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I heard that Nancy Pelosi has started referring to it as the Trump Virus.

That could go viral  ( pardon the pun )

Quote from: totallackey on July 22, 2020, 08:25:13 AM

When a person writes the words, "WE KNOW," and then tries to float the word, "MAYBE," a few months down the road, I think I will go with the first utterance.

So you don't think that the person might have learned things during those few months that may have caused that person to update their opinion?  Or, maybe that the situation is more nuanced than you care to admit.

Of course.

If they learn something new and it has scientific evidence, it should be spelled out, especially for people like you.

In this case, it hasn't been spelled out and hence your confusion.

It is obvious only the feelings have change, which is what you are all about anyway.

Quote from: totallackey on July 22, 2020, 08:25:13 AM

As if health care workers come from the planet Vulcan.

Health care workers are recruited from the general public...

*sigh*  Healthcare workers work in a much higher risk environment than the general public, therefore their guidance is different than the general public.

That is correct.

And when they are in the high-risk environment, wear the appropriate PPE, including a mask which is recommended by the WHO.

When in community settings, no mask necessary, just like the general public.

"Trump went on to explain the test, saying that after several questions, the doctor returned to the list of words, asking Trump to repeat them. “And you go, ‘person, woman, man, camera, TV.’ They say, ‘That’s amazing. How did you do that?’ ‘I do it because I have like a good memory? Because I’m cognitively there.’”

One list of words that features on the Montreal Cognitive Assessment, the test Trump is referring to, is “Face, velvet, church, daisy, red.”"

A doctor was amazed someone could string five words together?   

I mean, maybe they amazed as they thought Trump was totally retarded and it turns out he's only semi-retarded?

I'm not sure he really gets how stupid this makes him sound.  Also, I don't think he passed it.

Quote from: markjo on July 22, 2020, 08:55:31 AM

Quote from: totallackey on July 22, 2020, 08:25:13 AM

As if health care workers come from the planet Vulcan.

Health care workers are recruited from the general public...

*sigh*  Healthcare workers work in a much higher risk environment than the general public, therefore their guidance is different than the general public.

That is correct.

And when they are in the high-risk environment, wear the appropriate PPE, including a mask which is recommended by the WHO.

When in community settings, no mask necessary, just like the general public.

You still haven't gotten to Table 2 on page 7 yet, have you?

"Trump went on to explain the test, saying that after several questions, the doctor returned to the list of words, asking Trump to repeat them. “And you go, ‘person, woman, man, camera, TV.’ They say, ‘That’s amazing. How did you do that?’ ‘I do it because I have like a good memory? Because I’m cognitively there.’”

One list of words that features on the Montreal Cognitive Assessment, the test Trump is referring to, is “Face, velvet, church, daisy, red.”"

A doctor was amazed someone could string five words together?   

I mean, maybe they amazed as they thought Trump was totally retarded and it turns out he's only semi-retarded?

I'm not sure he really gets how stupid this makes him sound.  Also, I don't think he passed it.

Probably.  Or he's embelishing like crazy, as he usually does.

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on July 23, 2020, 05:59:41 AM

"Trump went on to explain the test, saying that after several questions, the doctor returned to the list of words, asking Trump to repeat them. “And you go, ‘person, woman, man, camera, TV.’ They say, ‘That’s amazing. How did you do that?’ ‘I do it because I have like a good memory? Because I’m cognitively there.’”

One list of words that features on the Montreal Cognitive Assessment, the test Trump is referring to, is “Face, velvet, church, daisy, red.”"

A doctor was amazed someone could string five words together?   

I mean, maybe they amazed as they thought Trump was totally retarded and it turns out he's only semi-retarded?

I'm not sure he really gets how stupid this makes him sound.  Also, I don't think he passed it.

Probably.  Or he's embelishing like crazy, as he usually does.

It's also entirely possible that he just paid someone else to take the test.

Quote from: totallackey on July 23, 2020, 03:46:44 AM

Quote from: markjo on July 22, 2020, 08:55:31 AM

Quote from: totallackey on July 22, 2020, 08:25:13 AM

As if health care workers come from the planet Vulcan.

Health care workers are recruited from the general public...

*sigh*  Healthcare workers work in a much higher risk environment than the general public, therefore their guidance is different than the general public.

That is correct.

And when they are in the high-risk environment, wear the appropriate PPE, including a mask which is recommended by the WHO.

When in community settings, no mask necessary, just like the general public.

You still haven't gotten to Table 2 on page 7 yet, have you?

Of course I got there.

What's your point?

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on July 23, 2020, 05:59:41 AM

"Trump went on to explain the test, saying that after several questions, the doctor returned to the list of words, asking Trump to repeat them. “And you go, ‘person, woman, man, camera, TV.’ They say, ‘That’s amazing. How did you do that?’ ‘I do it because I have like a good memory? Because I’m cognitively there.’”

One list of words that features on the Montreal Cognitive Assessment, the test Trump is referring to, is “Face, velvet, church, daisy, red.”"

A doctor was amazed someone could string five words together?   

I mean, maybe they amazed as they thought Trump was totally retarded and it turns out he's only semi-retarded?

I'm not sure he really gets how stupid this makes him sound.  Also, I don't think he passed it.

Probably.  Or he's embelishing like crazy, as he usually does.

I'm sure he is embelishing, it's just he doesn't realise how stupid it makes him sound.  It like him going "Today I played with the crayons, and the teacher said they were the best drawings she'd ever seen!".

And thinking it's actually going to impress a room full of adults.

Quote from: markjo on July 23, 2020, 06:41:53 AM

Quote from: totallackey on July 23, 2020, 03:46:44 AM

Quote from: markjo on July 22, 2020, 08:55:31 AM

Quote from: totallackey on July 22, 2020, 08:25:13 AM

As if health care workers come from the planet Vulcan.

Health care workers are recruited from the general public...

*sigh*  Healthcare workers work in a much higher risk environment than the general public, therefore their guidance is different than the general public.

That is correct.

And when they are in the high-risk environment, wear the appropriate PPE, including a mask which is recommended by the WHO.

When in community settings, no mask necessary, just like the general public.

You still haven't gotten to Table 2 on page 7 yet, have you?

Of course I got there.

What's your point?

Since it specially deals with masking guidance for the general public, it's quite obvious that you didn't read it, didn't understand it or just plain ignored it.

Table 2. Examples of where the general public should be encouraged to use medical and non-medical masks in areas with known or suspected community transmission

Nowhere in that table does it give a situation where masks are not recommended.

I did not lie.

You cannot read a table.

Page 5 Lists the WHO, then states Health Worker or Care Giver AND Health Worker

And yet you completely ignore Table 2 on page 7 of that document that lays out their guidance for the general public.
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Can you post this table 2?

Can you post this table 2?

I'm too lazy to properly format the table here, but the whole document is available here as a PDF:
https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/advice-on-the-use-of-masks-in-the-community-during-home-care-and-in-healthcare-settings-in-the-context-of-the-novel-coronavirus-(2019-ncov)-outbreak

On a positive note for Australia thanks to the corone and all our social distancing / focus on hygiene / stay at home etc, we have only had just over 30 people die of 'regular flu' as opposed to over 400ish this time last year or something

Silver linings.....


Anecdotally, I have not even had 1 cold this year. No sniffles, nothing. All our measures has essentially crushed the r0 value of every bastard bug out there. Yeah!

Table 2. Examples of where the general public should be encouraged to use medical and non-medical masks in areas with
known or suspected community transmission.


Kind puts Lackless's assertion to bed.

Kind puts Lackless's assertion to bed.

Have you met lackey?

One of the biggest problems are the reactive approaches governments (including Australia) have made when dealing with this virus

If you want to get a handle on something that has exponential growth, you need to make proactive decisions.

Australias state of NSW won't mandate the use of masks until shit hits the fan. But it could be avoided (or much less pain felt) if it were mandated now.

If you want a handle a crushing the r0 value, consider everyone, including yourself as infected and behave accordingly

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/coronavirus/article244443257.html

Oh look, Death Panels.  And NOT made by Obama.  Who'd have thought?

Table 2. Examples of where the general public should be encouraged to use medical and non-medical masks in areas with
known or suspected community transmission.


Kind puts Lackless's assertion to bed.

Quote from: Themightykabool on July 23, 2020, 06:05:50 PM

Kind puts Lackless's assertion to bed.

Have you met lackey?

It doesn't matter whether he has met me or not.

If health care workers are in a community setting and no mask is necessary, then all of the public when they are in a community setting are in the same state.

No mask necessary.

Table 1 - The only two oppurtunities for nonmaksing is when working in a non covid ward and when at a 1m distance.
And even then it is suggested to wearing a mask.
All others require maksing.
Wtf you on about, Lackless?

If health care workers are in a community setting and no mask is necessary, then all of the public when they are in a community setting are in the same state.

There are two sets of guidance: one for healthcare workers and another for the general public.  Why is that too complicated for you?

No mask necessary.

For medical workers in a community outreach program.  Table 1 gives no guidance for medical workers when they go to a supermarket or other setting where physical distancing may not be possible.

Quote from: totallackey on July 26, 2020, 11:48:59 AM

If health care workers are in a community setting and no mask is necessary, then all of the public when they are in a community setting are in the same state.

There are two sets of guidance: one for healthcare workers and another for the general public.  Why is that too complicated for you?

It's not complicated at all.

Table 1 states health care workers - no mask necessary when in community settings.

Table 2 then tries to contradict that stance, pretending the virus is somehow intelligent enough to ascertain the difference between a health care worker AND any other member of the general public.

Quote from: totallackey on July 26, 2020, 11:48:59 AM

No mask necessary.

For medical workers in a community outreach program.  Table 1 gives no guidance for medical workers when they go to a supermarket or other setting where physical distancing may not be possible.

Now, you are trying to claim the virus is HIGHLY INTELLIGENT and can ascertain the specific surrounding.

Healthy people do not need to wear masks.

Period.

Right now in America there are literally thousands of people walking around with covid-19 and they don't even know it

Wearing a mask drastically reduces the chance of transmitting the virus by those that have it

Healthy people in addition wearing a mask drastically reduces the chance of inhaling it.

Combined, the viruses chances of spreading are knee capped

The WHO in the beginning sucked in their knowledge and were too slow to act. Their advice used to assume the virus was not all that airborne and not transmitted by asymptomatic people. And would not carry through the air in aerosols but large droplets. We know that's all BS now. Hence, mask is important. No you don't need a surgical P95 mask all hours but a cloth one while not perfect, if worn by everyone would go a long way while being comfortable

If repugnicans really wanted to assure Trumps presidential election victory, they would get behind this. Why? Because in 6 weeks, the number of community transmissions would be negligible. By the time of the election, Trump could boast behind defeating the virus

Keep on track and the greatest number of casualties will be dumbarse repugnicans who would otherwise have given Trump their vote.

Seriously not hard stuff.

Will someone just cough on Lackey and save us all?

Quote from: markjo on July 26, 2020, 03:43:13 PM

Quote from: totallackey on July 26, 2020, 11:48:59 AM

If health care workers are in a community setting and no mask is necessary, then all of the public when they are in a community setting are in the same state.

There are two sets of guidance: one for healthcare workers and another for the general public.  Why is that too complicated for you?

It's not complicated at all.

Table 1 states health care workers - no mask necessary when in community settings.

Table 2 then tries to contradict that stance, pretending the virus is somehow intelligent enough to ascertain the difference between a health care worker AND any other member of the general public.

Quote from: markjo on July 26, 2020, 03:43:13 PM

Quote from: totallackey on July 26, 2020, 11:48:59 AM

No mask necessary.

For medical workers in a community outreach program.  Table 1 gives no guidance for medical workers when they go to a supermarket or other setting where physical distancing may not be possible.

Now, you are trying to claim the virus is HIGHLY INTELLIGENT and can ascertain the specific surrounding.

Healthy people do not need to wear masks.

Period.

Ill just claim
The virus is somehow more intelligent than Lackless.

What the cdc and Lackless and many govt didnt understand is that nurses, by logistics, often have overlapping duties where they care fir many different people.
This is a reason old folks homes got hit hard in many countries.
If you are a health care worker strictly in an isolated environment sure, you could get away with maskless if at a disrance in a community setting.
Doesnt say dont, doesnt say do.
It says suggssted.
And the state of the States shows Lackless is wrong in his assertio/ interpreration its a solid Dont.

Additional considerations for community care settings:
Community health workers should use standard precautions
for all patients at all times, with particular emphasis regarding
hand and respiratory hygiene, surface and environmental
cleaning and disinfection, and the appropriate use of personal
protective equipment. Additional IPC measures that are
needed will depend on the local COVID-19 transmission
dynamics and the type of contact required by the health care
activity.


A footnote says just what i said.
Cover up if your area is fucked.

Right now in America there are literally thousands of people walking around with covid-19 and they don't even know it.

Right now in America, there are literally thousands of people walking around without Covid-19, yet believe they do because the tests are not accurate.
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-04-15/us-virus-numbers-now-include-probable-cases-without-tests?fbclid=IwAR1qcdECvEPPV2XPRNO3b9vC0p0DYSXx14sISEPu8RfHT2p5nVS5GaG_Ejo
"The U.S. tally of coronavirus cases and deaths might jump, because federal health officials will now count illnesses that are not confirmed by lab testing."

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/testing/serology-overview.html

"A positive test result shows you may have antibodies from an infection with the virus that causes COVID-19. However, there is a chance a positive result means that you have antibodies from an infection with a virus from the same family of viruses (called coronaviruses), such as the one that causes the common cold."

So, your claim that thousands have it without knowing actually turns into the truth... which is hardly anyone has it.

Wearing a mask drastically reduces the chance of transmitting the virus by those that have it.

Correct.

Healthy people do not need a mask.

Healthy people in addition wearing a mask drastically reduces the chance of inhaling it.

Incorrect.

Wearing a mask, according to the health experts as quoted innumerable times here, state the mask is merely to protect others.

Combined, the viruses chances of spreading are knee capped.

Errr...nope.

The WHO in the beginning sucked in their knowledge and were too slow to act. Their advice used to assume the virus was not all that airborne and not transmitted by asymptomatic people. And would not carry through the air in aerosols but large droplets. We know that's all BS now. Hence, mask is important. No you don't need a surgical P95 mask all hours but a cloth one while not perfect, if worn by everyone would go a long way while being comfortable

If repugnicans really wanted to assure Trumps presidential election victory, they would get behind this. Why? Because in 6 weeks, the number of community transmissions would be negligible. By the time of the election, Trump could boast behind defeating the virus

Keep on track and the greatest number of casualties will be dumbarse repugnicans who would otherwise have given Trump their vote.

Seriously not hard stuff.

Not really a well thought out position...and reveals the true nature of the bias within you.

What the cdc and Lackless and many govt didnt understand is that nurses, by logistics, often have overlapping duties where they care fir many different people.
This is a reason old folks homes got hit hard in many countries.
If you are a health care worker strictly in an isolated environment sure, you could get away with maskless if at a disrance in a community setting.
Doesnt say dont, doesnt say do.
It says suggssted.
And the state of the States shows Lackless is wrong in his assertio/ interpreration its a solid Dont.

Actually, the reported state of the States is wildly inaccurate reporting by a media almost as smart as you...which isn't sayin much...

Hard to get a true record of the numbers when the whole thing is a billion dollar industry and satisfies the reality tv porn worshippers such as yourself.

*sigh*
Lackey, do you believe that the coronavirus responsible for covid-19 is spreading among people in the general public by people who are infected but don't know it (asymptomatic/presymptomatic transmission)?

If so, why do you think that masking in public is not a prudent safety precaution to help reduce the spread of the virus?

So the infected numbers are falsely high AND the numbers are accurately high.

....
Cant have it both ways.
What are you, a trump supportor?
Ha!


2nd.
Hospitalization and death rates are real numbers.
Hard to argue facts.
Unless youre a trumper.
Or a FEr.

Guys.  Lackless thinks the virus can fly on its own and can propell itself through masks like a bug.
There is no reasoning with someone like that.