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Why satellites don't crash on earth
« on: December 17, 2019, 05:01:40 AM »
Hello,
I have been reading about the fact that what we think is gravity is actually the earth constantly accelerating upwards, making us unable to leave its surface. I was therefore wondering how satellites don't crash on the surface on the earth? Do they endlessly accelerate as well?
Side question: do the sun and the other planets accelerate with us?
Thank you
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Re: Why satellites don't crash on earth
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2019, 05:55:52 AM »
There aren't satellites but submarine cable system. I'm not in the side of people who think earth's moving upward, but it would so, satellites would not crashed anything.
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Re: Why satellites don't crash on earth
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2019, 11:09:58 AM »
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There aren't satellites but submarine cable system. I'm not in the side of people who think earth's moving upward, but it would so, satellites would not crashed anything.

Well another nice and coherent reply there from our resident 'professor'.  Or is it just me who hasn't got a clue about what that actually means?
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Re: Why satellites don't crash on earth
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2019, 12:47:38 PM »
It's not just you. Nothing he says makes sense.
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Re: Why satellites don't crash on earth
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2019, 12:53:37 PM »
Quote from: wise on December 17, 2019, 05:55:52 AM
There aren't satellites but submarine cable system. I'm not in the side of people who think earth's moving upward, but it would so, satellites would not crashed anything.
Does this look like a submarine cable?
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Re: Why satellites don't crash on earth
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2019, 01:56:50 PM »
Do submarines even need cables?  That would seriously limit how far they could go wouldn't it?  Or does he just mean cables that go under the sea?   More explanation needed I think...

Nice photo of the ISS by the way!
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Re: Why satellites don't crash on earth
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2019, 02:12:08 PM »
Quote from: Solarwind on December 17, 2019, 01:56:50 PM
Do submarines even need cables?  That would seriously limit how far they could go wouldn't it?  Or does he just mean cables that go under the sea?   More explanation needed I think...
The vast majority of the internet links between continents use under sea fibre optic cables, often called submarine cables.
These are the links which allow high speed communication almost all over the globe.
For some areas however cables can't be used (or are too impractical to use) so satellites are used instead.

However plenty of other things rely upon satellites.
Just because internet doesn't come via satellite to everyone doesn't mean nothing does.

The fact that we have a functional GPS system that relies upon satellites and a RE, as well as satellite TV and radio shows quite conclusively that satellites are real.
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Re: Why satellites don't crash on earth
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2019, 03:54:11 PM »
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Re: Why satellites don't crash on earth
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2019, 04:24:24 PM »
Quote from: wise on December 17, 2019, 05:55:52 AM
There aren't satellites but submarine cable system. I'm not in the side of people who think earth's moving upward, but it would so, satellites would not crashed anything.

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Re: Why satellites don't crash on earth
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2019, 05:37:54 PM »
Quote from: Macarios on December 17, 2019, 04:24:24 PM
Quote from: wise on December 17, 2019, 05:55:52 AM
There aren't satellites but submarine cable system. I'm not in the side of people who think earth's moving upward, but it would so, satellites would not crashed anything.

That shows only one "airplane in the ocean ;D" and presents no evidence that there are not more submarines in the sky ::).
And “absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.”

You could be guilty ;D of
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Description: The assumption of a conclusion or fact based primarily on lack of evidence to the contrary. 
Usually best described by, “absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.”
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Re: Why satellites don't crash on earth
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2019, 10:17:55 PM »
Quote from: Solarwind on December 17, 2019, 01:56:50 PM
Do submarines even need cables?  That would seriously limit how far they could go wouldn't it?  Or does he just mean cables that go under the sea?   More explanation needed I think...

Nice photo of the ISS by the way!

What a photo? All about ISS are CGI. I can do it better. I can montage Hillary Clinton's face even to a monkey and can be convincing for it. Do not trust any of photographs. Technology has developed so much.
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Re: Why satellites don't crash on earth
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2019, 10:30:08 PM »
Quote from: rabinoz on December 17, 2019, 12:53:37 PM
Quote from: wise on December 17, 2019, 05:55:52 AM
There aren't satellites but submarine cable system. I'm not in the side of people who think earth's moving upward, but it would so, satellites would not crashed anything.
Does this look like a submarine cable?

No, it looks like a model.
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Re: Why satellites don't crash on earth
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2019, 10:31:41 PM »
Quote from: JMoriarty on December 17, 2019, 05:01:40 AM
Hello,
I have been reading about the fact that what we think is gravity is actually the earth constantly accelerating upwards, making us unable to leave its surface. I was therefore wondering how satellites don't crash on the surface on the earth? Do they endlessly accelerate as well?
Side question: do the sun and the other planets accelerate with us?
Thank you

In answer to your question, yes, according to Flat Earth Universal Acceleration Theory (UAT) all celestial objects are:

A) Above the flat earth plane
B) Accelerated upwards with the earth plane.

Side note, if satellites happened to exist, they too would be accelerated along with the earth plane.

Hope this finds you well.
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Re: Why satellites don't crash on earth
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2019, 11:49:27 PM »
Quote from: Stash on December 17, 2019, 10:31:41 PM
Quote from: JMoriarty on December 17, 2019, 05:01:40 AM
Hello,
I have been reading about the fact that what we think is gravity is actually the earth constantly accelerating upwards, making us unable to leave its surface. I was therefore wondering how satellites don't crash on the surface on the earth? Do they endlessly accelerate as well?
Side question: do the sun and the other planets accelerate with us?
Thank you

In answer to your question, yes, according to Flat Earth Universal Acceleration Theory (UAT) all celestial objects are:

A) Above the flat earth plane
B) Accelerated upwards with the earth plane.

Side note, if satellites happened to exist, they too would be accelerated along with the earth plane.

Hope this finds you well.
But why wouldn't they simply travel in straight lines and all end up flying into the dome around the rim.
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Re: Why satellites don't crash on earth
« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2019, 12:12:10 AM »
Hi,
But according to that theory, are all the other planets flat due to the speed at which they travel? If not, how are they in their spherical shape?
Also, what "force" drives all of these objects upwards?


Quote from: Stash on December 17, 2019, 10:31:41 PM
Quote from: JMoriarty on December 17, 2019, 05:01:40 AM
Hello,
I have been reading about the fact that what we think is gravity is actually the earth constantly accelerating upwards, making us unable to leave its surface. I was therefore wondering how satellites don't crash on the surface on the earth? Do they endlessly accelerate as well?
Side question: do the sun and the other planets accelerate with us?
Thank you

In answer to your question, yes, according to Flat Earth Universal Acceleration Theory (UAT) all celestial objects are:

A) Above the flat earth plane
B) Accelerated upwards with the earth plane.

Side note, if satellites happened to exist, they too would be accelerated along with the earth plane.

Hope this finds you well.
« Last Edit: December 18, 2019, 12:14:34 AM by JMoriarty »
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Re: Why satellites don't crash on earth
« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2019, 12:26:40 AM »
Because they are traveling a straight line dummy.

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Re: Why satellites don't crash on earth
« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2019, 01:14:19 AM »
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What a photo? All about ISS are CGI. I can do it better. I can montage Hillary Clinton's face even to a monkey and can be convincing for it. Do not trust any of photographs. Technology has developed so much.

Have you ever seen a photo, not a drawing or a CGI image of a flat Earth that you trust to be authentic?  I haven't so far.  If one exists please link me to it and you will convert me.

I don't mean just an aerial photo taken from a few thousand feet up.  I mean a proper, space based image of the whole Earth.
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Re: Why satellites don't crash on earth
« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2019, 03:05:03 AM »
Quote from: John Davis on December 18, 2019, 12:26:40 AM
Because they are traveling a straight line dummy.
Are you sure you don't mean that they are travelling along a geodesic in curved spacetime which some people do call a "straight line?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1lX-TP7Vow
<< I took the liberty of replacing uour joke video :D by something useful. Hope you don't mind ;). >>

Can a Circle Be a Straight Line?
But this video might be a good of fro novices to start with:

Is Gravity An Illusion?
And the following series might be useful for those who might want to learn more but I doubt you will because you know everything already ::).
Curved Spacetime in General Relativity


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Re: Why satellites don't crash on earth
« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2019, 04:16:42 AM »
Quote from: rabinoz on December 18, 2019, 03:05:03 AM
Quote from: John Davis on December 18, 2019, 12:26:40 AM
Because they are traveling a straight line dummy.
Are you sure you don't mean that they are travelling along a geodesic in curved spacetime which some people do call a "straight line?
Quote from: John Davis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1lX-TP7Vow
<< I took the liberty of replacing uour joke video :D by something useful. Hope you don't mind ;). >>

Can a Circle Be a Straight Line?
But this video might be a good of fro novices to start with:

Is Gravity An Illusion?
And the following series might be useful for those who might want to learn more but I doubt you will because you know everything already ::).
Curved Spacetime in General Relativity

Love PBS Spacetime
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Re: Why satellites don't crash on earth
« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2019, 04:31:47 AM »
Quote from: mak3m on December 18, 2019, 04:16:42 AM
Love PBS Spacetime
Is there a chance that it might "straighten out" John Davis and bend his straight line into a geodesic that is circular in space but more like a spiral (if you can imagine a 4D spiral ::)) in spacetime?
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Re: Why satellites don't crash on earth
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2019, 06:22:37 AM »
Quote from: John Davis on December 18, 2019, 12:26:40 AM
Because they are traveling a straight line dummy.



I am aware where most posters will gain information relating to accepted knowledge of a cosmological nature there being so many astronomical research facilities in the world each producing a huge amount of scientific data, a quick search on any cosmological subject will confirm this.
What intrigues me and possibly others is the source of the information you use? I have tried looking for information on the flat earth astronomers you mentioned in a recent post but have been unable to find any information on such individuals along with any published data they may have produced.
Having read how you yourself and other FEers offer constant critique on accepted scientific principles, my question to you is what is the source of the data you are using to form your alternate views? You also describe yourself as the most prolific scientist of 2019, what is your basis of this self description.
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Re: Why satellites don't crash on earth
« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2019, 04:55:42 AM »
Quote from: wise on December 17, 2019, 10:17:55 PM
What a photo? All about ISS are CGI. I can do it better. I can montage Hillary Clinton's face even to a monkey and can be convincing for it. Do not trust any of photographs. Technology has developed so much.
But why do you show us photos with no visible curvature then?
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Re: Why satellites don't crash on earth
« Reply #22 on: December 24, 2019, 12:43:56 PM »
Quote from: wise on December 17, 2019, 10:17:55 PM
What a photo? All about ISS are CGI.
You can take your own photos of the ISS and disprove your own claim. Like this video that you have already seen:
Quote from: rabinoz on December 23, 2019, 02:12:46 PM

Nikon P1000 ISS solar transit, 673,451 views, Apr 26, 2019 by Movie Vertigo.

So, Mr Wise, I'm afraid it's you who "are a slave of your prejudices" and who refuse to accept real evidence!
Here's a screenshot and the sort of photo you could take yourself and prove that your claim, "All about ISS are CGI", is quite wrong.


Here's another photo but through a telescope this time:

See the International Space Station from the UK – Astronomy Now

Why deny this that are so easily proven?
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Re: Why satellites don't crash on earth
« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2019, 01:58:24 PM »
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Why deny this that are so easily proven?

Because some peoples denial is based on what they belief and not reality.  If they see something that goes against their belief their brain says... hey that can't be real cos it is showing me something that I don't believe is true!
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Re: Why satellites don't crash on earth
« Reply #24 on: December 25, 2019, 02:03:22 AM »
Quote from: rabinoz on December 24, 2019, 12:43:56 PM
Here's another photo but through a telescope this time:

See the International Space Station from the UK – Astronomy Now

Why deny this that are so easily proven?

claiming that an astronomer saw it in the sky doesn't magically make it right. It can also be a stadium light.
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Re: Why satellites don't crash on earth
« Reply #25 on: December 25, 2019, 03:13:29 AM »
Quote from: wise on December 25, 2019, 02:03:22 AM
Quote from: rabinoz on December 24, 2019, 12:43:56 PM
Here's another photo but through a telescope this time:

See the International Space Station from the UK – Astronomy Now

Why deny this that are so easily proven?

claiming that an astronomer saw it in the sky doesn't magically make it right. It can also be a stadium light.
Stop guessing and post some evidence for your claim!
How could it be "a stadium light" 400 km above the Earth?

The ISS - Finding the altitude! (Part 1) by Reds Rhetoric


Using Cameras To Measure The Real Altitude Of The Space Station by Scott Manley
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Re: Why satellites don't crash on earth
« Reply #26 on: December 25, 2019, 04:26:20 AM »
Quote from: rabinoz on December 25, 2019, 03:13:29 AM
Stop guessing and post some evidence for your claim!
How could it be "a stadium light" 400 km above the Earth?
Stop constantly post same BS. Nowadays technologies are so developed that you can even show ISS in your bedroom. These things have no value. Stop using this type of BS as an argument.
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Re: Why satellites don't crash on earth
« Reply #27 on: December 25, 2019, 04:38:35 AM »
Quote from: wise on December 25, 2019, 04:26:20 AM
Quote from: rabinoz on December 25, 2019, 03:13:29 AM
Stop guessing and post some evidence for your claim!
How could it be "a stadium light" 400 km above the Earth?
Stop constantly post same BS. Nowadays technologies are so developed that you can even show ISS in your bedroom. These things have no value. Stop using this type of BS as an argument.

Amateur telescope is simple device with only lenses and maybe mirrors.
How the "nowadays technology" can be applied to so many of them to see ISS in orbit?
Wouldn't such piece of "deceiving equipment" look strange in all those telescopes around the world?
How would you hide it?
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Re: Why satellites don't crash on earth
« Reply #28 on: December 25, 2019, 12:21:18 PM »
Quote from: wise on December 25, 2019, 02:03:22 AM
claiming that an astronomer saw it in the sky doesn't magically make it right. It can also be a stadium light.
Which is why you have been told to take the photo yourself.
People like you will happily reject any evidence provided. The only evidence you will ever accept is that obtained by yourself.
What you are doing is no better than claiming grass isn't typically green, even though there are mountains of evidence to support it.
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Re: Why satellites don't crash on earth
« Reply #29 on: December 25, 2019, 04:41:11 PM »
Quote from: wise on December 25, 2019, 04:26:20 AM
Quote from: rabinoz on December 25, 2019, 03:13:29 AM
Stop guessing and post some evidence for your claim!
How could it be "a stadium light" 400 km above the Earth?
Stop constantly post same BS. Nowadays technologies are so developed that you can even show ISS in your bedroom. These things have no value. Stop using this type of BS as an argument.
How could a camera or telescope, out in a parking lot or a park, looking up towards the sky see an "ISS in your bedroom"? Answer that one!
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