nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)

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Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
« Reply #2370 on: November 16, 2020, 05:40:54 PM »
we're all going to die again

Not all of you. Just a lot of you. But only once so at least there is that :)
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« Reply #2371 on: November 16, 2020, 10:38:49 PM »
we're all going to die again

Just the weakest and oldest.... 

Sadly, it seems inevitable that you'll have people dying in the USA, just because the system will be overloaded and unable to cope.

Stop gilding the pickle, you demisexual aromantic homoflexible snowflake.

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« Reply #2372 on: November 16, 2020, 10:59:55 PM »
we're all going to die again

Just the weakest and oldest.... 

Sadly, it seems inevitable that you'll have people dying in the USA, just because the system will be overloaded and unable to cope.

The shitty thing is, people with completely unrelated to covid problems won't get the care they need. Care that could save their life.

Front line medical staff will probably also be off sick. Carers looking after old/disabled/invalid people who need round the clock care.... What if their carers get infected?

Covid death toll will only paint part if the overall death toll.

America is going to be a great case study about the long term health impacts of this virus. Higher rates of lung cancer? Heart disease? Dementia? Lower life expectancy due to the above? Actually valid questions worthy of study.

I'm glad no one on this forum seems to have contracted this.... DNS and other yanks where their countries have undertaken the 'herd immunity challenge'.... Stay home!
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« Reply #2373 on: November 17, 2020, 06:08:22 AM »
we're all going to die again

Just the weakest and oldest.... 
And the front line workers who get the greatest exposure.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
« Reply #2374 on: November 17, 2020, 06:12:39 AM »
All lives matter

Except for the losers who are weak and old.

Gotcha.

Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
« Reply #2375 on: November 17, 2020, 10:43:20 AM »
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEMGDdGbPTZdRUszOjlLejbcqGQgEKhAIACoHCAow6f-ICzDjj4gDMLHozAY?hl=en-CA&gl=CA&ceid=CA%3Aen

The previously praused ND govenors do nothing plan:
North dakota
762,000pop
11/km^2 pop density
750death
65,000infected
1.15% kill rate
8.5% infection rate

South dakota
884,000pop
11/km^2 pop density
644dearh
66,000infected
0.98%kil rate
7.5% infection rate.


So they have decent hospitals and recoery.
But a dumbass group.


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« Reply #2377 on: November 18, 2020, 09:06:23 AM »
Is herd immunity (without vaccination) even possible if you can get infected more than once?
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Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
« Reply #2378 on: November 18, 2020, 09:10:29 AM »
Is herd immunity (without vaccination) even possible if you can get infected more than once?

I thought the current consensus is that you are immune for months afterwards?
I am not aware thst there is a relevant number of reinfected people.
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« Reply #2379 on: November 18, 2020, 09:11:24 AM »
But they say the bodys reaction is assympotmatic the 2nd time.
Cytokine storm is not an issue.

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Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
« Reply #2380 on: November 18, 2020, 10:28:21 AM »
But they say the bodys reaction is assympotmatic the 2nd time.
Cytokine storm is not an issue.
That's not true for the first confirmed reinfection in the US (which was worse), or the first death from a reinfection that happened recently in Europe (they died on the second go-round, so definitely a worse outcome).

Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
« Reply #2381 on: November 18, 2020, 10:43:18 AM »
ohoooo
yes i see

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54512034

i was going by an article a few months ago of a guy travelling in europe who tested twice over a the span.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/24/health/covid-19-reinfection-hong-kong-study/index.html


ok
so the corone is still mysterious roll the dice.
good luck world!
bring on the murder hornets and global warming.

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Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
« Reply #2382 on: November 18, 2020, 11:38:52 AM »
The corone is a fickle beast. But with Pfizer and Moderna both trying to get to market ASAP, hopefully that puts us a little closer to going back to a more normal way of life.

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« Reply #2383 on: November 18, 2020, 11:44:04 AM »
The corone is a fickle beast. But with Pfizer and Moderna both trying to get to market ASAP, hopefully that puts us a little closer to going back to a more normal way of life.

Given the rate of death and more than a million infections every week now, you would think getting the vaccine out, even if it is rushed would be better than a cautious 'fools rush in' approach

Vaccines are unlikely to kill people and this has gone through several trials already. Covid is exponentially more likely to do harm than a vaccine. At worst, the vaccine may not be as effective as hoped. It would still provide some kind of relief. Or at least, an answer as to whether it works in a large scale or at least for how long it is effective

Just get it out there already. Or do we wait until covid mutates more and more to the point where the vaccine we have put our hopes on is useless?

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« Reply #2384 on: November 18, 2020, 11:45:43 AM »
Trump will put Jared in charge of distributing the vaccine and no one will get it until next year.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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« Reply #2385 on: November 18, 2020, 12:13:17 PM »
Trump will put Jared in charge of distributing the vaccine and no one will get it until next year.
Maybe the states can get into a good old-fashioned bidding war like they did with PPE earlier in the year!

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« Reply #2386 on: November 18, 2020, 12:33:17 PM »
Trump will put Jared in charge of distributing the vaccine and no one will get it until next year.
Maybe the states can get into a good old-fashioned bidding war like they did with PPE earlier in the year!

Isn't New York already last in line to get it because Cuomo pissed of DJT?

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« Reply #2387 on: November 18, 2020, 12:45:28 PM »
Tennessee is going to be one of four states to be used as a testing ground for the vaccine distribution.  I'm not sure which states are the other three though.
markjo, what force can not pass through a solid or liquid?
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Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
« Reply #2388 on: November 18, 2020, 01:00:01 PM »
Maybe we'll get lucky here in Florida, since this is where Trump likes to hang out.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
« Reply #2389 on: November 18, 2020, 01:13:43 PM »
The corone is a fickle beast. But with Pfizer and Moderna both trying to get to market ASAP, hopefully that puts us a little closer to going back to a more normal way of life.

Given the rate of death and more than a million infections every week now, you would think getting the vaccine out, even if it is rushed would be better than a cautious 'fools rush in' approach

Vaccines are unlikely to kill people and this has gone through several trials already. Covid is exponentially more likely to do harm than a vaccine. At worst, the vaccine may not be as effective as hoped. It would still provide some kind of relief. Or at least, an answer as to whether it works in a large scale or at least for how long it is effective

Just get it out there already. Or do we wait until covid mutates more and more to the point where the vaccine we have put our hopes on is useless?


already mutated.
new strain came from a give-take with european mink farms.

also, don't believe the big pharma.
this is just stock posturing.


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Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
« Reply #2390 on: November 18, 2020, 02:06:04 PM »
The corone is a fickle beast. But with Pfizer and Moderna both trying to get to market ASAP, hopefully that puts us a little closer to going back to a more normal way of life.

Given the rate of death and more than a million infections every week now, you would think getting the vaccine out, even if it is rushed would be better than a cautious 'fools rush in' approach

Vaccines are unlikely to kill people and this has gone through several trials already. Covid is exponentially more likely to do harm than a vaccine. At worst, the vaccine may not be as effective as hoped. It would still provide some kind of relief. Or at least, an answer as to whether it works in a large scale or at least for how long it is effective

Just get it out there already. Or do we wait until covid mutates more and more to the point where the vaccine we have put our hopes on is useless?


already mutated.
new strain came from a give-take with european mink farms.

also, don't believe the big pharma.
this is just stock posturing.
If what you are saying is true, it's not "stock posturing." It's market manipulation, and it's the kind of thing people can go to jail for. That's not even accounting for the possibility that in addition to telling stories, they are falsifying the data to generate those headlines. What you are saying isn't impossible, but it's incredibly unlikely.

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« Reply #2391 on: November 18, 2020, 02:09:11 PM »
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« Reply #2392 on: November 18, 2020, 02:15:27 PM »
The corone is a fickle beast. But with Pfizer and Moderna both trying to get to market ASAP, hopefully that puts us a little closer to going back to a more normal way of life.

Given the rate of death and more than a million infections every week now, you would think getting the vaccine out, even if it is rushed would be better than a cautious 'fools rush in' approach

Vaccines are unlikely to kill people and this has gone through several trials already. Covid is exponentially more likely to do harm than a vaccine. At worst, the vaccine may not be as effective as hoped. It would still provide some kind of relief. Or at least, an answer as to whether it works in a large scale or at least for how long it is effective

Just get it out there already. Or do we wait until covid mutates more and more to the point where the vaccine we have put our hopes on is useless?


already mutated.
new strain came from a give-take with european mink farms.

also, don't believe the big pharma.
this is just stock posturing.
If what you are saying is true, it's not "stock posturing." It's market manipulation, and it's the kind of thing people can go to jail for. That's not even accounting for the possibility that in addition to telling stories, they are falsifying the data to generate those headlines. What you are saying isn't impossible, but it's incredibly unlikely.

Did anyone go to jail over Vioxx? No jail and a token fine despite hundreds of thousands of potential fatalities and even more injuries. Big pharma seems immune to heavy penalties

Here is Pfizers rap sheet anyway
https://www.corp-research.org/pfizer

Although I imagine there is no way you would get away with fudging data for a product that you want to put into hundreds of millions if not billions of people especially with the kind of attention covid has been getting
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Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
« Reply #2393 on: November 18, 2020, 02:15:57 PM »
Big pharma has plausible deniability.
Tests results can be interpeted differently, factors can be added.
Ceos are egomaniacs.
One guy couldmt stand to be beat to annojncement
No big surprise 1wk later he comes out with a +5% bboasting.

Its all whos got biggest house biggest yatch hotttsdt wife biggest dick with these guys.

Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
« Reply #2394 on: November 18, 2020, 02:16:59 PM »
Also

Trump greenlit them to do whatever necessary to get it done.
So they can blame trump, use hobos, whatever they need.

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« Reply #2395 on: November 18, 2020, 02:26:21 PM »

Seems like El Paso is struggling.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54966876

Shit show. My wife's Dad lives there and has been one of those anti-masker/anti-social distancing freaks since day one (he actually doesn't have a lot to worry about because when people see him walking down the sidewalk they cross the street because he's a known asshole - Covid precautions defacto built in, but I digress)

They are at capacity with little to no relief in sight. And there's no major metropolis as a relief valve within a hundred miles. The only thing they can probably get more of are morgue trailers.

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Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
« Reply #2396 on: November 18, 2020, 02:47:01 PM »

It's a weird one.

Two weeks back my daughters boy friend caught it despite rarely going out, they were both tested, he had it, she didn't. The local health authority asked if they would be part of a study and they agreed.
They sent two fully togged up health workers round to take bloods swabs and to test all surfaces, left them with sample bags for all body wastes. Then they got the results, he still had it she didn't.
A week later she fell ill, sore throat feeling grim, in bed for two days sweating, they came round again, rinse repeat. The results came back, he still showed she didn't, she just got the results of a third visit, same results and they implied she was just having sympathy pains, now she isn't the hysterical type and is adamant she had what he had but the health workers are having none of it, she's a bit pissed with them.

Now my wife works as an infection control nurse for our local health service, and early on in this she was training staff how to properly fix masks, which involved the trainees donning a hood with the mask on and she would introduce a saccharin spray, if they could taste it they failed, as a precaution after they passed she would ask them to break the seal on the mask partly to give them confidence that they worked but also because about one in a hundred people can't taste the saccharin, in this case they were asked to do it again with something called bitterex, which as the name suggests is foul.
A couple of them couldn't taste either which was unprecedented (she'd done this many times before for staff on acute wards), when she asked them if they thought they had had Covid, they said yes but they had been tested and it had come back negative.

This is anecdotal but she has checked around and quite a few of the other trainers have had similar stories, when she asked the medical officer about this they too wouldn't give it credence. 
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« Reply #2397 on: November 18, 2020, 06:14:47 PM »
Reminder that today is the anniversary of the Jonestown massacre,  909 people died.   Which is less than number that will die today and every day for the near future because of their blind obedience to another leader of a suicide cult,  aided and shielded by science denying Republicans and people like Scott fucking Atlass.

Stop gilding the pickle, you demisexual aromantic homoflexible snowflake.

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« Reply #2398 on: November 18, 2020, 06:21:27 PM »
Reminder that today is the anniversary of the Jonestown massacre,  909 people died.   Which is less than number that will die today and every day for the near future because of their blind obedience to another leader of a suicide cult,  aided and shielded by science denying Republicans and people like Scott fucking Atlass.

Ouch! Perspective is a bitch.

Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
« Reply #2399 on: November 18, 2020, 09:12:52 PM »
Big pharma has plausible deniability.
Tests results can be interpeted differently, factors can be added.
Ceos are egomaniacs.
One guy couldmt stand to be beat to annojncement
No big surprise 1wk later he comes out with a +5% bboasting.

Its all whos got biggest house biggest yatch hotttsdt wife biggest dick with these guys.



Ohooooo
Here we go.
Not to be outdone!
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