Italy has defeated the coronavirus!

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Italy has defeated the coronavirus!
« on: March 25, 2020, 08:56:22 AM »


As you can see, number of deaths per day is not increasing anymore in Italy. And this is less than half of daily death of Italy.

Hence, so that, the dangereous in Italy is ended actually. After now, it will stay as a media show.

Graphic is broken down, so what is next?

Lets flatten that liar curve now!
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Re: Italy has defeated the coronavirus!
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2020, 10:03:28 AM »
600 or so deaths per day is hardly a win.
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« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2020, 10:25:39 AM »
600 or so deaths per day is hardly a win.

It can not change daily death of Italy. 1750 of they are averagelly dying daily and not caring it, so why 600 is important? Because of its name? Coronaaaa woaaaa! Are you joke somewhat?
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Re: Italy has defeated the coronavirus!
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2020, 01:59:53 PM »
600 out of 1750 daily deaths works out to roughly 35%. Are you suggesting that 35% of the daily deaths in Italy being due to the coronavirus is not a big deal?

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« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2020, 02:04:00 PM »
Also, it looks like they're leveling off.  Meaning enough has been done to prevent the virus from spreading exponentially now.  Which isn't winning so much as not being defeated. 

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« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2020, 12:40:08 AM »
Also, it looks like they're leveling off.  Meaning enough has been done to prevent the virus from spreading exponentially now.  Which isn't winning so much as not being defeated. 
Also, only about 1% has reportedly been effected. Lets say 5% for missed tests. That is far from enough to provide herd imunity.
So a second wave is Very likely if they dont keep locked down until they have control.
And they def dont have control now, even South Korea is still struggling to eradicate it.

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Re: Italy has defeated the coronavirus!
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2020, 01:18:10 AM »
Also, it looks like they're leveling off.  Meaning enough has been done to prevent the virus from spreading exponentially now.  Which isn't winning so much as not being defeated. 
Also, only about 1% has reportedly been effected. Lets say 5% for missed tests. That is far from enough to provide herd imunity.
So a second wave is Very likely if they dont keep locked down until they have control.
And they def dont have control now, even South Korea is still struggling to eradicate it.
In principle eradication is possible with South Korea's approach but it would be a precarious situation.

Herd immunity for SARS-CoV-2 needs well over 60% immune from vaccination or recovery from COVID-19.

In the worst case scenario unless a vaccine is developed and widely deployed that over 60% must come recovery from COVID-19.
Partial isolation and targeted testing can buy a great deal of time and hopefully keep the infections within parts of a country.

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Re: Italy has defeated the coronavirus!
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2020, 06:59:26 AM »
@wise, I'm not sure what your point is?
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Re: Italy has defeated the coronavirus!
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2020, 10:45:49 AM »
@wise, I'm not sure what your point is?
Number of deaths are not increasing in Italy. They continue to write people dead by coronavirus whose are actually dead because of high fever and shortness of breath.

Daily 1750 people die  in Italy and seemingly 600-700 of them are dying because of high fever and shortness of breath. Hence, it can not increase anymore. This is limit and do not increase the average death of Italians.

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Re: Italy has defeated the coronavirus!
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2020, 03:35:27 PM »
Daily 1750 people die  in Italy and seemingly 600-700 of them are dying because of high fever and shortness of breath. Hence, it can not increase anymore. This is limit and do not increase the average death of Italians.
Where did you get the 1750 per day data from?  If that's the average death rate in Italy, then it's very unlikely that covid deaths have been factored in yet.
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Re: Italy has defeated the coronavirus!
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2020, 09:18:35 AM »
Daily 1750 people die  in Italy and seemingly 600-700 of them are dying because of high fever and shortness of breath. Hence, it can not increase anymore. This is limit and do not increase the average death of Italians.
Where did you get the 1750 per day data from?  If that's the average death rate in Italy, then it's very unlikely that covid deaths have been factored in yet.
It is the average number of death calculated earlier. If it had affected that number it had to be proven. It is not my job. If you claim it so you have to prove it changed.
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Re: Italy has defeated the coronavirus!
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2020, 11:34:53 AM »
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52067673

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Italy has recorded 969 new coronavirus deaths, its highest daily figure in the outbreak so far.

It means 9,134 people have now died from the virus in the country.

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Re: Italy has defeated the coronavirus!
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2020, 02:11:45 PM »
I wonder how many people died of everything else that day.
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Re: Italy has defeated the coronavirus!
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2020, 04:53:28 PM »
Coronavirus Covid 19  has no chance against me! My immune system would kick the shit out of it!!!   

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Re: Italy has defeated the coronavirus!
« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2020, 07:46:50 PM »
I wonder how many people died of everything else that day.
Probably a lot more "people died of everything else that day" but is the number of people that died of everything else growing at the pace COVID-19 deaths would grow if no action were taken?

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Re: Italy has defeated the coronavirus!
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2020, 02:34:56 AM »
I wonder how many people died of everything else that day.
Nobody is sharing this information. I have spent many time about Italy, by researching their health ministery web pages and other sources in Italy, unfortunately, there isn't that knowledge. There is an advanced interactive citizenship system in all countries. the dead are marked to the system instantly in that minute. statistics should not be difficult. a simple algorithm that a programmer will write. Clearly they don't want us to know .
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Re: Italy has defeated the coronavirus!
« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2020, 02:41:20 AM »
Wise was proven wrong by yesterdays deaths/day.

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« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2020, 02:44:55 AM »
Wise was proven wrong by yesterdays deaths/day.
No. the number may increase and decrease daily. I was wrong about 750, I did not consider thay can manipulate the numbers, but I am still assertive about 1750. The important thing here is average number of deads.
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Re: Italy has defeated the coronavirus!
« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2020, 02:45:24 AM »
Wise was proven wrong by yesterdays deaths/day.
No. the number may increase and decrease daily. I was wrong about 750, I did not consider thay can manipulate the numbers, but I am still assertive about 1750.
Pathetic.

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Re: Italy has defeated the coronavirus!
« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2020, 02:45:40 AM »
Wise was proven wrong by yesterdays deaths/day.
No. the number may increase and decrease daily. I was wrong about 750, I did not consider thay can manipulate the numbers, but I am still assertive about 1750.
Pathetic.
No. Reality. Lies will emerge soon or later. We'll see numbers today, tomorrow and next days. Then I want to talk you again.
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Re: Italy has defeated the coronavirus!
« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2020, 02:53:20 AM »
Wise was proven wrong by yesterdays deaths/day.
No. the number may increase and decrease daily. I was wrong about 750, I did not consider thay can manipulate the numbers, but I am still assertive about 1750.
Pathetic.
No. Reality. Lies will emerge soon or later. We'll see numbers today, tomorrow and next days. Then I want to talk you again.
You made a prediction.
You were wrong.
Face reality and admit your mistakes.

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Re: Italy has defeated the coronavirus!
« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2020, 02:57:42 AM »
Wise was proven wrong by yesterdays deaths/day.
No. the number may increase and decrease daily. I was wrong about 750, I did not consider thay can manipulate the numbers, but I am still assertive about 1750.
Pathetic.
No. Reality. Lies will emerge soon or later. We'll see numbers today, tomorrow and next days. Then I want to talk you again.
You made a prediction.
You were wrong.
Face reality and admit your mistakes.
I give up. The graph is true. I have draw it considering earlier numbers. But it is still valid, an average upper limit.
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Re: Italy has defeated the coronavirus!
« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2020, 03:06:01 AM »
Wise was proven wrong by yesterdays deaths/day.
No. the number may increase and decrease daily. I was wrong about 750, I did not consider thay can manipulate the numbers, but I am still assertive about 1750.
Pathetic.
No. Reality. Lies will emerge soon or later. We'll see numbers today, tomorrow and next days. Then I want to talk you again.
You made a prediction.
You were wrong.
Face reality and admit your mistakes.
I give up. The graph is true. I have draw it considering earlier numbers. But it is still valid, an average upper limit.
So you have drawn it wrong? Then it is no longer valid.
Is your only point that there is an upper limit? If so that's absolutely obvious, for there to not be an upper limit there would need to be unlimited people in italy.

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Re: Italy has defeated the coronavirus!
« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2020, 03:42:34 AM »
Wise, look at when the average deaths per day in italy was calculated: BEFORE CORONA!

Therefore deaths per day is 1750 + corona deaths.

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Re: Italy has defeated the coronavirus!
« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2020, 03:47:15 AM »
Wise, look at when the average deaths per day in italy was calculated: BEFORE CORONA!

Therefore deaths per day is 1750 + corona deaths.
Proof?
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Re: Italy has defeated the coronavirus!
« Reply #25 on: March 28, 2020, 03:47:59 AM »
Wise, look at when the average deaths per day in italy was calculated: BEFORE CORONA!

Therefore deaths per day is 1750 + corona deaths.
Proof?
Logic.

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Re: Italy has defeated the coronavirus!
« Reply #26 on: March 28, 2020, 03:50:21 AM »
Wise was proven wrong by yesterdays deaths/day.
No. the number may increase and decrease daily. I was wrong about 750, I did not consider thay can manipulate the numbers, but I am still assertive about 1750.
Pathetic.
No. Reality. Lies will emerge soon or later. We'll see numbers today, tomorrow and next days. Then I want to talk you again.
You made a prediction.
You were wrong.
Face reality and admit your mistakes.
I give up. The graph is true. I have draw it considering earlier numbers. But it is still valid, an average upper limit.
So you have drawn it wrong? Then it is no longer valid.
Is your only point that there is an upper limit? If so that's absolutely obvious, for there to not be an upper limit there would need to be unlimited people in italy.
this is still an upper limit but I think an exceptional situation has occurred. it needs to stay on this line for a few days before we can understand this. I mean, if it continues with 950-1000-900, etc, then it means upper limit is not valid. But if it returns back to 700s again, it means we need to examine the number of dead manipulation in Italian healt ministery authorities. For now, no problem.
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Re: Italy has defeated the coronavirus!
« Reply #27 on: March 28, 2020, 03:54:55 AM »
Wise, look at when the average deaths per day in italy was calculated: BEFORE CORONA!

Therefore deaths per day is 1750 + corona deaths.
Proof?

How can deaths due to corona virus be calculated before corona virus existed?

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« Reply #28 on: March 28, 2020, 03:55:36 AM »
Wise was proven wrong by yesterdays deaths/day.
No. the number may increase and decrease daily. I was wrong about 750, I did not consider thay can manipulate the numbers, but I am still assertive about 1750.
Pathetic.
No. Reality. Lies will emerge soon or later. We'll see numbers today, tomorrow and next days. Then I want to talk you again.
You made a prediction.
You were wrong.
Face reality and admit your mistakes.
I give up. The graph is true. I have draw it considering earlier numbers. But it is still valid, an average upper limit.
So you have drawn it wrong? Then it is no longer valid.
Is your only point that there is an upper limit? If so that's absolutely obvious, for there to not be an upper limit there would need to be unlimited people in italy.
this is still an upper limit but I think an exceptional situation has occurred. it needs to stay on this line for a few days before we can understand this. I mean, if it continues with 950-1000-900, etc, then it means upper limit is not valid. But if it returns back to 700s again, it means we need to examine the number of dead manipulation in Italian healt ministery authorities. For now, no problem.
The most elaborate research & empidemiological model suggest that it will stay up and climb up even a bit higher.

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Re: Italy has defeated the coronavirus!
« Reply #29 on: March 28, 2020, 04:15:55 AM »
Wise, look at when the average deaths per day in italy was calculated: BEFORE CORONA!

Therefore deaths per day is 1750 + corona deaths.
Proof?

How can deaths due to corona virus be calculated before corona virus existed?
There is death rate for countries. This is calculated according to deaths during past years. It is about 1750 daily in Italy.
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