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Florida and Texas are number one!

just a thought

UK - surging cases produced the alpha
south africa - disputably relatively poor so surging cases produce the beta
brazil - brazilian-trump made the gamma
india - surging cases produced the delta


usa is still leading the charge for cases - where's the USA strain?

Will we call it the Southern Gamma? The Republican strain?

Oh wait.. Trump loves branding. The Trump Strain.

seriously though
the usa loves jerking themselves.
look at the CRT and the "outrage" that usa sucks.

would you put it past the shadow gov't to snuff out any variants?
i just find it so hard to believe that one hasn't popped up being they're spreading like... something that spreads really well.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/skorea-detects-its-first-two-cases-delta-plus-covid-19-variant-2021-08-03/

SEOUL, Aug 3 (Reuters) - South Korea has detected its first two cases of the new Delta Plus COVID-19 variant, the Korea Disease Control and Prevention Agency (KDCA) said on Tuesday, as the country battles with its fourth wave of infections.

The Delta Plus variant is a sub-lineage of the Delta variant first identified in India, and has acquired the spike protein mutation called K417N, which is also found in the Beta variant first identified in South Africa. read more

Reports of Delta Plus cases have been few, and a handful of countries, including Britain, Portugal and India, have reported some cases.

"The first case (in South Korea) was identified in a man in 40s who has no recent travel records," the KDCA told Reuters. The source of transmission is under investigation.

Test results in around 280 people who were in contact with the man found that only his son was positive too, Park Young-joon, a KDCA official told a briefing.

Park said it was unclear whether the son was also infected with Delta Plus.

The second case was found in a traveller who returned from the United States. The person had been vaccinated with both shots of AstraZeneca (AZN.L) before the trip, Park said.

Health authorities have said several major vaccines work against the highly contagious Delta variant, which has already become dominant in many countries, but have raised concern new strains may evade some vaccines. read more

Genetic analysis of 3,014 infections last week found 64% were the Delta variant, KDCA data showed, a clear sign the variant has become the dominant strain in South Korea as well. Cases among the fully vaccinated remained low.

Some scientists have said the Delta Plus variant may be even more transmissible. Studies are ongoing in India and globally to test the effectiveness of vaccines against this mutation.

South Korea reported 1,202 new COVID-19 cases for Monday, raising the total to 202,203 infections, with 2,104 deaths.

The country on Tuesday said it has given 20 million people, or 39% of its population, at least one dose of a vaccine, while 14.1% have been fully vaccinated.

South Korea aims to immunise at least 36 million people by September.

Come on. 

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How does an indisn variant get to korrea?

It goes to usa first, changes, then a usa military takes it over to S korea.

But no one calls it the usa variant.

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How does an indisn variant get to korrea?

It goes to usa first, changes, then a usa military takes it over to S korea.

But no one calls it the usa variant.

Covid strain names have a negative connotation. The US doesn't want to be associated with such negative labels as it goes against the 'we are the greatest' propaganda. It's okay to hang shit on other countries though

Going forward let's just call the delta plus strain the US strain.

I know
Thats what im saying.

Hahahahaha
Either get vaccinated or don't.

At some point, after everyone who wants a vaccine has had their chance we will just have to fuck off the hesitators and anti vaxxers and leave them in the bed they've made for themselves. Society should not have to be held back because of them.

Scary thing about this new delta strain in Oz is the amount of young people it's getting (perhaps a result of most aged people being vaccinated so skewed) But it's killing them too. They are seemingly fine one day, and collapse the next day and die

I just realized how to get anivaxxers to take it!

Sell one of them as "The Trump Vaccine!  Developed and approved by President Trump!"

I think they tried that, but it didn't take off.

We shouldn't write off the vaccine hesitant because we are also writing off the people who can't get vaccinated for health reasons, and those who can't get vaccinated because their state wants all kinds of proof of residency. IMO getting the virus under control is more important that politics.

At some point, after everyone who wants a vaccine has had their chance we will just have to fuck off the hesitators and anti vaxxers and leave them in the bed they've made for themselves. Society should not have to be held back because of them.

Scary thing about this new delta strain in Oz is the amount of young people it's getting (perhaps a result of most aged people being vaccinated so skewed) But it's killing them too. They are seemingly fine one day, and collapse the next day and die

This is the frustrating thing about how the government communicates the danger of this variant.  I feel that they're taking the cautious approach, scientifically that is, when assessing it.  So they don't want to draw conclusions about it until they have a lot more data.  But anecdotally I get the impression that this is very good at at infecting the vaccinated and significantly more dangerous to the young.  But the scientists don't want to be wrong so they're reluctant to even hint at that.

It's a no-win situation for Fauci and the CDC right now. The problem with fighting an invisible enemy like this is that, if you do everything perfectly, it looks like you made a whole lot of noise about nothing. And if you don't take decisive action, hundreds of thousands of people die - many more than would have if you had done everything perfectly, and probably by orders of magnitude.

When we first decided to start putting safety measures in place around COVID, people bitched about how it was going too far too fast - the scientists were exaggerating, it's just a cold, old people always die, everyone needs to calm down. And in retrospect, I'm sure the management side of that public communication decided they needed to be a little more reserved and not give in to sensationalism or hyperbole, so it's not a surprise that they are being more reserved in communicating the degree to which they probably feel like the Delta, Delta Plus, or Lambda variants are putting people at further risk. To your point, Crouton, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that they can intuitively say to themselves "this seems like it's going to be an issue, but we need to get the data before we make this public in order to avoid past communication pitfalls."

Quote from: Shifter on August 04, 2021, 05:04:29 AM

At some point, after everyone who wants a vaccine has had their chance we will just have to fuck off the hesitators and anti vaxxers and leave them in the bed they've made for themselves. Society should not have to be held back because of them.

Scary thing about this new delta strain in Oz is the amount of young people it's getting (perhaps a result of most aged people being vaccinated so skewed) But it's killing them too. They are seemingly fine one day, and collapse the next day and die

This is the frustrating thing about how the government communicates the danger of this variant.  I feel that they're taking the cautious approach, scientifically that is, when assessing it.  So they don't want to draw conclusions about it until they have a lot more data.  But anecdotally I get the impression that this is very good at at infecting the vaccinated and significantly more dangerous to the young.  But the scientists don't want to be wrong so they're reluctant to even hint at that.

Oh look he changed his tune the exact moment CNN did.

Go figure.

I wonder how much longer it will be before Novavax comes out. I know there are people waiting for a traditional vaccine because they are afraid of the mrna ones. https://cdn.filestackcontent.com/fRM9l0gjQmKfUrWRf86M

I believe Johnson and Johnson doesn't use mrna tech. Ironically it's also the one with the worst side effects.

AstraZeneca also was made using something other than mRNA I'm pretty sure, but I don't think we are giving it out in the US right now.

I didn't know that the J&J was traditional, I wonder why they didn't do a better job telling people about it? Even if it has more side effects, and isn't quite as effective as the others, the side effects are rare and the benefit is better than not being vaccinated.

I read somewhere a couple of days ago that San Francisco is offering free booster shots of Pfizer or Moderna for folks that got the J&J if they want one.

Conversely the New York Times reported today that a new study says that a booster is not needed against Delta:

New data suggest J. & J. vaccine works against Delta and recipients don’t need a booster shot.
"The vaccine (J&J) has an efficacy of up to 95 percent against death from the Delta variant, and up to 71 percent against hospitalization, the researchers reported. (The vaccine did slightly worse against the Beta variant, which is thought to be more adept at sidestepping the immune response than Delta.)"
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/06/science/johnson-delta-vaccine-booster.html

So I don't know what's up.

The mixed messages from the media and various governments drive me nuts. It's like they want us to feel anxious.


Also, now I know why people still don't want the J&J. It's because it uses the spike protein thingy. The traditional vaccines don't do that. They want the dead virus or attenuated virus vaccine, like the flu ones.

The mixed messages from the media and various governments drive me nuts. It's like they want us to feel anxious.

Yeah, it's maddening. I think there are just so many things, so many plates spinning all at once, so many players, so much politicking, so much click-bait eyeball seekers, so much division. Sprinkle some ineptitude across the whole witches brew and info is coming from all different directions though varied mouthpieces of authority. It's just a complete shitshow and has been since day 1.

Also, now I know why people still don't want the J&J. It's because it uses the spike protein thingy. The traditional vaccines don't do that. They want the dead virus or attenuated virus vaccine, like the flu ones.

This I did not know. Here's what I found in a quick search: "The Johnson & Johnson vaccine uses what's known as “viral vector” technology, which uses a harmless, inactivated cold virus to activate your body's immune response to COVID-19. Because the Johnson & Johnson vaccine does not contain a live virus, you cannot get COVID-19 from the vaccine."

I think a lot of the scare regarding the vax's like J&J is because it uses the more traditional methodology kind ala Polio vax, which, from I've read, had some real fits and starts when first rolling out. Salk advised against using one type of protocol but folks went ahead with it and I think it contained live virus which actually gave some people Polio. It took a while to switch everything around back to the proper protocols and in the mean time, I'm sure lots of people got spooked. And then there are the MNRA's which are deemed "new", bleeding edge, even though they are not "new" per-say.

It's a challenge that I hope we can overcome to just, at a minimum, try and slow the possibility of even more and more dangerous variants. Time is not on our side.

Back to J&J, only Pfizer was being offered here back in April when I got my two jabs. Though I still would have gotten J&J if it was offered as the only option. Had I a choice between MNRA's and J&J I would have gone with the former. Not because of efficacy stats, technology, or anything like that, but for the utility and sexiness of having better 5G connectivity and to be able to magnetically stick any form of cutlery to my forehead.

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/566706-the-signs-you-have-the-delta-variant-are

The signs you have the delta variant are different than original COVID-19

One expert says if symptoms are mild, you could confuse your illness for allergies.

Cough, fever, and shortness of breath are common COVID-19 symptoms.

Sinus congestion, runny nose and sore throat are symptoms of becoming infected with the delta variant.
   
Sneezing more than usual is a symptom of having the delta variant.

I'm going to carry a banner that says DON'T SNEEZE ON ME.

The other day my mom was telling me about Mike Rowe's facebook post. She's a big fan and thinks he was talking a lot of sense. Anyway, The Bulwark has rebutted Rowe's post, and I think it's a good article. It has information in it that I didn't know about, and it does a good job illustrating the sort of lies and half truths we are exposed to, and end up believing sometimes https://www.thebulwark.com/mike-rowes-dirty-lies/

This guy has a good theory as to the clotts and inflamed hearts.

Injection into the blood stream instead of the muscle could send the vacine all the way to the heart.
Common practice of aspirating has been phhased out

Looks like some Italians are protesting against vaccine passports by burning their vaccine passports.

I am now trading emails with my state senator regarding mask mandates.

I am a little drunk but judging by his spelling, so is he.

I’m not sure what the problem is. Masks work as in they help lesson the spread of the person wearing it. They do very little to protect you from other people, buts fine as it’s not the reason to wear one.

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I’m not sure what the problem is. Masks work as in they help lesson the spread of the person wearing it. They do very little to protect you from other people, buts fine as it’s not the reason to wear one.

The problem is this. The delta variant infects children much more effectively than the original strain. Vaccines have not been approved for children younger than 12.  Therefore grade schools are the one place where aggressive countermeasures still make sense. But these countermeasures have been banned by certain state government purely to pander to their base.

Ok. I agree with that.