# The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe

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#### Fermer05

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##### Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2020, 02:26:01 AM »
Galaxies, cyclones and cycles, are a single slowly rotating "monolith", which rotate like a gas tank cover, and do not obey the law of universal gravitation.
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#### JJA

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##### Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2020, 12:41:59 PM »
Galaxies cyclones and cycles, are a single slowly rotating "monolith", which does not obey the law of universal gravitation.

Do you have a source for this?

I'd performed simulations of galaxies, and read about many more complex ones and the math certainly obeys Newtons laws. I'm not aware of any theory stating that galaxies rotate as one large solid object.

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##### Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
« Reply #32 on: May 22, 2020, 07:43:56 AM »
1. The solar system is an autonomous object of the universe.
2. Sunlight, due to the deflecting force of the Coriolis, revolves around the Sun.
3. The diameter of the solar system depends on the speed of light and the angular velocity of rotation of the sun D = c / ω.
4. At the edge of the solar system, sunlight rotates against the rotation of the sun, at a speed of about 0 km / s, relative to the universe. https://images.app.goo.gl/GZMt3h1e1dH86wWN6

#### JJA

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##### Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
« Reply #33 on: May 22, 2020, 07:44:48 AM »
Galaxies, cyclones and cycles, are a single slowly rotating "monolith", which rotate like a gas tank cover, and do not obey the law of universal gravitation.

That's just repeating what you said. Do you have an actual source for these claims other than your own opinion, if so please share?

What exactly is a cyclone or cycle?

#### JJA

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##### Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
« Reply #34 on: May 22, 2020, 07:55:34 AM »
1. The solar system is an autonomous object of the universe.
2. Sunlight, due to the deflecting force of the Coriolis, revolves around the Sun.
3. The diameter of the solar system depends on the speed of light and the angular velocity of rotation of the sun D = c / ω.
4. At the edge of the solar system, sunlight rotates against the rotation of the sun, at a speed of about 0 km / s, relative to the universe. https://images.app.goo.gl/GZMt3h1e1dH86wWN6

Ok, there are more details this time at least.

1. I'm not sure what you are saying here.  The solar system is separate from the universe? This is clearly not true or the solar system would have escaped the gravitational pull of the Milky Way long ago.

2. Sunlight does not revolve around the sun in any way. Photons that escape the sun are moving at light speed, which is significantly faster than the sun's escape velocity and therefore do not orbit it.

3. I'm not sure what you mean by "diameter of the solar system" here.  Are you putting some sort of limit on how big it is?

4. None of this is backed up by any observations or evidence. Nor does i make much sense. If light at the edge of the solar system (which would be a sphere not a circle) is standing still relative to something, that means the whole solar system has to be reverse-orbiting the now standing still phons?

#### Fermer05

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##### Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2020, 07:57:09 AM »
Galaxies cyclones and cycles, are a single slowly rotating "monolith", which does not obey the law of universal gravitation.

Do you have a source for this?

I'd performed simulations of galaxies, and read about many more complex ones and the math certainly obeys Newtons laws. I'm not aware of any theory stating that galaxies rotate as one large solid object.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_rotation_curve
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modified_Newtonian_dynamics https://life.ru/p/907112
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#### JJA

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##### Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
« Reply #36 on: May 23, 2020, 03:54:10 PM »
Galaxies cyclones and cycles, are a single slowly rotating "monolith", which does not obey the law of universal gravitation.

Do you have a source for this?

I'd performed simulations of galaxies, and read about many more complex ones and the math certainly obeys Newtons laws. I'm not aware of any theory stating that galaxies rotate as one large solid object.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_rotation_curve
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modified_Newtonian_dynamics https://life.ru/p/907112

Your own links show that galaxies rotate on a curve, not as a solid monolithic objects.

Dark matter or something is causing them to not behave as expected, we simply don't know enough yet to know what that is. But they absolutely behave as a pack of dense stars, circulating at differing speeds.

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##### Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
« Reply #37 on: May 27, 2020, 03:21:28 AM »
1. The solar system is an autonomous object of the universe.
2. Sunlight, due to the deflecting force of the Coriolis, revolves around the solar system.
3. The radius of the solar system depends on the speed of light and the angular velocity of rotation of the sun R ≈ c / ω.
4. At the edge of the solar system, sunlight rotates against the rotation of the sun, at a speed of about 0 km / s, relative to the universe. https://images.app.goo.gl/GZMt3h1e1dH86wWN6

#### rabinoz

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##### Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
« Reply #38 on: May 27, 2020, 05:13:59 AM »
1. The solar system is an autonomous object of the universe.
Yes, near enough.

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2. Sunlight, due to the deflecting force of the Coriolis, revolves around the solar system.
No, it does nothing of the sort. Why would "the deflecting force of the Coriolis" effect significantly affect sunlight in The Solar system.

Sunlight takes about 4 hours to reach Pluto and in that time the planets have move a negligible amount.

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3. The radius of the solar system depends on the speed of light and the angular velocity of rotation of the sun R ≈ c / ω.
No, the radius of the Solar system has nothing to do with "the speed of light". Why would it?

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4. At the edge of the solar system, sunlight rotates against the rotation of the sun, at a speed of about 0 km / s, relative to the universe. https://images.app.goo.gl/GZMt3h1e1dH86wWN6
I don't follow. What has the "rotation of the sun" got to do with anything?
The Sun doesn't send out beams like a searchlight - it emits light almost equally in all directions.

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##### Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
« Reply #39 on: May 27, 2020, 11:10:19 AM »
1. The solar system is an autonomous object of the universe.
2. Sunlight, due to the deflecting force of the Coriolis, revolves around the solar system.
3. The radius of the solar system depends on the speed of light and the angular velocity of rotation of the sun R ≈ c / ω.
4. At the edge of the solar system, sunlight rotates against the rotation of the sun, at a speed of about 0 km / s, relative to the universe. https://images.app.goo.gl/GZMt3h1e1dH86wWN6
The radius of the solar system is R ≈ c / ω
The speed of light ≈ 1,000,000,000 km / h.
The angular velocity of the Sun ≈ 0.0105 rad / h.
The radius of the solar system is ≈ 95,000,000,000 km.
https://www.universetoday.com/15585/diameter-of-the-solar-system/

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##### Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
« Reply #40 on: May 27, 2020, 06:38:42 PM »
1. The solar system is an autonomous object of the universe.
2. Sunlight, due to the deflecting force of the Coriolis, revolves around the solar system.
The Coriolis effect does not deflect anything. It is simply that straight-line motion (light here) in a non-rotating "frame of reference" seems curved in a rotating "frame of reference".

But there's no indications that the Solar System as a whole is rotating at all - other than orbiting the galactic centre.

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3. The radius of the solar system depends on the speed of light and the angular velocity of rotation of the sun R ≈ c / ω.
4. At the edge of the solar system, sunlight rotates against the rotation of the sun, at a speed of about 0 km / s, relative to the universe. https://images.app.goo.gl/GZMt3h1e1dH86wWN6
The radius of the solar system is R ≈ c / ω
Why should there be any logical reason why the "radius of the solar system" should be related to "the angular velocity of the Sun"?

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The speed of light ≈ 1,000,000,000 km / h.
The angular velocity of the Sun ≈ 0.0105 rad / h.
The radius of the solar system is ≈ 95,000,000,000 km.
https://www.universetoday.com/15585/diameter-of-the-solar-system/
I don't know where the "radius of the solar system is ≈ 95,000,000,000 km" comes from because:
Sedna, the farthest known observable object in the Solar system, is about 143,730,000,000 km from the Sun.

In any case sunlight does not circulate around the Solar System but travels in near enough to straight lines.

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##### Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
« Reply #41 on: June 01, 2020, 11:34:58 AM »
A planet is an object in the solar system that has an atmosphere, axial speed, etc. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAU_definition_of_planet
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##### Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
« Reply #42 on: June 01, 2020, 04:50:00 PM »
A planet is an object of the solar system that has an atmosphere and axial speed. (Pluto).
Planets do not necessarily have an atmosphere or even any significant axial speed. have a look at: Planetary Fact Sheet - Metric.

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##### Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
« Reply #43 on: July 17, 2020, 03:38:47 PM »
What theory or experiment proves that the gravity of the planets is infinite?
The formula F = G ∙ M ∙ m / R² does not prove that the force of gravity is infinite.
The law of universal gravitation says: The force of gravitational attraction between two material points is proportional to both masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.
And not a word that the gravity of the planets is infinite.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_law_of_universal_gravitation
What would the gravitational force formula look like if the gravity of the earth did not exceed - 10,000,000 km, and the moon - 100,000 km?
If the gravity of the Earth reached the Sun, then the temperature of the Earth would be much higher.

Earth's gravity does not reach Venus, proof of this is Venus's circular orbit.
The reason for the formation of the ellipse of the planets is beyond the cognitive capabilities of modern science. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_eccentricity

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##### Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
« Reply #44 on: July 17, 2020, 03:57:51 PM »
If the gravity of the Earth reached the Sun, then the temperature of the Earth would be much higher.

How much higher?

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##### Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
« Reply #45 on: July 17, 2020, 05:02:25 PM »
What theory or experiment proves that the gravity of the planets is infinite?
NONE! Because "the gravity of the planets is" NOT "infinite".

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The formula F = G ∙ M ∙ m / R² does not prove that the force of gravity is infinite.
Of course it doesn't!  "Because "the gravity of the planets is" NOT "infinite".

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The law of universal gravitation says: The force of gravitational attraction between two material points is proportional to both masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.
And not a word that the gravity of the planets is infinite.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_law_of_universal_gravitation
What would the gravitational force formula look like if the gravity of the earth did not exceed - 10,000,000 km, and the moon - 100,000 km?
Why bother?

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If the gravity of the Earth reached the Sun, then the temperature of the Earth would be much higher.
The "gravity of the Earth" DOES "reach the Sun" but that has nothing to do with the "temperature of the Earth"!

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Earth's gravity does not reach Venus, proof of this is Venus's circular orbit.
The "gravity of the Earth" DOES "reach the Venus" but that has nothing to do with the "temperature of the Earth"!
They two slightly affect the orbits of each other but even Isaac Newton was fully aware of that.

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The reason for the formation of the ellipse of the planets is beyond the cognitive capabilities of modern science. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_eccentricity
I wouldn't say "beyond the cognitive capabilities of modern science" but when something started possibly 4.5 billion years ago the exact cause might not be apparent.

Then early planetary collisions probably have changed some orbits:
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What is most widely accepted today is the giant-impact theory. It proposes that the Moon formed during a collision between the Earth and another small planet, about the size of Mars. The debris from this impact collected in an orbit around Earth to form the Moon.

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##### Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
« Reply #46 on: July 18, 2020, 02:31:11 AM »
What is most widely accepted today is the giant-impact theory. It proposes that the Moon formed during a collision between the Earth and another small planet, about the size of Mars. The debris from this impact collected in an orbit around Earth to form the Moon.
This means that if there were no accidental collision, then there would be no our satellite, and possibly other satellites of the planets.

The laws of nature exist to avoid accidents and chaos.
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##### Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
« Reply #47 on: July 18, 2020, 04:38:35 AM »
What is most widely accepted today is the giant-impact theory. It proposes that the Moon formed during a collision between the Earth and another small planet, about the size of Mars. The debris from this impact collected in an orbit around Earth to form the Moon.
This means that if there were no accidental collision, then there would be no our satellite, and possibly other satellites of the planets.

The laws of nature exist to avoid accidents and chaos.
But there were collisions in the past though none likely between major planets in th forseeable future.
There could easily be a collision between a large asteroid and the Earth or another planet.

But there are no "laws of nature"  "to avoid accidents and chaos."

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##### Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
« Reply #48 on: July 21, 2020, 07:43:50 AM »
The eccentricity of the Moon's orbit can be calculated using the following formula. E = Vl / Vz = 27.3 / 365.2 = 0.0747
Where Vl is the Moon's orbital velocity.
Vz - Earth's orbital velocity.
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To determine the orbital speed of the Moon, it is enough to multiply the orbital speed of the Earth by the eccentricity of the Moon's orbit.
Vz ≈ Vl • E ≈ 365.2 • 0.0747
Also, you can check the orbital speed of other planets.
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##### Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
« Reply #49 on: July 21, 2020, 08:11:54 PM »
The eccentricity of the Moon's orbit can be calculated using the following formula. E = Vz / Vl = 0.0411 / 0.55 = 0.0747
Where Vz - Earth's orbital speed - 0.0411 degrees / hour.
Vl - Moon's orbital speed - 0.55 degrees / hour.

The eccentricity of the Moon's orbit can be calculated using the following formula.
E = (Vz / Sz) / (Vl / Sl) = 0.00071 / 0.0095 = 0.0747
Where Vz is the Earth's orbital speed - 107,218 km / h.
Sz - Distance from the Sun to the Earth - 150,000,000 km.
Where Vl is the Moon's orbital speed - 3683 km / h.
Sl - Distance from the Earth to the Moon 384,000 km.
The eccentricity of the Moon's orbit varies, from 0.026 to 0.077.
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Both formulas show that the average eccentricity of the Moon's orbit is 0.0747.
And the average eccentricity of the Moon's orbit, which is determined using radar, is 0.054.
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##### Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
« Reply #50 on: August 18, 2020, 01:10:07 PM »
It is believed that the abnormally high "Tides of the Century" with an amplitude of 15 meters in the Gulf of Saint-Malo, France, formed during the parade of planets. Then why, in other bays of France and the northern hemisphere, during the parade of the planets, abnormally high "Tides of the century" are not formed.
Moreover, in some bays of France during the parade of the planets, abnormally low tides of the century are formed.

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##### Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
« Reply #51 on: August 18, 2020, 01:14:29 PM »
It is believed that the abnormally high "Tides of the Century" with an amplitude of 15 meters in the Gulf of Saint-Malo, France, formed during the parade of planets. Then why, in other bays of France and the northern hemisphere, during the parade of the planets, abnormally high "Tides of the century" are not formed.
Moreover, in some bays of France during the parade of the planets, abnormally low tides of the century are formed.

Well, if you do a Google search for that, you basically just come up with you reposting it on a few sites.

So I'd say the answer is... you making stuff up?