Discussion of Concave Hollow Earth by WildHeretic

  I know what you are thinking. This idiot doesn’t realize that camcorders can’t pick up stars even in the best low-light conditions, let alone contrasting with the bright sky below.

Absolutely. It is very difficult to see stars with a camcorder, but there are ways to tinker with some of them to see stars at night. The Panasonic HDC-TM90K and Samsing SDC-435 are two such examples.

Still, the people sending up their balloons during the day were probably not interested in changing the camera settings just to see stars. Their camera might not be capable or they may not have read its instruction manual on how to do it. Fair enough.

Having said that, there is not one example on You Tube where one single star is visible at all at any time. Not once.

1. Repeatable. Unlike the so-called amateur footage of 9-11, which was a one-off event in history that we can’t repeat ourselves since the event has past forever.
2. Accessible. Sending a camera up to 30 to 44km is something which anyone can do for under $100. This guy’s launch cost $325. Most people can afford that.
3. Variedly sourced. The amateurs must come from all walks of life and not all be connected to one family (think Sandy Hook hoax) or all work for the big media companies (think 9-11) or be involved with any one organization.
4. Numerous. There must be more than a handful of videos or photographs. Obviously, the more there are, the better.

“You can see that the sky is totally black.”
 

Hello. Most of us think that there are only 2 possibilities of Earth's shape. Flat or Round. But I belive there is 3.

Concave Earth. That is basicly hollow Earth with us inside. It was created by Cyrus Reed Teed. ( more about him: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Cellular_cosmogony ). Me founded Koreshian Society which followed his ideas. Later, he did Naples survey, (refitation: https://www.lockhaven.edu/~dsimanek/hollow/morrow.htm )

Quote from: Code-Beta1234 on May 23, 2020, 01:56:35 PM

Hello. Most of us think that there are only 2 possibilities of Earth's shape. Flat or Round. But I belive there is 3.

Concave Earth. That is basicly hollow Earth with us inside. It was created by Cyrus Reed Teed. ( more about him: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Cellular_cosmogony ). Me founded Koreshian Society which followed his ideas. Later, he did Naples survey, (refitation: https://www.lockhaven.edu/~dsimanek/hollow/morrow.htm )

Why waste time on every silly possibility?
Just see that the simple Heliocentric Solar System with its slowly rotatin Earth fit all we can see and determine quite well.
Spend you time understanding that, along with a bit of simple physics and astronomy, then you might more easily see the obvious flaws in these new ideas.

So many flat Earthers, especially those on YouTube, simply have distorted ideas about the Globe Earth, Sun, Moon etc.
As a result, there arguments against the Globe Earth, Sun, Moon turn out to be unintended straw-man claims.

Quote from: rabinoz on May 23, 2020, 06:15:46 PM

Quote from: Code-Beta1234 on May 23, 2020, 01:56:35 PM

Hello. Most of us think that there are only 2 possibilities of Earth's shape. Flat or Round. But I belive there is 3.

Concave Earth. That is basicly hollow Earth with us inside. It was created by Cyrus Reed Teed. ( more about him: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Cellular_cosmogony ). Me founded Koreshian Society which followed his ideas. Later, he did Naples survey, (refitation: https://www.lockhaven.edu/~dsimanek/hollow/morrow.htm )

Why waste time on every silly possibility?
Just see that the simple Heliocentric Solar System with its slowly rotatin Earth fit all we can see and determine quite well.
Spend you time understanding that, along with a bit of simple physics and astronomy, then you might more easily see the obvious flaws in these new ideas.

So many flat Earthers, especially those on YouTube, simply have distorted ideas about the Globe Earth, Sun, Moon etc.
As a result, there arguments against the Globe Earth, Sun, Moon turn out to be unintended straw-man claims.

Bit why didn't Felix see any stars?

Hello. Most of us think that there are only 2 possibilities of Earth's shape. Flat or Round. But I belive there is 3.

Concave Earth. That is basicly hollow Earth with us inside. It was created by Cyrus Reed Teed. ( more about him: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Cellular_cosmogony ). Me founded Koreshian Society which followed his ideas. Later, he did Naples survey, (refitation: https://www.lockhaven.edu/~dsimanek/hollow/morrow.htm )

Quote from: Code-Beta1234 on May 24, 2020, 01:01:36 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on May 23, 2020, 06:15:46 PM

Quote from: Code-Beta1234 on May 23, 2020, 01:56:35 PM

Hello. Most of us think that there are only 2 possibilities of Earth's shape. Flat or Round. But I belive there is 3.

Concave Earth. That is basicly hollow Earth with us inside. It was created by Cyrus Reed Teed. ( more about him: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Cellular_cosmogony ). Me founded Koreshian Society which followed his ideas. Later, he did Naples survey, (refitation: https://www.lockhaven.edu/~dsimanek/hollow/morrow.htm )

Why waste time on every silly possibility?
Just see that the simple Heliocentric Solar System with its slowly rotatin Earth fit all we can see and determine quite well.
Spend you time understanding that, along with a bit of simple physics and astronomy, then you might more easily see the obvious flaws in these new ideas.

So many flat Earthers, especially those on YouTube, simply have distorted ideas about the Globe Earth, Sun, Moon etc.
As a result, there arguments against the Globe Earth, Sun, Moon turn out to be unintended straw-man claims.

Bit why didn't Felix see any stars?

Who's this Felix who see any stars?

Basicly, we can't find diffirence in globe vs concave.

He says that there aren't any stars in ballon videos form amateurs.

can’t pick up stars even in the best low-light conditions

Having said that, there is not one example on You Tube where one single star is visible at all at any time.

He then claims that NASA is rich and that they shoud have brought us photos of stars

Quote from: rabinoz on May 24, 2020, 01:18:54 AM

Quote from: Code-Beta1234 on May 24, 2020, 01:01:36 AM

Bit why didn't Felix see any stars?

Who's this Felix who see any stars?

https://g.co/kgs/LqofwN

• The human eye adjusts for dark conditions automatically, but it can take a long time - about 20 minutes to get good adaption to nighttime conditions even from artificial light - as for ships lookouts.
  
  
• The camera can adapt to varying light conditions, but only if set for automatic exposure but needs far greater exposure to see stars than to photograph a bright sunny day.
  

There are actually vastly more, and technically round and flat are just descriptions of subsets.
For example, a flat disk is a different shape to a flat infinite plane.

But yes a concave Earth is another option which isn't supported by reality.

The main benefit it has over a FE, is that a map of the surface is correct.
With the sun and celestial objects up in the sky (without any explanation of what magic keeps them there) there is nothing to cause them to appear to set.

Quote from: Code-Beta1234 on May 23, 2020, 01:56:35 PM

Basicly, we can't find diffirence in globe vs concave.

We can, the difference is the explanation.
Concave Earth requires Earth to hold a space itself to distort, bending the path of light and changing the apparent size of objects.
If you remove all that and instead have it be just an inside out Earth, without magic bendy light and normal space, then the 2 are vastly different.

Quote from: Code-Beta1234 on May 23, 2020, 01:56:35 PM

He says that there aren't any stars in ballon videos form amateurs.

And you wouldn't expect them.
But before going down that rabbit hole, the better question to ask is what difference is there between concave and convex Earth?
This is one of many issues that would be a problem in general, and not actually a problem at all.

What explanation does he provide for a concave Earth which wouldn't work for a RE?

Quote from: Code-Beta1234 on May 23, 2020, 01:56:35 PM

can’t pick up stars even in the best low-light conditions

No, they can't pick up stars in some of the worst conditions, where the footage often goes directly towards the sun and is shot during the day, with an extremely bright Earth.
Likewise, Felix couldn't see stars because he could see Earth and his eyes adjusted to that.
Try observing stars, from inside your house, through a window, with the lights on.

Quote from: Code-Beta1234 on May 23, 2020, 01:56:35 PM

Having said that, there is not one example on You Tube where one single star is visible at all at any time.

Why should there be?
Most people aren't sending up balloons to observe stars.

Quote from: Code-Beta1234 on May 23, 2020, 01:56:35 PM

He then claims that NASA is rich and that they shoud have brought us photos of stars

And they have.
Have you seen the images from Hubble?

They say they explenation for day-hight cycle
http://www.wildheretic.com/how-is-there-night-and-day/

And they can make accurate predictions.( http://www.wildheretic.com/can-this-theory-make-predictions/ )

And world leading mathematicans calcualted that if light bended unlike mainstream science says than it will be inpossible to see diffirence just by looking.

Concave offers answers that flat Earth can't and for me, and it is superior to FE form my point of view.

You don't have any evidence either for your RE fairy tale.

You don't have an explanation for attractive gravity.

You don't have an explanation for attractive gravity.

Concave Earth worls of light bended ublike modern science says. Maybie sandokhan's ether (proofs) work on concave Earth? And as I said, it is inpossible to see are we on ball or bowl just  by looking

And they got scientific evidence for light bending outside of refraction

http://www.wildheretic.com/bendy-light-the-evidence/#Micro%20cavities

And they got scientific evidence for light bending outside of refraction
http://www.wildheretic.com/bendy-light-the-evidence/#Micro%20cavities

Hello. Most of us think that there are only 2 possibilities of Earth's shape. Flat or Round. But I belive there is 3.

Concave Earth. That is basicly hollow Earth with us inside. It was created by Cyrus Reed Teed. ( more about him: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Cellular_cosmogony ). Me founded Koreshian Society which followed his ideas. Later, he did Naples survey, (refitation: https://www.lockhaven.edu/~dsimanek/hollow/morrow.htm )

Quote form wiki:

"Several 20th-century German writers, including Peter Bender, Johannes Lang, Karl Neupert, and Fritz Braut, published works advocating the Hollow Earth hypothesis, or Hohlweltlehre. It has even been reported, although apparently without historical documentation, that Adolf Hitler was influenced by concave Hollow Earth ideas and sent an expedition in an unsuccessful attempt to spy on the British fleet by pointing infrared cameras up at the sky.[46][47]"

"
In one chapter of his book On the Wild Side (1992), Martin Gardner discusses the Hollow Earth model articulated by Abdelkader. According to Gardner, this hypothesis posits that light rays travel in circular paths, and slow as they approach the center of the spherical star-filled cavern. No energy can reach the center of the cavern, which corresponds to no point a finite distance away from Earth in the widely accepted scientific cosmology. A drill, Gardner says, would lengthen as it traveled away from the cavern and eventually pass through the "point at infinity" corresponding to the center of the Earth in the widely accepted scientific cosmology. Supposedly no experiment can distinguish between the two cosmologies.

Gardner notes that "most mathematicians believe that an inside-out universe, with properly adjusted physical laws, is empirically irrefutable". Gardner rejects the concave Hollow Earth hypothesis on the basis of Occam's razor.[50]"

Basicly, we can't find diffirence in globe vs concave.

But to main point: wildheretic

He is concaver with his own site:

http://www.wildheretic.com/

He belives most of things flat Earthers do like: there is glass in sky, NASA fake..., ane he has evidence

Let's start with his article called "dissaperaing stars" and comments below it, beacise maybie our objections are answered:

http://www.wildheretic.com/disappearing-stars/

He says that there aren't any stars in ballon videos form amateurs. Expoisire is answer

But he intercepted us:

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  I know what you are thinking. This idiot doesn’t realize that camcorders can’t pick up stars even in the best low-light conditions, let alone contrasting with the bright sky below.

Absolutely. It is very difficult to see stars with a camcorder, but there are ways to tinker with some of them to see stars at night. The Panasonic HDC-TM90K and Samsing SDC-435 are two such examples.

Still, the people sending up their balloons during the day were probably not interested in changing the camera settings just to see stars. Their camera might not be capable or they may not have read its instruction manual on how to do it. Fair enough.

Having said that, there is not one example on You Tube where one single star is visible at all at any time. Not once.

He then claims that NASA is rich and that they shoud have brought us photos of stars...

And claims amateur photo similar to NASA. By amateur, he mant:

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1. Repeatable. Unlike the so-called amateur footage of 9-11, which was a one-off event in history that we can’t repeat ourselves since the event has past forever.
2. Accessible. Sending a camera up to 30 to 44km is something which anyone can do for under $100. This guy’s launch cost $325. Most people can afford that.
3. Variedly sourced. The amateurs must come from all walks of life and not all be connected to one family (think Sandy Hook hoax) or all work for the big media companies (think 9-11) or be involved with any one organization.
4. Numerous. There must be more than a handful of videos or photographs. Obviously, the more there are, the better.

I know this isn't Flat Earth, but it is in intrest of both Globers abd flat Earthers to debunk se foe, concave Earth. Maybe we will work together