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« Reply #5010 on: February 02, 2022, 08:29:01 AM »
LOL
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/frontiers-removes-controversial-ivermectin-paper-pre-publication-68505

You want to show us a paper by the Kory moron?

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This isn’t the first time that Kory and his colleagues at FLCCC have been accused of making unsubstantiated claims about ivermectin. In December, Kory gave a statement at a US Senate hearing on COVID-19 treatments in which he called ivermectin “effectively a ‘miracle drug’” that could obliterate disease transmission and prevent illness—claims that Associated Press fact-checkers labelled “False” at the time. Kory, who formerly oversaw critical care at the UW Health in Wisconsin, tells The Scientist that he now regrets using “miracle” and other hyperbolic terminology.

Later in December, FLCCC founder Paul Marik, the first author on the now-rejected Frontiers manuscript and a professor at Eastern Virginia Medical School, wrote a paper reviewing ivermectin that included references to debunked papers, including an observational study of ivermectin in COVID-19 patients led by now-discredited Surgisphere Corporation. That study, which had been posted on the preprint server SSRN, was taken down at the request of one of the authors back in May after concerns were raised about the provenance of the company’s data.

There have been a number of trials of ivermectin in COVID-19 patients, although they haven’t met all the criteria that scientists typically deem necessary to generate strong evidence—that is, being randomized, well-controlled trials with hundreds or thousands of patients and findings published in a peer-reviewed journal.
You post some fucking hit piece written by some fucked up idiot?

Kory is a medical doctor, published and cited by hundreds if not thousands of others.

Your guy writes hit pieces in your basement, dressed up like this:

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« Reply #5011 on: February 02, 2022, 08:30:26 AM »
WISHTOLAUGH's ivermectin hero, Pierre Kory

https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/95726
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Doctor Took Ivermectin and Still Got COVID

Pierre Kory, MD, one of the most vocal proponents of ivermectin, got COVID-19 in August, despite taking the anti-parasitic medication on a weekly basis to ostensibly prevent the disease, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported.

Kory has since doubled down on the drug, urging that the prophylactic dose be increased to twice per week, according to the Journal Sentinel.

In a statement, Kory told the paper: "The most important event that occurred between my testimony [at Sen. Ron Johnson's (R-Wisc.) hearing on COVID-19 in December 2020] and my getting sick was the delta variant," pointing to Delta's higher viral load compared with previous variants.

Kory had called ivermectin a "miracle drug" at the December 2020 Senate hearing, the Journal Sentinel reported. "If you take it, you will not get sick," he said.

The Journal Sentinel further reported on the rise of the drug in the U.S. and its connection to conspiracy theories. According to data from IQVIA obtained by the paper, prescriptions for ivermectin jumped from less than 10,000 per week in November 2020, to about 40,000 per week by January 2021. While scripts went back down as cases diminished during the spring, they were back up to 88,000 for the week ending August 13, the latest week for which there were data.

There's been an uptick in side effects from the drug, the paper reported. According to the American Association of Poison Control Centers, 2021 has seen 1,810 cases of ivermectin poisoning in the U.S. as of Oct. 31, compared with 499 for the same period in 2019.

The Journal Sentinel noted that two large randomized controlled clinical trials -- one in the U.S. (ACTIV-6) and one in the U.K. (PRINCIPLE) -- will provide a more definitive picture of the use of ivermectin in COVID-19 in the near future.

What a dumbarse

Quack got what was coming to him. So did all the other muppets who ended up poisoning themselves

Looking at his recent twitter posts that guy has really lost the plot!

Also, another funny article
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fringe-doctors-groups-promote-ivermectin-for-covid-despite-a-lack-of-evidence/

Isn't that Front Line Doctor group a bunch of right wing nutjobs?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America%27s_Frontline_Doctors

Yep! An anti vaxxer morons too

And Front Line doctors also touted hydroxychloroquine as a 'cure'. Now it's ivermectin lol

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53579773
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Stella Immanuel, a doctor at the centre of a controversy over unproven and potentially dangerous claims that an anti-malaria drug can treat Covid-19, is no stranger to conspiracy theories.

Facebook and Twitter have taken down the viral video in which she appears, saying it violates their policies about misinformation - but not before it was retweeted by Donald Trump and one of his sons.

The US president defended himself, saying he found Dr Immanuel, who was born in Cameroon and is based in the Texan city of Houston, "very impressive".

"She said that she had tremendous success with hundreds of different patients, I thought her voice was an important voice but I know nothing about her," he said on Tuesday.

Dr Immanuel, who is also a Christian pastor, gave a speech on the steps of the US Supreme Court in Washington, captured in a video first published by right-wing website Breitbart on Monday.

Dr Stella said taking hydroxychloroquine was common in Cameroon and therefore not harmful

Along with other medics from a group called America's Frontline Doctors, she said that Americans were being denied a potential cure for Covid-19.

"Nobody needs to get sick. This virus has a cure - it is called hydroxychloroquine, I have treated over 350 patients and not had one death," said Dr Immanuel.

Despite some early studies raising hopes that the drug could be used to cure coronavirus, one subsequent larger scale trial has shown it is not effective as a treatment.

WISHTOLAUGH is embarrassing himself idolising these morons and trying to present their work as evidence and proper peer reviewed research

Perhaps it has been peer reviewed. And the peers thought it was full of shit

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« Reply #5012 on: February 02, 2022, 08:34:43 AM »
Action69: "They aren't approved REEEEEEEEEE"
All sane people: "Except, they are, it's really easy to find this info"
Action69: "I SAID REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!"
Actually I wrote approval of pharmaceuticals requires the FDA to publicly release the data it relies upon to issue approval, prior to formal approval.

Those are/were the rules as understood for years.

Since that has not happened, then the reporting of approval is suspect, much like everything else offered by world governments and their lackeys in the MSM.

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« Reply #5013 on: February 02, 2022, 08:36:13 AM »
Action69: "They aren't approved REEEEEEEEEE"
All sane people: "Except, they are, it's really easy to find this info"
Action69: "I SAID REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!"
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

It's a conspiracy I tell ya!!!

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« Reply #5014 on: February 02, 2022, 08:36:22 AM »
Everybody is going to get covid, vaxxed or not.

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« Reply #5015 on: February 02, 2022, 08:44:50 AM »
Everybody is going to get covid, vaxxed or not.

Nice quote change. More precisely though, everyone who is an active partipant in soicety is going to come into contact with the sars cov-2 virus eventually. Vaxxed or not. Because a vaccine doesn't put up some force field against viruses

The difference is, those who hedged their bets with ivermectin and shunned the vaccine, will be much more likely to end up in hospital and/or die

So it was entirely predictable your idol Pierre Kory would get the virus eventually. And despite all his 'ivermectin is a miracle treatment!' It did nothing to spare him the effects of covid and that was despite taking it even before he was infected. Now he's calling for the dosages to be increased lol

Ivermectin, like their other bullshit cure, hydroxychloroquine is not effective and only a fool would shun an effective vaccine in favour for this bullshit

Obviously we know where you stand..... Fool


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« Reply #5016 on: February 02, 2022, 08:46:10 AM »
Everybody is going to get covid, vaxxed or not.
Yes, and the vast majority of those that succumb to it will be the unvaxxed. And they can't solve this mystery somehow. If only there were FDA-approved vaccines available that could reduce the likelihood they die. Oh wait...

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« Reply #5017 on: February 02, 2022, 09:07:35 AM »
WISHTOLAUGH's ivermectin hero, Pierre Kory

https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/95726
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Doctor Took Ivermectin and Still Got COVID

Pierre Kory, MD, one of the most vocal proponents of ivermectin, got COVID-19 in August, despite taking the anti-parasitic medication on a weekly basis to ostensibly prevent the disease, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported.

Kory has since doubled down on the drug, urging that the prophylactic dose be increased to twice per week, according to the Journal Sentinel.

In a statement, Kory told the paper: "The most important event that occurred between my testimony [at Sen. Ron Johnson's (R-Wisc.) hearing on COVID-19 in December 2020] and my getting sick was the delta variant," pointing to Delta's higher viral load compared with previous variants.

Kory had called ivermectin a "miracle drug" at the December 2020 Senate hearing, the Journal Sentinel reported. "If you take it, you will not get sick," he said.

The Journal Sentinel further reported on the rise of the drug in the U.S. and its connection to conspiracy theories. According to data from IQVIA obtained by the paper, prescriptions for ivermectin jumped from less than 10,000 per week in November 2020, to about 40,000 per week by January 2021. While scripts went back down as cases diminished during the spring, they were back up to 88,000 for the week ending August 13, the latest week for which there were data.

There's been an uptick in side effects from the drug, the paper reported. According to the American Association of Poison Control Centers, 2021 has seen 1,810 cases of ivermectin poisoning in the U.S. as of Oct. 31, compared with 499 for the same period in 2019.

The Journal Sentinel noted that two large randomized controlled clinical trials -- one in the U.S. (ACTIV-6) and one in the U.K. (PRINCIPLE) -- will provide a more definitive picture of the use of ivermectin in COVID-19 in the near future.

What a dumbarse

Quack got what was coming to him. So did all the other muppets who ended up poisoning themselves

Looking at his recent twitter posts that guy has really lost the plot!

Also, another funny article
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fringe-doctors-groups-promote-ivermectin-for-covid-despite-a-lack-of-evidence/

Isn't that Front Line Doctor group a bunch of right wing nutjobs?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America%27s_Frontline_Doctors

Yep! An anti vaxxer morons too

And Front Line doctors also touted hydroxychloroquine as a 'cure'. Now it's ivermectin lol

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53579773
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Stella Immanuel, a doctor at the centre of a controversy over unproven and potentially dangerous claims that an anti-malaria drug can treat Covid-19, is no stranger to conspiracy theories.

Facebook and Twitter have taken down the viral video in which she appears, saying it violates their policies about misinformation - but not before it was retweeted by Donald Trump and one of his sons.

The US president defended himself, saying he found Dr Immanuel, who was born in Cameroon and is based in the Texan city of Houston, "very impressive".

"She said that she had tremendous success with hundreds of different patients, I thought her voice was an important voice but I know nothing about her," he said on Tuesday.

Dr Immanuel, who is also a Christian pastor, gave a speech on the steps of the US Supreme Court in Washington, captured in a video first published by right-wing website Breitbart on Monday.

Dr Stella said taking hydroxychloroquine was common in Cameroon and therefore not harmful

Along with other medics from a group called America's Frontline Doctors, she said that Americans were being denied a potential cure for Covid-19.

"Nobody needs to get sick. This virus has a cure - it is called hydroxychloroquine, I have treated over 350 patients and not had one death," said Dr Immanuel.

Despite some early studies raising hopes that the drug could be used to cure coronavirus, one subsequent larger scale trial has shown it is not effective as a treatment.

WISHTOLAUGH is embarrassing himself idolising these morons and trying to present their work as evidence and proper peer reviewed research

Perhaps it has been peer reviewed. And the peers thought it was full of shit




Careful now

Did he claim it was 100%
Or that it was one possible therapy

Masks are not 100%
Vax is not 100%


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« Reply #5018 on: February 02, 2022, 09:11:09 AM »
Careful now

Did he claim it was 100%
Or that it was one possible therapy

Masks are not 100%
Vax is not 100%

I even highlighted in the quote

He said 'If you take it you will not get sick'. He was taking it for 8 months. He then got covid anyway

He is also quoted as saying that ivermectin is a 'miracle' drug. You know whenever a doctor uses that word they are a quack




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« Reply #5019 on: February 02, 2022, 09:16:33 AM »
https://time.com/6092368/americas-frontline-doctors-covid-19-misinformation/

Seems like Americas Front Line Doctors are cons
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So in late July, Mike, who says he is a 48-year-old teacher and disabled veteran from New York state, contacted America’s Frontline Doctors (AFLD), a group he had been following on social media. AFLD has been a leading promoter of ivermectin, a medication typically used to treat parasitic worms in livestock, as a “safe and effective treatment” for COVID-19. Through its website, Mike says, he paid the group $90 for a telemedicine appointment with a doctor willing to prescribe the drug.

A week later, he was still anxiously waiting for the consultation. Calls and emails to AFLD went unreturned, he says. Finally, he called his bank to report a fraudulent charge. “Not even an apology,” Mike, whom TIME is referring to using a pseudonym because of his concerns about his job, told TIME in an interview. “This is absolutely nuts. This organization is not helping anyone but their pocketbooks.”
More from TIME

Similar stories have flooded anti-vaccine forums and messaging apps in recent weeks as some customers and donors raise doubts about AFLD. The group describes itself as a “non-partisan” group of medical professionals. But it originated as a right-wing political organization, and since its founding has consistently spread medical misinformation. Its name implies the group consists of physicians on the frontlines of the pandemic, but it’s not clear how many of its members have spent any time treating patients with COVID-19.

Its followers aren’t the only ones with questions about AFLD. It’s hard to pin down how many people the group employs, how much money it’s taking in, or how that money has been spent, in part because the non-profit has failed to file required disclosures. After it failed to submit its annual report in Arizona, where the group is registered under the name “Free Speech Foundation,” the state recently downgraded the organization’s charitable status to “pending inactive.”

Over the past three months, a TIME investigation found, hundreds of AFLD customers and donors have accused the group of touting a service promising prescriptions for ivermectin, which medical authorities say should not be taken to treat or prevent COVID-19, and failing to deliver after a fee had been paid. Some customers described being charged for consultations that did not happen. Others said they were connected to digital pharmacies that quoted excessive prices of up to $700 for the cheap medication. In more than 3,000 messages reviewed by TIME, dozens of people described their or their family members’ COVID-19 symptoms worsening while they waited for an unproven “wonder drug” that didn’t arrive.

“My mom has now been admitted to the hospital with Covid,” one user wrote Aug. 12 on the group’s channel on the messaging app Telegram. “AFLDS has not returned a call or message to her and they’ve taken over $500 out of her account!”

More at the link. But these 'doctors' dont seem to be the most reliable or trustworthy bunch. They found a get rich quick scheme in touting ivermectin and went for it.

And here is WISHTOLIE shilling for them lol. Too bad no one here is buying it

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« Reply #5020 on: February 02, 2022, 10:58:14 AM »
https://time.com/6092368/americas-frontline-doctors-covid-19-misinformation/

Seems like Americas Front Line Doctors are cons
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So in late July, Mike, who says he is a 48-year-old teacher and disabled veteran from New York state, contacted America’s Frontline Doctors (AFLD), a group he had been following on social media. AFLD has been a leading promoter of ivermectin, a medication typically used to treat parasitic worms in livestock, as a “safe and effective treatment” for COVID-19. Through its website, Mike says, he paid the group $90 for a telemedicine appointment with a doctor willing to prescribe the drug.

A week later, he was still anxiously waiting for the consultation. Calls and emails to AFLD went unreturned, he says. Finally, he called his bank to report a fraudulent charge. “Not even an apology,” Mike, whom TIME is referring to using a pseudonym because of his concerns about his job, told TIME in an interview. “This is absolutely nuts. This organization is not helping anyone but their pocketbooks.”
More from TIME

Similar stories have flooded anti-vaccine forums and messaging apps in recent weeks as some customers and donors raise doubts about AFLD. The group describes itself as a “non-partisan” group of medical professionals. But it originated as a right-wing political organization, and since its founding has consistently spread medical misinformation. Its name implies the group consists of physicians on the frontlines of the pandemic, but it’s not clear how many of its members have spent any time treating patients with COVID-19.

Its followers aren’t the only ones with questions about AFLD. It’s hard to pin down how many people the group employs, how much money it’s taking in, or how that money has been spent, in part because the non-profit has failed to file required disclosures. After it failed to submit its annual report in Arizona, where the group is registered under the name “Free Speech Foundation,” the state recently downgraded the organization’s charitable status to “pending inactive.”

Over the past three months, a TIME investigation found, hundreds of AFLD customers and donors have accused the group of touting a service promising prescriptions for ivermectin, which medical authorities say should not be taken to treat or prevent COVID-19, and failing to deliver after a fee had been paid. Some customers described being charged for consultations that did not happen. Others said they were connected to digital pharmacies that quoted excessive prices of up to $700 for the cheap medication. In more than 3,000 messages reviewed by TIME, dozens of people described their or their family members’ COVID-19 symptoms worsening while they waited for an unproven “wonder drug” that didn’t arrive.

“My mom has now been admitted to the hospital with Covid,” one user wrote Aug. 12 on the group’s channel on the messaging app Telegram. “AFLDS has not returned a call or message to her and they’ve taken over $500 out of her account!”

More at the link. But these 'doctors' dont seem to be the most reliable or trustworthy bunch. They found a get rich quick scheme in touting ivermectin and went for it.

And here is WISHTOLIE shilling for them lol. Too bad no one here is buying it
First, Vera Bergengruen. who wrote the article in Time, is a well known NAZI sympathizer. Her main focus is politics and not medicine.

She lies when she write,"AFLD has been a leading promoter of ivermectin, a medication typically used to treat parasitic worms in livestock, as a “safe and effective treatment” for COVID-19."

The most common and primary use for Ivermectin is treating various infections and illness in humans, not animals.

More Ivermectin has been prescribed and used for human consumption, rather than animal consumption.

Penicillin is typically used for treating infections in all kinds of animals also, but that is not its only use nor is it its primary use.

So, she can go sew a penis on or whatever fucked up wave of bs she latches onto next.

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« Reply #5021 on: February 02, 2022, 11:06:13 AM »
So, she can go sew a penis on or whatever fucked up wave of bs she latches onto next.

Or what, the 144k is going to get her too?

Did you get your conformation number yet? Maybe a little card to carry around?

LOL

Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
« Reply #5022 on: February 02, 2022, 11:12:11 AM »
Careful now

Did he claim it was 100%
Or that it was one possible therapy

Masks are not 100%
Vax is not 100%

I even highlighted in the quote

He said 'If you take it you will not get sick'. He was taking it for 8 months. He then got covid anyway

He is also quoted as saying that ivermectin is a 'miracle' drug. You know whenever a doctor uses that word they are a quack


No ididnt see that
i only skimmed your pages of thread.

Side note
Fauci said we can get back adter vax.

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« Reply #5023 on: February 02, 2022, 11:15:45 AM »
You would say the democrats are nazi sympathizers because they want you to wear a mask. So forgive me if I dont give much credence to your words

Even if she wakes up every morning shouting Heil Hitler,  it doesn't change how fucked up the Front Line Doctors are. More from that article

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On July 27, 2020, a small group of doctors assembled on the steps of the Supreme Court for a news conference. At the time, President Donald Trump was pushing for governors to reopen their states and conservatives had grown increasingly frustrated with lockdown measures. The physicians, who wore white lab coats embroidered with the AFLD logo, had come to repeat a range of White House talking points. They claimed the mental toll of the lockdowns was worse than the virus itself, that hydroxychloroquine was an effective treatment for COVID-19 and that masks weren’t necessary—all of which had been contradicted by U.S. health officials.

To the extent that the mainstream medical community paid attention to the group at all, it was to point out that these doctors making misstatements lacked the expertise to comment. There was no evidence that any of the doctors who spoke that day had treated patients severely ill with the virus, according to MedPage Today, a peer-reviewed medical news site. None of them were infectious-disease experts or worked in intensive-care units during the pandemic. One was best known for promoting bizarre religious beliefs, including tweeting that America needed “deliverance from demon sperm” because people were falling ill from having sex with demons and witches in their dreams. Two of the “frontline” doctors were ophthalmologists, only one of whom was still licensed.

HAHAHAHA. What a bunch of loonies. And these con artists are your go to for covid treatment information? Apart from being batshit crazy, they appear to not even be qualified to know what the hell the yare talking about

You embarrass yourself aligning with these freaks.

It's 2022 now. And yet there is no proper randomized controlled clinical trials that say ivermectin is great against covid. There are a lot of charlatans like the Front Line Doctors who con people into thinking it's good so they can take their money though

Give them yours.



WISHTOLAUGH's favourite doctor. The demon sperm lady

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« Reply #5024 on: February 02, 2022, 11:40:27 AM »
Action69: "They aren't approved REEEEEEEEEE"
All sane people: "Except, they are, it's really easy to find this info"
Action69: "I SAID REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!"
Actually I wrote approval of pharmaceuticals requires the FDA to publicly release the data it relies upon to issue approval, prior to formal approval.

Just because you wrote something doesn't make it valid. Where are you getting this rule from?

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« Reply #5025 on: February 02, 2022, 03:25:14 PM »


Matt Taibbi and Matt Orfalea teamed up to make this one.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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« Reply #5026 on: February 02, 2022, 07:20:04 PM »
Saying it leaked from a lab doesn't mean it was deliberate action or that coming from a lab means it was man made and intentionally or accidentally released.

Scientists the world over from the start have agreed this is not a man made virus.

It was also fair enough to question the wet markets as a source just as it was fair enough to question whether the lab could have been involved from an accidental leak of a virus they were studying.

In the absence of information, in the realm of probabilities, nature always had a bigger probability of being the source

China's belligerent and uncooperative attitude shifted that probability but again, it has never appeared to be man made

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/354000159_The_origins_of_SARS-CoV-2_A_critical_review

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« Reply #5027 on: February 02, 2022, 10:58:36 PM »
Child vaccination rates in Canberra (5-11 years) have reached 71.2% just as school starts. ~99% of 12+ have had 2 doses and over 52% of 18+ people have had a third dose so far

And despite covid having 'let rip' in Canberra, only 1 person currently in ICU.

Yay for vaccines 8)

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« Reply #5028 on: February 03, 2022, 06:49:12 AM »
That wasn't the point of the video, though. The US media all claimed the lab leak was debunked right from the start, they called it a conspiracy theory. Lab accidents happen all the time!
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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« Reply #5029 on: February 03, 2022, 07:19:38 AM »
That wasn't the point of the video, though. The US media all claimed the lab leak was debunked right from the start, they called it a conspiracy theory. Lab accidents happen all the time!

To be fair, there was no evidence there was a lab leak. Only conjecture. On the balance of probabilities, nature, the wet markets, high population cluster and frequent animal encounters with species such as bats etc, was always greater than the probability of a lab leak

I'm pretty sure behind the scenes politicians they also considered a lab leak - but what they say in public has to be tamed

It would do no good to whip up an already xenophobic populous into a frenzy against Chinese. They wanted / needed China on side to get to the bottom of this. Pointing the finger at China so early on when you dont have any evidence except to say 'well it could have been' is just not good enough. So the 'over confidence' on display about it coming from nature or the wet markets etc was probably for that. You dont expect a politician to show all the cards and be straight up with the public and their foreign 'rivals' (China) do you?

But China has burnt all its good will and all its relationships anyway and as we gather more evidence (or absence of evidence on previous ideas such as wet market origin and finding no corona virus samples), then we can narrow down the origin to the lab with confidence

I dont think anyone with a brain believes China would deliberately unleash an unknown and novel virus on the world starting with its own population. If they really wanted to do something like that, they would just take it to another country. But again, why would they because the outcome of a trashed world economy is going to hit China pretty hard too given they do business with the world

One conspiracy theory that can be debunked for all time is that this virus was man made. If it were, scientists the world over could spot the telltale signs it has no natural origin. There is universal agreement of any scientist worth their salt it's of a natural origin

Of course, videos like these are funny to mix. Hindsight is a wonderful thing and everything ever said these days is forever. You've even got a clip of our PM in there. Ugh! I notice the video was very selective in what it clipped.... Our government back in April 2020 called for an 'independent investigation into the origins' (you dont see that in your video) and thus China cracked the shits (and the fact they got so angry at the idea of an independent investigation kind of hints they had something to hide)




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« Reply #5030 on: February 03, 2022, 07:39:19 AM »
The video is a criticism of the media, not the lab in China, and not elected officials. Of course elected officials lie or fudge the truth, but the media shouldn't just go along with it.
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« Reply #5031 on: February 03, 2022, 08:10:05 AM »
The video is a criticism of the media, not the lab in China, and not elected officials. Of course elected officials lie or fudge the truth, but the media shouldn't just go along with it.

What evidence did the media have to say it came from a lab? Many of the clips in there were from media simply showing politicians and officials parroting the 'its not from the lab'. You can hardly fault the media for reporting/showing what the politicians were saying

In the absence of evidence, and on the weight of probabilities (a lab leak being pretty low), it would be a conspiracy to say it's a lab leak and there is a cover up. That doesn't make it false though, but you would be rightly called a conspiracy theorist to claim (without evidence) that the origin was a lab leak.

So yes - you parrot the most likely reasons and you dont give a lot of credence to less likely reasons. The media would honestly lose credibility if they delved into conspiracy theories without evidence as the most likely explanation.

However it was as far back as April 2020 when the world was already calling for independent investigations. Literally only 2-3 months after this started to creep out of China and be detected around the world anyway.

Would be nice to have a crystal ball that tells us the answers on day 1 but all we can do is follow the data and report what we know and speculate based on what we have the most confidence in

I see the video as comedy - but it's a leap to say its an indictment on the media

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« Reply #5032 on: February 03, 2022, 09:12:52 AM »
A lot of this whole lab leak discussion was muddied up beyond hope when Trump started baseless conspiracy theories about China intentionally creating this virus to attack us.

So when someone pushed back against the lab leak idea its hard to tell if they're saying it because orange man bad, or because Trump made shit up about it without a shred of evidence or because Trump stated it in a way that sounded sort of racist or if they're actually debating an opinion by an informed member of the scientific community who has concerns brought out in good faith.
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« Reply #5033 on: February 03, 2022, 09:26:15 AM »
To be clear, my own belief is that someone in the Wuhan lab fucked up.

In the beginning like a lot of people, my confidence that this came from a natural source was greater than that this leaked out of a lab. There must be hundreds if not thousands of labs studying viruses all over the world. How many of them have screwed up and had a breach? How many interactions between animals and humans happen? Each one gives a small chance of a zoonotic pathogen transfer. And those 'wet markets' aren't exactly hygienic and as humans move in and occupy more territory that belonged to animals - on probability, it is just a matter of time we get something just like this sars pandemic

Now if I (and the media), were to keep peddling that line in light of what we have slowly become to know (and frankly Chinas continued belligerence and secrecy is rather telling too), then you could call the media shit for not updating its information and holding stubborn

But if the media delivers information that is more evidence based and reasoned - and as we learn things we adapt what we say - then whats wrong with that? Sure... you can make a funny clip show and condense 2 years of learning into 5 minutes and it makes it sound silly and contradictory... Good for a laugh

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« Reply #5034 on: February 03, 2022, 10:58:35 AM »
I suspected the lab right away, because SARS already leaked from labs twice before. Labs, no matter which country they're in, have accidents. People make mistakes.

I love China, I don't hate Chinese people (their govt sucks, but so does mine, I still prefer this shitty democracy, tho).  The media and Twitter sjws immediately went into the idea that saying it leaked from a lab was putting Asian Americans in danger. I don't think the origin of the virus mattered to the people attacking Asians, other than it was from China. There's a lot of anti Asian shit in the US that I wasn't even aware of before.

The media were so much about being against Trump, which I understand, but they shouldn't have let it get in the way of their job.
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« Reply #5035 on: February 04, 2022, 03:26:21 AM »
You would say the democrats are nazi sympathizers because they want you to wear a mask.
No, I say they are NAZI's because they are. The entirety of them, commencing with their great-great-great grandpa Samuel Prescott Bush and progressing right down the line.
Even if she wakes up every morning shouting Heil Hitler,  it doesn't change how fucked up the Front Line Doctors are. More from that article

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On July 27, 2020, a small group of doctors assembled on the steps of the Supreme Court for a news conference. At the time, President Donald Trump was pushing for governors to reopen their states and conservatives had grown increasingly frustrated with lockdown measures. The physicians, who wore white lab coats embroidered with the AFLD logo, had come to repeat a range of White House talking points. They claimed the mental toll of the lockdowns was worse than the virus itself, that hydroxychloroquine was an effective treatment for COVID-19 and that masks weren’t necessary—all of which had been contradicted by U.S. health officials.

To the extent that the mainstream medical community paid attention to the group at all, it was to point out that these doctors making misstatements lacked the expertise to comment. There was no evidence that any of the doctors who spoke that day had treated patients severely ill with the virus, according to MedPage Today, a peer-reviewed medical news site. None of them were infectious-disease experts or worked in intensive-care units during the pandemic. One was best known for promoting bizarre religious beliefs, including tweeting that America needed “deliverance from demon sperm” because people were falling ill from having sex with demons and witches in their dreams. Two of the “frontline” doctors were ophthalmologists, only one of whom was still licensed.

HAHAHAHA. What a bunch of loonies. And these con artists are your go to for covid treatment information? Apart from being batshit crazy, they appear to not even be qualified to know what the hell the yare talking about

You embarrass yourself aligning with these freaks.

It's 2022 now. And yet there is no proper randomized controlled clinical trials that say ivermectin is great against covid. There are a lot of charlatans like the Front Line Doctors who con people into thinking it's good so they can take their money though

Give them yours.



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Lockdowns didn't work and probably cost more lives than they saved:
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« Reply #5036 on: February 04, 2022, 03:31:53 AM »

I dont think anyone with a brain believes China would deliberately unleash an unknown and novel virus on the world starting with its own population.
As evidenced by their history since Mao!

You really post a lot of worthless opinions.
One conspiracy theory that can be debunked for all time is that this virus was man made. If it were, scientists the world over could spot the telltale signs it has no natural origin. There is universal agreement of any scientist worth their salt it's of a natural origin.
Only a matter of time before this^ too will be shown to be pure bullshit.

Gain of function makes it man-made.

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« Reply #5037 on: February 04, 2022, 04:09:48 AM »
You would say the democrats are nazi sympathizers because they want you to wear a mask.
No, I say they are NAZI's because I say so blah blah blah
So, just your usual biased BS wrong think. Ok.

Gain of function makes it man-made.

Gain of function doesn't make it man made in the context people said the virus was man made. Gain of Function is retconning the original phrase. As yet, gain of function is only speculation and there is no evidence this is the case unless of course you have some slam dunk evidence that the rest of the world would love to see

China certainly have a lot of shit to explain here, no question about that, but making claims with only speculations and heavy bias is not the way. Collect your data and gather your evidence. Preferably without bias, agenda and already deciding the what the conclusion is before you start. Keep your investigation open to whatever the truth is. Not just what you want or think it should be

But tell me.... If Dr Fauci or Biden started talking about witches and demon sperm..... What would you say?

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« Reply #5038 on: February 04, 2022, 04:28:29 AM »
You would say the democrats are nazi sympathizers because they want you to wear a mask.
No, I say they are NAZI's because I say so blah blah blah
So, just your usual biased BS wrong think. Ok.
No, as evidenced by their traced, undying loyalty and fealty to National Democratic and Socialist Party (NAZI) philosophy and ideals, as promulgated and pushed by the neocon Bush criminal family and their subsequent followers.
Gain of function makes it man-made.
Gain of function doesn't make it man made in the context people said the virus was man made. Gain of Function is retconning the original phrase. As yet, gain of function is only speculation and there is no evidence this is the case unless of course you have some slam dunk evidence that the rest of the world would love to see.
Gain of function certainly does make it man made.

Gain of function is not speculation, and has been addressed in the e-mails from Fraud Fauci and Fraud Frances.
China certainly have a lot of shit to explain here, no question about that, but making claims with only speculations and heavy bias is not the way. Collect your data and gather your evidence. Preferably without bias, agenda and already deciding the what the conclusion is before you start. Keep your investigation open to whatever the truth is. Not just what you want or think it should be

But tell me.... If Dr Fauci or Biden started talking about witches and demon sperm..... What would you say?
They already talk these subjects on a regular basis. Anyone who claims: "If you attack me, you are attacking science," as did Fraud Fauci, is an open advocate of witchcraft.

Anyone who advocates for mandates in place of legislation, as did Biden, is a dictator and practitioner of necromancy.

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« Reply #5039 on: February 04, 2022, 04:47:52 AM »
China certainly have a lot of shit to explain here, no question about that, but making claims with only speculations and heavy bias is not the way. Collect your data and gather your evidence. Preferably without bias, agenda and already deciding the what the conclusion is before you start. Keep your investigation open to whatever the truth is. Not just what you want or think it should be

But tell me.... If Dr Fauci or Biden started talking about witches and demon sperm..... What would you say?

They already talk these subjects on a regular basis. Anyone who claims: "If you attack me, you are attacking science," as did Fraud Fauci, is an open advocate of witchcraft.

Anyone who advocates for mandates in place of legislation, as did Biden, is a dictator and practitioner of necromancy.
Ah, I see. Just BS QAnon troll talking points that an ingrate like you fell for. Well I can certainly see why you think that. But as evidenced by 100% of your posts, what you think is not what the reality is


You would say the democrats are nazi sympathizers because they want you to wear a mask.
No, I say they are NAZI's because I say so blah blah blah
So, just your usual biased BS wrong think. Ok.
No, as evidenced by their traced, undying loyalty and fealty to National Democratic and Socialist Party (NAZI) philosophy and ideals, as promulgated and pushed by the neocon Bush criminal family and their subsequent followers.
So not actually NAZIs. It was just your usual BS retorts that have no basis in reality. Just because you say something, doesn't make that something true


Gain of function makes it man-made.
Gain of function doesn't make it man made in the context people said the virus was man made. Gain of Function is retconning the original phrase. As yet, gain of function is only speculation and there is no evidence this is the case unless of course you have some slam dunk evidence that the rest of the world would love to see.
Gain of function certainly does make it man made.
When you guys were saying this virus was man made. That's was your claim. Depsite thousands of scientists the world over, who had nothing to do with each other except that they know (unlike you)m what the fuck they are talking about, saying 'actually no, it's not'

When you lost that argument you found this to try. As yet, you still dont have evidence. And lets say it's true, it means this virus has been altered. Not 'made'. But there is no evidence the Wuhan lab was doing gain of function research. Certainly not at the behest of Fauci

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In a congressional hearing on May 11, 2021 about Anthony Fauci's role as the Chief Medical Advisor to the United States Office of the President, senator Rand Paul stated that "the U.S. has been collaborating with Shi Zhengli of the Wuhan Virology Institute, sharing discoveries about how to create super viruses. This gain-of-function research has been funded by the NIH." Fauci responded "with all due respect, you are entirely and completely incorrect...the NIH has not ever and does not now fund gain-of-function research [conducted at] the Wuhan Institute of Virology."[82] The Washington Post fact-checking team later rated Paul's statements as containing "significant omissions and/or exaggerations".[82][83] NIH funding to the EcoHealth Alliance and later sub-contracted to the Wuhan Institute of Virology was not to support gain-of-function experiments, but instead to enable the collection of bat samples in the wild.[82][84] EcoHealth Alliance spokesperson Robert Kessler has also categorically denied the accusation.[82]

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