nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)

I like all of you. Even you, old friends.

Plan, prepare and survive. All the OSINT leads to this being incredibly dangerous. Take precautions, wash your hands regularly with an alcohol based solution, don't touch your face avoid public transport and large crowded events until we know what's going on.

Have at least two months of food and WATER on hand.
Two months worth of vitamins, especially vitamin C for skurvy.
Hunting and fishing equipment.
Tools to build and maintain a campsite.
A compass, flint, good quality skinning knife.
A PLAN to get out of the city if things get as bad as they are in China.
Fuel, solar panels, generators make life much more comfortable.

Just for a few ideas.

OSINT dumps below. Mainstream news is catching up now. DO NOT IGNORE THIS.

>News
Over half of China under lockdown, accounting for 80% of GDP, 90% of exports
http://archive.is/HLAN0

It is “increasingly unlikely that the virus can be contained” says former director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
http://archive.is/Mggc6

Scientists: 75,815 individuals have been infected in Wuhan as of Jan 25, 2020
http://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(20)30260-9
(Gary is winning)

Infected: 20471
Obliterated: 427
Suspected: 23214
Recovered: 632

>Sources
https://news.qq.com/zt2020/page/feiyan.htm
https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/01/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/
http://www.nhc.gov.cn/yjb/s7860/new_list.shtm

First death outside China confirmed in Philippines
http://archive.is/e1sHf

Airlines suspend flights from China
http://archive.is/mhtsl

Hunt for 480 Wuhan travellers lost in Britain
http://archive.is/vUMrH

USA bans entry of foreigners who have recently been to China
http://archive.is/uq2ci

>Science
Still contagious after recovery
http://doi.org/10.1056/NEJMc2001468

r0 = 4.08
http://medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.27.20018952v1

2019-nCoV infection associated with high mortality
http://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(20)30183-5

>Conspiracy
Google Maps moved location of Wuhan biolab
http://archive.is/QIBmE

>Reminder
CCP burning bodies without testing or registration
http://archive.is/Thlaq

Wuhan mayor admitted shortage of testing kits, all suspected cases are already in the pneumonia stage
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>Infected Countries List
Japan 20 Thailand 19 Singapore 18 South Korea 15 Hong Kong 14 Australia 12 Germany 10 Taiwan 10 United States 11 Macau 8 Malaysia 8 Vietnam 7 France 6 United Arab Emirates 5 Canada 4 India 2 Italy 2 Philippines 2 Russia 2 United Kingdom 2 Cambodia 1 Finland 1 Nepal 1 Spain 1 Sri Lanka 1 Sweden 1
https://w.wiki/GWa

Event 201 is the most accurate model of the situation we are in now. China's stock market is gone, high probability that ours will fail also.

A breakdown in our supply chain WILL cause more deaths than the virus itself.
A pandemic WILL cause a mass panic and a breakdown in our supply chain. People WILL starve.

Plan, prepare, act, survive.
THIS IS NOT A JOKE.

There is some science to support the hypothesis that nCoV is particularly dangerous to South East Asian males but this shouldn't make any westerner feel more comfortable.

It's not just a flu. The CCP is lying, nCoV has a higher R0 (how infectious it is) and a far higher mortality rate even using the Chinese Communist parties numbers.

They lied about the SARS outbreak they are lying about nCoV to try to preserve their economy. We are all at risk, the CDC has woken up to the fact that containment of this now is most likely impossible.

Hi CCP frens.


Stop stealing our shit, we never should have let you play with our toys.

https://nationalfile.com/harvard-chemical-biology-scientist-arrested-for-receiving-over-2m-from-chinese-wuhan-university/

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/harvard-university-professor-and-two-chinese-nationals-charged-three-separate-china-related

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Do something CCP you know who I am.

You need to chill.
Yes its bad and lots of people are being infected. But as more cases come up its mortality rate is decreasing, not increasing.

There is not enough data yet, but so far it suggests that this may be a lot less dangerous than SARS was, and quite possible just barely more fatal than the normal Flu. Your one link even confirms this.
Possibly 75000 people infected, less than 400 fatalities, thats a very small percentage of people dying.

Ill wait for WHO info rather than conspiracy theories before I uproot my life.

Although camping sounds nice.

Event 201 models a corona virus pandemic and the societal and economic consequences. It was ran by the John Hopkins centre and Bill and Melinda Gates foundation. It is the most accurate model we have of this outbreak.

China is burning bodies and locking people in their homes to starve.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/02/02/wuhan-woman-screams-chinese-authorities-barricade-inside-home-12162599/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/draconian-measures-china-allegedly-cremating-coronavirus-victims-in-secret

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/china-bans-funerals-for-coronavirus-victims-as-death-toll-rises-2020-2?op=1&r=US&IR=T

The mortality rate isn't as low as the Chinese Communist party wants you to believe. Journalists are being arrested and black bagged for leaking information to the public. *Salutes.

http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/

https://hub.jhu.edu/2019/11/06/event-201-health-security/

Back in 2001, it was a smallpox outbreak, set off by terrorists in U.S. shopping malls. This fall, it was a SARS-like virus, germinating quietly among pig farms in Brazil before spreading to every country in the world.

With each fictional pandemic Johns Hopkins experts have designed, the takeaway lesson is the same: We are nowhere near prepared.

"Once you're in the midst of a severe pandemic, your options are very limited," says Eric Toner, a senior scholar at the Center for Health Security at Johns Hopkins University. "The greatest good can happen with pre-planning."

That center's latest pandemic simulation, Event 201, dropped participants right in the midst of an uncontrolled coronavirus outbreak that was spreading like wildfire out of South America to wreak worldwide havoc. As fictional newscasters from "GNN" narrated, the immune-resistant virus (nicknamed CAPS) was crippling trade and travel, sending the global economy into freefall. Social media was rampant with rumors and misinformation, governments were collapsing, and citizens were revolting.

For those participating in New York City on Oct. 18—a heavyweight group of policymakers, business leaders, and health officials—Event 201 was a chance to see how much catch-up work is needed to bolster our disaster response systems. Full videos of the discussion are available online.

"It really does shake up assumptions and change thinking about how we can prepare for a global pandemic," says Tom Inglesby, director of the Center for Health Security.

Event 201 is the fourth such exercise hosted by the Johns Hopkins center, which works to prepare communities for biological threats, pandemics, and other disasters. The simulations started with 2001's Dark Winter, which gathered national security experts for its simulated smallpox outbreak. The groundbreaking event turned out to be influential in shaping U.S. efforts around pandemic preparedness—particularly due to its timing, right before 9/11.

"Dark Winter resulted in more than a dozen congressional hearings, was briefed to the White House, and ultimately influenced the decision to stockpile enough smallpox vaccine for all Americans," Inglesby says.

That simulation and its two successors—Atlantic Storm, conducted in 2005, and last summer's Clade X—have also demonstrated lasting value as educational and advocacy tools, with reenactments or modified versions taking place in settings including universities, the CDC, and Capitol Hill, according to Inglesby. "These exercises have a long fuse," he says.

For Event 201, hosted in collaboration with the World Economic Forum and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, the experts added a new layer of realism by reaching beyond government and NGOs to leaders in the private sector and business community. Participants included representatives from NBCUniversal, UPS, and Johnson & Johnson.

"Very few people have included the private sector in pandemic preparedness, but that's where most of the resources are," Toner says.

That's particularly true when it comes to vaccine development. The CAPS virus—which Toner describes as a cousin of SARS, "but slightly more transmissible, like the flu, and slightly more lethal"—was presented as resistant to any existing vaccine, as scientists scrambled to come up with one. Citizens, meanwhile, were rioting over scarce access to the next best thing: a fictional antiviral known to treat some CAPS symptoms.

That scenario, Toner says, is utterly realistic. "We don't have a vaccine for SARS, or MERS, or various avian flu viruses that have come up in the past decade," he notes. "That's because vaccine development is slow and difficult if there isn't an immediate market for it."

In the simulation, CAPS resulted in a death toll of 65 million people within 18 months—surpassing the deadliest pandemic in history, the 1918 Spanish flu.

From the discussions Event 201 inspired, the Center for Health Security plans to release a set of formal recommendations within the coming weeks.

Shortly after the simulation, the center released the Global Health Security Index, the first-ever comprehensive ranking of countries on their pandemic preparedness. All in all, the picture was discouraging: The average score, across 195 countries, was 40 out of a possible 100.

"It's our hope," Inglesby says, "that countries will use this to consider where they are strong and where they are weak."

There is not enough data yet, but so far it suggests that this may be a lot less dangerous than SARS was, and quite possible just barely more fatal than the normal Flu. Your one link even confirms this.
Possibly 75000 people infected, less than 400 fatalities, thats a very small percentage of people dying.

No. These are China's numbers currently.
There are currently 20,639 confirmed cases worldwide, including 427 fatalities.

By the official numbers NCoV is around 40x more deadly than the flu. It's also more infectious.

If you don't trust Chinas number of infected why would you trust their number of dead?

Ill wait for WHO info rather than conspiracy theories before I uproot my life.

I'm not telling anyone to uproot their life. I'm telling you to prepare. This is not a conspiracy theory. The escaped bioweapon angle is the conspiracy theory although it can be explained by incompetence and actually has a lot of evidence I haven't presented because I feel it's unnecessary.

By the time WHO says to buy food all the food will be gone in a mass panic.
We are already nearly out of Alcohol based hand sanitizer and P2/P3 masks. This can be explained by the Chinese diaspora buying masks and sanitizer and selling / sending it to China.

You must understand this. When the TV tells you to panic it will be too late to prepare.

Again, don't uproot your life.
Prepare.

We're all going to die again.

We're all going to die again.

Explain to me, if this gets to the west and spreads like it has in China. How our supply chain won't break down?

If you don't want to you don't have to.

As for waiting for the WHO.
(Who still maintains we should all continue flights to and from China)

How about the CDC?
The link is in the info dump.
I know you didn't read it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/02/health/coronavirus-pandemic-china.html

The Wuhan coronavirus spreading from China is now likely to become a pandemic that circles the globe, according to many of the world’s leading infectious disease experts.
The prospect is daunting. A pandemic — an ongoing epidemic on two or more continents — may well have global consequences, despite the extraordinary travel restrictions and quarantines now imposed by China and other countries, including the United States.
Scientists do not yet know how lethal the new coronavirus is, however, so there is uncertainty about how much damage a pandemic might cause. But there is growing consensus that the pathogen is readily transmitted between humans.
The Wuhan coronavirus is spreading more like influenza, which is highly transmissible, than like its slow-moving viral cousins, SARS and MERS, scientists have found.
“It’s very, very transmissible, and it almost certainly is going to be a pandemic,” said Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease.
“But will it be catastrophic? I don’t know.”
In the last three weeks, the number of lab-confirmed cases has soared from about 50 in China to more than 17,000 in at least 23 countries; there have been more than 360 deaths.

What happens when we run out of hospital beds?
Anyone?

The 1918 “Spanish flu” killed only about 2.5 percent of its victims — but because it infected so many people and medical care was much cruder then, 20 million to 50 million died.

What happens when we run out of hospital beds?
Anyone?

We buy some more cheap beds from China.

Quote from: biohazard on February 04, 2020, 02:05:54 AM

What happens when we run out of hospital beds?
Anyone?

We buy some more cheap beds from China.

Solid plan.

Is death and suffering a joke to you?

Im confused, you say you cant trust China, but then say the "By the official numbers NCoV is around 40x more deadly than the flu. It's also more infectious" Official from who? China?

If 20 000 people are known to be effected and it has killed 400 people then it kills 2% of the infected.
Your one link suggested over 75 000 people are infected, giving it a mortality rate at about 1%
That is about 40x as bad as flu, but no one knows yet, it could be much lower.
SARS killed about 10%

Here is the thing, the virus is spreading and will continue to do so.
The only way to contain it is to control the populations, as what china is doing right now.
Getting people all excited over conspiracy theories is going to do more harm than good.
People need to trust the Authorities, because you cant solve a problem like this at the individual level.

Either way, no cases in my country yet.

Im confused, you say you cant trust China, but then say the "By the official numbers NCoV is around 40x more deadly than the flu. It's also more infectious" Official from who? China?

If 20 000 people are known to be effected and it has killed 400 people then it kills 2% of the infected.

Correct official Chinese numbers.
China is suffering from the epidemic currently.
The Spanish flu had a mortality rate of 2-3%

Your one link suggested over 75 000

That's a Lancet study. UK based, they haven't done an estimated death rate. I'm just as worried about an overloaded medical system than I am of the Virus. No one dies of Pneumonia in western countries. If they can't get treated at the hospital then Pneumonia becomes quite dangerous indeed. We could see a massive spike in deaths.

That is about 40x as bad as flu, but no one knows yet, it could be much lower.
SARS killed about 10%

Correct again, we don't know. I'm giving you the best OSINT information available as of right now.

SARS was also easily contained and not nearly as infectuous.

Here is the thing, the virus is spreading and will continue to do so.
The only way to contain it is to control the populations, as what china is doing right now.

You mean locking people in their apartments and leaving them to starve? Arresting jornalists thar report on it? That's what China is doing, are you suggesting we do that also?

Ok.
https://metro.co.uk/2020/02/02/wuhan-woman-screams-chinese-authorities-barricade-inside-home-12162599/

I'm happy you have no cases in your country. Empathy is important for now, survival may be more important later.

Getting people all excited over conspiracy theories

Please cite what you believe to be "conspiracy theories" in the information I've presented.

If there is no evidence to back them I will remove them.

I trust Melbourn doctors. They are on it.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=84682.0

I trust Melbourn doctors. They are on it.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=84682.0

Western scientists are the best in the world by a large degree. Even they say that a vaccine will take three months minimum to develop and around 1 year to mass produce.

Let's cut that in half to be liberal.
Six months without a vaccine and that's if the virus doesn't mutate.

I'm very hopeful we can beat this but it might get pretty bad before we get on top of things.

Even the economic impact of isolating China are likely to be devastating. That's why the WHO still recommends normal travel and trade.

I really do hope we can beat this.
I want people to be prepared.

Note.
I understand and empathise with our cyber magicians using the art of deception to keep people calm.

Mr NaySayer is correct, a mass panic would do more harm than good but I have a moral obligation to tell the truth.

I have no motive for telling you this except a genuine love for the truth.

And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

D1?

It is not a coincidence that such a virus appeared in China suddenly. there are two possibilities here.

1) biological warfare
2) to scare anti-vaxxers

1) If this is a biological war, the treatment should be brought out in a short time as it spreads to other countries. otherwise, the countries that started the war will also be affected.
2) Anti-vaccination has now reached a serious number, and officials are constantly targeting this segment. this can only be media disinformation to scare them and persuade them for vaccination.

I think that a vaccine or drug will appear in a very short time, as we see that cases have reached the number that will attract the attention of the world. You can be a part of the conspiracy if you're not really there to help us. If you are, so your presence is proof that a drug or vaccine will be developed soon.

If we look at the studies on this subject in the world;

- France developed a drug and a patient in the USA was treated with this drug.
- Doctors in Taiwan tried by mixing more than one drug and a patient was treated with this drug.
- Swiss scientists are close to the solution.
- Merkel said that an effective drug will be developed in a month or a few.
- Australian scientists are trying to find the most effective way to destroy the virus by examining it.

I don't trust science. however, I guess that as part of the conspiracy, someone who will say "Thank you for trusting science, we found the solution" will appear in a very short time. yes, science won again. WOW!

Its my personal opinion that this was a virus used for study into vaccines (possibly biological warfare) that escaoed the lab due to lax lab practices.

There's a conspiracy theory. But it's only my opinion.

Again, in my persobal opinion nothing else explains China's reaction to what people are trying to claim is "just another flu."

People have had success treating nCoV with anti viral HIV medication.
Which is interesting.

We can only treat the symptoms of a Virus and let our anti-bodies take care of the rest. The treatment isn't a cure. Only a Vaccine will stop the spread of this.

I agree that eventually there will be mandatory vaccinations for this disease as we have mandatory vaccinations for other infectious diseases.

You're a smart guy wise.

You might enjoy this wise.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.26.919985v1.full

This is very interesting but it hasn't been peer reviewed. It looks like South East Asians males especially may have a genetic weakness to this virus at least catching it.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6211892/

""Second, there was a much great difference in the frequency of distribution of ACE2 variants among different racial and ethnic lines.[19,28] For instance, the T allele frequencies of rs2285666 were 40.1% in Chinese Han, 32.4% in Chinese Dongxiang, 22.0% in Anglo Celtic.[19,31]""

Wikipedia cites ACE2 as the entry point for nCoV
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angiotensin-converting_enzyme_2

Quote from: MaNaeSWolf on February 04, 2020, 02:12:45 AM

Getting people all excited over conspiracy theories

Please cite what you believe to be "conspiracy theories" in the information I've presented.

If there is no evidence to back them I will remove them.

You did not necessarily give conspiracy theories, and I actually agree with your efforts to inform people.
But a panic can cause the virus to spread faster in a less controlled way.
So it is important to try and separate fact from opinion, as there is already a lot of misinformation.

It is not a coincidence that such a virus appeared in China suddenly. there are two possibilities here.

1) biological warfare
2) to scare anti-vaxxers

1) If this is a biological war, the treatment should be brought out in a short time as it spreads to other countries. otherwise, the countries that started the war will also be affected.
2) Anti-vaccination has now reached a serious number, and officials are constantly targeting this segment. this can only be media disinformation to scare them and persuade them for vaccination.

I think that a vaccine or drug will appear in a very short time, as we see that cases have reached the number that will attract the attention of the world. You can be a part of the conspiracy if you're not really there to help us. If you are, so your presence is proof that a drug or vaccine will be developed soon.

If we look at the studies on this subject in the world;

- France developed a drug and a patient in the USA was treated with this drug.
- Doctors in Taiwan tried by mixing more than one drug and a patient was treated with this drug.
- Swiss scientists are close to the solution.
- Merkel said that an effective drug will be developed in a month or a few.
- Australian scientists are trying to find the most effective way to destroy the virus by examining it.

I don't trust science. however, I guess that as part of the conspiracy, someone who will say "Thank you for trusting science, we found the solution" will appear in a very short time. yes, science won again. WOW!

This is the kind of not helpful stuff that causes people to mistrust health officials and end up spreading the virus further. Thanks wise, you just caused more people to die!

Quote from: biohazard on February 04, 2020, 02:22:16 AM

Quote from: MaNaeSWolf on February 04, 2020, 02:12:45 AM

Getting people all excited over conspiracy theories

Please cite what you believe to be "conspiracy theories" in the information I've presented.

If there is no evidence to back them I will remove them.

You did not necessarily give conspiracy theories, and I actually agree with your efforts to inform people.

Ok thanks.

I agree with you that we should limit panic. It will cause more harm than good.

Edit.

Thanks wise, you just caused more people to die!

That's disgusting and unnecessary.
We are merely having a discussion about our opinions.
Isn't this a flat earth website?

Also, it may be a better tactic to let the virus spread though the global population and just treat the symptoms so that no one dies. This is how most flu's are handled, with only vulnerable people being vaccinated.

This may end up being just another Flu. So dont draw conclusions before knowing all the facts, and no one has all the facts yet.

Also, it may be a better tactic to let the virus spread though the global population and just treat the symptoms so that no one dies. This is how most flu's are handled, with only vulnerable people being vaccinated.

Look at the official numbers.
10-20% of patients develop pneumonia.

Wuhan has ran out of hospital beds.

What happens to untreated pneumonia?

This doctor is very competent and is trying to tell the truth while avoiding causing a panic.

You might enjoy his videos.

Its my personal opinion that this was a virus used for study into vaccines (possibly biological warfare) that escaoed the lab due to lax lab practices.
There's a conspiracy theory. But it's only my opinion.
Again, in my persobal opinion nothing else explains China's reaction to what people are trying to claim is "just another flu."
People have had success treating nCoV with anti viral HIV medication.
Which is interesting.
We can only treat the symptoms of a Virus and let our anti-bodies take care of the rest. The treatment isn't a cure. Only a Vaccine will stop the spread of this.
I agree that eventually there will be mandatory vaccinations for this disease as we have mandatory vaccinations for other infectious diseases.
You're a smart guy wise.

One of the problems is that these views are your personal opinion. but we don't know you well enough to take into account your personal opinion. in this case, will you say "no but I am talking about scientific data, you should consider this"? sorry, I don't click on external links. I can read if you quote.

Yeah, I'm smart enough. this is the flat world community, where the world's smartest people are. there are other clever people here than me and everyone is aware of this problem. If you pay attention, there is no such thing as panic here. be sure of the above possibilities everyone here knows, they just don't mention it. and there are those who are already part of the conspiracy. I mean, there are those who are already part of the global conspiracy, and if there was a situation that required panic, they would panic first before everybody.

If this problem really had to be mentioned, we would have talked about it. I will not get the vaccine they will develop whatever they do. Some members here, who are part of the conspiracy, will say, "We are very happy we had that vaccine," but no one will do it. and we know that.

Thank you for coming up here and informing us. this was not necessary. There really was no need for this. You can continue but this will be just waste of time for you.

Thank you for coming up here and informing us. this was not necessary. There really was no need for this. You can continue but this will be just waste of time for you.

It is my genuine pleasure.

I have no evidence for my opinions. They are merely my assumptions which you should consider as just assumptions.

These links are interesting.
Clicking them won't hurt your device but I respect your OPSEC.

https://nationalfile.com/harvard-chemical-biology-scientist-arrested-for-receiving-over-2m-from-chinese-wuhan-university/

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/harvard-university-professor-and-two-chinese-nationals-charged-three-separate-china-related

This is a useful link to deny news sites clicks or read an article without visiting a site.
archive.is

Quote from: MaNaeSWolf on February 04, 2020, 03:09:03 AM

Thanks wise, you just caused more people to die!

That's disgusting and unnecessary.
We are merely having a discussion about our opinions.
Isn't this a flat earth website?

I agree with unnecessary maybe.
But not disgusting.

It is not a coincidence that such a virus appeared in China suddenly. there are two possibilities here.
1) biological warfare
2) to scare anti-vaxxers

There is a third possibility, it was caused by a virus that was passed on from animals to humans. The same way all other pandemics in history did. And seeing that there are a lot of places for human - animal contact in China, this is by a long shot the most likely scenario.

and your point 2)
There are so few actual anti-vaxer communitites outside of the USA that they have essentially no effect on on a Geo-political landscape. Basically, any time spent making a weapon for anti-vaxers is time 100% wasted.

Ohahah. Harward. The world's most comedy univercity. >I remember a harward professor told there aren't chemtrails exist. This is a real page of harward, they claims chemtrails aren't exist and only a conspiracy.

I have asked him via mail that "What you mean conspiracy? Aren't you throwing medicines into swamps from the plane to kill mosquitoes? Is not it a kind of chemtrails?". He never replied me. 

There is a third possibility, it was caused by a virus that was passed on from animals to humans.

This is a strong possibility.

I'd appreciate it if we kept the anti-vax stuff contained in another thread.

It's my personal opinion that Vaccines do far more good than harm.

Ohahah. Harward. The world's most comedy univercity. >I remember a harward professor told there aren't chemtrails exist. This is a real page of harward, they claims chemtrails aren't exist and only a conspiracy.

I have asked him via mail that "What you mean conspiracy? Aren't you throwing medicines into swamps from the plane to kill mosquitoes? Is not it a kind of chemtrails?". He never replied me. 

I'd also appreciate it if we kept chemtrail discussion contained in another thread.