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Such a questionnaire has been organized to understand what your misunderstanding is which pushes you to believe such nonsense. we believe you will answer the question honestly, and fairly. make sure that the option you pick represents best your condition.

The majority of scientists say this. so many people can't be lying or making mistakes. is it possible?
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The sphere world theory is sexy,  the flat earth is not sexy.
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I myself went to space with a rocket, I saw that the world was round.
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A Poll: Why do you believe the earth is a ball?

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Re: A Poll: Why do you believe the earth is a ball?
« Reply #30 on: May 15, 2020, 03:06:21 PM »
Suggestion of Smoke machine police has been removed due to can not explain the reason his offer. People vote it can change their vote to a logical one.

Lol! Well, in hindsight, that option was poorly worded.  :-\

A better option could be, "I concluded the Earth is a sphere as a result of a number of observations I made of the horizon, sun, and moon, which left no other logical possibility".

This would allow the anti-flat earthers to prove their ability to either think for themselves or plagiarize others observations. This is more an integrity test. (Rab, I'm looking at you)  C:-)

Or go with your newer option, wise...
For the overall shape of Earth to be flat, requires billions of people and billions of pieces of information about Earth to be wrong. Do the maths.

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Re: A Poll: Why do you believe the earth is a ball?
« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2020, 03:16:41 PM »
A new suggestion added instead of suggestion made by SMP:

"For reasons that can not prove the world is round but I believe it proves it."
So now you have no option for a person that honestly believes that there is far more than adequate evidence that the Earth must be a Globe.

Just look at these current options!
What can a person choose if there are certain that the Earth is a Globe and that there is plenty of evidence to support that?


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Re: A Poll: Why do you believe the earth is a ball?
« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2020, 03:34:39 PM »
I'm curious who the three (3) ex or current astronauts on the forum are, as indicated by the poll. They really need to provide some proof of their credentials, or that option being an option, becomes questionable.   C:-)

Failing being accredited astronauts, they need to prove their ability to etheric project, which theoretically in Eastern and mystic studies, could also provide one with a view of the earth from a great enough distance away to discern overall shape. Naturally, we, the forum would put such a claim through a rigorous testing process.  C:-)

Rab, it seems your knickers are in a knot again.  :-[
« Last Edit: May 15, 2020, 03:36:28 PM by Smoke machine police »
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Re: A Poll: Why do you believe the earth is a ball?
« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2020, 03:39:53 PM »
It is ludicrous but a disturbing pattern. Globularists are so caught up in trying to say "you're wrong" that they will even try and lie about their occupations. We seem to have more astronauts visit this site than any other place on the web  ::)
I saw a slight haze in the hotel bathroom this morning after I took a shower, have I discovered a new planet?

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Re: A Poll: Why do you believe the earth is a ball?
« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2020, 04:10:24 PM »
Suggestion of Smoke machine police has been removed due to can not explain the reason his offer. People vote it can change their vote to a logical one.
Lol! Well, in hindsight, that option was poorly worded.  :-\
A better option could be, "I concluded the Earth is a sphere as a result of a number of observations I made of the horizon, sun, and moon, which left no other logical possibility".
This would allow the anti-flat earthers to prove their ability to either think for themselves or plagiarize others observations. This is more an integrity test. (Rab, I'm looking at you)  C:-)
Or go with your newer option, wise...
There is always an opposite argument for all arguments claim being a proof. Hence, observations can not be proof. This proposal failed to pass the test of sincerity, as it was impossible to prove it.

That I wrote makes a little more sense than this one. You think this observation is proof, but there are counter arguments such as perspective, refraction of light, high waves, and poor binoculars. Also, this is not valid in stagnant lakes. In stagnant lakes, tens of miles away can be easily watched. oh, there is also the opposite of this argument. these are not evidence alone, but can also be considered as evidence of the flat world.

in other words, you cannot claim that an argument that is can be a proof of the flat world causes you to believe in the sphere world. If you do, this is not true.
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Re: A Poll: Why do you believe the earth is a ball?
« Reply #35 on: May 15, 2020, 04:11:37 PM »
It is ludicrous but a disturbing pattern. Globularists are so caught up in trying to say "you're wrong" that they will even try and lie about their occupations. We seem to have more astronauts visit this site than any other place on the web  ::)
Please, it is astroNOT  ;D
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Re: A Poll: Why do you believe the earth is a ball?
« Reply #36 on: May 15, 2020, 04:20:59 PM »
Rab, it seems your knickers are in a knot again.  :-[
They might get unknotted if Wise made an honest poll - but I've yet to see one.

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Re: A Poll: Why do you believe the earth is a ball?
« Reply #37 on: May 15, 2020, 09:41:06 PM »
Observations are not proofs, for sure, they are objective but the observer's interpretation is subjective. Thus, what the observer believes they prove, is dependent on deeper held beliefs.

So, you are correct and fully justified to adjust the poll to reflect only these deeper beliefs, wise.  C:-)

But the poll has been abused. Three (3) members have declared they have travelled to space.

Naturally, they remain suspiciously silent and anonymous. Rabinoz? Jack Black? My smoke machine clears away the smoke hiding the truth, and who do we find cowering.....

As such, these votes can only be deemed to be dishonest votes. Not astronauts, but astronots or astralnauts - astral travellers, who have difficulty separating their journeys in the dream world (the astral plane) with their journeys in the real world.

If the very existence of outer space is in any way questionable, then the travelled to outer space option ought to be reviewed.
« Last Edit: May 15, 2020, 10:13:16 PM by Smoke machine police »
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Re: A Poll: Why do you believe the earth is a ball?
« Reply #38 on: May 15, 2020, 10:32:16 PM »
But the poll has been abused. Three (3) members have declared they have travelled to space.

Naturally, they remain suspiciously silent and anonymous. Rabinoz? Jack Black? My smoke machine clears away the smoke hiding the truth, and who do we find cowering.....
I voted but was not happy having to choose one those silly answers.
But I, I've never been to space so didn't vote for that one.

What does wise expect?
He makes a poll that most people can't answer honestly and you bitch about a couple of possibly dishonest votes.

Your smoke machine just tries to hide the facts behind a smokescreen of obfuscation.

Why aren't all of wise's "polls" moved to CN?

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Re: A Poll: Why do you believe the earth is a ball?
« Reply #39 on: May 16, 2020, 12:24:25 AM »
It is ludicrous but a disturbing pattern. Globularists are so caught up in trying to say "you're wrong" that they will even try and lie about their occupations. We seem to have more astronauts visit this site than any other place on the web  ::)

They claiming that they are astronauts is joke, just like this poll

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Re: A Poll: Why do you believe the earth is a ball?
« Reply #40 on: May 16, 2020, 12:57:45 AM »
Observations are not proofs, for sure, they are objective but the observer's interpretation is subjective. Thus, what the observer believes they prove, is dependent on deeper held beliefs.

So, you are correct and fully justified to adjust the poll to reflect only these deeper beliefs, wise.  C:-)

But the poll has been abused. Three (3) members have declared they have travelled to space.

Naturally, they remain suspiciously silent and anonymous. Rabinoz? Jack Black? My smoke machine clears away the smoke hiding the truth, and who do we find cowering.....

As such, these votes can only be deemed to be dishonest votes. Not astronauts, but astronots or astralnauts - astral travellers, who have difficulty separating their journeys in the dream world (the astral plane) with their journeys in the real world.

If the very existence of outer space is in any way questionable, then the travelled to outer space option ought to be reviewed.

This option has been added to prove how far the ball lovers can go to convince themselves of the lies they say to prove their beliefs. that is, how many astronauts there can be, and three of which have become members. Maybe it really is because they may see this society as the biggest threat to their existence and their earnings by lying.

I still consider the first option. You can compare this option with the example of sailor, which claims to be able to travel from Australia to Chile, and then had persuaded himself his own lie, he expected it takes just a couple of weeks , but he had disappeared on the way while it lasts for months.

There is only one option left: these people are given them drugs and persuasive drugs without noticing. and these drugs are so effective that they make them believe in the lies they know, or even their own lies.
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Re: A Poll: Why do you believe the earth is a ball?
« Reply #41 on: May 16, 2020, 01:13:07 AM »
There is only one option left: these people are given them drugs and persuasive drugs without noticing. and these drugs are so effective that they make them believe in the lies they know, or even their own lies.
You and your silly polls are just jokes!

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Re: A Poll: Why do you believe the earth is a ball?
« Reply #42 on: May 16, 2020, 05:07:57 AM »
Naturally, they remain suspiciously silent and anonymous. Rabinoz? Jack Black?
I have no interest in voting in any of the dishonest charades Wise calls polls.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a FEer doing it to pretend REers are dishonest. But who knows.

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Re: A Poll: Why do you believe the earth is a ball?
« Reply #43 on: May 16, 2020, 07:24:03 AM »
Alpha2Omega, observations of the stars are not observations of the Earth. Likewise, observations of the sun are not observations of the Earth. They are observations from the Earth, thus invalid as examples of the chosen option.

Because astronomical observations are observations from the earth, the shape of the earth is absolutely a factor in how the stars appear to move relative to the earth, which depends on its shape.

For instance, having the sun high in the sky at one location, on the horizon in another, and below the horizon in yet a third, all at the same time is easily explained by the earth being a globe, but is difficult, if possible at all, to explain if it is flat.

For another example, if you measure the elevation angle of the celestial pole (the point that stars appear to revolve around through the night (in the northern hemisphere, Polaris is a useful proxy for the celestial pole for many purposes since it it close to the actual location of the pole), then travel 60 nautical miles toward the pole and measure its elevation angle again, you will find that it has increased by 1°. Continue traveling toward the pole and the elevation angle changes by 1° for every 60 nautical miles until it reaches 90° at the geographic pole. This, again, is very easy to explain with a spherical earth. If the earth were flat, the change in angle would not remain constant; it would change very slowly near the equator and increase dramatically as you approached the point on the surface directly below the celestial pole. In fact, if the earth were flat, the poles would not be on the horizon at the equator, as they actually are, unless light behaves in ways that are not easily explained and have not been observed in other situations.

I stand by my statement. I can see why you might want to simply dismiss all of these observations, because they are contrary to the flat earth model, but you cannot dismiss them without a rational reason, and you have none.

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This leaves only your remaining horizon examples. A distinct line, as in a distinct, straight, flat, line, is also a flat earth example. So, invalid. Nice try!

What would the horizon look like on a flat earth? Examples proposed here often rely on atmospheric extinction (i.e. absorption and scattering of light as it passes through air) to limit how far we can see, and explain why you can't see, for instance, the lights of London from New York. This, however, would not produce the sharp horizon line we see on clear days at the seashore, the surface would just gradually fade in the distance. That's not what we see. Again, this is evidence for a spherical world.

If you want to suppose the horizon is the edge of the disc of the earth, then, if you're standing on a beach, it should be possible to walk along the shore from where you're standing the relatively short distance to the "edge" and peer over. Of course, if you try to do that, you will find that you're still standing at the center of your disc. If you try to get to the "new" edge, you'll be disappointed again to see that you're still right in the center. That is exactly what would be expected if you're on the surface of a large sphere, but not what you'd expect if you're on a large flat plane unless something is limiting the distance you can see and at the same time creating the illusion of a sharp horizon.

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Your two remaining horizon examples are worthy of discussion, though, as is your example 4, which is also about the horizon.

Horizon, horizon, horizon.

I can understand why this bothers you. Tough!

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When you go to night clubs, do you do the horizontal tango?

What?

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But, are you absolutely certain these horizon examples aren't flat earth savvy?

Yes.

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If you go lay down in the middle of an Olympic sized ice skating rink, and put your eyes as close to the surface, and look around - there's your horizon across a flat surface. (Just don't put your globe licking forked tongue on the ice)

Are you absolutely sure? Have you tried this?

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So, your remaining examples are also looking.......you guessed it......invalid

Sorry, your reasons are not sufficient to reach that conclusion.
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Re: A Poll: Why do you believe the earth is a ball?
« Reply #44 on: May 16, 2020, 07:53:43 AM »

I voted but was not happy having to choose one those silly answers.


You actually didn't have to vote in the poll at all. This was obviously meant to be funny, but you and JackBlack decided to get upset about it.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: A Poll: Why do you believe the earth is a ball?
« Reply #45 on: May 16, 2020, 10:10:36 AM »

I voted but was not happy having to choose one those silly answers.


You actually didn't have to vote in the poll at all. This was obviously meant to be funny, but you and JackBlack decided to get upset about it.

If this wasn't a serious poll, why wasn't it moved to CN?
Rabinoz RIP

That would put you in the same category as pedophile perverts like John Davis, NSS, robots like Stash, Shifter, and victimized kids like Alexey.

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Re: A Poll: Why do you believe the earth is a ball?
« Reply #46 on: May 16, 2020, 11:01:38 AM »

I voted but was not happy having to choose one those silly answers.


You actually didn't have to vote in the poll at all. This was obviously meant to be funny, but you and JackBlack decided to get upset about it.
The poll is not for fun but it is funny to learn rab has not vote it. because, we know, he is believing the earth is flat. He is just trolling when defending the ball earth, because he is gaining money for it.
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Re: A Poll: Why do you believe the earth is a ball?
« Reply #47 on: May 16, 2020, 11:09:22 AM »

I voted but was not happy having to choose one those silly answers.


You actually didn't have to vote in the poll at all. This was obviously meant to be funny, but you and JackBlack decided to get upset about it.

If this wasn't a serious poll, why wasn't it moved to CN?

Why do you think only angry globularists are allowed to have some fun on the FES forums?
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: A Poll: Why do you believe the earth is a ball?
« Reply #48 on: May 16, 2020, 11:09:50 AM »

I voted but was not happy having to choose one those silly answers.


You actually didn't have to vote in the poll at all. This was obviously meant to be funny, but you and JackBlack decided to get upset about it.
The poll is not for fun but it is funny to learn rab has not vote it. because, we know, he is believing the earth is flat. He is just trolling when defending the ball earth, because he is gaining money for it.

Or maybie he didn't want to vote on your offensive poll

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Re: A Poll: Why do you believe the earth is a ball?
« Reply #49 on: May 16, 2020, 12:07:50 PM »
What kind of nonsense? Is everything really so sad for flat earthlings?
The earth believes, because magic exists!

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Re: A Poll: Why do you believe the earth is a ball?
« Reply #50 on: May 16, 2020, 02:02:24 PM »

I voted but was not happy having to choose one those silly answers.


You actually didn't have to vote in the poll at all. This was obviously meant to be funny, but you and JackBlack decided to get upset about it.

If this wasn't a serious poll, why wasn't it moved to CN?

Why do you think only angry globularists are allowed to have some fun on the FES forums?
Let me fix that, "Why do you think only amused globularists are allowed to have some fun on the FES forums?"

If it was just for "some fun on the FES forums"  why wasn't it posted in Complete Nonsense?

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Re: A Poll: Why do you believe the earth is a ball?
« Reply #51 on: May 16, 2020, 03:07:18 PM »
I'm offended at the mere suggestion wise's poll is not serious. Wise is exploring the internal programming of all forum members on a flat earth forum. This poll should be mandatory for all members!  O0

What deep dark ingrained issues and complexes could cause a ball lover to fixate on correcting flat earth believers day in and day out, for example?

Look what the poll has revealed about Rabinoz and Jack Black? ** Not a joke. Disturbing.  :o (You boys might want to bring this episode up with your psychologists this week)   C:-)

Alpha2Omega, did you miss the part where wise said observations can be explained by both sides? Every single observation with your globe earth explanation has it's corresponding flat earth explanation. I see you're keen to win a pissing contest, but you're pissing in the lion's den, and the lion can jump unexpectedly high with an appetite for cheerios.  :o

Rab, why are you bitching about me bitching about a couple of dishonest answers? My bitching is always feigned but your bitching is always so deadly serious.

Wise, the poll is a resounding success!  O0

For the overall shape of Earth to be flat, requires billions of people and billions of pieces of information about Earth to be wrong. Do the maths.

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Re: A Poll: Why do you believe the earth is a ball?
« Reply #52 on: May 16, 2020, 05:13:25 PM »
I'm offended at the mere suggestion wise's poll is not serious.
Who cares if you're offended :o?

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Re: A Poll: Why do you believe the earth is a ball?
« Reply #53 on: May 16, 2020, 09:45:02 PM »
Lol!  Rab, I'm not sure I like your Aussie tone.  Throw another shrimp on the barbie, mate! (That's the barbeque - not your blow up toy :D)

Are you asking for names of who cares that I'm offended, or are you making an aggressive statement? It's a fair question, as your literalism often trumps your ambiguity at times, and makes it confusing.  :o

Rab, have you finally succumbed and voted in this poll yet? Your vote in this matter is important to us all!  C:-)
For the overall shape of Earth to be flat, requires billions of people and billions of pieces of information about Earth to be wrong. Do the maths.

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Re: A Poll: Why do you believe the earth is a ball?
« Reply #54 on: May 16, 2020, 10:22:52 PM »
We all know where the aussies here hail from.
f you can't argue both both sides, you you unzderstand neither

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Re: A Poll: Why do you believe the earth is a ball?
« Reply #55 on: May 16, 2020, 10:31:33 PM »
We all know where the aussies here hail from.
Australia, possibly?

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Re: A Poll: Why do you believe the earth is a ball?
« Reply #56 on: May 18, 2020, 11:15:17 PM »
I don't BELIEVE.
The Earth has been measured many times and I KNOW it is almost spherical.
People can measure it on their own.
There are cheap sextants on eBay.
There are geodesists that you can ask to show you.
And there are other things, like measuring the horizon dip at known altitudes and stuff like that.

You don't need belief when you have data and facts.
I don't have to fight about anything.
These things are not about me.
When one points facts out, they speak for themselves.
The main goal in all that is simplicity.

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Re: A Poll: Why do you believe the earth is a ball?
« Reply #57 on: May 19, 2020, 12:43:49 AM »
You don't believe hey, Macarios? You 'know' first-hand, huh? Lol  ;D

What if there were a percentage of people who keep their world small - so close and personal, to the point where the overall shape of the entire world is not even a consideration or care factor???

Maybe it is not in the requirement or hardwiring for those people to be bothered with the big picture. Have you ever thought of that? By not being concerned with that, perhaps those people can better focus on matters closer to home, and be extremely productive members of society.   C:-)

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Re: A Poll: Why do you believe the earth is a ball?
« Reply #58 on: May 19, 2020, 12:55:06 AM »
I don't BELIEVE.
Nice to heard this. I always say you will become a FE'r a day.
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Re: A Poll: Why do you believe the earth is a ball?
« Reply #59 on: May 19, 2020, 02:06:11 AM »
I don't BELIEVE.
The Earth has been measured many times and I KNOW it is almost spherical.
Knowledge is a subset of belief.
If you don't believe, you cannot know.