The essence of the facts

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The essence of the facts
« on: January 06, 2020, 11:33:09 PM »
Muslims worship a God that is different from the one worshipped by Christians and Jews.
This might be due to the fact that Muslims often refer to God as "Allah". This concept is false, since "Allah" is simply the Arabic word for the One true "God" Who created the universe and all humanity. Let there be no doubt - Muslims worship the God of Noah, Abraham, Moses, David and Jesus. However, it is certainly true that Jews, Christians and Muslims all have different concepts of Almighty God. For example, Muslims - like Jews - reject the Christian beliefs of the Trinity and the Divine Incarnation.


This, however, does not mean that each of these three religions worships a different God - because, as we have already said, there is only One True God. Judaism, Christianity and Islam all claim to be “Abrahamic Faiths”, and all of them are also classified as “monotheistic.” However, Islam teaches that other religions have, in one way or another, distorted and nullified a pure and proper belief in Almighty God by neglecting His true teachings and mixing them with man-made ideas. Islam calls upon people to return to the one true God and to worship and obey Him alone. Islam teaches that God should be approached without intermediaries. That is because the merciful all-knowing God is completely in control of everything that exists and that He can bestow His grace and mercy on His creatures as He pleases; therefore no intercession, atonement or incarnation is necessary.


Arabic speaking people of all religions refer to God as "Allah". For example, if you pick up an Arabic translation of the Christian Bible you will see the word "Allah" where "God" is used in English. Therefore, Allah is not the god of only the Muslims, but the same God worshipped by all monotheistic faiths. This idea that "Allah" is different from "God" is illogical since it is tantamount to saying that the French worship a different "god" because they use the word "Dieu", that Spaniards worship a different "god" because they say "Dios" or that the Hebrews worshipped a different "god" because they called Him "Yahweh"!
The Quran, which is the divine scripture of Muslims, was revealed in the Arabic language, so Muslims use the word "Allah" for "God", even when they are speaking other languages. A more literal translation of "Allah" into English might be "the one- and-only God" or "the one true God".
It should be clearly understood that what Islam is primarily concerned with is correcting humankind's concept of Almighty God. What people are ultimately going to be held accountable for at the end of Day of Judgment is not whether they preferred the word "Allah" or the word "God", but what their concept of Him is. The true concept of God is clarified only within the message revealed by Him. The last message sent by God, or Allah, is the Quran.

بروفيسورة تتحدى ذاكر نايك وتقول له اثبت انني على خطأ وسوف ادخل الاسلام .. تحدي خطير جداً !!


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Re: The essence of the facts
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2020, 03:54:04 AM »
Muslims worship a God that is different from the one worshipped by Christians and Jews.

Nope.  God says you are wrong.
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Re: The essence of the facts
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2020, 04:10:28 AM »
Muslims worship a God that is different from the one worshipped by Christians and Jews.

Nope.  God says you are wrong.

LOL, owned by the first sentence.
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Re: The essence of the facts
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2020, 04:16:38 AM »
Muslims worship a God that is different from the one worshipped by Christians and Jews.
This might be due to the fact that Muslims often refer to God as "Allah". This concept is false, since "Allah" is simply the Arabic word for the One true "God" Who created the universe and all humanity. Let there be no doubt - Muslims worship the God of Noah, Abraham, Moses, David and Jesus. However, it is certainly true that Jews, Christians and Muslims all have different concepts of Almighty God. For example, Muslims - like Jews - reject the Christian beliefs of the Trinity and the Divine Incarnation.


This, however, does not mean that each of these three religions worships a different God - because, as we have already said, there is only One True God. Judaism, Christianity and Islam all claim to be “Abrahamic Faiths”, and all of them are also classified as “monotheistic.” However, Islam teaches that other religions have, in one way or another, distorted and nullified a pure and proper belief in Almighty God by neglecting His true teachings and mixing them with man-made ideas. Islam calls upon people to return to the one true God and to worship and obey Him alone. Islam teaches that God should be approached without intermediaries. That is because the merciful all-knowing God is completely in control of everything that exists and that He can bestow His grace and mercy on His creatures as He pleases; therefore no intercession, atonement or incarnation is necessary.


Arabic speaking people of all religions refer to God as "Allah". For example, if you pick up an Arabic translation of the Christian Bible you will see the word "Allah" where "God" is used in English. Therefore, Allah is not the god of only the Muslims, but the same God worshipped by all monotheistic faiths. This idea that "Allah" is different from "God" is illogical since it is tantamount to saying that the French worship a different "god" because they use the word "Dieu", that Spaniards worship a different "god" because they say "Dios" or that the Hebrews worshipped a different "god" because they called Him "Yahweh"!
The Quran, which is the divine scripture of Muslims, was revealed in the Arabic language, so Muslims use the word "Allah" for "God", even when they are speaking other languages. A more literal translation of "Allah" into English might be "the one- and-only God" or "the one true God".
It should be clearly understood that what Islam is primarily concerned with is correcting humankind's concept of Almighty God. What people are ultimately going to be held accountable for at the end of Day of Judgment is not whether they preferred the word "Allah" or the word "God", but what their concept of Him is. The true concept of God is clarified only within the message revealed by Him. The last message sent by God, or Allah, is the Quran.

بروفيسورة تتحدى ذاكر نايك وتقول له اثبت انني على خطأ وسوف ادخل الاسلام .. تحدي خطير جداً !!


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Allah and Elohim, just like the words for peace, are simply different spellings of the same word.

Same word...same god...

Re: The essence of the facts
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2020, 06:57:03 AM »
Muslims worship a God that is different from the one worshipped by Christians and Jews.

Nope.  God says you are wrong.
Fuck you.  My god says you are all wrong and I'm right.
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Re: The essence of the facts
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2020, 07:59:02 AM »

Would that be the Shia, or Sunni Allah/God?
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Re: The essence of the facts
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2020, 03:34:30 PM »
Muslims worship a God that is different from the one worshipped by Christians and Jews.

Nope.  God says you are wrong.
Fuck you.  My god says you are all wrong and I'm right.

LOL,  my God says your God sucks.   Wadda ya gonna do bout it?   

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Re: The essence of the facts
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2020, 08:17:28 PM »

LOL,  my God says your God sucks.   Wadda ya gonna do bout it?

Kill people?

The only other option is to accept others as is,
with no animus or historically old preconceived
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Re: The essence of the facts
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2020, 02:33:48 AM »
Muslims worship a God that is different from the one worshipped by Christians and Jews.

Nope.  God says you are wrong.
Fuck you.  My god says you are all wrong and I'm right.

LOL,  my God says your God sucks.   Wadda ya gonna do bout it?
My god will fuck your false god up.  Then my tribe will fuck your tribe up for believing in the false god.
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Re: The essence of the facts
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2020, 03:16:40 AM »
My god will get a prophet who despite being a most wonderous and powerful expression of my gods obvious superiority will be painfully put to death, but that was gods plan all along to show he understands our suffering, so move along nothing to see here.

The vacuum left will be filled by his sisters gardener or his best mates son if they can get the drop on each other quick enough, the loser’s followers will be attacked as apostate and driven into exile to brood and plot righteous revenge, which will be met by devastation and massacre et-cetera down through the ages until the combined toll of my gods followers killing each other eclipses those that have ever been killed by those of other lesser or related gods, amen.
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Re: The essence of the facts
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2020, 02:29:55 PM »
Muslims worship a God that is different from the one worshipped by Christians and Jews.

Nope.  God says you are wrong.
Fuck you.  My god says you are all wrong and I'm right.

LOL,  my God says your God sucks.   Wadda ya gonna do bout it?
My god will fuck your false god up.  Then my tribe will fuck your tribe up for believing in the false god.

Sounds like quite a show,  can I get ringside seats?   Maybe a family discount?

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Re: The essence of the facts
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2020, 03:45:43 PM »
Muslims worship a God that is different from the one worshipped by Christians and Jews.

Nope.  God says you are wrong.
Fuck you.  My god says you are all wrong and I'm right.

LOL,  my God says your God sucks.   Wadda ya gonna do bout it?
My god will fuck your false god up.  Then my tribe will fuck your tribe up for believing in the false god.

Sounds like quite a show,  can I get ringside seats?   Maybe a family discount?

My God quite literally has no fucks to give.
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Re: The essence of the facts
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2020, 01:51:21 AM »
My God quite literally has no fucks to give.
Yeah, I've actually been intrigued by your god....oh, shit here come the mob shouting "heretic" and holding some alarming looking torches...
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Re: The essence of the facts
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2020, 01:53:37 AM »
My God quite literally has no fucks to give.
Yeah, I've actually been intrigued by your god....oh, shit here come the mob shouting "heretic" and holding some alarming looking torches...


. . . and pitch forks.

Re: The essence of the facts
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2020, 10:58:15 PM »
The Quran uses the word ‘We’ when quoting Allah. Does that mean that Muslims believe in more than one God?
Islam adheres to uncompromising monotheism. It teaches that God is One and indivisible. In the Quran, God often refers to Himself as "We". But it does not mean that there is more than one God. The reference of God to Himself as "We" in many Quranic verses is necessarily understood in the Arabic language to denote power and grandeur, as opposed to the more intimate singular form, "I", used in specific instances.
In some languages there are two types of plural form. One is related to quantity and used to refer to two or more persons, places or things. The other kind of plural is one of majesty, power and distinction. For example, in proper English, the Queen of England refers to herself as ‘we’. This is known as the ‘royal plural’. Rajeev Gandhi, the ex-Prime Minister of India used to say in Hindi, "Hum dekhna chahte hain". "We want to see." ‘Hum’ means ‘we’, which is again a royal plural in Hindi language. Similarly, when God refers to Himself in the Quran, He sometimes uses the Arabic word 'nahnu', meaning ‘We’. It does not indicate a plurality of number but the plurality of power and majesty.
The oneness of God is stressed throughout the Quran. A clear example is in this short chapter “Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him.” (Quran 112:1-4)


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Re: The essence of the facts
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2020, 10:23:50 PM »
The Quran says that Allah is merciful and that He gives severe punishment. So is He forgiving or is He vengeful?
The Quran mentions many times that God is the Most Merciful. In fact, all except one of the 114 chapters of the Quran begin with Bismillaahi Aahmaani Arraheem, which means, "I begin with the name of God, the Entirely Merciful and the Especially Merciful". These two descriptions of God are sometimes translated as "The Compassionate, the Merciful"; however in Arabic grammar, both names are an intensive form of the word "merciful". Rahmaan means merciful to all creation, and justice is part of this mercy. Raheem means merciful especially to the believers and forgiveness is part of this mercy. A complimentary and comprehensive meaning is intended by the use of both of them together. In addition, Allah speaks of His forgiveness throughout the Quran. In fact, God's mercy and

forgiveness have been mentioned together more than 70 times in the Quran. Allah repeatedly reminds us saying “Tell My servants that I am indeed the Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful; And that My Penalty will be indeed the most grievous Penalty.” (Quran 15:49-50)
Allah is just, and His justice necessitates that He reward those who obey and serve Him and punish those who disobey and rebel against Him. If Allah did not punish the sinful, wicked and evil people who deserve to be punished, it would not be justice. When punishment for wrongdoing is certain, it serves to deter potential offenders. In contrast, if Allah forgave everyone and punished no one, there would be no reason for legislation, ethics or even morality.


Life on earth would be chaotic and nothing short of anarchy. True justice, with its true rewards and just penalties can only be found with Allah, and that is what He has promised in the Quran “We shall set up scales of justice for the Day of Judgment, so that not a soul will be dealt with unjustly in the least, and if there be (no more than) the weight of a mustard seed, We will bring it (to account): and enough are We to take account.” (Quran 21:47)
Allah forgives all those who repent and correct themselves at any stage in their lives, and He has invited all people to His abundant forgiveness and mercy:
Say: ‘O My slaves who have transgressed against their souls! Despair not of the mercy of Allah. Indeed, Allah forgives all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful. And return (in repentance) to your Lord and submit to Him before the punishment comes upon you; then you will not be helped. And follow the best of what was revealed to you from your Lord before the punishment comes upon you suddenly, while you do not perceive. (Quran 39:53-5)
Say: "O my Servants who have transgressed against their souls! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah: for Allah forgives all sins: for He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. "Turn ye to our Lord (in repentance) and bow to His (Will), before the Penalty comes on you: after that ye shall not be helped. "And follow the best of (the courses) revealed to you from your Lord, before the Penalty comes on you - of a sudden while ye perceive not!- "Lest the soul should (then) say: 'Ah! Woe is me!- In that I neglected (my duty) towards Allah, and was but among those who mocked!'- "Or (lest) it should say: 'If only Allah had guided me, I should certainly have been among the righteous!'


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Re: The essence of the facts
« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2020, 01:42:21 PM »
Be careful,my brother

Death will come at any moment

And you will stand before God
God will hold you accountable for your actions
God will ask you
Why not follow the right religion?

Why did you not worship the one God as all the prophets said?

Why did not you look and care about that?

Who will save you from the punishment of God and who can save you?



As I have always said
You should go to Islamic centers
For specialists in Islam
You must know and learn Arabic

May God guide you to the right path

Islam is not just another religion. It is the same message preached by Moses, Jesus and Abraham. Islam literally means ‘submission to God’ and it teaches us to have a direct relationship with God. It reminds us that since God created us, no one should be worshipped except God alone. It also teaches that God is nothing like a human being or like anything that we can imagine. The concept of God is summarized in the Quran as:

“Say, He is God, the One. God, the Absolute. He does not give birth, nor was He born, and there is nothing like Him.” (Quran 112:1-4)[4]

Who is God in islam?



The Most Concise Definition of God:

The most concise definition of God in Islam is given in the four verses of Surah Ikhlas which is Chapter 112 of the Qur’an:

"Say: He is Allah,
The One and Only.
"Allah, the Eternal, Absolute.
"He begets not, nor is He begotten.
And there is none like unto Him."
[Al-Qur’an 112:1-4]
God does not become a human being:

God does not take human form:



Some may argue that God does not become a human being but only takes a human form. If God only takes a human form but does not become a human being, He should not possess any human qualities. We know that all the ‘God-men’, have human qualities and failings. They have all the human needs such as the need to eat, sleep, etc.

The worship of God in human form is therefore a logical fallacy and should be abhorred in all its forms and manifestations.

That is the reason why the Qur’an speaks against all forms of anthropomorphism. The Glorious Qur’an says in the following verse:

"There is nothing whatever like unto Him."
[Al-Qur’an 42:11]
Concept of God in Islam - Dr Zakir Naik



Who is God in Christianity?
The Prophets of the Old Testament such as Abraham, Noah and Jonah never preached that God is part of a Trinity, and did not believe in Jesus as their saviour. Their message was simple: there is one God and He alone deserves your worship. It doesn’t make sense that God sent Prophets for thousands of years with the same essential message, and then all of a sudden he says he is in a Trinity and that you must believe in Jesus to be saved.

The truth is that Jesus preached the same message that the Prophets in the Old Testament preached. There is a passage in the Bible which really emphasizes his core message. A man came to Jesus and asked “Which is the first commandment of all?”Jesus answered, “The first of all the commandments is Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.’’[Mark 12:28-29]. So the greatest commandment, the most important belief according to Jesus is that God is one. If Jesus was God he would have said ‘I am God, worship me’, but he didn’t. He merely repeated a verse from the Old Testament confirming that God is One.

But Christians worship Jesus
They deny all Jesus said that he is not a god but a prophet of God

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Concept of God in Judaism

II) The notion of God in Judaism:

(i) The following verse from the book of Deuteronomy contains an exhortation from Moses (PSL)

"Shama Israelu Adonai Ila Hayno Adna Ikhad"

It is a quote in Hebrew which means:
"Hear, Israel: the Lord our God is one Lord"
[The Bible, Deuteronomy 6: 4]

The following verses are taken from the Book of Isaiah:

(ii) "I, I am the Lord, and outside me there is none who saves. [The Bible, Isaiah 43:11]

(iii) "I am the Lord, and there is no other, there is no other God than me. [The Bible, Isaiah 45: 5]

(iv) "I am God, and there is no other, I am God, and no one is like Me. [The Bible, Isaiah 46: 9]

(v) Judaism condemns the worship of idols in the following verses:
"" You will not have other gods before me ".
"You shall not make yourself a cut image, nor any likeness of what is in the heavens above, and what is on the earth below, and what is in the waters below the earth: "
"You shall not bow down to them, nor serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God." [The Bible, Exodus 20: 3-5]



In Judaism too, we find the same thread of monotheism, which is seen in other religions.

But
The Jews distorted the concept of God as Christians did

God , Jehovah, and he is not an infallible God, but errs and revolts, and falls into remorse, and he commands theft, and he is cruel, fanatic, and destructive to his people, he is the God of Israel only, and he is thus an enemy of others, and they claim that he walks before a group of the children of Israel In a column of clouds.
is belief enough 1 ?? ?? ???? ?




is belief enough 2 ?? ?? ???? ?

is belief enough 3 ?? ?? ???? ?

Re: The essence of the facts
« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2020, 02:05:29 AM »
Be careful,my brother

Death will come at any moment

Frankly, that will be a welcome release from this thread.
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Re: The essence of the facts
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2020, 10:06:06 PM »
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Re: The essence of the facts
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2020, 10:26:57 PM »
Maybe, maybe not. Ultimately the results are inconclusive.
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Re: The essence of the facts
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2020, 10:39:20 PM »
Why does every religion believe they are the "one true" religion?
Is there a religion that admits that no one has a clue about this stuff? I want to belong to this one.

Maybe Mr Yasoo should read up about Pascals Wager and ask, in a world with many religions, how does he chose what to believe.

Re: The essence of the facts
« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2020, 10:57:18 PM »
MaNaeSWolf

Islam is not just another religion. It is the same message preached by Moses, Jesus and Abraham. Islam literally means "submission to God" and teaches us to have a direct relationship with God. It reminds us that since God created us, no one should be worshiped except God alone. It also teaches that God is nothing like a human being or anything we can imagine.

Looking back, what seems strange to me now is not that people would wish to embody Jesus’ values, but that others would criticize them for it. What seems even stranger is that few Christians, in the modern day, match this profile. is that Muslims seemed to embody Jesus’ values better than Christians.

1. Jesus was bearded, as are most Muslims, but only the rare Christian.

2. Jesus dressed modestly. If we close our eyes and form a mental picture, we see flowing robes, from wrists to ankles—much like the loose Arabian thobes and the Indio-Pakistani shalwar kameez, typical of the Muslims of those areas. What we don’t imagine is the revealing or seductive clothing so ubiquitous in Christian cultures.

3. Jesus’ mother covered her hair, and this practice was maintained among the Christian women of the Holy Land up to the middle of the twentieth century. Again, this is a practice maintained among Muslims as well as Orthodox Jews (of which Jesus was one), but not among modern day Christians.
Manners

1. Jesus focused upon salvation and eschewed finery. How many “righteous” Christians fit this “It’s not just on Sundays” profile? Now how many “five prayers a day, every day of the year” Muslims?

2. Jesus spoke with humility and kindness. He didn’t “showboat.” When we think of his speeches, we don’t imagine theatrics. He was a simple man known for quality and truth. How many preachers and how many evangelists follow this example?

3. Jesus taught his disciples to offer the greeting of “Peace” (Luke 10:5), and then set the example: “Peace be with you” (Luke 24:36, John 20:19, John 20:21, John 20:26). Who continues this practice to this day, Christians or Muslims? “Peace be with you” is the meaning of the Muslim greeting, “Assalam alaikum.” Interestingly enough, we find this greeting in Judaism as well (Genesis 43:23, Numbers 6:26, Judges 6:23, I Samuel 1:17 and I Samuel 25:6).
Religious Practices

1. Jesus was circumcised (Luke 2:21). Paul taught it wasn’t necessary (Rom 4:11 and Gal 5:2). Muslims believe it is.

2. Jesus didn’t eat pork, in keeping with Old Testament law (Leviticus 11:7 and Deuteronomy 14:. Muslims also believe pork is forbidden. Christians … well, you get the idea.

3. Jesus didn’t give or take usury, in compliance with the Old Testament prohibition (Exodus 22:25). Usury is forbidden in the Old Testament and the Quran, as it was forbidden in the religion of Jesus. The economies of most Christian countries, however, are structured upon usury.

4. Jesus didn’t fornicate, and abstained from extramarital contact with women. Now, this issue extends to the least physical contact with the opposite sex. With the exception of performing religious rituals and helping those in need, Jesus never even touched a woman other than his mother. Strictly practicing Orthodox Jews maintain this practice to this day in observance of Old Testament law. Likewise, practicing Muslims don’t even shake hands between the sexes. Can Christian “hug your neighbor” and “kiss the bride” congregations make the same claim?
Practices of Worship

1. Jesus purified himself with washing prior to prayer, as was the practice of the pious prophets who preceded him (see Exodus 40:31-32 in reference to Moses and Aaron), and as is the practice of Muslims.

2. Jesus prayed in prostration (Matthew 26:39), like the other prophets (see Nehemiah 8:6 with regard to Ezra and the people, Joshua 5:14 for Joshua, Genesis 17:3 and 24:52 for Abraham, Exodus 34:8 and Numbers 20:6 for Moses and Aaron). Who prays like that, Christians or Muslims?

3. Jesus fasted for more than a month at a time (Matthew 4:2 and Luke 4:2), as did the pious before him (Exodus 34:28, I Kings 19:, and as do Muslims in the annual fast of the month of Ramadan.

4. Jesus made pilgrimage for the purpose of worship, as all Orthodox Jews aspire to do. The Muslim pilgrimage to Mecca is well known, and is alluded to in the Bible (see The First and Final Commandment).
Matters of Creed

1. Jesus taught the oneness of God (Mark 12:29-30, Matthew 22:37 and Luke 10:27), as conveyed in the first commandment (Exodus 20:3). Nowhere did he declare the Trinity.

2. Jesus declared himself a man and a prophet of God (see above), and nowhere claimed divinity or divine sonship. Which creed are the above points more consistent with—the Trinitarian formula or the absolute monotheism of Islam?



One wonders what happened between the practices of the first generation of Jesus’ followers and the Christians of modern day. At the same time, we have to respect the fact that Muslims exemplify Jesus’ teachings more than Christians do. Furthermore, we should remember that the Old Testament foretold three prophets to follow. John the Baptist and Jesus Christ were numbers one and two, and Jesus Christ himself predicted the third and last. Hence, both Old and New Testaments speak of a final prophet, and we would be amiss if we didn’t consider that final prophet to be Muhammad, and the final revelation to be that of Islam

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Re: The essence of the facts
« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2020, 11:05:24 PM »
Muslims worship prophet Muhammad!
Muslims do not worship Muhammad in any way. They believe that he was the last messenger sent by Allah and like all His other prophets and messengers, he was a human being. However, some people mistakenly assume that Muslims worship Muhammad and this is one of the reasons that Muslims were erroneously called "Mohammedans".
Muhammad, like Jesus, never claimed divine status. He called people to worship Almighty Allah alone, and he continually emphasized his humanity. In order to prevent his deification, Prophet Muhammad always said to refer to him as "Allah's slave and messenger". He said – “Do not adulate me as the Christians adulated Jesus son of Mary. I am Allah's slave and messenger.”
Muhammad was chosen to be Allah's final messenger and to communicate His message to us, not only in words, but also as a living example of its practical application. Muslims love and respect him because of his impeccable and upright moral character and because he conveyed the truth from Allah - which is the pure monotheism of Islam.
Muslims strive to follow the great example of Prophet Muhammad but do not worship him in any way. Islam teaches Muslims to respect all of Allah's prophets and messengers. However, respecting and loving them does not mean worshipping them. Muslims know that all worship and prayer must be directed to Allah alone.
In fact, the worship of Muhammad - or anyone else – along with, or instead of, Almighty Allah is considered an unpardonable sin in Islam. Even if a person claims to be Muslim but worships or prays to anything other than God, it invalidates one's claim to Islam. The Declaration of Faith makes it clear that Muslims must worship Allah alone.
Most Muslims find it rather odd that their religion, which strikes a remarkable balance between faith and deeds, are sometimes accused of being "fatalistic". Perhaps this misconception came about because Muslims are known to say "All praise is due to Allah" whenever anything good or bad happens. This is because Muslims know that everything comes from God, the Creator of the universe, and occurs by His will. Thus, a Muslim worries less about material matters and views earthly life in a proper perspective. A true Muslim relies completely on Allah and knows that whatever happens is always for the best, whether one recognizes it or not, so one graciously accepts whatever cannot be changed.
This does not mean that Muslims should simply await destiny and take no action in life. On the contrary, Islam demands action and effort to change every undesirable situation. To be more precise, action is a required part of one's faith. If human beings did not have the ability to act, it would be unjust for Allah to expect them to do and to avoid certain things. Far from being "fatalistic", Islam teaches that man's main obligation in life is to act and exert effort in obedience to God.
Islam teaches that human beings should take positive action in this life and supplement it with prayer. Some people are lazy and careless and then blame the negative result on destiny or fate. Some even say that, if Allah had willed, they would not have sinned or committed crimes. All of these arguments are completely erroneous, because Allah has taught us how to live and has ordered us to always do what is right. Allah has not ordered us to do anything that we are unable to do or prohibited anything that we cannot avoid, because His justice is complete and perfect. Each individual is held responsible within the limits of their ability and not beyond it.

حاخام يعترف :لايجب أن يكون لليهود دوله وهذا أمر من
الله


الباحث اليهودي موشى شارون يعترف أنه لا يوجد دين غير الإسلام

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MaNaeSWolf

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Re: The essence of the facts
« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2020, 11:52:15 PM »
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- Jesus did not Fornicate - I agree, having sex with women outside of marriage would not have been an act of love for him. But no were does it say that he never physically touched another women. Why are women unclean that he would avoid physically touching them?
In fact, women touched Jesus and he praises them for it Luke 7:36–50;
He talked to them in private John 4:1-42
And generally had them at his side and conversation all the time Luke 10:39
Fact is, he did not see women and men very differently, they are all equals in the Lords eyes; Matthew 12:49-50 and many more places in the Bible


- And Jesus does refer to himself as the "Son of God" - John 1:14, 18; ext, ext
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No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.


Not going to answer with everything you posted. But you do have some misconceptions about things that Jesus did.


Overall you are correct in saying that most "Christians" are not very good Christians, or anything Christ-like.
I am Agnostic, partially because I have seen the many failures of Christians who have been very quick to Judge others - Matthew 7:2
But also because I value truth higher that magic

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rabinoz

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Re: The essence of the facts
« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2020, 02:47:46 AM »
Hi Yasooo
Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

You are however simply mistaken in many accounts concerning Jesus.

- Jesus was bearded - There is no account of what Jesus looked like. The old testament "predicted" his appearance, but never talked about a beard, and is not confirmed to be true in newer writings. Most of the images we have of what Jesus looked like is imagined apposed to created from any fact.
He probably did dress modestly, as that would align with his teachings.

- Unless you can find an account of how his mother dressed, I am going to say that you have no fact of this. The disciples do say that women (and men) need to dress modestly in church and cover their hair. However they dont talk of dress code outside of church gatherings.

- Jesus was probably circumcised as he was born a Jew. However he does not require circumcision for salvation. Jeremiah 9:25

Concerning food –
Mark 7:18-23 So He said to them, “Are you thus without understanding also? Do you not perceive that whatever enters a man from outside cannot defile him, because it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and is eliminated thus purifying all foods?”

And He said, “What comes out of a man, that defiles a man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within and defile a man.”

- Jesus did not Fornicate - I agree, having sex with women outside of marriage would not have been an act of love for him. But no were does it say that he never physically touched another women.
Why are women unclean that he would avoid physically touching them?
In fact, women touched Jesus and he praises them for it Luke 7:36–50;
He talked to them in private John 4:1-42
And generally had them at his side and conversation all the time Luke 10:39
Fact is, he did not see women and men very differently, they are all equals in the Lord's eyes; Matthew 12:49-50 and many more places in the Bible.

- And Jesus does refer to himself as the "Son of God" - John 1:14, 18; ext, ext

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No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

Not going to answer with everything you posted. But you do have some misconceptions about things that Jesus did.

Overall you are correct in saying that most "Christians" are not very good Christians, or anything Christ-like.
I am Agnostic, partially because I have seen the many failures of Christians who have been very quick to Judge others - Matthew 7:2
But also because I value truth higher that magic

(I will start to believe in God again if I can figure out how to format properly in this darn forum!)

I hope that's how you wanted to format it.

Very well answered!

I wouldn't bother with the [font=Arial][/font] and [size=10pt][/size] is probably enough. The default in quotes is a bit small but is OK for most posts.

But, I won't hold you to your "vow ;)" that's a personal matter between you and God :).

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MaNaeSWolf

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Re: The essence of the facts
« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2020, 03:01:51 AM »
I hope that's how you wanted to format it.

Very well answered!

I wouldn't bother with the [font=Arial][/font] and [size=10pt][/size] is probably enough. The default in quotes is a bit small but is OK for most posts.

But, I won't hold you to your "vow ;)" that's a personal matter between you and God :).
Thank flying Spaghetti monster thats what I wanted.
Once I copy a source in from a website all my formatting goes bonkers and I have no idea how to reset it.
Tried everything I could think of, including but not limited to
- reformatting the post after I posted it
- Copy the whole thing into MS word and then notepad to copy it back with the hopes that all formatting will get removed
- quoting myself, then editing the whole post again.

seriously nothing worked, the darn formatting just comes along.

since I still dont know how to format, im gonna say God will have to try harder.

Re: The essence of the facts
« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2020, 03:17:10 AM »
1. Jesus was bearded
How do you know?  And was this not normal for Jews of the time?

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2. Jesus dressed modestly.
I'm sure he did, he came from a deeply Conservative culture.  But again, how do you know?

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If we close our eyes and form a mental picture, we see flowing robes, from wrists to ankles
That's because you are picturing medieval depictions of him, paintings made by people who never met him, and are largely completely inaccurate.  Jesus would have dressed like other Jewish men in the area - wool shawl, tunic and sandals.   It's very unlikely he would have had long hair.

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—much like the loose Arabian thobes and the Indio-Pakistani shalwar kameez, typical of the Muslims of those areas. What we don’t imagine is the revealing or seductive clothing so ubiquitous in Christian cultures.
Christian states usually had very conservative dress codes.  It's only the last few decades that "revealing or seductive" have become acceptable.  This is a ridiculous point.


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Jesus’ mother covered her hair, and this practice was maintained among the Christian women of the Holy Land up to the middle of the twentieth century. Again, this is a practice maintained among Muslims as well as Orthodox Jews (of which Jesus was one), but not among modern day Christians.
She isn't a "modern day Christian", so how is this relevant?


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Jesus spoke with humility and kindness. He didn’t “showboat.” 
Well apart from walking on water, raising the dead, turning water into wine, magically creating bread and fish and last, but not least, resurrecting himself.

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1. Jesus was circumcised (Luke 2:21). Paul taught it wasn’t necessary (Rom 4:11 and Gal 5:2). Muslims believe it is.

2. Jesus didn’t eat pork, in keeping with Old Testament law (Leviticus 11:7 and Deuteronomy 14:. Muslims also believe pork is forbidden. Christians … well, you get the idea.

Yes, we do get the idea.  Islam was created 1100 years after Judaism and copied many of it's practices.  Jesus was a Jew, so of course carried out many traditional Jewish practices. 
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Re: The essence of the facts
« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2020, 03:39:48 AM »
I hope that's how you wanted to format it.

Very well answered!

I wouldn't bother with the [font=Arial][/font] and [size=10pt][/size] is probably enough. The default in quotes is a bit small but is OK for most posts.

But, I won't hold you to your "vow ;)" that's a personal matter between you and God :).
Thank flying Spaghetti monster thats what I wanted.

Once I copy a source in from a website all my formatting goes bonkers and I have no idea how to reset it.
Tried everything I could think of, including but not limited to
- reformatting the post after I posted it
- Copy the whole thing into MS word and then notepad to copy it back with the hopes that all formatting will get removed
- quoting myself, then editing the whole post again.

I doubt that Pastafarianism (AUSTRALIA) can help but enough spag bog might help forget your troubles ;D.
I don't know where your material came from.
Often removing all formatting (things like  [font=Arial][/font] and [size=10pt][/size]) might be a good start.
Then you can start with a "clean slate" as I did.

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seriously nothing worked, the darn formatting just comes along.

since I still dont know how to format, im gonna say God will have to try harder.
Careful what you ask for ???!

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Re: The essence of the facts
« Reply #28 on: February 11, 2020, 03:52:02 AM »
I doubt that Pastafarianism (AUSTRALIA) can help but enough spag bog might help forget your troubles ;D .
I don't know where your material came from.
Often removing all formatting (things like  and ) might be a good start.
Then you can start with a "clean slate" as I did.
Thats the first thing I did, still did not work.
Its possible I missed one end command [/thingie] but it should not keep everything afterwards.
It actually gets worse the more I try to reset the formatting
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seriously nothing worked, the darn formatting just comes along.

since I still dont know how to format, im gonna say God will have to try harder.
Careful what you ask for ??? !


I always wondered what all the options where


He does not exist = I die, everything goes blank
He exists but I dont win his game (for one of many reasons) = I go to hell, but at least I figure he always existed, and is actually an asshole
He exists but decides everyone wins = everyone wins


What did I miss out on?
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Re: The essence of the facts
« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2020, 11:27:25 PM »

Thanks to those who participated in the topic
There are hadiths of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, about the physical attributes of Jesus, peace be upon him

Christians in the modern era
They do not want to follow the teachings of Jesus, peace be upon him
Also Jesus, peace be upon him, will not be the Savior of them as they think
look here

المسيح يرفض المسيحيين يوم الحساب! هاشم في حوار مع امرأة مسيحية

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Concerning hijab

So the logic inside or outside the church
Women should wear the hijab and follow the teachings of the prophets
  The application of religion is not only within the church

Since the desire for women is something which men cannot resist easily, God has imposed strict regulations in His successive divine messages to make sure that such a desire will play its legitimate role in the human life and will not be got out of the lawful context in which it was essentially placed, given the fact that the satisfaction of such a desire outside its legitimate framework has considerable disadvantages and enormous damage threatening man’s happiness as they ruin his life and lose him the Hereafter.

One of such strict regulations is the imposition of hijab on women. That is to say, women are commanded to conceal their attractive parts whose charm cannot be resisted by men and only allowed to expose such outer parts of the body which do not cause much temptation and have such humanly reasonable adornment which is quite far away from such finery which involves deliberate display of woman’s beauty and intentional arousal of men’s desires.

In this sense, hijab was made incumbent in all divine messages, including Judaism, Christianity and Islam. No wonder, the female believers in any of the divine messages used to wear hijab.
Hijab in Judaism

Here is the Old Testament telling us that women used to wear the hijab (or the veil) and praising those decent women. In the Old Testament, we read the following verses: “Rebekah also looked up and saw Isaac. She got down from her camel and asked the servant, ‘Who is that man in the field coming to meet us?’ ‘He is my master,’ the servant answered. So she took her veil and covered herself.” (Genesis 24:64-65)

In the Old Testament, we also read: “Take millstones and grind flour; take off your veil. Lift up your skirts” (Isaiah 47:2), “How beautiful you are, my darling! Oh, how beautiful! Your eyes behind your veil are doves.” (Song of Songs 4:1), “Now Susanna was exceeding delicate, and beautiful to behold. But those wicked men commanded that her face should be uncovered, (for she was covered,) that so at least they might be satisfied with her beauty.” (Daniel 13:31-32)
Hijab in Christianity

This is the New Testament commanding women to wear hijab (or the veil) and warning them against unveiling and uncovering themselves. In the New Testament, we read: “But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is the same as having her head shaved. For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head.” (1 Corinthians 11:5-6)

The New Testament also commands women to dress modestly and be characterized by decency and propriety and prohibits them from finery and from uncovering or unveiling themselves. We read: “I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes.” (1 Timothy 2:9)
Hijab in Islam

Being the final divine message, Islam has not introduced novel teachings. Rather, the teachings of Islam came as an extension of the previous divine messages. Therefore, Islam also commands women to be modest and decent and avoid finery and unveiling or uncovering themselves. In the Qur’an, we read:

And tell the believing women to reduce [some] of their vision and guard their private parts and not expose their adornment except that which [necessarily] appears thereof and to wrap [a portion of] their head covers over their chests and not expose their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands’ fathers, their sons, their husbands’ sons, their brothers, their brothers’ sons, their sisters’ sons, their women, that which their right hands possess, or those male attendants having no physical desire, or children who are not yet aware of the private aspects of women. And let them not stamp their feet to make known what they conceal of their adornment. And turn to Allah in repentance, all of you, O believers, that you might succeed. (An-Nur 24:31)
https://www.islamforchristians.com/hijab-veil-bible-quran/
Hijab in CHRISTIANITY & ISLAM



Concerning  circumcision

Although it is clear from the Old Testament that circumcision is an eternal rule in the law of Abraham as in Genesis 17, and so this rule remained in the children of Ismail and Isaac, and remained in the law of Moses as in Leviticus 12: 3. And Christ was circumcised as in Luke 2:21
Luke 2:21 – On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise the child, he was named Jesus, the name the angel had given him before he was conceived. (Muslims are all circumcised but apparently most Christians aren’t.)

Paul did not reject circumcision, but he refused that salvation is by circumcision only
 


But we find that Paul circumcised Timothy for the sake of the Jews in Acts 16: 3 and he took and circumcised him for the sake of the Jews in those places, because everyone knew his father that he was Greek.

So circumcision must be done because you follow the Prophet Isa, peace be upon him, and all other prophets were circumcised

You follow Paul or the prophet Jesus!
Christians are following the teachings of Paul, not the teachings of Jesus.

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