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I think some people are pissed it was done mid flight thereby giving a 'fuck you' to some people's personal risk assessments.

We'll all get it someday. I still wear my mask out though. Others can do what they like. Still most of the masks that people do wear might have been okay with the Wuhan strain but omicron? Useless

Super creepy. Thousands of Shanghai residents are screaming out their apartment windows. Unable to leave for any reason. These people are pushed to the brink

Like i said early on.
Time to rethink jail and if it makes better or worse people.

I haven't been on a plane in a long time, but don't they still serve snacks and drinks? Do they think covid held its breath while you take a sip?

Anyway, people are posting pictures of themselves defiantly wearing their masks and calling others COVIDIOTS on Twitter.

Theres the dilution factor.
So limotied unmasked is not a big deal.
Sitting there pumpung out your fumes is.

Its a shame such stupid object has been politicized to this point that reason has been lost.
Youre either alt right maga libertarian covid denier or youre fearful libtard sheep with unpure blood.

Theres no middle ground.

Two years diligently wearing masks, my hubby and myself managed to avoid coronavirus.  The company my hubby works for dropped their mask requirement a week ago, et voila, now he has covid.

People are freaking out because the airline mask mandate was lifted. You can still wear one if you want to! Go ahead, wear that paper mask if it makes you feel better. lol

I do wear a mask, and it makes me feel better that if I catch COVID (or just the flu) I'll at least be spreading it to less people. I understand that my wearing a cloth or paper mask offers me no protection from catching it.

I'm not freaking out that the mandate is lifted, but I'm sad that people are so selfish and care so little about others that they are unwilling to suffer mild inconvenience to save lives. Nothing matters but themselves. I'm not terrified I'm going to die because the mandate was lifted, I'm just deeply disappointed in humanity.

Wearing masks helps prevent COVID. The GOP knows this and chooses to encourage people to die just to own the libs, and people fall for it.

Also, imagine being the dumbarse that ripped off their mask and shouted 'YAY!' and then got their life or loved ones fucked over by covid. Most will be fine - but their will be more than a few (especially those not vaccinated and not got any immunity) that will get unstuck

At least if you got covid, while wearing a mask, you at least know you did everything you humanly could to avoid the calamity.

One way to look at it is, this (omicron strain) is ~3x more serious than influenza while as infectious as measles. To hell with gambling with that!

Two years diligently wearing masks, my hubby and myself managed to avoid coronavirus.  The company my hubby works for dropped their mask requirement a week ago, et voila, now he has covid.

Correlation is not causation.

Wait, you guys are back to saying the paper and cloth masks are preventing people from catching the corone?  I thought the science said they were pretty much useless, and you should be wearing a properly fitted N95.

As far as I know the cloth and paper masks are only effective at preventing you from giving covid to other people.

N95 works quite a bit better but I don't know if that holds true with omicron.

As far as I know the cloth and paper masks are only effective at preventing you from giving covid to other people.

N95 works quite a bit better but I don't know if that holds true with omicron.

For the original strain, the cloth abc paper masks lowered the risk you would pass it on. With omicron,all bets are off

If everyone wore an n95/P2 mask, and their were controls on people density even omicron would have trouble finding a host. It's not impossible though. If you're at a restaurant or any place people need to take it off (like an Airplane when eating food) then the mask is largely redundant whatever it is

As far as I know the cloth and paper masks are only effective at preventing you from giving covid to other people.

There are no decent quality studies to actually support that assertion.

Quote from: Crouton on April 20, 2022, 07:30:37 AM

As far as I know the cloth and paper masks are only effective at preventing you from giving covid to other people.

There are no decent quality studies to actually support that assertion.

That they only prevent the host from infecting others or that they work at all?

There are a lot of studies that they they're doing something.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html

Wait, you guys are back to saying the paper and cloth masks are preventing people from catching the corone?  I thought the science said they were pretty much useless, and you should be wearing a properly fitted N95.

I thought I made it pretty clear that cloth and paper masks help prevent you from spreading it to others.  They do little to nothing to protect you from catching it. 

Wearing a mask means you are helping other people, which some people seem to have a problem with. 

Why is this so confusing to some people?

Well it's a non issue now.  N95 masks are easy to get these days.

"surgical mask"
to minimize the surgeon from breathing and spitting into the open cavity of the patient.

or in everyone else's case within 6ft distanced person's eyeball and open breathing holes.

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on April 20, 2022, 07:28:02 AM

Wait, you guys are back to saying the paper and cloth masks are preventing people from catching the corone?  I thought the science said they were pretty much useless, and you should be wearing a properly fitted N95.

I thought I made it pretty clear that cloth and paper masks help prevent you from spreading it to others.  They do little to nothing to protect you from catching it. 

Wearing a mask means you are helping other people, which some people seem to have a problem with. 

Why is this so confusing to some people?

Masks blunt the spread, but it really needs everyone wearing it. They weren't (or shouldn't have) touted as stopping transmission. Just reducing it to 'flatten the curve' so hospitals could keep up

If an infected person sneezes in an enclosed room and you are wearing a paper or those bullshit 'fashion' masks, then you may as well not be wearing it. If both the infected sneezer and you are wearing an n95/p2 mask, then you have a better chance. Better - not a guarantee

Pretty gross to sneeze in your own mask though. Yeich.

Quote from: JJA on April 20, 2022, 08:01:57 AM

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on April 20, 2022, 07:28:02 AM

Wait, you guys are back to saying the paper and cloth masks are preventing people from catching the corone?  I thought the science said they were pretty much useless, and you should be wearing a properly fitted N95.

I thought I made it pretty clear that cloth and paper masks help prevent you from spreading it to others.  They do little to nothing to protect you from catching it. 

Wearing a mask means you are helping other people, which some people seem to have a problem with. 

Why is this so confusing to some people?

Masks blunt the spread, but it really needs everyone wearing it. They weren't (or shouldn't have) touted as stopping transmission. Just reducing it to 'flatten the curve' so hospitals could keep up

If an infected person sneezes in an enclosed room and you are wearing a paper or those bullshit 'fashion' masks, then you may as well not be wearing it. If both the infected sneezer and you are wearing an n95/p2 mask, then you have a better chance. Better - not a guarantee

Pretty gross to sneeze in your own mask though. Yeich.

The more people that wear a mask the better, but one infected person wearing one and preventing another 10 infections is still another 10 infections prevented. Masks are not 100% but still help, even if you sneeze into one.

And every infection not only can spread to others, but is a potential mutation point for another strain.

So regardless it's a good idea to wear one, even if nobody else is. But for some "Oh no I'm mildly inconvenienced" is their primary concern, and screw the rest of the world or other people.

In some parts of the world it's always been common sense to wear masks in flu season or if you think you might be at risk of being sick and a danger of others. Well before COVID a lot of countries did this.

Quote from: Masalang the Torpedo on April 20, 2022, 08:16:40 AM

Quote from: JJA on April 20, 2022, 08:01:57 AM

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on April 20, 2022, 07:28:02 AM

Wait, you guys are back to saying the paper and cloth masks are preventing people from catching the corone?  I thought the science said they were pretty much useless, and you should be wearing a properly fitted N95.

I thought I made it pretty clear that cloth and paper masks help prevent you from spreading it to others.  They do little to nothing to protect you from catching it. 

Wearing a mask means you are helping other people, which some people seem to have a problem with. 

Why is this so confusing to some people?

Masks blunt the spread, but it really needs everyone wearing it. They weren't (or shouldn't have) touted as stopping transmission. Just reducing it to 'flatten the curve' so hospitals could keep up

If an infected person sneezes in an enclosed room and you are wearing a paper or those bullshit 'fashion' masks, then you may as well not be wearing it. If both the infected sneezer and you are wearing an n95/p2 mask, then you have a better chance. Better - not a guarantee

Pretty gross to sneeze in your own mask though. Yeich.

The more people that wear a mask the better, but one infected person wearing one and preventing another 10 infections is still another 10 infections prevented. Masks are not 100% but still help, even if you sneeze into one.

And every infection not only can spread to others, but is a potential mutation point for another strain.

So regardless it's a good idea to wear one, even if nobody else is. But for some "Oh no I'm mildly inconvenienced" is their primary concern, and screw the rest of the world or other people.

In some parts of the world it's always been common sense to wear masks in flu season or if you think you might be at risk of being sick and a danger of others. Well before COVID a lot of countries did this.

I still wear mine. I don't consider it an inconvenience. An inconvenience is catching people's gross colds. I used to have many every year, often back to back in winter. Now? Maybe 1 or 2 since 2020. Masks are great. It's not just about covid for me. It's every gross mouth breathers germs lol

I still wear mine. I don't consider it an inconvenience. An inconvenience is catching people's gross colds. I used to have many every year, often back to back in winter. Now? Maybe 1 or 2 since 2020. Masks are great. It's not just about covid for me. It's every gross mouth breathers germs lol

It would have been nice if COVID at least got western countries used to the idea of wearing masks to avoid passing along colds and the flu.

But some orange haired asshole had to make it political and now a third of the country thinks they cause dick cancer and are made from demon blood.

"surgical mask"
to minimize the surgeon from breathing and spitting into the open cavity of the patient.

or in everyone else's case within 6ft distanced person's eyeball and open breathing holes.

Doesn't really apply to COVID since it's not the droplets you have to worry about. That's what everyone thought in the beginning, but now we know it is aerosol. Right? I mean, I'm not religiously following coronavirus news anymore, but that's the last I read about it.

Regardless, if people are taking off their masks to eat and drink, if they have it, they are breathing it out. There's no social distancing on a plane!  But I also read that the air on a plane is very clean and constantly filtered so you're probably safer on a plane than in a store. IDK.

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on April 20, 2022, 07:53:17 AM

Quote from: Crouton on April 20, 2022, 07:30:37 AM

As far as I know the cloth and paper masks are only effective at preventing you from giving covid to other people.

There are no decent quality studies to actually support that assertion.

That they only prevent the host from infecting others or that they work at all?

There are a lot of studies that they they're doing something.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html

A lot of shitty studies do not add up to one good one.  Amazingly, there has been only one large scale RTC  (randomised control trial) carried out over the entire pandemic, something I can't quite get my head round (as we have poured 100s of billions into pandemic response, but apparently can't find a few mill to find out which public health interventions actually work).  This was the Bangladesh study which, despite the CDC spin, basically didn't show any effect for cloth and surgical masks.

Part of the problem is that mask wearing has become associated with virtuousness and the CDC would like to be seen to be on the side of virtue, so its science reporting is heavily biased to the point of being propaganda.  It makes no effort to give a balanced overview of what we know - it just says "Masks are great - here's a gish gallop of studies which means we're right!  Wear a mask, or you're a bad person"


I'm not saying masks don't work, I'm stating the fact that mask wearing as a public health intervention does not have any good studies to support it (and has a few that don't).

Quote from: Themightykabool on April 20, 2022, 08:11:28 AM

"surgical mask"
to minimize the surgeon from breathing and spitting into the open cavity of the patient.

or in everyone else's case within 6ft distanced person's eyeball and open breathing holes.

Doesn't really apply to COVID since it's not the droplets you have to worry about. That's what everyone thought in the beginning, but now we know it is aerosol. Right? I mean, I'm not religiously following coronavirus news anymore, but that's the last I read about it.

Regardless, if people are taking off their masks to eat and drink, if they have it, they are breathing it out. There's no social distancing on a plane!  But I also read that the air on a plane is very clean and constantly filtered so you're probably safer on a plane than in a store. IDK.

Wuhan may have been right about droplets - it's r0 value was pretty low so masks (any) were okay. Omicron has the r0 value like measles. Nothing but an n95/P2 mask will do to mitigate - not eliminate

Also, on a plane, I wouldn't take off a mask for shitty plane food these days. That's probably just me. Stuff myself and drink before going on. Even the long haul flights aren't long enough to demand I have to eat or drink

Quote from: Crouton on April 20, 2022, 08:01:30 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on April 20, 2022, 07:53:17 AM

Quote from: Crouton on April 20, 2022, 07:30:37 AM

As far as I know the cloth and paper masks are only effective at preventing you from giving covid to other people.

There are no decent quality studies to actually support that assertion.

That they only prevent the host from infecting others or that they work at all?

There are a lot of studies that they they're doing something.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html

A lot of shitty studies do not add up to one good one.  Amazingly, there has been only one large scale RTC  (randomised control trial) carried out over the entire pandemic, something I can't quite get my head round (as we have poured 100s of billions into pandemic response, but apparently can't find a few mill to find out which public health interventions actually work).  This was the Bangladesh study which, despite the CDC spin, basically didn't show any effect for cloth and surgical masks.

Part of the problem is that mask wearing has become associated with virtuousness and the CDC would like to be seen to be on the side of virtue, so its science reporting is heavily biased to the point of being propaganda.  It makes no effort to give a balanced overview of what we know - it just says "Masks are great - here's a gish gallop of studies which means we're right!  Wear a mask, or you're a bad person"


I'm not saying masks don't work, I'm stating the fact that mask wearing as a public health intervention does not have any good studies to support it (and has a few that don't).

The virtue signalling is what drives me bananas!

I think anyone who wants to wear a mask should be left alone. Wear the mask, sometimes I wear one, sometimes I don't, depends on where I'm going. But whether I wear a mask or not does not indicate which political ideology I support.

It's all so weird.

Quote from: Themightykabool on April 20, 2022, 08:11:28 AM

"surgical mask"
to minimize the surgeon from breathing and spitting into the open cavity of the patient.

or in everyone else's case within 6ft distanced person's eyeball and open breathing holes.

Doesn't really apply to COVID since it's not the droplets you have to worry about. That's what everyone thought in the beginning, but now we know it is aerosol. Right? I mean, I'm not religiously following coronavirus news anymore, but that's the last I read about it.

Regardless, if people are taking off their masks to eat and drink, if they have it, they are breathing it out. There's no social distancing on a plane!  But I also read that the air on a plane is very clean and constantly filtered so you're probably safer on a plane than in a store. IDK.

i agree
but droplets vs areosoled the plume of breath is still directional up to distance.

and someone sitting a puffing out their fumes doesn't require the directionality.
so unmasked at your desk is silly when considering the length of time sat.

So whoever's oversimplifying the instruction is doing a diservice

I was just reading some tweets about Paxlovid, and realized I had totally forgotten about it. Apparently the supply has outstripped demand.

The virtue signalling is what drives me bananas!

I think anyone who wants to wear a mask should be left alone. Wear the mask, sometimes I wear one, sometimes I don't, depends on where I'm going. But whether I wear a mask or not does not indicate which political ideology I support.

It's all so weird.

You should wear a mask because that's what the science and the CDC says you should do.  Not do what a talk show host says.

The science is quite settled, wearing masks helps prevent the spread. No politics needed to know what you should do.

What talk show host? And what science?

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on April 20, 2022, 09:25:00 AM

The virtue signalling is what drives me bananas!

I think anyone who wants to wear a mask should be left alone. Wear the mask, sometimes I wear one, sometimes I don't, depends on where I'm going. But whether I wear a mask or not does not indicate which political ideology I support.

It's all so weird.

You should wear a mask because that's what the science and the CDC says you should do.  Not do what a talk show host says.

The science is quite settled, wearing masks helps prevent the spread. No politics needed to know what you should do.

While I agree with wearing a mask, at this stage in the pandemic which is largely turning to just an endemic, I wouldn't impose my standards on others. Frankly, if they choose to accept the greater risk, it's theirs to take, and I know that helps continue the spread. However, I continue to mitigate risk as best I can, not just for my sake and that's all I can do.

Reality is, if the sars virus exists anywhere in the world - it'll spread. It isn't going away - ever. All anyone can do at this point is manage their own personal risk. We have the tools and those that wish to take them up can do so.

My kid just started karate - it isn't something you can do with a mask. So, mask comes off. Life and socialisation goes on. Given he is vaccinated, I believe the increased risk is worth the rewards

What talk show host? And what science?

That one you watch, Tucker. Talk show parody-comedy show. The one no rational person would take seriously, in the words of Fox themselves.

The science the CDC uses for it's mask guidelines. The science that every surgeon relies on when they decide to wear a mask to protect their patients. Because masks help.

The only reason masks are political is Trump and right wing followers. Otherwise people would have just worn them.

I don't have cable, I don't watch any of the cable news talk shows.

It's okay, you probably wear a mask when alone in the middle of a field in the sunshine.