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Quote from: Crouton on March 30, 2020, 08:01:45 AM

Because I don't know what that's going to do to the elastic.

Also black lights are cool.

Why are you so worried about the elastic?
As if that really matters. If it's getting a bit less elastic then who cares.

A proper fit is critical for a good seal and overall effectiveness.  That's why men with beards are screwed.

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on March 30, 2020, 08:17:16 AM

Quote from: Crouton on March 30, 2020, 08:01:45 AM

Because I don't know what that's going to do to the elastic.

Also black lights are cool.

Why are you so worried about the elastic?
As if that really matters. If it's getting a bit less elastic then who cares.

A proper fit is critical for a good seal and overall effectiveness.  That's why men with beards are screwed.

It's not like a bit less elastic is gonna mean it doesn't fit anymore.

Also the beard thing depends a lot on the mask and the beard. But yeah, no beard definitely is better.

Quote from: markjo on March 30, 2020, 08:26:06 AM

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on March 30, 2020, 08:17:16 AM

Quote from: Crouton on March 30, 2020, 08:01:45 AM

Because I don't know what that's going to do to the elastic.

Also black lights are cool.

Why are you so worried about the elastic?
As if that really matters. If it's getting a bit less elastic then who cares.

A proper fit is critical for a good seal and overall effectiveness.  That's why men with beards are screwed.

It's not like a bit less elastic is gonna mean it doesn't fit anymore.

Also the beard thing depends a lot on the mask and the beard. But yeah, no beard definitely is better.

The elastics are actually pretty important.  Without it you don't have a good seal.  I have two masks and they're about 7 years old.  The brittleness of the elastics have me a little concerned when I use them.

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on March 30, 2020, 08:27:57 AM

Quote from: markjo on March 30, 2020, 08:26:06 AM

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on March 30, 2020, 08:17:16 AM

Quote from: Crouton on March 30, 2020, 08:01:45 AM

Because I don't know what that's going to do to the elastic.

Also black lights are cool.

Why are you so worried about the elastic?
As if that really matters. If it's getting a bit less elastic then who cares.

A proper fit is critical for a good seal and overall effectiveness.  That's why men with beards are screwed.

It's not like a bit less elastic is gonna mean it doesn't fit anymore.

Also the beard thing depends a lot on the mask and the beard. But yeah, no beard definitely is better.

The elastics are actually pretty important.  Without it you don't have a good seal.  I have two masks and they're about 7 years old.  The brittleness of the elastics have me a little concerned when I use them.

Then just put on a new elastic, rubber band or whatever.
As long as it's a little bit elastic it's fine.
If it's not tight enough just make a knot so the band is a bit shorter.

Quote from: Crouton on March 30, 2020, 08:35:22 AM

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on March 30, 2020, 08:27:57 AM

Quote from: markjo on March 30, 2020, 08:26:06 AM

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on March 30, 2020, 08:17:16 AM

Quote from: Crouton on March 30, 2020, 08:01:45 AM

Because I don't know what that's going to do to the elastic.

Also black lights are cool.

Why are you so worried about the elastic?
As if that really matters. If it's getting a bit less elastic then who cares.

A proper fit is critical for a good seal and overall effectiveness.  That's why men with beards are screwed.

It's not like a bit less elastic is gonna mean it doesn't fit anymore.

Also the beard thing depends a lot on the mask and the beard. But yeah, no beard definitely is better.

The elastics are actually pretty important.  Without it you don't have a good seal.  I have two masks and they're about 7 years old.  The brittleness of the elastics have me a little concerned when I use them.

Then just put on a new elastic, rubber band or whatever.
As long as it's a little bit elastic it's fine.
If it's not tight enough just make a knot so the band is a bit shorter.

They're not really made to replace the elastic.

Have you ever seen an n95 mask ?

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on March 30, 2020, 08:37:06 AM

Quote from: Crouton on March 30, 2020, 08:35:22 AM

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on March 30, 2020, 08:27:57 AM

Quote from: markjo on March 30, 2020, 08:26:06 AM

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on March 30, 2020, 08:17:16 AM

Quote from: Crouton on March 30, 2020, 08:01:45 AM

Because I don't know what that's going to do to the elastic.

Also black lights are cool.

Why are you so worried about the elastic?
As if that really matters. If it's getting a bit less elastic then who cares.

A proper fit is critical for a good seal and overall effectiveness.  That's why men with beards are screwed.

It's not like a bit less elastic is gonna mean it doesn't fit anymore.

Also the beard thing depends a lot on the mask and the beard. But yeah, no beard definitely is better.

The elastics are actually pretty important.  Without it you don't have a good seal.  I have two masks and they're about 7 years old.  The brittleness of the elastics have me a little concerned when I use them.

Then just put on a new elastic, rubber band or whatever.
As long as it's a little bit elastic it's fine.
If it's not tight enough just make a knot so the band is a bit shorter.

They're not really made to replace the elastic.

Have you ever seen an n95 mask ?

Yes.
Just use a stapler.
Or, honestly, if your elastic fails it's very likely that the metal piece for the nose has already been bent so often that it's not gonna be tight anymore. So better use a new mask after you have worn the same mask so many times that the elastics is broken.

Quote from: Crouton on March 30, 2020, 08:56:59 AM

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on March 30, 2020, 08:37:06 AM

Quote from: Crouton on March 30, 2020, 08:35:22 AM

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on March 30, 2020, 08:27:57 AM

Quote from: markjo on March 30, 2020, 08:26:06 AM

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on March 30, 2020, 08:17:16 AM

Quote from: Crouton on March 30, 2020, 08:01:45 AM

Because I don't know what that's going to do to the elastic.

Also black lights are cool.

Why are you so worried about the elastic?
As if that really matters. If it's getting a bit less elastic then who cares.

A proper fit is critical for a good seal and overall effectiveness.  That's why men with beards are screwed.

It's not like a bit less elastic is gonna mean it doesn't fit anymore.

Also the beard thing depends a lot on the mask and the beard. But yeah, no beard definitely is better.

The elastics are actually pretty important.  Without it you don't have a good seal.  I have two masks and they're about 7 years old.  The brittleness of the elastics have me a little concerned when I use them.

Then just put on a new elastic, rubber band or whatever.
As long as it's a little bit elastic it's fine.
If it's not tight enough just make a knot so the band is a bit shorter.

They're not really made to replace the elastic.

Have you ever seen an n95 mask ?

Yes.
Just use a stapler.
Or, honestly, if your elastic fails it's very likely that the metal piece for the nose has already been bent so often that it's not gonna be tight anymore. So better use a new mask after you have worn the same mask so many times that the elastics is broken.

Not in this situation.  It's not from use.  It's from age.  These were used to paint a shed and they've been sitting in my toolbox for the last 7 years.

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on March 30, 2020, 09:33:16 AM

Quote from: Crouton on March 30, 2020, 08:56:59 AM

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on March 30, 2020, 08:37:06 AM

Quote from: Crouton on March 30, 2020, 08:35:22 AM

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on March 30, 2020, 08:27:57 AM

Quote from: markjo on March 30, 2020, 08:26:06 AM

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on March 30, 2020, 08:17:16 AM

Quote from: Crouton on March 30, 2020, 08:01:45 AM

Because I don't know what that's going to do to the elastic.

Also black lights are cool.

Why are you so worried about the elastic?
As if that really matters. If it's getting a bit less elastic then who cares.

A proper fit is critical for a good seal and overall effectiveness.  That's why men with beards are screwed.

It's not like a bit less elastic is gonna mean it doesn't fit anymore.

Also the beard thing depends a lot on the mask and the beard. But yeah, no beard definitely is better.

The elastics are actually pretty important.  Without it you don't have a good seal.  I have two masks and they're about 7 years old.  The brittleness of the elastics have me a little concerned when I use them.

Then just put on a new elastic, rubber band or whatever.
As long as it's a little bit elastic it's fine.
If it's not tight enough just make a knot so the band is a bit shorter.

They're not really made to replace the elastic.

Have you ever seen an n95 mask ?

Yes.
Just use a stapler.
Or, honestly, if your elastic fails it's very likely that the metal piece for the nose has already been bent so often that it's not gonna be tight anymore. So better use a new mask after you have worn the same mask so many times that the elastics is broken.

Not in this situation.  It's not from use.  It's from age.  These were used to paint a shed and they've been sitting in my toolbox for the last 7 years.

Then don't use them unless you really have to.
And if you really have to then, as mentioned, sew or staple on a new elastic band.

We've now surpassed France in deaths.

Also, why is France so bad at this?

We've now surpassed France in deaths.

Also, why is France so bad at this?

Well the us is very soon going to surpass every other country in terms of deaths. Your deaths/day will likely be over 2000/day in a week and a half or so.

Quote from: Crouton on March 30, 2020, 10:32:49 AM

We've now surpassed France in deaths.

Also, why is France so bad at this?

Well the us is very soon going to surpass every other country in terms of deaths. Your deaths/day will likely be over 2000/day in a week and a half or so.

Maybe.  But at the moment France has a fatality rate of 6.49% and the US has a fatality rate of 1.8%.  6.49% is Iran bad.  The disparity is odd to me.

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on March 30, 2020, 10:35:34 AM

Quote from: Crouton on March 30, 2020, 10:32:49 AM

We've now surpassed France in deaths.

Also, why is France so bad at this?

Well the us is very soon going to surpass every other country in terms of deaths. Your deaths/day will likely be over 2000/day in a week and a half or so.

Maybe.  But at the moment France has a fatality rate of 6.49% and the US has a fatality rate of 1.8%.  6.49% is Iran bad.  The disparity is odd to me.

US is testing more cases that are less severe + has good healthcare (but expensive).

You guys could also use an ozone generator to kill virus, bacteria and smells.

https://crystalquest.com/pages/ozone-generator-for-covid-19-coronavirus-disinfectant

I use a different more powerful one. Why doesn't the government send these around to people.

Mold remediation companies use these generators, also hotels.

Why doesn't the government send these around to people.

Probably because ozone isn't particularly healthy to breathe.

What are some of the health effects from exposure to ozone?

Adults and children who breathe high levels of ozone for a short period of time (minutes or hours) can experience eye, nose and throat irritation, shortness of breath, chest pain and coughing. Breathing high levels of ozone can worsen asthma symptoms. Breathing ozone for a short period of time may worsen symptoms in people with heart disease. Ozone can react with other chemicals in the air to produce additional chemicals and fine particles that can also be irritating to the eyes, nose, throat and lungs.

Quote from: hoppy on March 30, 2020, 06:57:18 PM

Why doesn't the government send these around to people.

Probably because ozone isn't particularly healthy to breathe.

Quote from: https://www.health.ny.gov/environmental/indoors/air/ozone_generating_air_cleaners.htm

What are some of the health effects from exposure to ozone?

Adults and children who breathe high levels of ozone for a short period of time (minutes or hours) can experience eye, nose and throat irritation, shortness of breath, chest pain and coughing. Breathing high levels of ozone can worsen asthma symptoms. Breathing ozone for a short period of time may worsen symptoms in people with heart disease. Ozone can react with other chemicals in the air to produce additional chemicals and fine particles that can also be irritating to the eyes, nose, throat and lungs.

Duh. You leave the house for an hour or two. Maybe leave a window cracked. Then when you come back viruses mildew bacteria and smells are dead.

Quote from: markjo on March 30, 2020, 07:07:57 PM

Quote from: hoppy on March 30, 2020, 06:57:18 PM

Why doesn't the government send these around to people.

Probably because ozone isn't particularly healthy to breathe.

Quote from: https://www.health.ny.gov/environmental/indoors/air/ozone_generating_air_cleaners.htm

What are some of the health effects from exposure to ozone?

Adults and children who breathe high levels of ozone for a short period of time (minutes or hours) can experience eye, nose and throat irritation, shortness of breath, chest pain and coughing. Breathing high levels of ozone can worsen asthma symptoms. Breathing ozone for a short period of time may worsen symptoms in people with heart disease. Ozone can react with other chemicals in the air to produce additional chemicals and fine particles that can also be irritating to the eyes, nose, throat and lungs.

Duh. You leave the house for an hour or two. Maybe leave a window cracked. Then when you come back viruses mildew bacteria and smells are dead.

And you are, too, after a few minutes.

Quote from: hoppy on March 30, 2020, 07:22:16 PM

Quote from: markjo on March 30, 2020, 07:07:57 PM

Quote from: hoppy on March 30, 2020, 06:57:18 PM

Why doesn't the government send these around to people.

Probably because ozone isn't particularly healthy to breathe.

Quote from: https://www.health.ny.gov/environmental/indoors/air/ozone_generating_air_cleaners.htm

What are some of the health effects from exposure to ozone?

Adults and children who breathe high levels of ozone for a short period of time (minutes or hours) can experience eye, nose and throat irritation, shortness of breath, chest pain and coughing. Breathing high levels of ozone can worsen asthma symptoms. Breathing ozone for a short period of time may worsen symptoms in people with heart disease. Ozone can react with other chemicals in the air to produce additional chemicals and fine particles that can also be irritating to the eyes, nose, throat and lungs.

Duh. You leave the house for an hour or two. Maybe leave a window cracked. Then when you come back viruses mildew bacteria and smells are dead.

And you are, too, after a few minutes.

Nope,  at the concentrations that typically used ozone won't kill anybody.   If you overdo it,  you might get a sore throat or eye irritation. 

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on March 30, 2020, 11:30:59 PM

Quote from: hoppy on March 30, 2020, 07:22:16 PM

Quote from: markjo on March 30, 2020, 07:07:57 PM

Quote from: hoppy on March 30, 2020, 06:57:18 PM

Why doesn't the government send these around to people.

Probably because ozone isn't particularly healthy to breathe.

Quote from: https://www.health.ny.gov/environmental/indoors/air/ozone_generating_air_cleaners.htm

What are some of the health effects from exposure to ozone?

Adults and children who breathe high levels of ozone for a short period of time (minutes or hours) can experience eye, nose and throat irritation, shortness of breath, chest pain and coughing. Breathing high levels of ozone can worsen asthma symptoms. Breathing ozone for a short period of time may worsen symptoms in people with heart disease. Ozone can react with other chemicals in the air to produce additional chemicals and fine particles that can also be irritating to the eyes, nose, throat and lungs.

Duh. You leave the house for an hour or two. Maybe leave a window cracked. Then when you come back viruses mildew bacteria and smells are dead.

And you are, too, after a few minutes.

Nope,  at the concentrations that typically used ozone won't kill anybody.   If you overdo it,  you might get a sore throat or eye irritation.

Okay we'll use you as the lab rat then.

Quote from: JerkFace on March 30, 2020, 11:55:13 PM

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on March 30, 2020, 11:30:59 PM

Quote from: hoppy on March 30, 2020, 07:22:16 PM

Quote from: markjo on March 30, 2020, 07:07:57 PM

Quote from: hoppy on March 30, 2020, 06:57:18 PM

Why doesn't the government send these around to people.

Probably because ozone isn't particularly healthy to breathe.

Quote from: https://www.health.ny.gov/environmental/indoors/air/ozone_generating_air_cleaners.htm

What are some of the health effects from exposure to ozone?

Adults and children who breathe high levels of ozone for a short period of time (minutes or hours) can experience eye, nose and throat irritation, shortness of breath, chest pain and coughing. Breathing high levels of ozone can worsen asthma symptoms. Breathing ozone for a short period of time may worsen symptoms in people with heart disease. Ozone can react with other chemicals in the air to produce additional chemicals and fine particles that can also be irritating to the eyes, nose, throat and lungs.

Duh. You leave the house for an hour or two. Maybe leave a window cracked. Then when you come back viruses mildew bacteria and smells are dead.

And you are, too, after a few minutes.

Nope,  at the concentrations that typically used ozone won't kill anybody.   If you overdo it,  you might get a sore throat or eye irritation.

Okay we'll use you as the lab rat then.

Only kills swedish lab rats,  the rest of us are immune to sarcasm.   Apart from Wallander of course, he's invincible.

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on March 31, 2020, 12:03:04 AM

Quote from: JerkFace on March 30, 2020, 11:55:13 PM

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on March 30, 2020, 11:30:59 PM

Quote from: hoppy on March 30, 2020, 07:22:16 PM

Quote from: markjo on March 30, 2020, 07:07:57 PM

Quote from: hoppy on March 30, 2020, 06:57:18 PM

Why doesn't the government send these around to people.

Probably because ozone isn't particularly healthy to breathe.

Quote from: https://www.health.ny.gov/environmental/indoors/air/ozone_generating_air_cleaners.htm

What are some of the health effects from exposure to ozone?

Adults and children who breathe high levels of ozone for a short period of time (minutes or hours) can experience eye, nose and throat irritation, shortness of breath, chest pain and coughing. Breathing high levels of ozone can worsen asthma symptoms. Breathing ozone for a short period of time may worsen symptoms in people with heart disease. Ozone can react with other chemicals in the air to produce additional chemicals and fine particles that can also be irritating to the eyes, nose, throat and lungs.

Duh. You leave the house for an hour or two. Maybe leave a window cracked. Then when you come back viruses mildew bacteria and smells are dead.

And you are, too, after a few minutes.

Nope,  at the concentrations that typically used ozone won't kill anybody.   If you overdo it,  you might get a sore throat or eye irritation.

Okay we'll use you as the lab rat then.

Only kills swedish lab rats,  the rest of us are immune to sarcasm.   Apart from Wallander of course, he's invincible.

I'll take that as a 'yes'.
When can we start the experiments?

Quote from: JerkFace on March 31, 2020, 12:54:11 AM

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on March 31, 2020, 12:03:04 AM

Quote from: JerkFace on March 30, 2020, 11:55:13 PM

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on March 30, 2020, 11:30:59 PM

Quote from: hoppy on March 30, 2020, 07:22:16 PM

Quote from: markjo on March 30, 2020, 07:07:57 PM

Quote from: hoppy on March 30, 2020, 06:57:18 PM

Why doesn't the government send these around to people.

Probably because ozone isn't particularly healthy to breathe.

Quote from: https://www.health.ny.gov/environmental/indoors/air/ozone_generating_air_cleaners.htm

What are some of the health effects from exposure to ozone?

Adults and children who breathe high levels of ozone for a short period of time (minutes or hours) can experience eye, nose and throat irritation, shortness of breath, chest pain and coughing. Breathing high levels of ozone can worsen asthma symptoms. Breathing ozone for a short period of time may worsen symptoms in people with heart disease. Ozone can react with other chemicals in the air to produce additional chemicals and fine particles that can also be irritating to the eyes, nose, throat and lungs.

Duh. You leave the house for an hour or two. Maybe leave a window cracked. Then when you come back viruses mildew bacteria and smells are dead.

And you are, too, after a few minutes.

Nope,  at the concentrations that typically used ozone won't kill anybody.   If you overdo it,  you might get a sore throat or eye irritation.

Okay we'll use you as the lab rat then.

Only kills swedish lab rats,  the rest of us are immune to sarcasm.   Apart from Wallander of course, he's invincible.

I'll take that as a 'yes'.
When can we start the experiments?

I'd be very surprised if any ozone generator sold by one of those natural healing alternative medicine companies even does what it says, let alone produce ozone in levels the human body might get irritated with.

Ozone belongs in the upper atmosphere, not down here on Earth. Personal hygiene and cleanliness will kill far more bugs than some fancy gadget sold to regular plebs

Quote from: Crouton on March 30, 2020, 10:54:12 AM

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on March 30, 2020, 10:35:34 AM

Quote from: Crouton on March 30, 2020, 10:32:49 AM

We've now surpassed France in deaths.

Also, why is France so bad at this?

Well the us is very soon going to surpass every other country in terms of deaths. Your deaths/day will likely be over 2000/day in a week and a half or so.

Maybe.  But at the moment France has a fatality rate of 6.49% and the US has a fatality rate of 1.8%.  6.49% is Iran bad.  The disparity is odd to me.

US is testing more cases that are less severe + has good healthcare (but expensive).

France has way better healthcare. Italy's healthcare is fine too but that didn't do much to keep the rates down.

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on March 31, 2020, 12:58:02 AM

Quote from: JerkFace on March 31, 2020, 12:54:11 AM

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on March 31, 2020, 12:03:04 AM

Quote from: JerkFace on March 30, 2020, 11:55:13 PM

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on March 30, 2020, 11:30:59 PM

Quote from: hoppy on March 30, 2020, 07:22:16 PM

Quote from: markjo on March 30, 2020, 07:07:57 PM

Quote from: hoppy on March 30, 2020, 06:57:18 PM

Why doesn't the government send these around to people.

Probably because ozone isn't particularly healthy to breathe.

Quote from: https://www.health.ny.gov/environmental/indoors/air/ozone_generating_air_cleaners.htm

What are some of the health effects from exposure to ozone?

Adults and children who breathe high levels of ozone for a short period of time (minutes or hours) can experience eye, nose and throat irritation, shortness of breath, chest pain and coughing. Breathing high levels of ozone can worsen asthma symptoms. Breathing ozone for a short period of time may worsen symptoms in people with heart disease. Ozone can react with other chemicals in the air to produce additional chemicals and fine particles that can also be irritating to the eyes, nose, throat and lungs.

Duh. You leave the house for an hour or two. Maybe leave a window cracked. Then when you come back viruses mildew bacteria and smells are dead.

And you are, too, after a few minutes.

Nope,  at the concentrations that typically used ozone won't kill anybody.   If you overdo it,  you might get a sore throat or eye irritation.

Okay we'll use you as the lab rat then.

Only kills swedish lab rats,  the rest of us are immune to sarcasm.   Apart from Wallander of course, he's invincible.

I'll take that as a 'yes'.
When can we start the experiments?

I'd be very surprised if any ozone generator sold by one of those natural healing alternative medicine companies even does what it says, let alone produce ozone in levels the human body might get irritated with.

Ozone belongs in the upper atmosphere, not down here on Earth. Personal hygiene and cleanliness will kill far more bugs than some fancy gadget sold to regular plebs

Of course you use personal hygiene. Ozone cleans all of the environment    around you inside. Ozone in the atmosphere is the natural cleaner for outside. Ozone is used by cleaning companies, mould cleanup, fire restoration.

It should be noted this was patented in the US in 2006.

Here is the patent number - US2006257852

Ozone was not patented.

Chris Cuomo tests positive for the Coronavirus.  Trump must be thrilled.

And we now have more deaths than China.

It should be noted this was patented in the US in 2006.

Here is the patent number - US2006257852

Anti-gravity was patented too.  What's your point?
https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en

It should be noted this was patented in the US in 2006.

Here is the patent number - US2006257852

Idiot.   Ozone is not patented.   

Ozone is a well accepted and safe method of room disinfection.   Just don't breathe it directly,  let the room clear after treatment.

Also,  don't drink bleach or isopropanol,  unless you are a swedish lab rat. 

It should be noted this was patented in the US in 2006.

Here is the patent number - US2006257852

*sigh*

4 Patent Abstract

An outbreak of a virulent respiratory virus, now known as Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS), was identified in Hong Kong, China and a growing number of countries around the world in 2003. The invention relates to nucleic acids and proteins from the SARS coronavirus. These nucleic acids and proteins can be used in the preparation and manufacture of vaccine formulations, diagnostic reagents, kits, etc. The invention also provides methods for treating SARS by administering small molecule antiviral compounds, as well as methods of identifying potent small molecules for the treatment of SARS.