Please explain my flat earth

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Please explain my flat earth
« on: January 29, 2020, 09:23:03 PM »
Before I start, I would like to say first and foremost... I dont care if the earth is flat, or round or square. However, math and science leads me to believe it is round.

So I had a friend that is a flat earther. We exchanged a small amount of debate over some texts. This prompted me to do some investigating.
Here is what I found. Prove me wrong please.

He says there is no curvature of the earth. I say.. no matter how high you go above the united states, you will never see austrailia.... ever...

So... I think everyone agrees that google knows its distances from point A to point B. Distances are very important for flights etc. I will even say they could be off by a very short distance, but still extremely accurate. So I got the measurements from different cities around the world. Layed it out in a flat earth. Actually, you can do this as well.... measure the distance from the north pole to 3 countries or points like US,South America, Austrailia. Use the north pole as the center. draw 3 circles around the north pole where the radius would be the equivalent of the distances of the countries from the north pole. Now try to position your countries on those circles.. which is the distance they are from the north poll.... and also position their distances accurately from each other. it doesnt work. Actually one of the distances ended up being double what it should have been from another country. It just doesnt fit.

So I was reading on this site that there were no satellites, and I was like ... hold on one darn minute. I have a tool at work that tells me elevation and location of very specific points in the earth so I can lay out foundations and whatnot for buildings. And it gets its information from satellite. So now my tool supplier is lying to me.....

Then im like ok well if the sun is closer, it would change the shadows and give off the impression of the same shadows of a round earth. Then im like.... wait a minuite... it would always be day... But I did see a picture on this site of a sun setting and there was a debate about curvature. So im thinking like... if we are looking at the sun set and almost dark... does one know that they can call someone further ahead and that person can see the sun rising? Actually, at any given hour of the day, someone is always seeing that hour. With that darkness or lightness.

My friend also sent me a link to a video where a guy was saying there was no gravity, and that actually, the bigger the mass, the less of a force... My thought was .... we use a general measurement called weight. Weight is used in everyday construction. You have to know how much something weighs for a LOT of reasons. Weight is calculated by its mass, which is only affected by gravity. The more mass something has, the heavier it is. If you lay down and put some cardboard over you, you will be fine. If you lay down and put 2 ton of steel over you, you will be crushed. Because that is literally what weight is .. mass calculated with gravity.

I could go on really... but im tired and losing interest.
My suggestions for flat earthers are:
 Take public speaking 101, cause 2 hour videos for 10 mins worth of info is time I cant get back..
 Please use solid facts. If you are doing earth curvature tests, at least model after globalists and use elevations positions etc.
 Please get a map that fits flight patterns we currently use...
 Be professional. More people take you serious if you are professional.

  ......... Signed --- my one day as a flat earther.

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Re: Please explain my flat earth
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2020, 04:57:46 AM »
Before I start, I would like to say first and foremost... I dont care if the earth is flat, or round or square.
You could have just left it at that.  Or not bothered us at all, frankly.
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Re: Please explain my flat earth
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2020, 02:39:52 PM »
That is true. Why should I care if people believe in unicorns. I was hoping for some sort of intelligent response, but I assumed I would get something like that. meh.

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Re: Please explain my flat earth
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2020, 01:18:15 AM »
In case your interested, this is the longest range photo ever taken (edit - on record) and an analysis of the hypothetibal curvature. I'm not really trying to debate you, if thats what your looking for, but you should see this.

« Last Edit: January 31, 2020, 02:54:09 PM by faded mike »
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faded mike

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Re: Please explain my flat earth
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2020, 01:19:14 AM »
You meant the flat earth right?
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Re: Please explain my flat earth
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2020, 02:30:59 AM »
In case your interested, this is the longest range photo ever taken and an analysis of the hypothetibal curvature. I'm not really trying to debate you, if thats what your looking for, but you should see this.

Do you know why it is a record?
Because of the difficult of obtaining it.
It requires quite clear air, and some degree of refraction to obtain it.

There is no problem with it for the globe Earth.

Your video even notes the refraction, and then just ignores it as if it magically makes it go away.

Try drawing it to scale and seeing just how small the refraction is then.

But what about the fictional flat Earth?
Well, the observer is at an altitude of 2826 m.
They can see multiple mountains.
Some key ones to look at are the one for the record, Pic Gaspard, at 3867 m, and the ones on either side, such as Grand Ferrand at 2758 m and Rocher Rond at 2453 m.

Both of those other 2 mountains are lower than the observer and lower than Pic Gaspard.
Yet the peak of Pic Gaspard appears lower than either of those mountains.
Now with a globe and thus curvature, that is to be expected, with the more distant mountain appearing lower due to the additional distance and the curve of Earth causing the base to be lower.

But for a FE, this is impossible.
The shorter mountain needs to be below your "line of sight" at a negative angle of elevation, while the higher moutain needs to be above your "line of sight" at a positive angle of elevation.

So this photo clearly disproves a flat Earth.

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« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2020, 03:00:35 PM »
Not impossible - refraction. To say this is impossible on a flat eartha nd proves the globe...even disprove the flat earth... Do you remember what the long range photo web page is called? "Something horizons".
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« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2020, 03:33:01 PM »
Not impossible - refraction. To say this is impossible on a flat eartha nd proves the globe...even disprove the flat earth... Do you remember what the long range photo web page is called? "Something horizons".
I have no idea what point you are trying to make.

Can you address the issues raised?

Again, the author of the video acknowledges refraction, but then just dismisses it.

Refraction is a quite well substantiated fact of reality.
That easily explains why the distant mountain is observed.
There is no problem for a RE.
This photo is consistent with a RE.

But for a FE there is a very significant problem.
Objects are in the wrong height order.
An object which should clearly be above another is instead below.
Refraction wont help here. Instead you need refraction to be inverted or need another mechanism for bendy light.
You would need light to bend upwards.
But if that does happen then so many FE claims of evidence simply don't work.

So can you explain why the higher object appears lower? If not, this photos refutes a FE.

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Re: Please explain my flat earth
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2020, 04:52:39 PM »
In case your interested, this is the longest range photo ever taken (edit - on record) and an analysis of the hypothetibal curvature. I'm not really trying to debate you, if thats what your looking for, but you should see this.


World Record Long Distance Photo Proves Flat Earth by 7th Day Truth Seeker

Your so-called "7th Day Truth Seeker" claims that the "World Record Long Distance Photo Proves Flat Earth" but it doesn't.

That has been presented many times before, as in here:
In very many cases these so-called cases of "seeing farther than should be possible" is quite explainable when a little extra refraction is included and that "extra" is sometimes even planned for.

One classic example of this is exemplified in the video: World Record Long Distance Photo Proves Flat Earth by 7th Day Truth Seeker.
Note that BeyondHorizons seems to no longer have a website but can be found on
       FaceBook at Beyond Horizons @BHbeyondhorizons or the photos on Flickr at Flickr: Finestrelles ---> Ecrins 16-07-16.

But it is really not so "unexplainable" on the Globe as in:
      Explained: 443 km distance- mountains visible,
      Pic Gaspard (3880m)/Grand Ferrand (2758m) from Pic de Finestrelles (2826m) in the Pyrénées
or simulated at Advanced Earth Curvature Calculator

But just look at the distance of 443 km and the heights of the mountains:
           Pic Finestrelles at 2826 m (from 0:46 in your video) and
           Pic Gaspard at 3883 m (from 0:50 in your video).
Putting those into the Earth's Curve Horizon, Bulge, Drop, and Hidden Calculator shows a hidden height of 3830 m and Pic Gaspard is 3883 m high.

This allows for "standard refraction" which is expected on most days but look at the comment made by the photographer:


No, that "World Record Long Distance Photo" in no way "Proves Flat Earth"! 'Nuff said!
« Last Edit: February 08, 2020, 02:34:00 AM by rabinoz »

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« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2020, 11:55:52 PM »
Not impossible - refraction. To say this is impossible on a flat eartha nd proves the globe...even disprove the flat earth... Do you remember what the long range photo web page is called? "Something horizons".
I have no idea what point you are trying to make.

Can you address the issues raised?

Again, the author of the video acknowledges refraction, but then just dismisses it.

Refraction is a quite well substantiated fact of reality.
That easily explains why the distant mountain is observed.
There is no problem for a RE.
This photo is consistent with a RE.

But for a FE there is a very significant problem.
Objects are in the wrong height order.
An object which should clearly be above another is instead below.
Refraction wont help here. Instead you need refraction to be inverted or need another mechanism for bendy light.
You would need light to bend upwards.
But if that does happen then so many FE claims of evidence simply don't work.

So can you explain why the higher object appears lower? If not, this photos refutes a FE.
Is it closer to flat or global (8 inches per  mile squared)?
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theoretical formula for Earths curvature = 8 inches multiplied by (miles squared) = inches drop from straight forward

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Re: Please explain my flat earth
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2020, 02:00:52 AM »
Is it closer to flat or global (8 inches per  mile squared)?
As a basic calculation with standard refraction indicates the peak should just be visible, while there is no justification for why a lower mountain would appear higher for a FE, I would say it is definitely closer to a round Earth.

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Re: Please explain my flat earth
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2020, 02:41:37 AM »
Is it closer to flat or global (8 inches per  mile squared)?
Did you bother to read the previous post to yours?

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« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2020, 03:04:40 AM »
Before I start, I would like to say first and foremost... I dont care if the earth is flat, or round or square. However, math and science leads me to believe it is round.
There is only one flat earth map type. Measurements may be vary but it is close to be like the following map everytime:



this map is consistent, always valid and always controllable. all distances can be measured at any time.

and these maps below are globalist maps that are claimed to be of real measure. always different, dimensions and image are inconsistent. it can never be checked or confirmed in critical areas. if believing this is scientific, then you don't understand science at all.


which one is right? none of them. but you are free to believe both  these so called maps real and absence created us.

On the one hand, so called science claims conservation of energy. On the other hand it claims absence created very large amonth of energy and matter. If you are thinking you acted scientific by believing it, go on. But you are not. If unlimited matter based on dark matter can be created when nothing is available, why can't popular science prove it experimentally? is the universe smarter than us? According to science you believe, it should be so. But we deny. Because universe even hasen't a brain. How can it be smarter than us? Randomly? Oh cmon, please tell your scientists please create anything a bit randomly.
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« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2020, 04:01:05 AM »
Before I start, I would like to say first and foremost... I dont care if the earth is flat, or round or square. However, math and science leads me to believe it is round.
There is only one flat earth map type. Measurements may be vary but it is close to be like the following map everytime:



this map is consistent, always valid and always controllable. all distances can be measured at any time.

and these maps below are globalist maps that are claimed to be of real measure. always different, dimensions and image are inconsistent. it can never be checked or confirmed in critical areas. if believing this is scientific, then you don't understand science at all.


which one is right? none of them. but you are free to believe both these so called maps real.
No, Mr Wise, the Globe maps are NOT "always different, dimensions and image are inconsistent"!
And you ask "which one is right?".  Well, they are ALL right because they are simply different ways of representing the surface of the Globe on a flat surface. We call those different "projections".

And, in fact, the so-called flat Earth map that you showed is really just another of these projections of the Globe.
The North Polar Azimuthal Equidistant Projection - many flat Earthers simply call it the AEP map.

And you statement "this map is consistent, always valid and always controllable." is simply incorrect.

Firstly: A number of other "flat Earth maps" are claimed to be correct by a number of flat-Earthers.
The main ones the "Tom Bishop's "BiPolar map" and Sandokhan's so-called "True" Flat Earth Map":
Even on this site there is or was "support" for the following continental layouts:

Ice Wall Map
the usual "Flat Earth Map".
   

FE Bipolar Map
Promoted by Tom Bishop
   

DET Northern Hemiplane
Promoted by
   

DET Southern Hemiplane
JRoweskeptic
   


Sandokhan's
"True Flat Earth Map"
And JackBlack reminded me of one more flat Earth map:

South Polar Azimuthal Equidistant Map, Danang

Why do you claim to be better informed than Danang, Tom Bishop and Sandokhan?

Then your claim that "all distances can be measured at any time" is again quite wrong.
Look at Australia on that map or here from the "Gleason's Map" and compare it with what I know as the true shape:

Australia on Gleason's Map
     
Australia on 1855 Surveyed Map

And I know from first-hand experience that the proportions on the Gleason's map and your map are not correct.
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« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2020, 01:53:47 PM »
There is only one flat earth map type. Measurements may be vary but it is close to be like the following map everytime:

this map is consistent, always valid and always controllable. all distances can be measured at any time.

and these maps below are globalist maps that are claimed to be of real measure. always different, dimensions and image are inconsistent. it can never be checked or confirmed in critical areas. if believing this is scientific, then you don't understand science at all.
If Earth was flat, that would be true, as there would be no need to have different maps. It would be a simple scaling down of Earth. There wouldn't be loads of map projections, there would only ever have been 1, with different regions of it shown.
But because Earth isn't flat, there are a multitude of maps, either honestly presented as projections of the globe, or dishonestly presented as a FE map.
That is because the curvature means you will need to distort Earth to map it.
There are multiple such ways to project a round surface onto a flat one.
The most common map projection is a part of the Mercator projection.
This first projects the round surface of Earth onto a cylinder and then unrolls that cylinder.
This keeps it locally accurate, where regardless of what point on the map you pick, the x and y scale will be the same for that point.
However it means as you move around the map the scale will vary.
This has the effect of significantly distorting the size of objects, making objects near the pole appear much larger than objects near the equator.
You can hypothetically have this projection centred anywhere, not just the equator, which would give rise to other such maps.
Other people prefer the area to be preserved, which then means at a given point the x and y scale will be different.

For flights and TV, azimuthal equidistant projections are better, as they show the direction and distance to the location accurately without needing to factor in distortion, but get other things distorted.

Some are more stylistic.
Some give up on trying to have it all connected as one and instead go for minimal distortion on the connected parts, like the dymaxion projection.

Those RE maps have known distortion. If you understand that, you can measure a distance on them, and compare between the different maps, and you will find they match. But not only do they match between the maps, they also match to reality.

So while the RE has many different projections, the underlying object it represents is the same and matches between these projections.

These different projections make perfect sense if Earth is round. But they make no sense at all if Earth is flat.

Meanwhile, the FE map you present has distance which can easily be measured, without any need for considering distortion, but it doesn't match reality.
Because of this, a map presented as a FE will have significant problems, and different projections move those problems around.

The map you present has a MASSIVE problem for the south. It cannot explain the south pole at all.
This leads you to outright reject reality, claiming flights don't exist and outright rejecting the south celestial pole.

This can be "solved" by some people with a south pole centred map, which simply pushes the problem to the north, or a map centred on the equator, which pushes the problem to the other side of the equator.

This leads to many different FE maps which should just be a scaled down version of Earth, which then DO NOT agree in any way.

That sure seems to indicate RE is right and FE is wrong.
That the RE maps, when the distortion is properly accounted for, are correct, while the multitude of FE maps are wrong.

On the one hand, so called science claims conservation of energy. On the other hand it claims absence created very large amonth of energy and matter.
Who claims that? Do you mean the dishonest theistic representations of the big bang?
Regardless, what does that have to do with the shape of Earth?

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Re: Please explain my flat earth
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2020, 04:14:19 PM »
... I think everyone agrees that google knows its distances from point A to point B. Distances are very important for flights etc. I will even say they could be off by a very short distance, but still extremely accurate. ...

If you hang around here for a while, you will find that flat-Earthers do not agree that Google provides correct distances. You will find that flat-Earthers categorically assert that Google lies to us. In fact, not so long ago right here on the FES, a gentleman posted that he is a yachtsman, and has sailed certain routes in the southern hemisphere, and that the distances are as shown on a globe, and not as shown on a flat-Earth map. The poster named Wise (who has already posted in this thread asserting that the wide variety of round-Earth maps prove that the Earth is flat, even though they prove exactly the opposite, as you cannot project a globe accurately onto flat paper) responded that it was impossible for that gentleman to have sailed the routes he claimed.

Which brings us to the basic principle of Flat Earth 101: Deny everything. No matter what evidence is offered, simply deny it. There is no legitimate argument to any of the points you make in your post, so they will not offer counter-arguments or evidence of any sort. They'll just deny the facts, and then (second principle) they will make up new "facts" out of whole cloth.

This whole flat-Earth thing is an enormous game: They have come up with the most ridiculous, the most obviously untrue idea they possibly can, and they're seeing how many people they can pull in to the game and how long they can keep it going by simply denying everything and making up "facts."

They claim that NASA is leading a world-wide conspiracy to hide the shape of the Earth, a conspiracy that includes the United States, Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, the Arab countries, the whole world.

The real conspiracy is much smaller: members of the various flat-Earth clubs have created a conspiracy to try to convince the rest of us that they actually believe the Earth is Flat. I have figured out that Wise himself is a simulation created by himself. The simulation is a flat-Earth believer, but the real Wise is just having a big joke on all of us to see how long it will take for somebody to figure it out. Of course, by the rules of FE, he has to deny it.

Arguing with them is a recipe for frustration. It's much more fun to play along. I'm no good at the game, though. I tried playing along and they rejected me. Wise himself declared that I was not a real flat-Earther. Well, turnabout is fair play, and now I shout it from the rooftops (figuratively speaking) that neither is Wise.  8)

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« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2020, 08:01:14 PM »
Hi Magellan Clavichord. I was sad to see you go, i like reading other peoples flat earth commentary/ideas/beliefs, not to mention your pleasant disposition.
 What convinced you the earth is spherical? i understand their is a whole system of thought that comes along with many great ideas, but  i think personally their could be lots of ways to put the pieces together not to mention the points they leave out, yes "they" methinks. Not to mention: everything that really works today, cell phnes, gps, internet, satellites(?) must work either way.
 Was their one or a few particular things that made you think the globe must be true? I 've just personally re-examined the idea that their is no proof of a globe and value it.
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Re: Please explain my flat earth
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2020, 08:53:19 PM »
I was glad him gone. Because he was mocking us. He still is making missconteption about us. I am sad he came back and did not change at all. I feel lazy even to reply his comment completely wrong.
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« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2020, 11:00:40 PM »
Yeah well, how many people do you think are gonna walk away believing this... youtube is totally hiding all the good info. I didn't read any posts that i saw him mocking, but i'm pretty slow at this. What are we talking about here?
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Re: Please explain my flat earth
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2020, 11:20:18 PM »
I was glad him gone. Because he was mocking us. He still is making missconteption about us. I am sad he came back and did not change at all. I feel lazy even to reply his comment completely wrong.
You just say "his comment completely wrong" but give no reasons or evidence!
Your "I feel lazy even to reply" is simply an excuse for your having no answers!

But you never have any evidence for you claims all you ever say is that everybody else is wrong.

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« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2020, 11:35:12 PM »
Yeah well, how many people do you think are gonna walk away believing this... youtube is totally hiding all the good info. I didn't read any posts that i saw him mocking, but i'm pretty slow at this.
No, YouTube is not "totally hiding all the good info"!
It is simply not recommending YouTube videos promoting conspiracies of any sort.
And the flat-Earth requires a massive conspiracy involving at least hundreds of thousands hiding "God and the true shape of the Earth".

The flat-Earth certainly involves some worldwide conspiracy to claim that all photos from space are fake.
On genuine photo or time-lapse like this from space kills any idea of a flat-Earth.


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Re: Please explain my flat earth
« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2020, 01:47:35 AM »
Not to mention: everything that really works today, cell phnes, gps, internet, satellites(?) must work either way.
Not necessarily.
They only need to be capable of working with however Earth actually is.
If Earth isn't flat then there is no necessity for them to work for a FE.

Most internet and cell phones would work fine.
But GPS and satellites work with a RE, not a flat one.

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Re: Please explain my flat earth
« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2020, 03:11:52 AM »
Not to mention: everything that really works today, cell phnes, gps, internet, satellites(?) must work either way.
No, I'm afraid that there's no reason for "everything that really works today . . . . . . . . .  must work either way".
There are quite a number of things that would not be the same if the Earth were flat and shaped like this:

If you disagree please explain all of these if the Earth were flat and laid out as in that map:
Satellites which are needed for:
  • Satellite TV - which require geostationary satellites as can be demonstrated in a number of ways.
  • Weather Satellites - which also require geostationary satellites and give almost real time photos of cloud formations and other details. Each satellite covers almost half the Globe.
  • GPS navigation - flat-Earthers try to explain these without satellites but the explanations fall flat.
  • Satellite phones which can be used far from any cellphone towers including over oceans and now Antarctica.
Southern Hemisphere non-stop flights:
  • Johannesburg to/from Sydney.
  • Sydney to/from Santiago, Chile.
  • Aukland, New Zealand, to/from Santiago, Chile.
If the Earth were flat the distances would be too great for the planes use to fly non-stop.
Not only that but the directions flown would be quite different.

Circumnavigation of the Earth via both the North Pole and the South Pole: Here are a few polar-circumnavigations:

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Re: Please explain my flat earth
« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2020, 05:24:28 AM »
Yeah well, how many people do you think are gonna walk away believing this... youtube is totally hiding all the good info. I didn't read any posts that i saw him mocking, but i'm pretty slow at this. What are we talking about here?
I have chosed a snowman avatar to him represents him so called belief. He is already telling what he thinks about us. He told all of we believers are playing game here and he has tried to enter the game. It is a mocking by itself. Even after he has decided being a globalist role he is still mocking. There is a idicom about it "sour grapes". He never became a believer because he was always mocking. He is admitting now that he was trying to make him accept us being a believer, although he was a globalist everytime. Was not it a mocking? He has tried it and planned to mocking more after he told he is not a believer like whole others. We are not playing, we are not globalists playing role. He is now coming and telling him being a globalist that I have already told him being a globalist during he told being a believer. Where is seriusness here? All about him are completely a joke. He is not deserving even a serious answer.

I am thinking to add him to the list of angry globalists, because actually he is so. He is no different other than rabinoz or jackblack those have endless anger to all kind of beliefs. I can do that. He really deserves it.
He (somebody) is a troll homo playing role of girl.

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magellanclavichord

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Re: Please explain my flat earth
« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2020, 07:27:25 AM »
Hi Magellan Clavichord. I was sad to see you go, i like reading other peoples flat earth commentary/ideas/beliefs, not to mention your pleasant disposition.
 What convinced you the earth is spherical? i understand their is a whole system of thought that comes along with many great ideas, but  i think personally their could be lots of ways to put the pieces together not to mention the points they leave out, yes "they" methinks. Not to mention: everything that really works today, cell phnes, gps, internet, satellites(?) must work either way.
 Was their one or a few particular things that made you think the globe must be true? I 've just personally re-examined the idea that their is no proof of a globe and value it.

Hi Faded Mike.

Wise is half right: I never believed the Earth was flat. But I am not angry and I never was. When I stumbled on this forum I was amazed by the idea that anybody could possibly believe such a thing. I saw that some folks here were presenting the actual science, and the FEers were responding with the most ridiculous nonsense imaginable. I realized that it was all a joke. The divide was not between flat-Earth believers and round-Earth believers; the divide was between people who were playing a silly game of flat-Earth, and people who thought the FEers really believed it.

So rather than repeat the same science that others, like Rabinoz and Jack Black were already presenting, I decided to join the game and play a flat-Earther. But I gave it a twist: I said all of science is real except the shape of the Earth. But sadly, that broke the rules of the game because you're supposed to deny all of science, not just the shape of the Earth. I saw it as a role-playing game. But I couldn't sell the charade, so I "converted" to RE and dropped off the forum for a while.

I don't know why Wise has decided to label me as "angry." But English is not his first language, so maybe he does not understand what the word means. I forgive him for that. He's got people convinced that he actually believe this FE silliness, but you've just got to read his posts to see that he's laughing at all of us, because he's just making shit up and turning everything on its head. The brilliance of really good nonsense is that you can't argue against it. You just have to enjoy it.

I am enjoying it. I like Wise. He's brilliant. He's not crazy or stupid in the least, but he's created an on-line persona that is completely bonkers, and he's sold it so well that nearly everybody here believes it.

Don't make the mistake that I did. If you decide to play the side of flat-Earth, deny everything and make up the craziest nonsense you can. You will be welcomed into the FE team with open arms. But be careful, because the worst thing you can do is take any of it seriously.

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magellanclavichord

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Re: Please explain my flat earth
« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2020, 07:29:24 AM »
I have chosed a snowman avatar to him represents him so called belief.

Thanks for the explanation. :) I was wondering about the snowman.

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wise

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Re: Please explain my flat earth
« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2020, 08:43:50 AM »
But be careful, because the worst thing you can do is take any of it seriously.
First you have to give an example what you have lived negative after you have get serious wise. Was it wrong to represent you with a snowman? Which one was the mistake using snowman a man's avatar who tells believe but actually not; or your behaving a believer when you are not so.
You are the only mistake in this dialogue. Correct yourself.
He (somebody) is a troll homo playing role of girl.

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faded mike

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Re: Please explain my flat earth
« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2020, 09:21:50 AM »
I don't think this is a game, I'm sorry but i just wanna take a second to explain that for me it's more about science invading more and more aspects of our life, and being used as an end all decision maker.  And honestly  i'm not convinced about some of their supposed rock solid building blocks, and i'm here to try to figure this out and since i perceived an absence in flat earth comments(imho) on this site i like to reiterate the basics of the belief (as i understand them) for passersby because i think its important.

Just look at the pyramids and the lack of solid explanation.

NASA selling rfid chip technology suggested for the medical industry? is that for product or people?
"Using our vast surveillance system, we've uncovered revolutionary new information..."
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theoretical formula for Earths curvature = 8 inches multiplied by (miles squared) = inches drop from straight forward

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sokarul

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Re: Please explain my flat earth
« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2020, 11:15:16 AM »
NASA is independent of RFID tags.
ANNIHILATOR OF  SHIFTER

It's no slur if it's fact.

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JackBlack

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Re: Please explain my flat earth
« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2020, 12:35:50 PM »
Just look at the pyramids and the lack of solid explanation.
People have several ideas of how they could have been made. The problem is in finding out which it was. It is like an unsolved crime, we just don't have the evidence to show exactly how it happened, it isn't that we have no idea how it could have happened.