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I wonder if the media will distinguish between people in the hospital with covid and people in the hospital because of covid. I think most hospitals administer a covid test to all patients, so it could look like the hospitals are flooded with covid patients when they were there for something else.

Aren't they the same?
People with covid have covid, people who are in because of covid might have it I'm guessing?
I dunno, I just confused myself.

Maybe she means post covid.

Like if you had it but now suffer long covid
Or your lungs are fkced.

Etc.

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on December 20, 2021, 12:40:54 PM

I wonder if the media will distinguish between people in the hospital with covid and people in the hospital because of covid. I think most hospitals administer a covid test to all patients, so it could look like the hospitals are flooded with covid patients when they were there for something else.

Aren't they the same?
People with covid have covid, people who are in because of covid might have it I'm guessing?
I dunno, I just confused myself.

Not necessarily.  If someone were taken to hospital for something non-covid, but upon testing are found to have asymptomatic infection, would they be counted towards covid hospitalisation figures? One would assume not as medical recordings are usually pretty rigorous.

Quote from: Alexei on December 20, 2021, 01:07:48 PM

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on December 20, 2021, 12:40:54 PM

I wonder if the media will distinguish between people in the hospital with covid and people in the hospital because of covid. I think most hospitals administer a covid test to all patients, so it could look like the hospitals are flooded with covid patients when they were there for something else.

Aren't they the same?
People with covid have covid, people who are in because of covid might have it I'm guessing?
I dunno, I just confused myself.

Not necessarily.  If someone were taken to hospital for something non-covid, but upon testing are found to have asymptomatic infection, would they be counted towards covid hospitalisation figures? One would assume not as medical recordings are usually pretty rigorous.

This stuff confuses me.

Quote from: Alexei on December 20, 2021, 01:07:48 PM

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on December 20, 2021, 12:40:54 PM

I wonder if the media will distinguish between people in the hospital with covid and people in the hospital because of covid. I think most hospitals administer a covid test to all patients, so it could look like the hospitals are flooded with covid patients when they were there for something else.

Aren't they the same?
People with covid have covid, people who are in because of covid might have it I'm guessing?
I dunno, I just confused myself.

Not necessarily.  If someone were taken to hospital for something non-covid, but upon testing are found to have asymptomatic infection, would they be counted towards covid hospitalisation figures? One would assume not as medical recordings are usually pretty rigorous.

The medical records will probably be accurate, but I wonder if the media will report it that way. Like, there could be thousands of people in the hospital for various reasons who might test positive, but would the media say there are thousands of people in the hospital with covid and leave out the part where they're not in the hospital because of covid. It's technically true, but it sounds scary and will make people even more insane.

The medical records will probably be accurate, but I wonder if the media will report it that way. Like, there could be thousands of people in the hospital for various reasons who might test positive, but would the media say there are thousands of people in the hospital with covid and leave out the part where they're not in the hospital because of covid. It's technically true, but it sounds scary and will make people even more insane.

That could be possible, but my gut says that's not what's happening.

The media would have to get their data from somewhere, unless they're just pulling figures out their ass.  Granted, that isn't beneath the media, so if the could they would, I'm sure. If the media were just bullshitting I would assume official sources would call them on it.

The likelihood, therefore, is that they are using official figures.

Given that the medical reports are probably accurate,  it would be safe to assume that they report the number of people they are treating for COVID-19 disease rather that just the number passing through (say for routine treatment) that happen to test positive, and so official figures would reflect that.

Of course that doesn't exclude the possibility that governments could fudge the data, but again wouldn't the medical establishment call out?

Unless they're in cahoots.



I don't believe that, personally.

It works in reverse as well,  i've heard anti-vaxxers saying that most of the people in ICU are vaccinated.  But when you look into it they aren't in ICU because of Covid.

Statistics can be read however your bias needs

In Canberra, with about 99% of people vaccinated, one could look at hospital figures and conclude that the vaccine is bullshit because no non vaccinated people are in hospital but of any admissions, it's only vaccinated ones

Have to look at the data objectively. Never allow MSM to interpret statistics for you

Given it's highly infectious and there are strict controls about dealing with it, if you go to hospital with a fractured bone but also test positive to covid - it's still an added greivence to health care services. The hospital may not be 'full' but they can't exactly stick you in a shared room or ward with other vulnerable people to recover from your surgery or have your caretakers go from patient to patient like they used to be able to

Statistics can be read however your bias needs

In Canberra, with about 99% of people vaccinated, one could look at hospital figures and conclude that the vaccine is bullshit because no non vaccinated people are in hospital but of any admissions, it's only vaccinated ones

Have to look at the data objectively. Never allow MSM to interpret statistics for you

Given it's highly infectious and there are strict controls about dealing with it, if you go to hospital with a fractured bone but also test positive to covid - it's still an added greivence to health care services. The hospital may not be 'full' but they can't exactly stick you in a shared room or ward with other vulnerable people to recover from your surgery or have your caretakers go from patient to patient like they used to be able to

So the vaxxed people are like "Oh we're vaxxed, we won't get it"?

Statistics can be read however your bias needs

In Canberra, with about 99% of people vaccinated, one could look at hospital figures and conclude that the vaccine is bullshit because no non vaccinated people are in hospital but of any admissions, it's only vaccinated ones

Have to look at the data objectively. Never allow MSM to interpret statistics for you

Given it's highly infectious and there are strict controls about dealing with it, if you go to hospital with a fractured bone but also test positive to covid - it's still an added greivence to health care services. The hospital may not be 'full' but they can't exactly stick you in a shared room or ward with other vulnerable people to recover from your surgery or have your caretakers go from patient to patient like they used to be able to

Good point

Quote from: Alexei on December 20, 2021, 01:07:48 PM

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on December 20, 2021, 12:40:54 PM

I wonder if the media will distinguish between people in the hospital with covid and people in the hospital because of covid. I think most hospitals administer a covid test to all patients, so it could look like the hospitals are flooded with covid patients when they were there for something else.

Aren't they the same?
People with covid have covid, people who are in because of covid might have it I'm guessing?
I dunno, I just confused myself.

Not necessarily.  If someone were taken to hospital for something non-covid, but upon testing are found to have asymptomatic infection, would they be counted towards covid hospitalisation figures? One would assume not as medical recordings are usually pretty rigorous.

Good point

Its like how the antivavskers early on kept citing that guy who died from a motorcycle crahs and claimed it went towards covid death count...

Seriously how many peolle were dying of motorcycle crashes rhat they thought this was a valid taking point to excess deaths.

Good [oint

Ist lik how the antivavskers earlly on kepmt siting that guy who ded from a motorccyle crahs and clained it went toeards covid deth penguin...

 peolle  rhat

Kabool, learn to spell better.

Spel chekk, okiey?

The medical records will probably be accurate, but I wonder if the media will report it that way. Like, there could be thousands of people in the hospital for various reasons who might test positive, but would the media say there are

"The media" generally just report the official statistics, which are counted as people in hospital with covid.

Yes, that includes people with a broken leg who then tested positive on admission, but lets face it: if you have a massive increase in infections, then 1-2 weeks later a massive increase in covid related hospital admissions, I think we can assume this just isn't people with broken legs and asymptomatic covid.

Also arcane is supposed to be pretty good.

I presumed an animation based on League of Legends would be the last thing I would want to watch.  Thought I'd give it a go last night, expecting to give up after 10 minutes.  Half way through episode 3 I had to drag myself to bed.

Considering I've never played League of Legends and don't really like the magicy steampunky stuff normally, I'm going to have to say it must be really good to get me hooked that easily.

Gonna binge the shit out of it.

I know.  It's crazy.  The show has universal positive reviews.  And it's based on a stupid arena combat game. 

It would be like it someone made a serious Broadway production out of Daddy Shark and somehow it didn't turn out to be absolute crap.

are we takling about the mortal kombat live movies or the MK tv series?
so good


so good....

are we takling about the mortal kombat live movies or the MK tv series?
so good


so good....

We're not, learn to read, Kabool.

obviously
i already responded with witcher references.
my joke.

you just patrolling the site?
karen of the FE.

obviously
i already responded with witcher references.
my joke.

you just patrolling the site?
karen of the FE.

I'm sorryb hf but sond tu undrtsnad uouw when you cant't eve n type well

Good for japan

Actual support for vax injuries

Amazing

Good for japan

Actual support for vax injuries

Amazing

I have a friend who's pretty switched on, very bright. But the governments obsession with vaccine mandates pushed him down the rabbit hole to full on anti vaxxer status and no one tells me what to do! attitude.

I've always believed that a government who communicates well and treats its people as intelligent and with respect would be far better to get the populous vaccinated as they listen to proper experts in the matter rather than believe they are succumbing to the government (which are the least liked and trusted entity on the planet)

I don't feel sorry for his anguish at being told what to do though and if gets downed by covid, I won't feel any sympathy for him either. He's made his choice. He's like me, doesn't listen to MSM, has no social media and doesn't listen to the government. Unfortunately, wherever he got his information, was from some muppet who clearly did go down the rabbit hole. Now he's down there with them

His choice. I won't deride him for it. I said what I believed and deferred him to listen to career experts and read peer reviewed articles by people who have credentials and know what they are talking about.

If after that he still chooses to believe his healthy diet is 'his vaccine' then that's up to him. It's only a matter of time before he comes into contact with the corone. Hell, despite 99% of my city vaxxed, some kid in my kids classroom building had covid. Imagine no one vaxxed and no mitigating efforts to control the spread. Even if our government talks a lot of shit, they still ended up saving many thousands of people from getting infected in my city alone

Usa and cdc messaging is certianly fucked up.

No support
No financial support.
Vaers info squashed.
Vax is God and dissenters are squashed.
Mixed messaging.
Free pass for big pharma.
Politicizing from the magahat side... for "reasons".

Complete ridiculousness fueling the already antivax antigovt population.

Will be fun in 20-30yrs when kids will ask us about the stupidest timeline for their book-history reports.

https://www.wcax.com/2021/12/22/covid-positive-vermonters-with-no-symptoms-clog-up-ers/

RUTLAND, Vt. (WCAX) - Some Vermonters who are able to find antigen tests and then test positive are clogging up emergency rooms.

The emergency department at the Rutland Regional Medical Center has been overwhelmed with asymptomatic folks.

Dr. Rick Hildebrant is RRMC’s medical director. He says some people who test positive with a rapid test go to the emergency room looking for a PCR test.

The Vermont Hospital Association says it’s hearing similar stories from other parts of the state.

Hildebrant says those who are asymptomatic and receive a positive antigen test should stay home and reach out to their primary care provider.

He says the only time to go to the ER is if you have a positive test and are very sick.

Hildebrant says the flood of asymptomatic people is preventing others in need of immediate care from getting it.

“It’s not so much the beds that are the precious resource, it’s the staff at this time. So we have to have some of our clinical staff providing care to those people and they can’t provide care to the folks in the ER,” Hildebrant explained.

Hildebrant says health department PCR testing is the best option for asymptomatic people, even though the results take a little longer.

He says by going to the emergency department, you are also potentially exposing yourself to someone with COVID who is very sick.

Well, that's different.

Holy crap

The dumbest timeline...

Another right wing conservitard fuckwit getting his comeuppance. In the ICU probably about to die
https://www.sorryantivaxxer.com/post/doug-kuzma-61-newport-news-va-right-wing-podcaster-in-icu-with-covid

According to this story Doug is in the ICU on a ventilator with COVID. Doug is a broadcaster on the FROG News Network (F.R.O.G. stands for Fully Rely On God). This network seems to be at least partially a marketing scam to push Lifewave X39, which is a bogus patch that supposed to activate your stem cells through some kind of channeling of light. This network is also known to be Qanon Friendly and of course, anti-vaxx and anti-heatlthcare in general (which of course you would be if you have an "alternative medicine" you're trying to sell). Anyway, so Doug here got a VIP pass to a Lin Wood Qanon conference in Dallas called Reawaken America. It appears that it was a super-spreader event and many of the Q-people who attended are trying to claim they were attacked by a biological weapon. They weren't attacked by a biological weapon they were attacked by an anti-logical weapon -- their brains. Anyway, Doug is 61 and obese and now has COVID and it's not likely he's going to make it. We'll keep an eye on it.

*I think he meant to say covid. Not crowd

HA! Stupid antivaxxer.

His "last will and testiment" was to be sent home...
DNR
DNVentilate.


Also
Lin wood reaching out to squash reporting and preemtpive damage conteol?

I have no sympathy for him.  His family, perhaps, but not him.

He made his choice.  And should he die, he will die with regret, knowing everything he believed to be truth was a lie.

Maybe some will suddenly turn around and protect themselves, but I doubt it.

I wish the news about omicron would become clear. A week ago they were saying it might not be as bad, but this morning I read that it's just as bad. Maybe they are trying to get people to take it seriously so they are not willing to say if it really is milder.

it's their way of agitating the masses, saying one thing then another contradicting thing. Such as Fauci at first saying the mask doesn't help you, now always recommending it, and two weeks to lower the curve. Always full of B's.