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But they say the bodys reaction is assympotmatic the 2nd time.
Cytokine storm is not an issue.

Thats pretty much the definition of immunity.

Quote from: Themightykabool on November 18, 2020, 09:11:24 AM

But they say the bodys reaction is assympotmatic the 2nd time.
Cytokine storm is not an issue.

That's not true for the first confirmed reinfection in the US (which was worse), or the first death from a reinfection that happened recently in Europe (they died on the second go-round, so definitely a worse outcome).

Those are all very rare cases that can easily be explained with immune defects, hiv, immunosuppressive meds etc. As long as we dont see way higher infection rates in people that had already, you are likely immune after you got it.

It's a weird one.

Two weeks back my daughters boy friend caught it despite rarely going out, they were both tested, he had it, she didn't. The local health authority asked if they would be part of a study and they agreed.
They sent two fully togged up health workers round to take bloods swabs and to test all surfaces, left them with sample bags for all body wastes. Then they got the results, he still had it she didn't.
A week later she fell ill, sore throat feeling grim, in bed for two days sweating, they came round again, rinse repeat. The results came back, he still showed she didn't, she just got the results of a third visit, same results and they implied she was just having sympathy pains, now she isn't the hysterical type and is adamant she had what he had but the health workers are having none of it, she's a bit pissed with them.

Now my wife works as an infection control nurse for our local health service, and early on in this she was training staff how to properly fix masks, which involved the trainees donning a hood with the mask on and she would introduce a saccharin spray, if they could taste it they failed, as a precaution after they passed she would ask them to break the seal on the mask partly to give them confidence that they worked but also because about one in a hundred people can't taste the saccharin, in this case they were asked to do it again with something called bitterex, which as the name suggests is foul.
A couple of them couldn't taste either which was unprecedented (she'd done this many times before for staff on acute wards), when she asked them if they thought they had had Covid, they said yes but they had been tested and it had come back negative.

This is anecdotal but she has checked around and quite a few of the other trainers have had similar stories, when she asked the medical officer about this they too wouldn't give it credence.

In the firet few days after infection, false negative is basicslly guaranteed. Seems like it happened here.

sweden has flipped their stance.
S dakota is failing.
time to give up.


Now, if your stance is to Thanos this bitch up, then i can respect that.
But it's not.
GTFO!

Quote from: Themightykabool on November 18, 2020, 01:13:43 PM

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Quote from: boydster on November 18, 2020, 11:38:52 AM

The corone is a fickle beast. But with Pfizer and Moderna both trying to get to market ASAP, hopefully that puts us a little closer to going back to a more normal way of life.

Given the rate of death and more than a million infections every week now, you would think getting the vaccine out, even if it is rushed would be better than a cautious 'fools rush in' approach

Vaccines are unlikely to kill people and this has gone through several trials already. Covid is exponentially more likely to do harm than a vaccine. At worst, the vaccine may not be as effective as hoped. It would still provide some kind of relief. Or at least, an answer as to whether it works in a large scale or at least for how long it is effective

Just get it out there already. Or do we wait until covid mutates more and more to the point where the vaccine we have put our hopes on is useless?

already mutated.
new strain came from a give-take with european mink farms.

also, don't believe the big pharma.
this is just stock posturing.

If what you are saying is true, it's not "stock posturing." It's market manipulation, and it's the kind of thing people can go to jail for. That's not even accounting for the possibility that in addition to telling stories, they are falsifying the data to generate those headlines. What you are saying isn't impossible, but it's incredibly unlikely.

What is being claimed here is very much the stuff that would actually send company management to jail.  This would be the very definition of defrauding investors.  The only thing that can make rich people go to jail is stealing money from other rich people.

Yep.  Learn from Martin Shkreli.

Extort the sick and dying with astronomical drug pricing, totally fine.  That's just capitalism.

Lie to your investors?  Well now we have a problem.  It was all well and good when he was screwing poor people for money.  But the rich, we won't stand for that.

it's not a lie.
it's an alternative fact.
a nonzero response to the question "does your vaccine work?".
 - "94% yes, we tested the vaccine on 100 persons and it works 94% of the time".

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20201109005539/en/%C2%A0Pfizer-and-BioNTech-Announce-Vaccine-Candidate-Against-COVID-19-Achieved-Success-in-First-Interim-Analysis-from-Phase-3-Study

Vaccine candidate was found to be more than 90% effective in preventing COVID-19 in participants without evidence of prior SARS-CoV-2 infection in the first interim efficacy analysis
Analysis evaluated 94 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in trial participants[\b]
Study enrolled 43,538 participants, with 42% having diverse backgrounds, and no serious safety concerns have been observed; Safety and additional efficacy data continue to be collected
Submission for Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) planned for soon after the required safety milestone is achieved, which is currently expected to occur in the third week of November
Clinical trial to continue through to final analysis at 164 confirmed cases in order to collect further data and characterize the vaccine candidate’s performance against other study endpoints

Pfizer Disclosure Notice

The information contained in this release is as of November 9, 2020. Pfizer assumes no obligation to update forward-looking statements contained in this release as the result of new information or future events or developments.


side note
dog food is deemed safe if it doesn't kill the dog within 2wks.
how long have they had to check for adverse safety concerns?


side side note
and all until the mink strain comes out.
also
cats and dogs get it too.
so we have 3 possible mutant strains coming out.

Are you high? What's your point here?

https://investors.pfizer.com/investor-news/press-release-details/2008/FDA-Approves-First-and-Only-Single-Dose-Antibiotic-for-Dogs-and-Cats/default.aspx

A quick search on Convenia reveals how deadly this shit is for pets despite their marketing fluff of how safe it is. My own cat was killed by this injection so Pfizer can cram their vaccine up their arse.

Pfizer is pretty dodgy. Like Merck with its Vioxx. I won't rush to get on line for their jab

https://investors.pfizer.com/investor-news/press-release-details/2008/FDA-Approves-First-and-Only-Single-Dose-Antibiotic-for-Dogs-and-Cats/default.aspx

A quick search on Convenia reveals how deadly this shit is for pets despite their marketing fluff of how safe it is. My own cat was killed by this injection so Pfizer can cram their vaccine up their arse.

Pfizer is pretty dodgy. Like Merck with its Vioxx. I won't rush to get on line for their jab

- Human and animal department probably have nothing in common; different people at different locations
- Humand and animal regulations are completely different
- Humans can die from antibiotics, too (anaphylactic shock, allergic reactions). Point is, if much fewer people die because of antibiotics than would be dying without them, it's worth it. Same for animals.

side side note
and all until the mink strain comes out.
also
cats and dogs get it too.
so we have 3 possible mutant strains coming out.

But do humans get the mink/dog/cat strains?

Yes
It went humna-mink-human.



Also
World cases is estimated 56M.
With pop at 7B!
If the vaccine turns out to be a shit deadly at even 0.00001% and we have all these fearsome people scrambling to get first dibs, lets say we get all first g20 world pop at 4B then it is a big deal if the vaccine is bad, because the cure is just as deadly/ hazardous.
And everyones actively trying to get their hands on it.

Yep, def. a troll

Yes
It went humna-mink-human.

Citation please.

Quote from: Themightykabool on November 19, 2020, 01:23:26 PM

Yes
It went humna-mink-human.

Citation please.

I know they said it went from human to minks. The worry is that it could then go from minks back to humans. That's why they want to cull all the minks and end the fur trade

So I don't think it's had the chance to mutate in a mink and get back to us as something different

Yep, def. a troll

Or really drunk.  He used to make sense.

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on November 19, 2020, 01:26:37 PM

Yep, def. a troll

Or really drunk.  He used to make sense.

He occasionally makes sense. He's always posted like this.

Yes
It went humna-mink-human.



Also
World cases is estimated 56M.
With pop at 7B!
If the vaccine turns out to be a shit deadly at even 0.00001% and we have all these fearsome people scrambling to get first dibs, lets say we get all first g20 world pop at 4B then it is a big deal if the vaccine is bad, because the cure is just as deadly/ hazardous.
And everyones actively trying to get their hands on it.

Just for the record:
If 0.00001% of people die from the vaccine and EVERY single person gets vaccinated, then this means that less people die from the vaccine than die from the corone in italy EVERY DAY.

Quote from: Themightykabool on November 19, 2020, 01:23:26 PM

Yes
It went humna-mink-human.



Also
World cases is estimated 56M.
With pop at 7B!
If the vaccine turns out to be a shit deadly at even 0.00001% and we have all these fearsome people scrambling to get first dibs, lets say we get all first g20 world pop at 4B then it is a big deal if the vaccine is bad, because the cure is just as deadly/ hazardous.
And everyones actively trying to get their hands on it.

Just for the record:
If 0.00001% of people die from the vaccine and EVERY single person gets vaccinated, then this means that less people die from the vaccine than die from the corone in italy EVERY DAY.

double check your math.
8,000,000,000 / 10,000 = 800,000.

do you think 1/10000 is equal to 0.00001%?

also I don't even know why I'd answer to such an obvious trolltard.

do you think 1/10000 is equal to 0.00001%?

also I don't even know why I'd answer to such an obvious trolltard.

Give him a break, he's only 3 decimal places off.

Skeletor has the corone.

Skeletor has the corone.

It will only make him stronger.  Covid has a beneficial effect on snake DNA.

blah
should not have put the '%'...
ok gotcha.
good one.
you got me good.
you showed me up.
oh man.

you know what i meant
actually i see even if i meant that i'm still off by a zero.

either way.
it's a made up value i gave it.

and also
sweden's reversing from their awesome plan you've been touting as the best.

you know what i meant
actually i see even if i meant that i'm still off by a zero.

What's a few decimal points among friends?   

do you think 1/10000 is equal to 0.00001%?

Your IQ is not the topic of discussion here.   Sweden's stupidity is the current topic. 

Now Donald Trump Jr has the corone.

Now Donald Trump Jr has the corone.

And Rudy's son, too. It's starting to look like this virus spreads really easily.

I'm pretty sure those brown streaks of viscous oily liquid streaming down Rudy's cheeks at the presser were filled with the corone.

Rudy is the viral agent!