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« Reply #4920 on: January 31, 2022, 06:52:43 AM »
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CZYQ_nDJi6G/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Okay.  So Joe Rogan is going to make an effort.  That's good news I think.

The whole balancing it out thing has me a little concerned.  It makes me think of the way CNN balanced things out with climate deniers.
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« Reply #4921 on: January 31, 2022, 07:13:43 AM »

It’s a bit of a shame, he seems a genuinely nice guy, I used to listen to him a lot when he had people like Eddie Izzard and Brian Cox, but Jordan Peterson doing climate denial from the book of corporate greed and that whiney Ben Shapiro and all the anti-vax shit, I pass by.
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« Reply #4922 on: January 31, 2022, 07:27:42 AM »
Pos Trudeau is trying to flex his power and he can only do it a few ways.
This trucker nonsense being one of them.

However.
All trvalers were already required to show vax as of aug, before coming into canada so i dont understand why uts a surprise all of a sudden.


Also also
Truckers are highhly mobile so they can spread town-town very easily.
Specailly if theyre eating in restuarants.
But given theyre mostly solitary its highly unlikely unless you seeing explosions in the hwy stripper population.... which btw some strippers are mirgatory, just like comics, they tour around.

So i dont see truckers being that bad.

Its the families and the factories/ warehouses which everyones done pisspoor job of providing workarounds and tracing.

Alternarives If the trucker says no to vax their enployer can pay a super high insurance fee if we have to hospitalize them.
Our inept govt is very poor at thinking outside the box.

should point out that i'm not at all familiar with the innuit far north communities, but i doubt they hvae much outside town interactions or available medical staff.
any outbreaks would be devastating.
that said, trucks en route there could be put on watch lists.
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« Reply #4923 on: January 31, 2022, 08:38:50 AM »

It’s a bit of a shame, he seems a genuinely nice guy, I used to listen to him a lot when he had people like Eddie Izzard and Brian Cox, but Jordan Peterson doing climate denial from the book of corporate greed and that whiney Ben Shapiro and all the anti-vax shit, I pass by.
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« Reply #4924 on: January 31, 2022, 08:52:00 AM »
I just watched Joe Rogan's instagram video, then I read the reaction to it. Most people see that he's a good guy, and not intentionally spreading misinformation, but there's a certain strain of very online shitty lefties who are mad because he said he's sorry he pissed people off (because saying it that way is a "non-apology" and not just how normal people apologize). They don't even mention that he says he is in favor of Spotify putting content warnings on his podcasts, and that he is going to do better in the future to have guests with counter opinions to the controversial ones. I bet most of them didn't cancel their Spotify acct, because they didn't have one to begin with.
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« Reply #4925 on: January 31, 2022, 09:38:36 AM »
I never listened to the joe rogan podcast until now. Csn anybody tell me the podcast name that is controversial/has the covid misinformation in it?
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« Reply #4926 on: January 31, 2022, 09:42:15 AM »
I never listened to the joe rogan podcast until now. Csn anybody tell me the podcast name that is controversial/has the covid misinformation in it?

I don't know the episode numbers but search for Eric Weinstein, Robert Malone and Pierre Kory.

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« Reply #4927 on: January 31, 2022, 10:00:38 AM »
Which one is the most worth it to listen?
(Worth it as in most controversial)
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« Reply #4928 on: January 31, 2022, 10:20:47 AM »
It's pretty funny that two ancient Canadian/Laurel Canyon hippie musicians sparked enough of a shitstorm to get Spotify, the by far biggest audio media provider on the planet, to reassess and address, for right or wrong, something...and Rogan, the by far biggest podcaster/loudest voice on the planet, to have to address, for right or wrong, something.

Seems that both Spotify & Rogan could have easily just blown off the whole situation. I wonder what actually compelled them to even bother with it.

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« Reply #4929 on: January 31, 2022, 10:27:49 AM »
Joe Rogan definitely could have blown it off, because he's under contract, but I think he didn't because he actually cares about it. People want to make him out as some really bad guy because he talks to the wrongthinkers, but he's always just seemed like he was curious about things, to me.



People are still mad because he "platformed" Alex Jones, but I go back and watch this clip all the time because it's hilarious. (I love the cartoon version)
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« Reply #4930 on: January 31, 2022, 10:31:02 AM »
It's pretty funny that two ancient Canadian/Laurel Canyon hippie musicians sparked enough of a shitstorm to get Spotify, the by far biggest audio media provider on the planet, to reassess and address, for right or wrong, something...and Rogan, the by far biggest podcaster/loudest voice on the planet, to have to address, for right or wrong, something.

Seems that both Spotify & Rogan could have easily just blown off the whole situation. I wonder what actually compelled them to even bother with it.

The possibility of more musicians jumping ship.  Just my guess.

When I evaluate a streaming service one of my deal breakers is not being able to find a song I'm looking for.  If it happens too often then I think the service is broken and I look for another one.  I think a lot of people operate this way too.

There's also the money aspect.  A lot of these guys don't get paid much by spotify.  I could see a situation where a bunch of them might be threatening to leave while publicly saying it's about Rogan but privately using it as negotiating leverage.
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« Reply #4931 on: January 31, 2022, 10:32:31 AM »
Which one is the most worth it to listen?
(Worth it as in most controversial)

I haven't seen all of them but I'm going to guess the one with Malone.  He's making the biggest antivax claims.
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« Reply #4932 on: January 31, 2022, 10:43:42 AM »
At the end of the day, it's all a money thing, I'm sure.

I can't really say one way or the other that Joe really "cares". Maybe, maybe not. I've enjoyed many of his podcasts. Probably the best one I've ever seen/heard from anyone was one of his interviewing a cave diving spelunker guy who got trapped and lost and how he made it out. I was on pins and needles the whole time. A really good interview and great questions from Joe to really tease out the drama.

But the misinformation thing is a slippery slope, one person's misinformation is another persons facts. It's a weird time, though misinformation has been around since the dawn of humanity, our current media accessibility and motivations just make it more prevalent and instantaneous.

Joe does kind of bug me when he gets all like this, especially with more ludicrous notions:


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« Reply #4933 on: January 31, 2022, 11:29:43 AM »
I never heard of him before this.  Never cared to.  But if he's appologizing or isn't siding with misinformation (as opposed to just showing it to get that side) I have no issue with him. 

Like, why not host antiVaxxers so you can get their point of view?  At the very least you can ensure that, yes, they are wrong.
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« Reply #4934 on: January 31, 2022, 11:32:59 AM »
Right? People think if you can deplatform someone like Joe Rogan he's just going to disappear, and all the misinformation will disappear. Why not have it out in the open, where people can debunk it?


Also, my favorite JRE was the Paul Stamets interview. SHROOMS!
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« Reply #4935 on: January 31, 2022, 11:56:23 AM »
I never heard of him before this.  Never cared to.  But if he's appologizing or isn't siding with misinformation (as opposed to just showing it to get that side) I have no issue with him. 

Like, why not host antiVaxxers so you can get their point of view?  At the very least you can ensure that, yes, they are wrong.

He isn't technically siding with misinformation in the same way Alex Jones didn't technically side with people harassing the families of the victims of mass shooters.

Covid stuff aside he does have a lot of really interesting interviews.  There's one where he interviewed the director of this documentary, https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7983794/.  I've never seen this documentary but the things this guy had to do to talk to the people involved was pretty wild.  One guy was in a prison in South America.  They wouldn't just let in some filmmaker to interview prisoners so his producer just bribed a guard to let him in and hilarity ensues.
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« Reply #4936 on: January 31, 2022, 12:19:55 PM »
I never heard of him before this.  Never cared to.  But if he's appologizing or isn't siding with misinformation (as opposed to just showing it to get that side) I have no issue with him. 

Like, why not host antiVaxxers so you can get their point of view?  At the very least you can ensure that, yes, they are wrong.

The science and data is in and well established. Like the shape of the earth, or man made climate change, you don't get an 'opinion' on vaccines.

Joe isn't just some moderator airing differing points of view. He's pushing bullshit myths about vaccination, about its effectiveness, about its safety and other rubbish nonsense treatments like those z packs or Ivermectin. Even if he's not pushing an anti government agenda, his rhetoric is pushing a greater level of distrust for government, and institutions of science and healthcare

There are people who may have listened to Joe's 'advice' and are dead now because if it. Or maybe innocent people getting caught up in the infected chain and dead or injured

Joe might be a 'nice guy' but he's a complete moron who needs to be schooled. I don't blame other people for feeling uncomfortable being on a platform which is helping to facilitate misery, death and anti social sentiments




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« Reply #4937 on: January 31, 2022, 12:24:51 PM »
I never heard of him before this.  Never cared to.  But if he's appologizing or isn't siding with misinformation (as opposed to just showing it to get that side) I have no issue with him. 

Like, why not host antiVaxxers so you can get their point of view?  At the very least you can ensure that, yes, they are wrong.

The science and data is in and well established. Like the shape of the earth, or man made climate change, you don't get an 'opinion' on vaccines.

Joe isn't just some moderator airing differing points of view. He's pushing bullshit myths about vaccination, about its effectiveness, about its safety and other rubbish nonsense treatments like those z packs or Ivermectin. Even if he's not pushing an anti government agenda, his rhetoric is pushing a greater level of distrust for government, and institutions of science and healthcare

There are people who may have listened to Joe's 'advice' and are dead now because if it. Or maybe innocent people getting caught up in the infected chain and dead or injured

Joe might be a 'nice guy' but he's a complete moron who needs to be schooled. I don't blame other people for feeling uncomfortable being on a platform which is helping to facilitate misery, death and anti social sentiments
You haven't even listened to him or his guests. Shifter is a good MSM parrot.
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« Reply #4938 on: January 31, 2022, 12:27:05 PM »
I never heard of him before this.  Never cared to.  But if he's appologizing or isn't siding with misinformation (as opposed to just showing it to get that side) I have no issue with him. 

Like, why not host antiVaxxers so you can get their point of view?  At the very least you can ensure that, yes, they are wrong.

The science and data is in and well established. Like the shape of the earth, or man made climate change, you don't get an 'opinion' on vaccines.

Joe isn't just some moderator airing differing points of view. He's pushing bullshit myths about vaccination, about its effectiveness, about its safety and other rubbish nonsense treatments like those z packs or Ivermectin. Even if he's not pushing an anti government agenda, his rhetoric is pushing a greater level of distrust for government, and institutions of science and healthcare

There are people who may have listened to Joe's 'advice' and are dead now because if it. Or maybe innocent people getting caught up in the infected chain and dead or injured

Joe might be a 'nice guy' but he's a complete moron who needs to be schooled. I don't blame other people for feeling uncomfortable being on a platform which is helping to facilitate misery, death and anti social sentiments
You haven't even listened to him or his guests. Shifter is a good MSM parrot.

You haven't even researched vaccination

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« Reply #4939 on: January 31, 2022, 12:27:12 PM »
Right? People think if you can deplatform someone like Joe Rogan he's just going to disappear, and all the misinformation will disappear. Why not have it out in the open, where people can debunk it?


Also, my favorite JRE was the Paul Stamets interview. SHROOMS!

I think the problem is more around the cult of personality/celebrity and how people digest info based upon that. There's nothing wrong with alternative POV's. The problem is when information is attached to a personality and because of that, depending upon how people identify, loathe or like said personality, the personal internal substantiation of whatever is presented is attached to the perceived credibility or lack there of of the personality and not necessarily the information.

This is not new, obvi. It's kind of our nature. Look at the age of Cronkrite. When he reported the nightly news it was coming out of the mouth of the most respected vox in America. We attached info to him probably more so than the standalone veracity of the info itself.

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« Reply #4940 on: January 31, 2022, 12:40:06 PM »
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=Covid+vaccine+systematic+review&btnG=

Anyone can read summaries of hundreds to thousands of proper studies about covid vaccines in minutes looking at systematic reviews. There is no bias or propaganda here. It's all research, data and evidence based. If people like Joe took 5 or 10 minutes out of their day and looked at this, they would realise the shit they've been peddling has been utterly false


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« Reply #4941 on: January 31, 2022, 12:43:01 PM »
https://www.10tv.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/vaccine/man-denied-kidney-transplant-after-refusing-to-get-covid-19-vaccine/530-cc1435e4-cda1-4535-b0b1-208e2141af7c

"‘I’m willing to die’: Man denied kidney transplant after refusing to get COVID-19 vaccine"

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« Reply #4942 on: January 31, 2022, 01:23:43 PM »
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=Covid+vaccine+systematic+review&btnG=

Anyone can read summaries of hundreds to thousands of proper studies about covid vaccines in minutes looking at systematic reviews. There is no bias or propaganda here. It's all research, data and evidence based. If people like Joe took 5 or 10 minutes out of their day and looked at this, they would realise the shit they've been peddling has been utterly false

https://www.10tv.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/vaccine/man-denied-kidney-transplant-after-refusing-to-get-covid-19-vaccine/530-cc1435e4-cda1-4535-b0b1-208e2141af7c

"‘I’m willing to die’: Man denied kidney transplant after refusing to get COVID-19 vaccine"

What is wrong with these people?

At this point, its no longer an opinion, its a belief.  Faith.  And one does not question faith nor turn away from it.  One doubles down and dies for it because that's how you show dedication.
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« Reply #4943 on: January 31, 2022, 03:33:37 PM »
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/japans-kowa-says-ivermectin-effective-against-omicron-phase-iii-trial-2022-01-31/

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TOKYO, Jan 31 (Reuters) - Japanese trading and pharmaceuticals company Kowa Co Ltd (7807.T) on Monday said that anti-parasite drug ivermectin showed an "antiviral effect" against Omicron and other coronavirus variants in joint non-clinical research.

The company, which has been working with Tokyo's Kitasato University on testing the drug as a potential treatment for COVID-19, did not provide further details. The original Reuters story misstated that ivermectin was "effective" against Omicron in Phase III clinical trials, which are conducted in humans.

Clinical trials are ongoing, but promotion of ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment has generated controversy.

Prominent vaccine sceptic Joe Rogan, whose podcast on Spotify has prompted protests by singers Joni Mitchell and Neil Young, has long stirred controversy with his views on the pandemic, government mandates and COVID-19 vaccines.

Rogan has questioned the need for vaccines and said he used ivermectin.

It's so bizarre that Reuters shoehorned Joe Rogan into an article about Japan and Ivermectin. 
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« Reply #4945 on: January 31, 2022, 04:02:15 PM »
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/japans-kowa-says-ivermectin-effective-against-omicron-phase-iii-trial-2022-01-31/

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TOKYO, Jan 31 (Reuters) - Japanese trading and pharmaceuticals company Kowa Co Ltd (7807.T) on Monday said that anti-parasite drug ivermectin showed an "antiviral effect" against Omicron and other coronavirus variants in joint non-clinical research.

The company, which has been working with Tokyo's Kitasato University on testing the drug as a potential treatment for COVID-19, did not provide further details. The original Reuters story misstated that ivermectin was "effective" against Omicron in Phase III clinical trials, which are conducted in humans.

Clinical trials are ongoing, but promotion of ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment has generated controversy.

Prominent vaccine sceptic Joe Rogan, whose podcast on Spotify has prompted protests by singers Joni Mitchell and Neil Young, has long stirred controversy with his views on the pandemic, government mandates and COVID-19 vaccines.

Rogan has questioned the need for vaccines and said he used ivermectin.

It's so bizarre that Reuters shoehorned Joe Rogan into an article about Japan and Ivermectin. 
Almost 2 years since it was touted as a treatment or cure and what do we know about Ivermectin?

It either doesn't do anything or it has a negative effect. It's certainly not better than a vaccine which you don't need to be afflicted with a serious and potentially life threatening disease first. Happy for someone to look at systematic reviews of Ivermectin to treat covid and show me one where it definitely works and where it's use is recommended as a global health policy. I sure as hell cant find it.

We went from no covid vaccine, to delivering 10 billion doses of one in 2 years and have thousands and thousands of papers that definitively demonstrate its safety and effectiveness

Ivermectin has been around since 1975 and used in medicine since 1981. It's well understood. Yet despite all its hype and research into its treatment for covid, there is nothing that says it actually works against the virus in the real world. It's just another bullshit claim like the malaria drug chloroquine.

It's like me peddling vitamin c to cure a cold. You take it and you feel better. You credit the vitamin and not your immune system

Remember, as anti vaxxers like to point out, covid is 99% survivable. You get covid, take Ivermectin and recover. Was it Ivermectin? Or just being a part of the 99%



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« Reply #4946 on: January 31, 2022, 05:20:11 PM »
This article is really good. I have noticed the weirdness with some people on the left. https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/covid-as-liberal-911  If you're triple vaxxed TO THE MAX why can't you get back to "normal" why are the unvaccinated so infuriating? Omicron is coming for everyone, you might as well live a little.
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« Reply #4947 on: January 31, 2022, 05:36:11 PM »
This article is really good. I have noticed the weirdness with some people on the left. https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/covid-as-liberal-911  If you're triple vaxxed TO THE MAX why can't you get back to "normal" why are the unvaccinated so infuriating? Omicron is coming for everyone, you might as well live a little.

Because unvaccinated people are crippling the health care system which is impacting everyone, including vaccinated peoples, lives

It's not so bad in my city, but other cities the health care system is so strained, people who have had heart attacks have died waiting hours (not the usual minutes) for an ambulance

Plenty of the problem is also people calling for an ambulance because they self tested positive and not actually on any danger. Or because a large chunk of the workforce is off sick because they were deemed 'close contacts' even if fully vaccinated and not symptomatic

I can only imagine how bad it would be if only a tad over 60% of people were only vaccinated instead of close to 95%

Personally as a VAXXED TO THE MAX individual, I do get on with my life. I wear a mask in public to mitigate risk but that's it. That's no problem. Back to normal. Will probably get an 'unofficial' booster of the omicron variant later but it is what it is.



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« Reply #4948 on: January 31, 2022, 06:22:39 PM »
only if you're young
60-90%effective meaning 4 out of 10 people it could still be bad.
from the delta and the original.
an old man hockey

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« Reply #4949 on: January 31, 2022, 06:39:23 PM »
Pos Trudeau is trying to flex his power and he can only do it a few ways.
This trucker nonsense being one of them.

However.
All trvalers were already required to show vax as of aug, before coming into canada so i dont understand why uts a surprise all of a sudden.


Also also
Truckers are highhly mobile so they can spread town-town very easily.
Specailly if theyre eating in restuarants.
But given theyre mostly solitary its highly unlikely unless you seeing explosions in the hwy stripper population.... which btw some strippers are mirgatory, just like comics, they tour around.

So i dont see truckers being that bad.

Its the families and the factories/ warehouses which everyones done pisspoor job of providing workarounds and tracing.

Alternarives If the trucker says no to vax their enployer can pay a super high insurance fee if we have to hospitalize them.
Our inept govt is very poor at thinking outside the box.

should point out that i'm not at all familiar with the innuit far north communities, but i doubt they hvae much outside town interactions or available medical staff.
any outbreaks would be devastating.
that said, trucks en route there could be put on watch lists.
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10% of the truckers assoc are antivax
<200 trucks and a whole lot of other people with nothing better to do with their time.



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