THAT'S WHY THE GAS BALLOON GOES TO UPWARDS.

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THAT'S WHY THE GAS BALLOON GOES TO UPWARDS.
« on: March 05, 2020, 06:13:53 PM »
The earth goes to upwards. For this air pressure acts upwards. So gas balloon goes to upwards. If the earth were not moving upwards then the downward pressure of the air on the gas balloon would have been greater. Because there is more air above. As a result the gas balloon could not go up.
« Last Edit: March 22, 2020, 11:48:05 AM by Abu Jafar »

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« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2020, 08:59:29 PM »
Why do some balloons go down and others go up?

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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2020, 10:39:36 PM »
Why dont we go up?

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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2020, 01:59:55 AM »
Why do I only travel sideways?
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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2020, 02:51:58 AM »
Why do I only travel sideways?
Maybe your eyes are on the wrong side of your body?

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« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2020, 09:39:10 AM »
Hot air balloons can lift hundreds of pounds. People, for example.  But after a while, the air cools down, and then the balloon starts to sink.  If the operator doesn't want the balloon to sink, more hot air is added via a jet burner.

What do you suppose is going on there?
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« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2020, 12:31:31 PM »
The earth goes to upwards. For this air pressure acts upwards. So gas balloon goes to upwards.
This is very strong point. Thanks for bringing it up.
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« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2020, 07:33:32 PM »
The earth goes to upwards. For this air pressure acts upwards. So gas balloon goes to upwards.
This is very strong point. Thanks for bringing it up.

Strong? lol

Helium balloon goes up because air is heavier, takes the place under and pushes it up.
Why helium balloon doesn't go up in vacuum?

(Air balloon doesn't go up in air.)
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« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2020, 05:55:48 PM »
When the upward air pressure is higher than the downward reaction force of a gas balloon then the balloon moves upwards.
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« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2020, 07:13:52 PM »
When the upward air pressure is higher than the downward reaction force of a gas balloon, the balloon moves upwards.

What is this 'downward reaction force of a gas balloon' you mention? Please describe.
No. That sudden lurch forwards is the atmospheric slosh effect.

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« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2020, 07:46:56 PM »
Buoyancy works perfectly well with UA as well as the infinite plane, and I think (although I haven't spent much time working it out) that it also would work just fine with denpressure. I'm curious what the Abu Jafar FE model is, and why it requires reinventing buoyancy.

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« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2020, 05:27:40 AM »
Buoyancy works perfectly well with UA as well as the infinite plane, and I think (although I haven't spent much time working it out) that it also would work just fine with denpressure.
Except UA doesn't work at all and denpressure is just a broken, backwards description of buoyancy using gravity.
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« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2020, 08:12:35 AM »
When the upward air pressure is higher than the downward reaction force of a gas balloon, the balloon moves upwards.
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« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2020, 10:16:57 AM »
Buoyancy works perfectly well with UA as well as the infinite plane, and I think (although I haven't spent much time working it out) that it also would work just fine with denpressure.
Except UA doesn't work at all and denpressure is just a broken, backwards description of buoyancy using gravity.
Well your evaluation of UA is flawed in ways that I really donít care to go into right now (You know, because itís off topic and has been addressed several times before), and basically your entire post is irrelevant to what I said so I guess I donít know how to even respond in a way that would be on topic. Do you actually have anything relevant to share that addresses the topic, or no?

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« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2020, 10:48:59 AM »
The downward reaction force of an object is its weight.

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« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2020, 12:26:03 PM »
The downward reaction force of an object is its weight.

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« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2020, 12:39:27 PM »
The downward reaction force of an object is its weight.

You have a 10 lb lead ball and a 1 lb lead ball. Both dropped at the same time from 10' high. Which one hits the ground first?
No. That sudden lurch forwards is the atmospheric slosh effect.

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« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2020, 12:43:19 PM »
The downward reaction force of an object is its weight.

You have a 10 lb lead ball and a 1 lb lead ball. Both dropped at the same time from 10' high. Which one hits the ground first?
The lead ball, duh.
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« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2020, 12:48:02 PM »
The downward reaction force of an object is its weight.
You have a 10 lb lead ball and a 1 lb lead ball. Both dropped at the same time from 10' high. Which one hits the ground first?
They cannot fall at the same time, this is precise information. :)
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« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2020, 12:51:02 PM »
The downward reaction force of an object is its weight.
You have a 10 lb lead ball and a 1 lb lead ball. Both dropped at the same time from 10' high. Which one hits the ground first?
They cannot fall at the same time, this is precise information. :)

Which one hits the ground first?
No. That sudden lurch forwards is the atmospheric slosh effect.

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« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2020, 01:08:57 PM »
The downward reaction force of an object is its weight.
You have a 10 lb lead ball and a 1 lb lead ball. Both dropped at the same time from 10' high. Which one hits the ground first?
They cannot fall at the same time, this is precise information. :)
Which one hits the ground first?
Ahahaha. It changes which high you get as 10'. If you get the center of the objects, then it means 10lb lead ball closer to the ground. Hence, it hits first. Generally we get distance of objects with their center of weight, hence, most of the events, the bigger one hits first mostly.

If you get the high as bottom of objects, then the center of weight of 1lb ball stays closer to the ground. In this point, air resistance affects should be calculated. We should calculate but I guess we can get small one hits first because of its center of weight is closer to the ground, hence it goes more than the bigger one. Ahaha. Not so easy, right?  ;D
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« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2020, 01:25:03 PM »
The downward reaction force of an object is its weight.
You have a 10 lb lead ball and a 1 lb lead ball. Both dropped at the same time from 10' high. Which one hits the ground first?
They cannot fall at the same time, this is precise information. :)
Which one hits the ground first?
Ahahaha. It changes which high you get as 10'. If you get the center of the objects, then it means 10lb lead ball closer to the ground. Hence, it hits first. Generally we get distance of objects with their center of weight, hence, most of the events, the bigger one hits first mostly.

If you get the high as bottom of objects, then the center of weight of 1lb ball stays closer to the ground. In this point, air resistance affects should be calculated. We should calculate but I guess we can get small one hits first because of its center of weight is closer to the ground, hence it goes more than the bigger one. Ahaha. Not so easy, right?  ;D

Fair point, everything is always just a bit more complicated. How about this, a basket ball and a medicine ball. Both are the same size. The basketball weighs 1 lb and the medicine ball weighs 10 lbs.

Both dropped from the same height, we'll say 10', at the same time. Which one hit the ground first?
No. That sudden lurch forwards is the atmospheric slosh effect.

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« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2020, 03:23:55 PM »
If you get the high as bottom of objects, then the center of weight of 1lb ball stays closer to the ground. In this point, air resistance affects should be calculated. We should calculate but I guess we can get small one hits first because of its center of weight is closer to the ground, hence it goes more than the bigger one. Ahaha. Not so easy, right?  ;D

Fair point, everything is always just a bit more complicated. How about this, a basket ball and a medicine ball. Both are the same size. The basketball weighs 1 lb and the medicine ball weighs 10 lbs.

Both dropped from the same height, we'll say 10', at the same time. Which one hit the ground first?
Near enough, but drop them from 1000', at the same time. Which one hit the ground first? Interesting . . . .  ?

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« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2020, 04:30:27 PM »
If you get the high as bottom of objects, then the center of weight of 1lb ball stays closer to the ground. In this point, air resistance affects should be calculated. We should calculate but I guess we can get small one hits first because of its center of weight is closer to the ground, hence it goes more than the bigger one. Ahaha. Not so easy, right?  ;D

Fair point, everything is always just a bit more complicated. How about this, a basket ball and a medicine ball. Both are the same size. The basketball weighs 1 lb and the medicine ball weighs 10 lbs.

Both dropped from the same height, we'll say 10', at the same time. Which one hit the ground first?
Near enough, but drop them from 1000', at the same time. Which one hit the ground first? Interesting . . . .  ?

Awesome! I like the complication, as it were. Air resistance should be the same, same size objects and both round so not a factor. But now we have height and seeming velocity increase...or not.

I'm gonna go with....

I want to see what Wise and the OP have to say. Lay it on us.
No. That sudden lurch forwards is the atmospheric slosh effect.

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« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2020, 06:00:08 PM »
Awesome! I like the complication, as it were. Air resistance should be the same, same size objects and both round so not a factor. But now we have height and seeming velocity increase...or not.

I'm gonna go with....

I want to see what Wise and the OP have to say. Lay it on us.
What matters is the ratio of downward force to the air resistance.

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« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2020, 08:01:11 PM »
Awesome! I like the complication, as it were. Air resistance should be the same, same size objects and both round so not a factor. But now we have height and seeming velocity increase...or not.

I'm gonna go with....

I want to see what Wise and the OP have to say. Lay it on us.
What matters is the ratio of downward force to the air resistance.
Let's see what the OP comes up with as that ratio.
No. That sudden lurch forwards is the atmospheric slosh effect.

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« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2020, 05:57:48 AM »
Well your evaluation of UA is flawed in ways that I really donít care to go into right now (You know, because itís off topic and has been addressed several times before), and basically your entire post is irrelevant to what I said so I guess I donít know how to even respond in a way that would be on topic. Do you actually have anything relevant to share that addresses the topic, or no?

You: "Buoyancy works without the theory of gravity."
Me: "Buoyancy does not work without the theory of gravity."
You: "You're off topic!"
Me: ???
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« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2020, 02:38:08 PM »
Well your evaluation of UA is flawed in ways that I really donít care to go into right now (You know, because itís off topic and has been addressed several times before), and basically your entire post is irrelevant to what I said so I guess I donít know how to even respond in a way that would be on topic. Do you actually have anything relevant to share that addresses the topic, or no?

You: "Buoyancy works without the theory of gravity."
Me: "Buoyancy does not work without the theory of gravity."
You: "You're off topic!"
Me: ???
"Buoyancy works without the theory of gravity" because buoyancy can work not only with gravity but with an acceleration from any source.
Gravity is the accepted acceleration and we usually write buoyant force = g x volumedisplaced x densityfluid.
But the g in that buoyant force expression could be replaced by any acceleration, maybe:
       the acceleration of Einstein's accelerating elevator thought experiment (Einsteinís Experimental Elevator) or
       the acceleration of the flat Earth in the Universal Acceleration hypothesis - that few flat Earthers, even here, accept.

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« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2020, 05:02:11 PM »
Gravity is the downward reaction force of an object. For this, the falling velocity of the object is the opposite of the rise velocity. Because the reaction is the opposite of the action.

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« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2020, 05:06:13 PM »
Gravity is the downward reaction force of an object. For this, the falling velocity of the object is the opposite of the rise velocity. Because the reaction is the opposite of the action.

Where does your "Earth goes upward" part come into play? I'm confused, does gravity exist?
No. That sudden lurch forwards is the atmospheric slosh effect.