Greece police is insucient to stop refugees come free from Turkey 1m on roads

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Wise has a good point. If Turkey did the same the world would band together in collective outrage.

No one can deny the hypocrisy

Why is Turkey being made an enemy? They allow the free movement of asylum seekers. Good on them.

Because the EU is pissed at Turkey for trying to get hundreds of thousands of refugees across the borders. Again, this is not a good thing. Erdogan is using refugees as pawns in a nasty political game and putting them in danger (there are also lots of lies and rumours he is spreading to refugees already in Greece, in one of the islands the refugees were told a ship had come to get them to Athens, so they left the camp and then there was chaos because there was no ship), and the EU doesn't want to take the refugees, so neither side is being very nice here. And of course our cops are being Nazis as usual.

Turkey cant and shouldn't be expected to sustain holding millions of refugees because the mega large and wealthy EU is xenophobic. Is Turkey trying to get the refugees to cross the borders or have they simply let go of the reigns (knowing the outcome).

Perhaps the only solution is Greece giving Turkey another shitload of money. It's still a dick move though. You (not you, you but Greece and the EU) would rather spend a fortune keeping broken asylum seekers held in limbo indefinitely then allow them to rebuild their lives after the EU helped America screw up the Middle East to get to this point

Australia is the same. We are paying billions to poor nations to keep people out of Oz.
OK but Turkey is already being paid a shit load of money, and Turkey was one of the countries waging war in Syria, unlike Greece. So idk why you think Greece, a very small country that had nothing to do with the war, should be paying a much larger country that was involved in the war. Turkey is actively trying to get refugees through the borders and to get refugees here to cause chaos by lying at them. They didn't just let them go wherever they want. The best thing that can happen is Erdogan stops this madness, and also the EU strikes a new deal and accepts more refugees.
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Wise has a good point. If Turkey did the same the world would band together in collective outrage.

No one can deny the hypocrisy

Why is Turkey being made an enemy? They allow the free movement of asylum seekers. Good on them.

Because the EU is pissed at Turkey for trying to get hundreds of thousands of refugees across the borders. Again, this is not a good thing. Erdogan is using refugees as pawns in a nasty political game and putting them in danger (there are also lots of lies and rumours he is spreading to refugees already in Greece, in one of the islands the refugees were told a ship had come to get them to Athens, so they left the camp and then there was chaos because there was no ship), and the EU doesn't want to take the refugees, so neither side is being very nice here. And of course our cops are being Nazis as usual.

Turkey cant and shouldn't be expected to sustain holding millions of refugees because the mega large and wealthy EU is xenophobic. Is Turkey trying to get the refugees to cross the borders or have they simply let go of the reigns (knowing the outcome).

Perhaps the only solution is Greece giving Turkey another shitload of money. It's still a dick move though. You (not you, you but Greece and the EU) would rather spend a fortune keeping broken asylum seekers held in limbo indefinitely then allow them to rebuild their lives after the EU helped America screw up the Middle East to get to this point

Australia is the same. We are paying billions to poor nations to keep people out of Oz.
OK but Turkey is already being paid a shit load of money, and Turkey was one of the countries waging war in Syria, unlike Greece. So idk why you think Greece, a very small country that had nothing to do with the war, should be paying a much larger country that was involved in the war. Turkey is actively trying to get refugees through the borders and to get refugees here to cause chaos by lying at them. They didn't just let them go wherever they want. The best thing that can happen is Erdogan stops this madness, and also the EU strikes a new deal and accepts more refugees.
Turkey is not one of the countries waging war. Our soldiers are doing a duty after agreemend made by Turkey and Russia. We have observe points there to prevent new refugee movements. But Syrian forces have bombed our soldiers then we have replied it. No war, we are not in war. If our soldiers were there all was in NATO plan.

Lafarge factory made all the bunks of terrorists years ago before war started. Inother say France caused it. USA with Germany are still supporting terror groups in Syria. USA and UK represent each other. So, actually Germany, France and UK are main actors in this war which caused to refugee movements. You are preventing these criminals to pay the cost of their crime. Turkey knows this and acts accordingly.

Greece is opposite to it because they behave opposite of what Turkey wants, it should be behave of Greece if something cause Turks don't like. Your cops aren't behaving NAZIs. They are already pawn of NAZI Germany.


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If Greece just took in the refugees, Germany would still not pay any "price" because they won't let us transfer the refugees to northern Europe lol. It wouldn't make any difference.
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If Greece just took in the refugees, Germany would still not pay any "price" because they won't let us transfer the refugees to northern Europe lol. It wouldn't make any difference.

What if you made them citizens of Greece therefore EU citizens?
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If Greece just took in the refugees, Germany would still not pay any "price" because they won't let us transfer the refugees to northern Europe lol. It wouldn't make any difference.

A person who entered Greece has also stepped into Europe. if the crossing at the bulgarian border of greece is not free, this is against the eu agreement. and I don't think this is so.

Let me ask you a secret queston in order to stay between us; a refugee entered Greece also need to enter Bulgaria later. If people later need to go to Bulgaria, why people do not prefer directly Bulgaria have the border with Turkey, like Greece? Have you ever thought?


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If Greece just took in the refugees, Germany would still not pay any "price" because they won't let us transfer the refugees to northern Europe lol. It wouldn't make any difference.

A person who entered Greece has also stepped into Europe. if the crossing at the bulgarian border of greece is not free, this is against the eu agreement. and I don't think this is so.

Let me ask you a secret queston in order to stay between us; a refugee entered Greece also need to enter Bulgaria later. If people later need to go to Bulgaria, why people do not prefer directly Bulgaria have the border with Turkey, like Greece? Have you ever thought?

No, that's not how it works. If this happened the EU would not take in the refugees, they'd just temporarily suspend the Schengen Agreement. It's been done again many times. Bulgaria has also closed the borders. And they're not even in the Schengen Area yet. Neither is Romania.
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If Greece just took in the refugees, Germany would still not pay any "price" because they won't let us transfer the refugees to northern Europe lol. It wouldn't make any difference.

A person who entered Greece has also stepped into Europe. if the crossing at the bulgarian border of greece is not free, this is against the eu agreement. and I don't think this is so.

Let me ask you a secret queston in order to stay between us; a refugee entered Greece also need to enter Bulgaria later. If people later need to go to Bulgaria, why people do not prefer directly Bulgaria have the border with Turkey, like Greece? Have you ever thought?

No, that's not how it works. If this happened the EU would not take in the refugees, they'd just temporarily suspend the Schengen Agreement. It's been done again many times. Bulgaria has also closed the borders. And they're not even in the Schengen Area yet. Neither is Romania.

Got it. So, why do you think almost all refugees prefer Greece but not Bulgaria?


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If Greece just took in the refugees, Germany would still not pay any "price" because they won't let us transfer the refugees to northern Europe lol. It wouldn't make any difference.

A person who entered Greece has also stepped into Europe. if the crossing at the bulgarian border of greece is not free, this is against the eu agreement. and I don't think this is so.

Let me ask you a secret queston in order to stay between us; a refugee entered Greece also need to enter Bulgaria later. If people later need to go to Bulgaria, why people do not prefer directly Bulgaria have the border with Turkey, like Greece? Have you ever thought?

No, that's not how it works. If this happened the EU would not take in the refugees, they'd just temporarily suspend the Schengen Agreement. It's been done again many times. Bulgaria has also closed the borders. And they're not even in the Schengen Area yet. Neither is Romania.

Got it. So, why do you think almost all refugees prefer Greece but not Bulgaria?
Bulgaria isn't very friendly to refugees AT ALL, and they have had their borders closed for a long time.
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If Greece just took in the refugees, Germany would still not pay any "price" because they won't let us transfer the refugees to northern Europe lol. It wouldn't make any difference.

A person who entered Greece has also stepped into Europe. if the crossing at the bulgarian border of greece is not free, this is against the eu agreement. and I don't think this is so.

Let me ask you a secret queston in order to stay between us; a refugee entered Greece also need to enter Bulgaria later. If people later need to go to Bulgaria, why people do not prefer directly Bulgaria have the border with Turkey, like Greece? Have you ever thought?

No, that's not how it works. If this happened the EU would not take in the refugees, they'd just temporarily suspend the Schengen Agreement. It's been done again many times. Bulgaria has also closed the borders. And they're not even in the Schengen Area yet. Neither is Romania.

Got it. So, why do you think almost all refugees prefer Greece but not Bulgaria?
Bulgaria isn't very friendly to refugees AT ALL, and they have had their borders closed for a long time.

I do not think it is meaningful that the borders are closed. immigrants are not crossing the border legally anyway. You also have the Nazi police likewise they have. what is the difference? After they got over the greek nazi police, they will have to get over the bulgarian nazi police again. whereas if they enter the bulgarian route illegally, it will be enough they have to get over Nazi police only only once. So why Greece? what is the point?  Did you give up you to know the answer? If you give up to answer so I'll tell the answer.  ^-^


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If Greece just took in the refugees, Germany would still not pay any "price" because they won't let us transfer the refugees to northern Europe lol. It wouldn't make any difference.

A person who entered Greece has also stepped into Europe. if the crossing at the bulgarian border of greece is not free, this is against the eu agreement. and I don't think this is so.

Let me ask you a secret queston in order to stay between us; a refugee entered Greece also need to enter Bulgaria later. If people later need to go to Bulgaria, why people do not prefer directly Bulgaria have the border with Turkey, like Greece? Have you ever thought?

No, that's not how it works. If this happened the EU would not take in the refugees, they'd just temporarily suspend the Schengen Agreement. It's been done again many times. Bulgaria has also closed the borders. And they're not even in the Schengen Area yet. Neither is Romania.

Got it. So, why do you think almost all refugees prefer Greece but not Bulgaria?
Bulgaria isn't very friendly to refugees AT ALL, and they have had their borders closed for a long time.

I do not think it is meaningful that the borders are closed. immigrants are not crossing the border legally anyway. You also have the Nazi police likewise they have. what is the difference? After they got over the greek nazi police, they will have to get over the bulgarian nazi police again. whereas if they enter the bulgarian route illegally, it will be enough they have to get over Nazi police only only once. So why Greece? what is the point?  Did you give up you to know the answer? If you give up to answer so I'll tell the answer.  ^-^
The refugees can't risk to illegally cross a 3 meter tall barbed wire fence (which is what a Bulgaria has around the borders) and then get arrested anyways. It's more or less the same deal with Greece right now, except it is even worse once you get through the borders, and also most of the refugees are sent there straight from the camps and Erdogan has a deal with Borisov to not do the same to him.
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If Greece just took in the refugees, Germany would still not pay any "price" because they won't let us transfer the refugees to northern Europe lol. It wouldn't make any difference.

A person who entered Greece has also stepped into Europe. if the crossing at the bulgarian border of greece is not free, this is against the eu agreement. and I don't think this is so.

Let me ask you a secret queston in order to stay between us; a refugee entered Greece also need to enter Bulgaria later. If people later need to go to Bulgaria, why people do not prefer directly Bulgaria have the border with Turkey, like Greece? Have you ever thought?

No, that's not how it works. If this happened the EU would not take in the refugees, they'd just temporarily suspend the Schengen Agreement. It's been done again many times. Bulgaria has also closed the borders. And they're not even in the Schengen Area yet. Neither is Romania.

Got it. So, why do you think almost all refugees prefer Greece but not Bulgaria?
Bulgaria isn't very friendly to refugees AT ALL, and they have had their borders closed for a long time.

I do not think it is meaningful that the borders are closed. immigrants are not crossing the border legally anyway. You also have the Nazi police likewise they have. what is the difference? After they got over the greek nazi police, they will have to get over the bulgarian nazi police again. whereas if they enter the bulgarian route illegally, it will be enough they have to get over Nazi police only only once. So why Greece? what is the point?  Did you give up you to know the answer? If you give up to answer so I'll tell the answer.  ^-^
The refugees can't risk to illegally cross a 3 meter tall barbed wire fence (which is what a Bulgaria has around the borders) and then get arrested anyways. It's more or less the same deal with Greece right now, except it is even worse once you get through the borders, and also most of the refugees are sent there straight from the camps and Erdogan has a deal with Borisov to not do the same to him.

Ahahaha. So you are taking all these protests and refugeee movemens serious. Ahahaha. Hahahaha!  ;D

Dude Turkey sent 850.000 refugee in 2015 rfugee to Germany via Bulgaria and Greece path, that both countries did not aware most of them. Our interior minister announced it yesterday in press meeting. Ahaha. It means actually Turkey knows how to send them to the Germany and makes it when necessary.

For example, now the interior minister announced that 140,000 people had crossed the border. moreover, they follow these people until they settle in western europe. the greek minister said that if I am not mistaken, they caught about 4,000 people. Last time, we calculated that only 5% of the outgoing is prevented and 95% passes and your police do not even know about it.

Anyways. The reality is different and Turkey can send a refugee wherever she wants, whenever she wants. This is the fact. All of these events including the refugee movement in both sides we saw on TV, media, social media, politics in Greece and Turkey are nothing but just:

"Show off".


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Pezevenk

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That's not true. You can't pass 140k people in a few days while everyone is on alarm without anyone noticing it. If the interior minister said that, he said it because he wants to encourage more refugees to attempt that.
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He had announced it in twitter number of 142.175. https://twitter.com/suleymansoylu/status/1235857052548730880

I believe they have found a way out of this. As a result, there are hundreds of kilometers of borders and I think it is not very difficult to get over the soldiers at hundreds of observation points or to buy someone inside in this small capitalist world.


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