You are making a fool of yourself by opening these threads, where again, you are unable to provide explanations.

Here is the drivel you write:

*In the LISA geometry, NOT in the GPS geometry!*For LISA, the ORBITAL SAGNAC is 30 times greater than the ROTATIONAL SAGNAC, even because of the special geometry (the angle of the interferometer).

FOR THE GPS SATELLITES, THE ORBITAL SAGNAC IS 60 TIMES GREATER THAN THE ROTATIONAL SAGNAC.

Both are satellites which use interferometers, thus both the orbital Sagnac and the rotational Sagnac must be recorded.

*No, irrespective doesn't because you are falsely comparing the LISA array orbiting the Sun with the GPS satellites orbiting the Earth.*A total embarrassment for you.

BOTH LISA AND GPS ARE ORBITING SATELLITES. LISA IS ORBITING THE EARTH, BOTH ARE ORBITING THE SUN. GPS SATELLITES ARE ORBITING THE EARTH, BOTH ARE ORBITING THE SUN, ACCORIDING TO HELIOCENTRICAL THEORY.

Here are you are, DENYING REALITY ON A MASSIVE SCALE, YOU WHICH MEANS YOU HAVE PSYCHIATRIC PROBLEMS.

*So there is a very slight orbital Sagnac effect and a very slight nett effect the change of solar (and lunar) but both are so far negligible.*This is how rabinoz lives his life: a constant stream of lies.

He lies to himself each and every instant.

Let's see just how negligible it is.

Algebraic approach to time-delay data analysis: orbiting case

K Rajesh Nayak and J-Y Vinet

https://www.cosmos.esa.int/documents/946106/1027345/TDI_FOR_.PDF/2bb32fba-1b8a-438d-9e95-bc40c32debbeThis is an IOP article, published by the prestigious journal Classic and Quantum Gravity:

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0264-9381/22/10/040/metaIn this work, we estimate the effects due to the Sagnac phase by taking the realistic model for LISA orbital motion.

This work is organized as follows: in section 2, we make an estimate of Sagnac phase

for individual laser beams of LISA by taking realistic orbital motion. Here we show that, in general, the residual laser noise because of Sagnac phase is much larger than earlier estimates.

For the LISA geometry, R⊙/L is of the order 30 and the orbital contribution to the Sagnac phase is larger by this factor.

The computations carried out by Dr. R.K. Nayak (over ten papers published on the subject) and Dr. J.Y. Vinet (Member of the LISA International Science Team), and published by prestigious scientific journals and by ESA, show that the orbital Sagnac is 30 times greater than the rotational Sagnac for LISA.

https://web.archive.org/web/20161019095630/http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/ptti/2003papers/paper34.pdfDr. Massimo Tinto, Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Principal Scientist

In the SSB frame, the differences between back-forth delay times are very much larger than has been previously recognized. The reason is in the aberration due to motion and changes of orientation in the SSB frame. With a velocity V=30 km/s, the light-transit times of light signals in opposing directions (Li, and L’i) will differ by as much as 2VL (a few thousands km).

https://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/0310017.pdfWithin this frame, which we can assume to be Solar System Barycentric (SSB), the differences between back-forth delay times that occur are in fact thousands of kilometers, very much larger than has been previously recognized by us or others. The problem is not rotation per se, but rather aberration due to motion and changes of orientation in the SSB frame.

The kinematics of the LISA orbit brings in the effects of motion at several orders of magnitude larger than any previous papers on TDI have addressed. The instantaneous rotation axis of LISA swings about the Sun at 30 km/sec, and on any leg the transit times of light signals in opposing directions can differ by as much as 1000 km.

Aberration due to LISA’s orbit about the Sun dominates its instantaneous rotation.

The formula is 2VL/c.

No orbital SAGNAC EFFECT, no rotation.

The calculations were performed by the best scientists in the world: ESA and CALTECH.

Yet, rabinoz lies to himself with this:

*So there is a very slight orbital Sagnac effect and a very slight nett effect the change of solar (and lunar) but both are so far negligible.*Dr. Massimo Tinto, CALTECH:

The kinematics of the LISA orbit brings in the effects of motion at several orders of magnitude larger than any previous papers on TDI have addressed.

In the SSB frame, the differences between back-forth delay times are very much larger than has been previously recognized.

ESA:

For the LISA geometry, R⊙/L is of the order 30 and the orbital contribution to the Sagnac phase is larger by this factor.

*This effect is covered in: Why there is no noon-midnight red shift in the GPS by Neil Ashby and Marc Weiss.*Cut the crap.

The Schwarzschild metric in the neighborhood of a spherically symmetric gravitational source is characterized by the invariant length of the differential line element:

U = GM/r is the gravitational potential

In the curved spacetime of GR, the gravitational time dilation plays a fundamental role. It predicts a gravitational slowing of the GPS clocks by the solar gravitational potential given by the equation:

[eq. (2)]

"The 24 GPS satellites move round earth in six equally spaced 12 hours period orbits, with an orbital radius of 25,560 km and their orbital plane making 55 degrees with the earth’s equator. In the case of GPS satellites, having orbital plane nearly parallel to the earth-sun axis, the total slowing of the atomic clocks, during the 6 hours closer then earth from the sun, would achieve 24 ns, which would be recovered during the 6 hours farther from the sun. The GPS clocks normally are all collectively synchronized with the master clocks on ground to within 0.1 ns (time for light to travel 3 cm) and their stability during the 12 hours period of their orbits is better than 0.5 ns. Hence, the corresponding 12 hours sinusoidal variation in the time display of the GPS clocks, predicted by GR, due to the solar field, would be two decimal orders of magnitude larger than the stability and precision of these clocks during the period of the 12 hours and thus would immediately and easily be observed.

As the gravitational potential U is a scalar, a stationary or a moving clock should display exactly the same gravitational slowing and the rate of clocks at different distances from the sun should run at considerable different rates, according to equation (2). However, the GPS clocks, moving with earth round the sun and, in their orbital motion, displacing their radial position from the sun by about 5.1 x 10^4, show no sign of the 12 hours periodic sinusoidal variation in the gravitational slowing."

On the other hand, the time dilation effect of the solar

gravitational field on the atomic clocks orbiting with

Earth round the Sun, which is predicted by GR but not

observed, is a highly precise observation. It exceeds by

orders of magnitude the experimental precision and

hence is infinitely more reliable. If the orbital motion of

Earth round the Sun suppresses the time dilation due to

the solar gravitational field and moreover does not show

the predicted relativistic time dilation due to this orbital

motion, then it seems reasonable that a clock in a satellite

orbiting round the Earth in a direct equatorial orbit or in a

jet flying round the Earth too should give no evidence of

such a relativistic time dilation. The relativistic time dilation

alleged in both these round the world Sagnac experiments

is in clear and frontal contradiction with the

absence of such a relativistic time dilation effect in the

case of the orbiting Earth round the Sun.

However, upon further reflection, it became

apparent that one significant complication with respect to

the two frames was not dealt with. Specifically, GPS was

compared in the two frames assuming that the earth’s

orbital velocity was constant.

What is the significance of this interim conclusion? We

have shown that, assuming the speed of light is isotropic

in the sun’s frame, the velocity of clocks on the spinning

earth will cause them to be biased by just the amount

needed to make it appear as if the speed of light is

actually isotropic on the earth.

However, the true believer in

SRT can argue that this is simply a coincidence and that it

is still the magic of SRT which automatically causes the

speed of light to be isotropic on the earth. There is no way

to refute his argument in this simplified case where we

have assumed that the direction of the orbital velocity

vector is constant. But, when the change in the orbital

velocity direction is allowed, we get an astonishing result.

By contrast, if SRT/GRT is

correct, we would expect that the clocks on earth and in

the GPS system would require an adjustment for the

effect of the sun’s differential gravitational potential.

Since clocks on earth and in the GPS system function

properly by ignoring the effect of the sun’s gravitational

potential, we must conclude that SRT/GRT is wrong.

The differential effect of the sun’s gravitational potential should cause the clocks farther from the sun to run faster than clocks closer to the sun.

THIS EFFECT IS TOTALLY MISSING FROM THE GPS CLOCKS.

Ronald Hatch explains the glaring error committed by Ashby in using the equivalence principle to deal with the solar gravitational potential:

It has been claimed by Ashby [20] that the reason the

effect of the sun’s differential gravitational potential on

clocks near the earth can be ignored is due to the

equivalence principle, i.e. that test bodies move along

straight lines in a local Lorentz frame. However,

according to Friedman [21] the local Lorentz frame is of

only infinitesimal extent and hardly applies to the earth

and its vicinity. Ashby’s claim is equivalent to the claim

found elsewhere [22] that the local frame rotates with the

orbit and that the sun’s differential gravitational potential

is canceled by “centripetal acceleration,” i.e. by the

differential velocity with respect to the sun. In other

words, it is claimed that the inertial frame indeed rotates

once per year. However, the GPS clocks clearly show

this argument is not valid. The orientation of the GPS

orbital planes does not rotate to maintain the same angle

with respect to the sun, so there is no differential velocity

orthogonal to the orbital plane. And there can be no

differential velocity within the orbital plane or else

Kepler’s laws would be violated. Thus, GPS clocks do not

suffer centripetal acceleration. Furthermore, if this

argument were correct, the differential gravitational

potential would be canceled in the sun’s frame as well.

The JPL reference document [7] and the Hill pulsar

document [19] clearly show that such a cancellation does

not occur.

The claim made by Ashby is false.

2. Neil Ashby (Nov. 1993) "Relativity and GPS," GPS World, pp 42-48

http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Material/Ronald_Hatch/Hatch-Relativity_and_GPS-II_1995.pdf (pg 3-5)

Ashby [2] calls upon the equivalence principle and uses an accelerating elevator to show that one would expect the wavelengths and frequency of photons to increase as they fall in a gravitational field. But this also violates the conservation of cycles and cannot be a valid explanation for the observed change in frequency.

Do electromagnetic waves pick up energy as they fall in a gravitational field? If it does, why isn't the observed increase in frequency doubled and the conservation of cycles violated?

Now we can see that photons falling in a gravitational field do not increase in energy.

Even though they do decrease in wavelength the frequency does not change. The

apparent change in frequency is caused by the change in frequency of the local unit of

comparison. Thus, claiming as Ashby did that the frequency of the GPS signals increase

as they fall is incorrect. It would violate the conservation of cycles. The apparent

gravitational increase in energy is not real. It appears to increase only because the

standard of comparison (the energy radiated by a similar atom at a decreased

gravitational potential) is decreased. The higher frequency of the GPS clock at its greater

gravitational potential is in fact the source of the increased frequency and decreased

wavelength of the received signal.

The most lethal experimental observation to GR is the absence

of the gravitational slowing of the GPS clocks, that is

predicted by GR, but not observed. According to GR, the

gravitational time dilation, due to a gravitational potential U

is given by T = T0(1 − 2U/c2

)

−1/2

, where T0 is the time

under U = 0. To first order, the predicted slowing of the

clocks is proportional to U/c2

. Hence, the effect of the solar

gravitational potential on the GPS clocks, having orbital

plane closely parallel to the earth-sun axis, during the 6 hours

closer from the sun, should cause a total delay of more than

24ns, which would be recovered during the 6 hours farther

from the sun. The corresponding 12 hours periodic sinusoidal

variation in the time display of the GPS clocks would

be more than two orders of magnitude larger than the stability

and precision of these clocks within this period. However,

observations show no sign of such variation.[10, 11] GR cannot

explain this absence because the gravitational potential is

a scalar.

http://www.hrpub.org/download/20150510/UJPA2-18403649.pdfMoreover, Ashby is using calculations based on the false TGR, that is why he reaches the wrong conclusions.

This paper discusses the conceptual basis, founded on special and general relativity, for navigation using GPS.

If TGR is false, his calculations are useless.

Ashby's use the of the equivalence principle leads to the wrong conclusions.

His free fall explanation also fails the test of scientific scrutiny.

Some people claim that the absence of the gravitational

time dilation on the GPS clocks is due to cancellation by special

relativistic time dilation. However, a simple calculation

shows that special relativistic effects, due to the variation of

velocity of the GPS satellites within the solar non-rotating

reference, would be three orders of magnitude larger than

those, due to the solar gravitational potential would and too

are not observed. Others [19] claim that the absence is because

the GPS satellites together with earth are free falling in

the solar gravitational field. However, within this view, these

same GPS satellites are also free falling in the earth’s gravitational

field and notwithstanding show clearly the slowing

by the earth's gravitational field of ´ (8/c)^2.

The midnight problem is UNSOLVED, so Ashby cannot claim that the effects are negligible.

What Ashby is claiming is that the solar gravitational potential effect are so small they can be neglected.

However, this poses a huge problem.

The Ruderfer experiment proved the first NULL result in ether theory.

Analysis of the spinning Mossbauer experiments is a natural step toward analysis of the

slightly more complex and much larger-scale Global Positioning System (GPS). This

system constitutes a large scale near-equivalent to the spinning Mossbauer experiments.

The transit time between the satellite and ground-based receivers is routinely measured.

In addition, the atomic clocks on the satellite are carefully monitored; and high precision

corrections are provided as part of the information transmitted from the satellites.

Because the satellites and the receivers rotate at different rates (unlike the Mossbauer

experiments), a correction for the motion of the receiver during the transit time is

required. This correction is generally referred to as a Sagnac correction, since it adjusts

for anisotropy of the speed of light as far as the receiver is concerned. Why is there no

requirement for a Sagnac correction due to the earth’s orbital motion? Like the transit

time in the spinning Mossbauer experiments, any such effect would be completely

canceled by the orbital-velocity effect on the satellite clocks.

Specifically, there is substantial independent experimental evidence that clock speed always affects the clock frequency and, as the GPS system shows, the spin velocity of the earth clearly affects the clock rate. This being the case, the null result of the rotating Mössbauer experiments actually implies that an ether drift must exist or else the clock effect would not be canceled and a null result would not be present.

The order of the orbital Sagnac is huge, some 60 times larger than the rotational Sagnac effect.

This has to be canceled by the orbital-velocity effect, which has to be just as large.

Since they do not show up on the GPS clocks, it means Ashby's argument is completely false.

*And time-dilation also affects the clock rate - did you forget that?*Read the above paragraphs again. STR dilation HAS ALREADY been dealt with.

You are lying not only to yourself, but to all of the readers.

You are unable to face reality: your cognitive dissonance precludes you from understanding what is going on.