 03, 2020, 09:24:44 PM
As I said, each and every aspect of the Piri Reis map was debated a long time ago, including Hawaii:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=38712.30 (my map won the poll)



Just let me know how your route would go.
What course would you take from San Diego to Honolulu ?
And from Honolulu to Yokosuka ?
And where is the North Pole on your map ?
And is the shape and size of Australia more accurate on your map than rabinoz's map ?
« Last Edit: June 03, 2020, 09:55:51 PM by robintex »
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Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2020, 10:04:06 PM »
San Diego - Honolulu (dark spot on the map): next to the outer rim of the map, over the Pacific Ocean

Honolulu - Japan: next to the outer rim of the map, over the Pacific Ocean.

Very simple.

Can you explain to your readers how the water contained by the oceans adheres to the outer surface of a sphere?

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