A question about stars

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Wilohm

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A question about stars
« on: January 26, 2007, 12:49:22 AM »
If the earth was flat, then why is it that when you travel long enough in one direction you see different stars?

I would think that on a flat earth the same stars would be visible the world over.
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BOGWarrior89

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Re: A question about stars
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2007, 01:07:17 AM »
Quote from: "Wilohm"
If the earth was flat, then why is it that when you travel long enough in one direction you see different stars?

I would think that on a flat earth the same stars would be visible the world over.


Just like how I can see the ice wall from the US?

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Wilohm

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Re: A question about stars
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2007, 01:11:40 AM »
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Quote from: "Wilohm"
If the earth was flat, then why is it that when you travel long enough in one direction you see different stars?

I would think that on a flat earth the same stars would be visible the world over.


Just like how I can see the ice wall from the US?


Well, if not for the haze.
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darkstorm

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A question about stars
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2007, 04:35:24 AM »
they are fire flys that got stuck up there on that blueish black thing.
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Re: A question about stars
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2007, 10:10:17 AM »
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Quote from: "Wilohm"
If the earth was flat, then why is it that when you travel long enough in one direction you see different stars?

I would think that on a flat earth the same stars would be visible the world over.


Just like how I can see the ice wall from the US?


Well, if not for the haze.


Exactly. Light from the wall can't penetrate through that much atmosphere; more distant stars not only are farther away, but hit the atmosphere with a higher deviation from the normal, and thus have to travel through much more atmosphere.
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Re: A question about stars
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2007, 10:48:36 AM »
Quote from: "Wilohm"
If the earth was flat, then why is it that when you travel long enough in one direction you see different stars?

I would think that on a flat earth the same stars would be visible the world over.


Rowbothman's book Earth: Not a Globe explains this as a result of perspective.  Though I do not think that adequately explains what we observe.  For example:

Let's assume we are standing on a flat Earth.  Three people stand at the same North latitude equidistant from each other (say one person in the US, on in Europe, and one in Asia, for example).  Each person sees the celestial north pole (the point in the sky about which the stars rotate) at equal degrees of inclination.  Now, because the Earth is flat, the lines of sight from each observer intersects at a point some distance above the North Pole of the Earth.  

In the South, stars rotate about a celestial point commonly called "the south celestial pole."  Three people stand equidistant from each other at the same South latitude and notice a specific inclination of the south celestial pole.  On the Flat Earth these lines point away from each other above the surface of the Earth, but they intersect at a point some distance below the surface.  This point of intersection is exactly below the geographical north pole, and is co-linear with the north pole and the "northern" point of intersection (examined above).  

This means that in the FE model, using empirically observable evidence, the axis around which the celestial south pole rotates is the same as the axis around which the celestial north pole rotates.  That's funny, isn't it?

Now to make the evidence sufficiently redundant:  

Anyone that has experience as an amateur astronomer is familiar with equatorial mount telescopes (this author being one).  They are set up to track the motion of the stars through the night sky by tilting the telescopes' azimuthal axis in line with a celestial pole.  That is a very empirical and mechanical process; there is no reliance on any established theories or facts.  

Now it just so happens that the angle at which ones telescope is tilted is equal to ones current latitude.  As an example, when I use my telescope I incline the azimuth 39 degrees from the horizontal, and I live in Denver, CO.  Thus, from each latitude -- North or South -- there is an angle equal to each latitude pointing to its respective celestial pole.  

While perspective can account for some change in inclination angle based on latitude, it cannot account for the equality of latitude with said angle.

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Im_So_Gay

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A question about stars
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2007, 12:42:48 PM »
I think it's a shame the way Brad treated Jennifer. She deserved better. Stars can be jerks sometimes.

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Me_So_EarthFlatty2

A question about stars
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2007, 12:48:12 PM »
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I think it's a shame the way Brad treated Jennifer. She deserved better. Stars can be jerks sometimes.


True....Looks like Brad likes things that are not flat...like boobs and Jolies lips.  HE DOESN'T BELONG ON OUR FLAT EARTH!!!

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BOGWarrior89

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A question about stars
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2007, 02:06:26 PM »
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I think it's a shame the way Brad treated Jennifer. She deserved better. Stars can be jerks sometimes.

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Quote from: "Im_So_Gay"
I think it's a shame the way Brad treated Jennifer. She deserved better. Stars can be jerks sometimes.


True....Looks like Brad likes things that are not flat...like boobs and Jolies lips.  HE DOESN'T BELONG ON OUR FLAT EARTH!!!

Somebody wanna call the n00bbusters?  It looks like we've got an infestation on our hands.

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Re: A question about stars
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2007, 02:59:23 PM »
Quote from: "Wilohm"
If the earth was flat, then why is it that when you travel long enough in one direction you see different stars?

I would think that on a flat earth the same stars would be visible the world over.


Nope.

How boring would that be?

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Wilohm

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Re: A question about stars
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2007, 03:08:51 PM »
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Quote from: "Wilohm"
If the earth was flat, then why is it that when you travel long enough in one direction you see different stars?

I would think that on a flat earth the same stars would be visible the world over.


Nope.

How boring would that be?


but...how does that....?*long sigh*
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A question about stars
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2007, 03:50:20 PM »
The explanation of haze would make it impossible to see stars just above the horizon, because that would be where the stars from perspective would lie.

well, that and certain constellations are always visible in the southern night sky year around I mean.
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