Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?

  • 1148 Replies
  • 75974 Views
*

Heiwa

  • 10283
  • I have been around a long time.
Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1110 on: June 17, 2021, 10:09:42 AM »
There is a little difference between vaccine and vaxx.
There is no difference between a vaccine and a vax.  Vax is simply short for vaccine.

BTW, all vaccines are man made and usually patented.
LOL.

*

Alexei

  • Tide Pod Challenger
  • 1905
  • PINK SEASON
Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1111 on: June 17, 2021, 10:26:55 AM »
There is a little difference between vaccine and vaxx.
There is no difference between a vaccine and a vax.  Vax is simply short for vaccine.

BTW, all vaccines are man made and usually patented.
LOL.
There is no point telling Heiwa that.
Heiwa is anti vaxxer so nothing convince him.
Member of the BOTD
https://bit.ly/32rJ6Vg

*

Heiwa

  • 10283
  • I have been around a long time.
Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1112 on: June 17, 2021, 10:41:47 AM »
There is a little difference between vaccine and vaxx.
There is no difference between a vaccine and a vax.  Vax is simply short for vaccine.

BTW, all vaccines are man made and usually patented.
LOL.
There is no point telling Heiwa that.
Heiwa is anti vaxxer so nothing convince him.
are
Only difference is that vaccines are made of stuff found in nature since >100 years.
Vaxx is man-made poison by criminals.
Happens all the time. http://heiwaco.com

Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1113 on: June 17, 2021, 10:45:56 AM »
There is a little difference between vaccine and vaxx.
There is no difference between a vaccine and a vax.  Vax is simply short for vaccine.

BTW, all vaccines are man made and usually patented.
LOL.
There is no point telling Heiwa that.
Heiwa is anti vaxxer so nothing convince him.
are
Only difference is that vaccines are made of stuff found in nature since >100 years.
Vaxx is man-made poison by criminals.
Happens all the time. http://heiwaco.com

Why would they make some fake and some genuine?
That's even sillier than the idea that they'd be trying to poison the people that listen to them. The anti-vax movement has been a devastatingly effective way of killing off the opposition. There are criminals, lies and manipulations here, but it's all based around encouraging people to think that denying vaccines is going against their wishes as opposed to playing into their hands. All the people who know the truth about the moon landing and about space travel and such, are all the people who're not going to be vaccinated.

You're doing their work for them. If you have any care about what you state on your website, you need to rethink your position.

*

Alexei

  • Tide Pod Challenger
  • 1905
  • PINK SEASON
Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1114 on: June 17, 2021, 10:46:54 AM »
There is a little difference between vaccine and vaxx.
There is no difference between a vaccine and a vax.  Vax is simply short for vaccine.

BTW, all vaccines are man made and usually patented.
LOL.
There is no point telling Heiwa that.
Heiwa is anti vaxxer so nothing convince him.
are
Only difference is that vaccines are made of stuff found in nature since >100 years.
Vaxx is man-made poison by criminals.
Happens all the time. http://heiwaco.com
I would go in lab to try and prove that heiwa is wrong but the coat men will be mad for i am squatting on the table.
Member of the BOTD
https://bit.ly/32rJ6Vg

Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1115 on: June 17, 2021, 11:06:36 AM »

Why would they make some fake and some genuine?
That's even sillier than the idea that they'd be trying to poison the people that listen to them. The anti-vax movement has been a devastatingly effective way of killing off the opposition. There are criminals, lies and manipulations here, but it's all based around encouraging people to think that denying vaccines is going against their wishes as opposed to playing into their hands. All the people who know the truth about the moon landing and about space travel and such, are all the people who're not going to be vaccinated.

You're doing their work for them. If you have any care about what you state on your website, you need to rethink your position.

So the antivax conspiracy theory is itself a conspiracy perpetrated by them?

*

JJA

  • 6620
  • Math is math!
Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1116 on: June 17, 2021, 11:15:56 AM »
Vaxx is man-made poison by criminals.
Happens all the time. <SPAM REMOVED>

Spam-bot detected.

One day we are going to get a truly deadly pandemic, and people like Hewia and Bishop and other anti-vaxxers are going to be why we won't be able to control it even if we get an vaccine out immediately.  It makes me sad that no matter how advanced humanity managed to get, we will always be held back by insane and selfish people.

*

Masalang the Torpedo

  • EXTRA SPICY MODE
  • 23076
Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1117 on: June 17, 2021, 11:19:46 AM »

Why would they make some fake and some genuine?
That's even sillier than the idea that they'd be trying to poison the people that listen to them. The anti-vax movement has been a devastatingly effective way of killing off the opposition. There are criminals, lies and manipulations here, but it's all based around encouraging people to think that denying vaccines is going against their wishes as opposed to playing into their hands. All the people who know the truth about the moon landing and about space travel and such, are all the people who're not going to be vaccinated.

You're doing their work for them. If you have any care about what you state on your website, you need to rethink your position.

So the antivax conspiracy theory is itself a conspiracy perpetrated by them?

Most antivaxxers objectively know that vaccines do not cause autism but are happy to perpetuate the myth as it gives them a sense of belonging. They know that when people go and eat fast food, sugary treats and wash it down with a soda, that that does far more harm to the body than a miniscule amount of whatever they fear in a vaccine. Yet they perpetuate that vaccines are dangerous and evil

I bet many of these people spare no thought to the rubbish they may put in their bodies from their diet. Yet a vaccine? That crosses a line!

Of course they know their claims are shit. Just like Heiwa knows. He just gets a rise from sounding like a total dumbarse and embarrassing himself

Quote from: sokarul
what website did you use to buy your wife? Did you choose Chinese over Russian because she can't open her eyes to see you?

What animal relates to your wife?

Know your place

*

Heiwa

  • 10283
  • I have been around a long time.
Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1118 on: June 18, 2021, 02:17:34 AM »

Why would they make some fake and some genuine?
That's even sillier than the idea that they'd be trying to poison the people that listen to them. The anti-vax movement has been a devastatingly effective way of killing off the opposition. There are criminals, lies and manipulations here, but it's all based around encouraging people to think that denying vaccines is going against their wishes as opposed to playing into their hands. All the people who know the truth about the moon landing and about space travel and such, are all the people who're not going to be vaccinated.

You're doing their work for them. If you have any care about what you state on your website, you need to rethink your position.

So the antivax conspiracy theory is itself a conspiracy perpetrated by them?

Most antivaxxers objectively know that vaccines do not cause autism but are happy to perpetuate the myth as it gives them a sense of belonging. They know that when people go and eat fast food, sugary treats and wash it down with a soda, that that does far more harm to the body than a miniscule amount of whatever they fear in a vaccine. Yet they perpetuate that vaccines are dangerous and evil

I bet many of these people spare no thought to the rubbish they may put in their bodies from their diet. Yet a vaccine? That crosses a line!

Of course they know their claims are shit. Just like Heiwa knows. He just gets a rise from sounding like a total dumbarse and embarrassing himself
But COVID-vaxx is not a real vaccine!! COVID-vaxx is just a secret chemical mix that may kill you. Just check the producers and their medical background, if any. They are all criminals, IMHO.

*

Masalang the Torpedo

  • EXTRA SPICY MODE
  • 23076
Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1119 on: June 18, 2021, 04:40:29 AM »

Why would they make some fake and some genuine?
That's even sillier than the idea that they'd be trying to poison the people that listen to them. The anti-vax movement has been a devastatingly effective way of killing off the opposition. There are criminals, lies and manipulations here, but it's all based around encouraging people to think that denying vaccines is going against their wishes as opposed to playing into their hands. All the people who know the truth about the moon landing and about space travel and such, are all the people who're not going to be vaccinated.

You're doing their work for them. If you have any care about what you state on your website, you need to rethink your position.

So the antivax conspiracy theory is itself a conspiracy perpetrated by them?

Most antivaxxers objectively know that vaccines do not cause autism but are happy to perpetuate the myth as it gives them a sense of belonging. They know that when people go and eat fast food, sugary treats and wash it down with a soda, that that does far more harm to the body than a miniscule amount of whatever they fear in a vaccine. Yet they perpetuate that vaccines are dangerous and evil

I bet many of these people spare no thought to the rubbish they may put in their bodies from their diet. Yet a vaccine? That crosses a line!

Of course they know their claims are shit. Just like Heiwa knows. He just gets a rise from sounding like a total dumbarse and embarrassing himself
But COVID-vaxx is not a real vaccine!! COVID-vaxx is just a secret chemical mix that may kill you. Just check the producers and their medical background, if any. They are all criminals, IMHO.

No one gives a shit about your opinion. Honest or otherwise.

Quote from: sokarul
what website did you use to buy your wife? Did you choose Chinese over Russian because she can't open her eyes to see you?

What animal relates to your wife?

Know your place

Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1120 on: June 18, 2021, 05:01:45 AM »

Why would they make some fake and some genuine?
That's even sillier than the idea that they'd be trying to poison the people that listen to them. The anti-vax movement has been a devastatingly effective way of killing off the opposition. There are criminals, lies and manipulations here, but it's all based around encouraging people to think that denying vaccines is going against their wishes as opposed to playing into their hands. All the people who know the truth about the moon landing and about space travel and such, are all the people who're not going to be vaccinated.

You're doing their work for them. If you have any care about what you state on your website, you need to rethink your position.

So the antivax conspiracy theory is itself a conspiracy perpetrated by them?

It's easy to see. It would be easy for it to be argued that vaccines should be made mandatory for the sake of herd immunity, to consider the spreading of this anti-vaccine rhetoric a form of public endangerment and to be treated with the level of hostility as holocaust denial and hate speech given that it is claimed to actively take lives. This goes double for the COVID pandemic: lock down fast and hard, make mask-wearing necessary, come down hard on those that resist for endangerment... And instead someone gets more push-back for criticizing a Zack Snyder movie than they do for pushing an ideology that supposedly leads to people's deaths.
Whether the disease is real or not (for the record, it is certainly real) the claim that it is fatal, that these are the stakes, would make it easily justifiable for the governments of the world to take a much stronger stance in responding to anti-mask and anti-vax groups.

Instead, what do we get? Anti-vax movements are allowed to flourish, and politicians make a mess of the whole pandemic, delaying the lockdown, trying to keep a lot of people still going to work, incentivize going out, act against their own advice, offer no real consequences for those that spread the disease or risk doing so... While still, on the surface level, claiming to be against the pandemic while all their actions go against that.
They create the perfect environment for anti-government people and movements to distrust every bit of advice they hand out, to not wear masks and to avoid vaccinations, and in doing so to take themselves out of the picture in a fashion where the governments can just claim innocence and wash their hands of it. Meanwhile the people that did not doubt in the government and chose to listen are protected. It's not the first time, and it won't be the last.

*

Heiwa

  • 10283
  • I have been around a long time.
Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1121 on: June 18, 2021, 05:45:11 AM »

Why would they make some fake and some genuine?
That's even sillier than the idea that they'd be trying to poison the people that listen to them. The anti-vax movement has been a devastatingly effective way of killing off the opposition. There are criminals, lies and manipulations here, but it's all based around encouraging people to think that denying vaccines is going against their wishes as opposed to playing into their hands. All the people who know the truth about the moon landing and about space travel and such, are all the people who're not going to be vaccinated.

You're doing their work for them. If you have any care about what you state on your website, you need to rethink your position.

So the antivax conspiracy theory is itself a conspiracy perpetrated by them?

Most antivaxxers objectively know that vaccines do not cause autism but are happy to perpetuate the myth as it gives them a sense of belonging. They know that when people go and eat fast food, sugary treats and wash it down with a soda, that that does far more harm to the body than a miniscule amount of whatever they fear in a vaccine. Yet they perpetuate that vaccines are dangerous and evil

I bet many of these people spare no thought to the rubbish they may put in their bodies from their diet. Yet a vaccine? That crosses a line!

Of course they know their claims are shit. Just like Heiwa knows. He just gets a rise from sounding like a total dumbarse and embarrassing himself
But COVID-vaxx is not a real vaccine!! COVID-vaxx is just a secret chemical mix that may kill you. Just check the producers and their medical background, if any. They are all criminals, IMHO.

No one gives a shit about your opinion. Honest or otherwise.
But you do.

*

markjo

  • Content Nazi
  • The Elder Ones
  • 42324
Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1122 on: June 18, 2021, 06:34:05 AM »
But COVID-vaxx is not a real vaccine!!
There are many covid vaccines from many different manufacturers using various technologies, so you'll have to be more specific.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

*

Heiwa

  • 10283
  • I have been around a long time.
Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1123 on: June 18, 2021, 11:46:54 AM »
But COVID-vaxx is not a real vaccine!!
There are many covid vaccines from many different manufacturers using various technologies, so you'll have to be more specific.

All new covidiot vaxxes are just nonsense snake poison to make money. Pls provide evidence that any covid vaccine works.

*

markjo

  • Content Nazi
  • The Elder Ones
  • 42324
Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1124 on: June 18, 2021, 12:58:27 PM »
Pls provide evidence that any covid vaccine works.
The evidence is in the rate of covid cases in vaccinated vs unvaccinated areas.
States with higher vaccination rates now have markedly fewer coronavirus cases, as infections are dropping in places where most residents have been immunized and are rising in many places people have not, a Washington Post analysis has found.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

*

sandokhan

  • Flat Earth Sultan
  • Flat Earth Scientist
  • 6765
Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1125 on: September 02, 2021, 08:34:43 AM »
The answer is most definitely: Mycobacterium.

Best results of any vaccine, no side effects, BCG works against sars-cov-2:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.458273v1.full.pdf (NIH research)


*

Stash

  • 10075
  • I am car!
Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1126 on: September 02, 2021, 08:58:58 AM »
The answer is most definitely: Mycobacterium.

Most definitely? The paper you just cited here states in the introduction:

"COVID-19 is a pneumonic disease caused by the newly emerged coronavirus, severe acute respiratory
syndrome coronavirus-2 (SARS-CoV-2).
"

Why are you posting a paper that directly contradicts you?

Best results of any vaccine, no side effects, BCG works against sars-cov-2:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.458273v1.full.pdf (NIH research)

Yep, lots of research around this. Regarding the article you cited, not peer-reviewed yet, but maybe has some promise:

While intravenous administration of BCG is currently not a clinically acceptable practice, the experimental proof-of-concept that prior BCG can trigger potent protection against lethal SARS-CoV-2 challenge may be of value in the design of other strategies for COVID-19 prophylaxis that target the innate response to the virus”, explain study authors in this bioRxiv paper.

In any case, further animal studies will be needed to assess the correlates of the innate immune response, as clinical trials are now already looking at whether the BCG vaccine can actually reduce SARS-CoV-2 infection or COVID-19 symptom severity in humans.
"
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-87731-9

"Corn grows without tossing a girl down the well?"
"Oh, that makes sense." . . . . .
. . . . . "Turns out, it's the god of rain that's in charge."

*

sandokhan

  • Flat Earth Sultan
  • Flat Earth Scientist
  • 6765
Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1127 on: September 02, 2021, 09:06:53 AM »
In case you have just woken up from sleep, BCG is a vaccine against MYCOBACTERIUM TUBERCULOSIS.

How else are they going to get the paper past the peer-review? If they state from the very start that Covid-19 is caused by M. tuberculosis, nothing is going to get published. So they played it safe.

Make no mistake about it: BCG is a vaccine for M. tuberculosis, NOT for any viral disease. Why does it work so well, better than any other vaccine, by far? Because covid-19 is caused by a mycobacterium, that's why.

*

Stash

  • 10075
  • I am car!
Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1128 on: September 02, 2021, 09:23:28 AM »
In case you have just woken up from sleep, BCG is a vaccine against MYCOBACTERIUM TUBERCULOSIS.

How else are they going to get the paper past the peer-review? If they state from the very start that Covid-19 is caused by M. tuberculosis, nothing is going to get published. So they played it safe.

How do you know this? Obviously you are just speculating based upon your own narrative and have no evidence of this. There's no, we're going to lie/omit so we can sneak it past peer-review. You think peer-review is just gonna blindly look at these studies/articles and be like, "Well, at least they referred to Corona as a virus, phew. Thank goodness they didn't say it was caused by TB..." That's just asinine and small-minded.

If BCG helps/works, the studies are reviewed, validated, testing continues, great. We need all the help we can get.

Make no mistake about it: BCG is a vaccine for M. tuberculosis, NOT for any viral disease. Why does it work so well, better than any other vaccine, by far? Because covid-19 is caused by a mycobacterium, that's why.

It is for TB, but as stated, BCG stimulates the immune system in general. In turn, the immune system can potentially fight off other stuff, like viruses.

"BCG represents a live attenuated vaccine that is in wide use for a long time for the prevention of disseminated tuberculosis in infants and young children. However, its non-specific effects linked to epigenetic and metabolic reprogramming of the innate immune system are also well-known."
"Corn grows without tossing a girl down the well?"
"Oh, that makes sense." . . . . .
. . . . . "Turns out, it's the god of rain that's in charge."

*

sandokhan

  • Flat Earth Sultan
  • Flat Earth Scientist
  • 6765
Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1129 on: September 02, 2021, 09:32:16 AM »
It is for TB

Then, you lose.

Quit bullshitting your readers with your quack opinions.

BCG works specifically against M. tuberculosis, nothing else. Please report here on HOW exactly the immune system is "stimulated". You won't find any specific papers, because they know it's due to the bacteriophages contained by the vaccine.

Dr. Nigel Curtis (from Australia) has already undertaken the largest study on BCG, using thousands of volunteers from all over the world: it works very well against covid-19.

You think the paper would have been published had they started off with "We think that covid-19 is caused by M. tuberculosis"? Of course not.

It's time for you to accept defeat.

*

Masalang the Torpedo

  • EXTRA SPICY MODE
  • 23076
Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1130 on: September 02, 2021, 09:34:53 AM »
https://about.unimelb.edu.au/newsroom/news/2021/june/bcg-vaccine-trial-joins-global-race-to-better-understand-covid-19-variants

Interesting nonetheless

Quote
An Australian-led study will investigate whether it’s possible to predict who remains susceptible to SARS-CoV-2 variants after having COVID-19 or receiving a COVID-19-specific vaccine.

The study will explore the immune response to COVID-19-specific vaccines in Brazilian healthcare workers to find biomarkers that indicate whether someone will be protected from - or remains at risk of - contracting COVID-19 if exposed to a variant.

The research has received philanthropic funding from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and is a sub-study of the Murdoch Children’s Research Institute’s (MCRI) study assessing if the Bacille Calmette-Guérin (BCG) vaccine can help protect against COVID-19.

The BRACE trial is now the world’s largest study on the off-target effects of the BCG vaccine. Since the trial launched in March 2020, more than 6800 healthcare workers have enrolled across 36 sites in Australia, Brazil, the Netherlands, Spain and the UK.

BCG was originally developed 100 years ago to prevent tuberculosis. Now, the BRACE randomised controlled clinical trial is working to determine if the BCG vaccine reduces the incidence of symptomatic and severe COVID-19 in healthcare workers. It is also investigating whether BCG vaccine reduces the impact of other respiratory illnesses and allergic diseases.

Professor Nigel Curtis, Head of the Infectious Diseases Research Group at MCRI, Professor of Paediatric Infectious Diseases at the University of Melbourne and BRACE Chief Principal Investigator, said the big story of 2021 was the potential impact of SARS-CoV-2 variants.

“With the emergence of new variants - for which vaccine-induced and natural immune responses may not be as effective - there is concern that herd immunity may be undermined. If this happens, SARS-CoV-2 will continue to spread and cause disease,” he said.

“We have been lucky enough to receive this additional funding for the BRACE COVID-19-Specific vaccine sub-study (BCOS) to investigate biomarkers of protection against SARS-CoV-2 infection and reinfection induced by natural infection and COVID-specific vaccination.”

Associate Professor Julio Croda, the BRACE trial’s Brazil Principal Investigator, said 2400 healthcare workers across three trial sites in Brazil were being actively followed up and tested for COVID-19 as part of the trial.

“This subset of participants provides a unique opportunity to understand the risks and determinants of susceptibility to reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 variants, particularly the P.1 variant. This research is critical to designing effective approaches to help protect people,” Associate Professor Croda said.

With COVID-19-specific vaccines now available to healthcare workers, BCOS will also look at whether BCG vaccine improves the immune response to Pfizer, AstraZeneca and CoronaVac vaccines.

MCRI Dr Nicole Messina, the Biosample and Laboratory Lead on the BRACE trial and University of Melbourne honorary said: “We are recruiting existing BRACE trial participants in Victoria, South Australia and Brazil to assess whether those who had the BCG vaccine have a better or more prolonged immune response to their COVID-19-specific vaccine.”

Professor Kathryn North, MCRI Director, said: “It’s incredibly exciting work and demonstrates how MCRI responded to the pandemic. A deeper understanding of immune responses to COVID-19-specific vaccines will be important to the global effort to contain this pandemic.”

Participant follow-up continues every three months with questionnaires and blood collection, as well as ongoing data collection via phone calls and the trial’s custom-built smartphone app, powered by WeGuide.

The BRACE trial has received philanthropic funding from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, Sarah and Lachlan Murdoch, Minderoo Foundation, The Royal Children’s Hospital Foundation, South Australian government, NAB Foundation, The Calvert Jones Foundation, UHG Foundation, Modara Pines Charitable Foundation, Health Services Union NSW, Peter Sowerby Foundation, South Australia Ministry of Health, Epworth Health, Swiss National Science Foundation and individual donors.


Quote from: sokarul
what website did you use to buy your wife? Did you choose Chinese over Russian because she can't open her eyes to see you?

What animal relates to your wife?

Know your place

*

Masalang the Torpedo

  • EXTRA SPICY MODE
  • 23076
Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1131 on: September 02, 2021, 09:40:46 AM »
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7423587/

Quote
Strong homology between SARS-CoV-2 envelope protein and a Mycobacterium sp. antigen allows rapid diagnosis of Mycobacterial infections and may provide specific anti-SARS-CoV-2 immunity via the BCG vaccine

4. Discussion

The main findings of this study to the diagnostic pathologist are threefold: 1) immunohistochemistry is a highly effective tool to demonstrate strong homology between epitopes on two disparate proteins, in this case the SARS-CoV-2 envelope protein and the protein LytR C, which is a consensus protein unique to Mycobacteria. The antibodies used routinely in the diagnostic laboratory commonly recognize an epitope from 5 to 6 amino acids in length [12]. In this case, there was indeed a 5 amino acid sequence that was identical in each of the Mycobacterium species tested protein LytR C and the region of the SARS-CoV-2 envelope protein used to generate the antibody. 2) It is well known that the AFB test has relatively poor sensitivity for the diagnostic pathologist, especially in cytology specimens or in formalin fixed, paraffin embedded tissues. It was shown that the immunohistochemistry using the antibody directed against the viral envelope was more sensitive for the diagnosis of Mycobacterial infections than the AFB test. Also, the AFB stain does not show the tissue morphology well and tends to show background in plasma cells; immunohistochemistry shows tissue morphology well and background with this test was minimal. 3) The pathology laboratory setting up a diagnostic test for SARS-CoV-2 can use immunohistochemistry and an antibody directed against the envelope protein with formalin fixed, paraffin embedded tissues from Mycobacterial infections as the positive control. This will greatly shorten the time to optimize the assay since COVID-19 autopsy material is often difficult to obtain and the viral protein distribution is very heterogeneous [2].

Despite these three important points for the diagnostic pathologist, clearly the most significant finding in this study is that the BCG vaccine, derived from Mycobacterium bovis, should indeed be effective against the current COVID-19 pandemic. SARS-CoV-2 has four major structural proteins: the spike, nucleocapsid, membrane and envelope proteins. The envelope protein is integral to the pathogenicity of the virus [[1], [2], [3]]. The data in this paper strongly suggests that BCG vaccination induces a specific immunity directed against the SARS-CoV-2 envelope protein that, in turn, is integral to the pathogenicity of the virus. Repeat BCG vaccination to those who have already received it, typically in childhood, can within several days reactivate the immune system memory directed against the Mycobacterial antigens that would include the heterologous immunity against the SARS-CoV-2 envelope protein [16]. Large numbers of new COVID-19 cases are still being reported daily. Thus, prospective trials examining whether there is an inverse correlation between a concurrent booster BCG vaccine in countries where this vaccine is mandatory at birth, as well as concurrent BCG vaccination to those who never have had the vaccine, and the incidence/severity of SARS-CoV-2 disease may well underscore the specific value of vaccination against Mycobacterium bovis to reducing the severity of the current pandemic.

In sum, BCG vaccination is being touted as a treatment for reducing the complications of SARS-CoV-2 [1,[3], [4], [5]]. The main clinical finding of this study is that BCG vaccination offers a specific heterologous immunity against infection by SARS-CoV-2 by inducing an adaptive immunity response against a protein essential to the virus's infectivity. This allows one to predict that BCG vaccination boosters should induce a strong anti-viral protection specifically against the disease COVID-19.

I wonder why we have so much noise on rubbish like Ivermectin to treat covid and barely a peep about a vaccine that has existed since the 1950s

Quote from: sokarul
what website did you use to buy your wife? Did you choose Chinese over Russian because she can't open her eyes to see you?

What animal relates to your wife?

Know your place

*

Stash

  • 10075
  • I am car!
Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1132 on: September 02, 2021, 10:19:39 AM »
It is for TB

Then, you lose.

Apparently it is you who is lost. From Shifter's article:

"In sum, BCG vaccination is being touted as a treatment for reducing the complications of SARS-CoV-2 [1,[3], [4], [5]]. The main clinical finding of this study is that BCG vaccination offers a specific heterologous immunity against infection by SARS-CoV-2 by inducing an adaptive immunity response against a protein essential to the virus's infectivity. This allows one to predict that BCG vaccination boosters should induce a strong anti-viral protection specifically against the disease COVID-19.

Huh, go figure, you're wrong. Imagine that.

Quit bullshitting your readers with your quack opinions.

Ummm, yeah, who has the quack opinions...

BCG works specifically against M. tuberculosis, nothing else.

You are wrong again:

"BCG vaccine provides immunity or protection against tuberculosis (TB). The vaccine may be given to persons at high risk of developing TB. It is also used to treat bladder tumors or bladder cancer.[/b]"
https://medlineplus.gov/druginfo/meds/a682809.html

"BCG is proven effective in preventing severe infant meningitis and miliary tuberculosis. Intravesical instillation of BCG is also a standard treatment for non-muscle invasive bladder cancer."

In the past few decades, recombinant BCG (rBCG) technology had been extensively applied to develop vaccine candidates against a variety of infectious diseases, including bacterial, viral, and parasite infections, and to improve the efficacy of BCG in bladder cancer therapy.[/b]"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4920355/

Please report here on HOW exactly the immune system is "stimulated".

See above.

You won't find any specific papers, because they know it's due to the bacteriophages contained by the vaccine.

You are wrong again. I did, see above.

Dr. Nigel Curtis (from Australia) has already undertaken the largest study on BCG, using thousands of volunteers from all over the world: it works very well against covid-19.

Awesome.

You think the paper would have been published had they started off with "We think that covid-19 is caused by M. tuberculosis"? Of course not.

It's time for you to accept defeat.

Looks like you are defeated by, you know, a thing called evidence. Not opinion.

"Corn grows without tossing a girl down the well?"
"Oh, that makes sense." . . . . .
. . . . . "Turns out, it's the god of rain that's in charge."

*

sandokhan

  • Flat Earth Sultan
  • Flat Earth Scientist
  • 6765
Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1133 on: September 02, 2021, 10:31:35 AM »
"Immunohistochemistry documented that an antibody directed against the SARS-CoV-2 envelope, but not the spike or membrane proteins, strongly cross hybridized to 11/11 Mycobacterial species tested, including M. bovis. BlastP analysis showed high homology of the SARS-CoV-2 envelope protein with 12 consecutive amino acids of the protein LytR C, which is a consensus protein unique to Mycobacteria."

Sars-cov-2 is a mycobacterium. Mycobacterium are accompanied by mycoplasma (pneumoniae).

Mycoplasma pneumoniae has spike proteins also, under the electron microscope they look like just the spike proteins from sars-cov-2.

Remember that in the period february-april 2003, everyone thought that Sars-cov-1 was a new form of Chlamydia pneumoniae.

Let me run this by you again:

"BlastP analysis showed high homology of the SARS-CoV-2 envelope protein with 12 consecutive amino acids of the protein LytR C, which is a consensus protein unique to Mycobacteria.

If it's unique to Mycobacteria, then it is actually a mycobacteria. You have no more excuses.


All of the diseases listed in your message are caused by Mycobacterium, so yes the bacteriophages from BCG will immediately attack these mycobacteria.


Shifter, watch out for the Taurids in the southern semiplane (September 10 - November 20). The Taurid meteo shower will bring cometary dust from comet Encke, this time around with a NEW pathogenic agent (H. influenzae). Use eucalyptus (or mint) oil to coat your nostrils every time you go outside. Use apple cider vinegar to gargle (diluted in some water of course) before leaving home to go outside, also when you come back.

If you have vaccinated yourself: use honeysuckle, dandelion (tea/extract), omega-3, white pine needles (only if they contain suramin), bromelain from pineapple. Also this:

https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/breaking-study-finds-that-n-acetylneuraminic-acid-and-its-analogs-can-be-used-to-prevent-adverse-reactions-due-to-covid-19-infection-or-vaccines
« Last Edit: September 02, 2021, 10:33:41 AM by sandokhan »

*

Stash

  • 10075
  • I am car!
Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1134 on: September 02, 2021, 11:06:24 AM »
"Immunohistochemistry documented that an antibody directed against the SARS-CoV-2 envelope, but not the spike or membrane proteins, strongly cross hybridized to 11/11 Mycobacterial species tested, including M. bovis. BlastP analysis showed high homology of the SARS-CoV-2 envelope protein with 12 consecutive amino acids of the protein LytR C, which is a consensus protein unique to Mycobacteria."

Sars-cov-2 is a mycobacterium. Mycobacterium are accompanied by mycoplasma (pneumoniae).

Mycoplasma pneumoniae has spike proteins also, under the electron microscope they look like just the spike proteins from sars-cov-2.

Remember that in the period february-april 2003, everyone thought that Sars-cov-1 was a new form of Chlamydia pneumoniae.

Let me run this by you again:

"BlastP analysis showed high homology of the SARS-CoV-2 envelope protein with 12 consecutive amino acids of the protein LytR C, which is a consensus protein unique to Mycobacteria.

If it's unique to Mycobacteria, then it is actually a mycobacteria. You have no more excuses.

Wrong again. Do you not read the papers you cite? From your article:

"It has been assumed that the protective effect of BCG vaccination is due to an epigenetic enhanced “trained innate immunity” whereby macrophages and natural killer cells are primed from the exposure to Mycobacterium bovis to eliminate any micro-pathogens “

"Another possibility is that there may be heterologous immunity due to a protein in SARS CoV-2 that is homologous to a protein in Mycobacterium bovis. Such heterologous immunity has been documented between other pathogens, such as adenovirus and hepatitis C virus”

"The presence of such immunity between a SARS-CoV-2 capsid protein and a protein of Mycobacterium bovis would allow for a much stronger and specific immunity against the virus subsequent to BCG vaccination.


Lastly:

"SARS-CoV-2 has four major structural proteins: the spike, nucleocapsid, membrane and envelope proteins. The envelope protein is integral to the pathogenicity of the virus [[1], [2], [3]]. The data in this paper strongly suggests that BCG vaccination induces a specific immunity directed against the SARS-CoV-2 envelope protein that, in turn, is integral to the pathogenicity of the virus."

BCG has the potential to boost one's immunity that will, in turn, attack one of the 4 key elements of the covid virus, the envelope protein.

All of the diseases listed in your message are caused by Mycobacterium, so yes the bacteriophages from BCG will immediately attack these mycobacteria.

Umm, bladder cancer? I'm glad you're not in the medical profession.

A) You are wrong. All of your sources state explicitly that BCG may induce an immunity response that can attack pathogens, in this case, potentially the covid virus.

B) You were wrong when you stated that "BCG works specifically against M. tuberculosis, nothing else."

C) BCG does look promising based upon these articles. More validating and testing is underway. This is all good.

"Corn grows without tossing a girl down the well?"
"Oh, that makes sense." . . . . .
. . . . . "Turns out, it's the god of rain that's in charge."

*

sandokhan

  • Flat Earth Sultan
  • Flat Earth Scientist
  • 6765
Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1135 on: September 02, 2021, 11:32:16 AM »
You haven't done your homework on the list of diseases that you mentioned.

Here is someone that has done so:

https://lawrencebroxmeyermd.academia.edu/DrLawrenceBroxmeyerMD

Each and everyone of the afflictions you listed is caused by mycobacterium. His articles are some of the most informative in the business.


"It has been assumed that the protective effect of BCG vaccination is due to an epigenetic enhanced “trained innate immunity” whereby macrophages and natural killer cells are primed from the exposure to Mycobacterium bovis to eliminate any micro-pathogens."

Sure. Those bacteriophages will ONLY attack other mycobacterium. Just like I had stated before. Did I not tell you that there are no specific papers which can explain this "innate immunity response", and that everyone relies on bacteriophages to explain what is going on?

"Another possibility is that there may be heterologous immunity due to a protein in SARS CoV-2 that is homologous to a protein in Mycobacterium bovis. Such heterologous immunity has been documented between other pathogens, such as adenovirus and hepatitis C virus”

Exactly. That protein is UNIQUE to mycobacteria. It is a mycobacterium. Do you understand the meaning of the word "unique"? Those other examples concern VIRUSES.

No wonder you FAILED to address this:

"Immunohistochemistry documented that an antibody directed against the SARS-CoV-2 envelope, but not the spike or membrane proteins, strongly cross hybridized to 11/11 Mycobacterial species tested, including M. bovis. BlastP analysis showed high homology of the SARS-CoV-2 envelope protein with 12 consecutive amino acids of the protein LytR C, which is a consensus protein unique to Mycobacteria."

Unique to Mycobacteria, i.e., sars-cov-2 is a mycobacterium (or mycoplasma for that matter).

Your message has just been thrashed.


Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1136 on: September 02, 2021, 11:36:59 AM »
Sando's in the house!
Quote from: mikeman7918
a single photon can pass through two sluts

Quote from: Chicken Fried Clucker
if Donald Trump stuck his penis in me after trying on clothes I would have that date and time burned in my head.

*

sandokhan

  • Flat Earth Sultan
  • Flat Earth Scientist
  • 6765
Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1137 on: September 02, 2021, 12:25:55 PM »
Let me put an end to this right now.

M. avium has been isolated in covid-19 patients.

https://www.academia.edu/43416919/How_BCG_Vaccination_Trials_Might_Finally_Unlock_the_Many_Mysteries_of_COVID_19_ (pg 9-12)







The current situation is this: delta, lambda, epsilon, eta, mu and C.1.2 are completely resistant to the cmRNA / adenovirus vaccines.

A third shot, specific for any of the variants, will unleash the antigenic sin phenomenon (i.e., it is useless).

A third shot, for the Wuhan original strain (which, incidentally, disappeared from view in march 2020), won't be of any help: the antibodies last at most six weeks. And those antibodies have nothing to do with sars-cov-2.

The vaccines are cmRNA, and not mRNA. cmRNA = chemically modified RNA.

Definition of cmRNA:

"cmRNA is mRNA that has been modified through the substitution of chemically modified bases for normal bases, such as pseudouridine for uridine."

The vaccines are coded with PSEUDOURIDINE (pseudouracil), an isomer of URIDINE. Different chirality, different chemical/biological functions, different configuration. A total disaster. All of the resultant proteins will be mutant.

The vaccines do not have a stop codon. Believe it or not. All of the resultant proteins will be mutant.

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/7/734/htm

However, superficial application of these two criteria can lead to mistakes. I will take the CGN codon family for Arg to show an incorrect optimization of the two mRNA vaccines.
The designers of both vaccines considered CGG as the optimal codon in the CGN codon family and recoded almost all CGN codons to CGG. There are two lines of evidence suggesting that CGG is not the optimal codon. These multiple lines of evidence suggest that CGC is a better codon than CGG. The designers of the mRNA vaccines (especially mRNA-1273, Table 1) chose a wrong codon as the optimal codon.

Pfizer/BioNTech’s BNT162b2 mRNA features two consecutive UGA stop codons. Moderna’s mRNA-1273 uses all three different stop codons UGAUAAUAG. Are these the optimal arrangement?

With such a +1 frameshifting, a downstream in-frame stop codon cannot serve as a fail-safe mechanism. UGA is a poor choice of a stop codon, and UGAU in Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna mRNA vaccines could be even worse.

One caveat in the reasoning above involves the replacement of U by N1-methylpseudouridine (Ψ) in the two vaccine mRNAs.

Therefore, the stop signals are ΨGAΨGA instead of UGAUGA in Pfizer/BioNTech’s vaccine, and ΨGAΨAAΨAG instead of UGAUAAUAG in Moderna’s vaccine. As Ψ is more promiscuous in base-pairing than U and can pair with both A and G and, to a less extent, with C and U, stop codons become more prone to misreading by tRNAs. It is for this reason that both mRNA vaccines use consecutive stop codons as a fail-safe mechanism, with the hope that no frameshifting occurs when the first stop codon fails. However, UGAU is known to cause a +1 frameshifting. It is reasonable to infer that ΨGAΨ may be the same. I have mentioned before that mammalian AZ1 gene with a stop codon context UGAU is prone to polyamine-induced +1 frameshifting. Such a +1 frameshifting defeats the purpose of having multiple stop codons as a fail-safe mechanism.

We find ourselves in the Spartan Virus scenario: only an exobiological solution will be offered. Now, remember that I have been writing about ICHOR for years here now. Ichor, the blood of the titans, is extremely toxic to humans.

The Sars-cov-2 genom (MN908947) has protein codes which belong to a cobra.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/jmv.25682

"The researchers used an analysis of the protein codes favored by the new cor.onavirus and compared it to the protein codes from cor.onaviruses found in different animal hosts, like birds, snakes, marmots, hedgehogs, manis, bats and humans. Surprisingly, they found that the protein codes in the 2019-nCoV are most similar to those used in snakes."

There are huge doubts about the RaTG13 bat genom sequence:

https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202008.0205/v3
https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202008.0595/v1

ACE2 proteins from snakes can bind to the RBD of the spike protein:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7221370/

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/339320636_Structure_analysis_of_the_receptor_binding_of_2019-nCoV

"However,the possibility that cold-blooded animals like snakes can serve as a host cannot be ruled out. The flexible interacting loop identified in our study may allow the virus to adapt to both the cold-blooded and warm-blooded hosts."

"BNT162b is a mRNA vac.cine for prevention of COVID-19. The vac.cine is made of a mRNA encoding forthe full-length SAR.S-CoV-2 spike glycoprotein (S) encapsulated in lipid nanoparticles (LNPs). The sequence of the S protein was chosen based on the sequence for the “SAR.S-CoV-2 isolate Wuhan-Hu-1”, which was available when the program was initiated: GenBank: MN908947.3 (complete genome) and GenBank: QHD43416.1 (spike surface glycoprotein)."

"To generate the template for RNA synthesis, a DNA fragment encoding the SAR.S-CoV-2 P2280 S protein (based on GenBank: MN908947), including the amino acid exchanges K986P and 281 V987P, was cloned into a starting plasmid vector."

1913 Nobel Lecture, Charles Richet: theory of anaphylactic shock. Once a foreign protein (antigen) is introduced directly in the blood, the pacient becomes anaphylactized. That is, a second minute dose of the same antigen will unleash the anaphylactic shock.

https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/1913/richet/lecture/

"We are so constituted that we can never receive other
proteins into the blood than those that have been modified
by digestive juices. Every time alien protein penetrates
by effraction, the organism suffers and becomes resistant.
This resistance lies in increased sensitivity, a sort of
revolt against the second parenteral injection which would
be fatal. At the first injection, the organism was taken
by surprise and did not resist. At the second injection,
the organism mans its defences and answers by the
anaphylactic shock."



mRNA for spike proteins belonging to sars-cov-2 has AGCU as a genetic code. cmRNA for spike protein being produced/created in the body has AGCΨ as a genetic code. A totally different chirality, biological/chemical functions.

The spike proteins from the vaccines are MORE pathogenic than the spike proteins from sars-cov-2:

https://www.francesoir.fr/opinions-tribunes/le-sars-cov2-accelererait-lage-biologique

*

Stash

  • 10075
  • I am car!
Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1138 on: September 02, 2021, 12:34:30 PM »
You haven't done your homework on the list of diseases that you mentioned.

I never mentioned Alzheimer’s, HIV/AIDS, Herpes, or Parkinson's.

Here is someone that has done so:

https://lawrencebroxmeyermd.academia.edu/DrLawrenceBroxmeyerMD

And Broxmeyer in an interview with some journalist named Sardi stated from way back in June of 2020:

Dr. Broxmeyer: I believe that the current BCG trials said to be against COVID-19 will prove highly successful, but not for the reasons presently hypothesized. A review of the literature shows that countries with mandatory tubercular BCG vaccination invariably have lower rates of COVID. Japan, like many other countries including China, Korea, India, and the Russian Federation, have mandatory childhood BCG vaccines against tuberculosis. To this point, these countries have a relatively low per capita death rate from COVID‐19 compared to countries that have no mandatory BCG vaccines (USA, Spain, France, Italy, The Netherlands).

Well, it appears he has underestimated the power of mandatory childhood BCG vaccines...Japan:

Japan extends COVID-19 emergency lockdown as cases surge
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/japan-set-extend-covid-19-state-emergency-lockdown-sept-12-2021-08-17/





Each and everyone of the afflictions you listed is caused by mycobacterium. His articles are some of the most informative in the business.

Did he list bladder cancer?

Your message has just been thrashed.

It kinda looks like, according to Broxmeyer, every ailment is caused by TB. And he seems to be the only one that thinks so.
"Corn grows without tossing a girl down the well?"
"Oh, that makes sense." . . . . .
. . . . . "Turns out, it's the god of rain that's in charge."

*

sandokhan

  • Flat Earth Sultan
  • Flat Earth Scientist
  • 6765
Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #1139 on: September 02, 2021, 12:50:58 PM »
He included each and everyone of the afflictions you mentioned, including the one concerning the bladder. Scroll down to find the articles, perhaps the best ever written on the subject.

The cases in Japan are surging BECAUSE of the vaccination campaign.

Spike proteins are liquid crystals: they will act as antennas between the mycobacterium in the vaccinated folks and the mycobacterium in the atmosphere. These mycobacteria are sending electromagnetic copies of the cells over huge distances, now aided by a very performant wireless transmission, thanks to the spike proteins (and also the HeLa cells in the adenovirus vaccines).

To me, the most worrying situation is now concerning the Vero e6 vaccines.

Sars-Cov-1 - M. avium

Sars-Cov-2 - M. avium, in much higher quantities than in 2003, we are nearing the end of a geological/astronomical age

Sars-Cov-3 - M. influenzae (Haemophilus influenzae)

1915-1917 M. avium (called coronavirus), worldwide pandemic
1918-1919 M. influenzae (Pfeiffer's bacillus)

Prions are M. paratuberculosis.