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Re: Dem Watch 2020
« Reply #420 on: February 24, 2020, 10:24:40 AM »
M4A can be paid for by replacing current spending on insurance with an equal value tax, plus placing a small tax increase on each bracket if needed. The biggest problem M4A will create is a huge displacement in the labor pool as insurance providers go out of business.
That's not a problem. New job positions can easily be created after a very short period, it's not like there's specialized health insurance workers who can't work anywhere else or something. There is no need to keep a cancerous industry around if it can be easily replaced. The insurance company employees will get medicare too.
You can claim it's not a major problem, but to say it's not a problem at all is flat out wrong. Anytime you displace millions of employees rather quickly it will be a problem. That aspect will need to be addressed in the implementation of M4A.
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Re: Dem Watch 2020
« Reply #421 on: February 24, 2020, 10:29:29 AM »
It was "simple" both times, but I find it kinda confusing tbh. Is Putin setting him up by pretending to support him or is he actually supporting him? Is he doing both? Putin is a master multitasker.
If the goal is to destabilize the USA, Putin is absolutely "supporting" both sides. If the Goal is to divide, then Sanders vs Trump or Libral vs Conservitive or X vs Y is the way to go, and it seems to be doing real well.
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Re: Dem Watch 2020
« Reply #422 on: February 24, 2020, 10:31:48 AM »
M4A can be paid for by replacing current spending on insurance with an equal value tax, plus placing a small tax increase on each bracket if needed. The biggest problem M4A will create is a huge displacement in the labor pool as insurance providers go out of business.
That's not a problem. New job positions can easily be created after a very short period, it's not like there's specialized health insurance workers who can't work anywhere else or something. There is no need to keep a cancerous industry around if it can be easily replaced. The insurance company employees will get medicare too.
You can claim it's not a major problem, but to say it's not a problem at all is flat out wrong. Anytime you displace millions of employees rather quickly it will be a problem. That aspect will need to be addressed in the implementation of M4A.

I agree.  Realistically a transition to universal health care will have to span more than a single administration.
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Re: Dem Watch 2020
« Reply #423 on: February 24, 2020, 10:53:34 AM »
M4A can be paid for by replacing current spending on insurance with an equal value tax, plus placing a small tax increase on each bracket if needed. The biggest problem M4A will create is a huge displacement in the labor pool as insurance providers go out of business.
That's not a problem. New job positions can easily be created after a very short period, it's not like there's specialized health insurance workers who can't work anywhere else or something. There is no need to keep a cancerous industry around if it can be easily replaced. The insurance company employees will get medicare too.
You can claim it's not a major problem, but to say it's not a problem at all is flat out wrong. Anytime you displace millions of employees rather quickly it will be a problem. That aspect will need to be addressed in the implementation of M4A.
It's not even millions, apparently about 830,000 people work for health and life insurance. Idk how many of them work in health insurance in particular. It won't be done immediately so there will be plenty of time to address that.
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Re: Dem Watch 2020
« Reply #424 on: February 24, 2020, 11:08:29 AM »
M4A can be paid for by replacing current spending on insurance with an equal value tax, plus placing a small tax increase on each bracket if needed. The biggest problem M4A will create is a huge displacement in the labor pool as insurance providers go out of business.
That's not a problem. New job positions can easily be created after a very short period, it's not like there's specialized health insurance workers who can't work anywhere else or something. There is no need to keep a cancerous industry around if it can be easily replaced. The insurance company employees will get medicare too.
You can claim it's not a major problem, but to say it's not a problem at all is flat out wrong. Anytime you displace millions of employees rather quickly it will be a problem. That aspect will need to be addressed in the implementation of M4A.
It's not even millions, apparently about 830,000 people work for health and life insurance. Idk how many of them work in health insurance in particular. It won't be done immediately so there will be plenty of time to address that.

Why would they all lose their jobs though?

Australia has 'medicare for all' and a private health insurance sector

Medicare here doesn't cover immediate dental or elective surgeries. (you can get elective surgeries but will be put on a waiting list). You also dont get much of a choice about which doctor treats you and you may not get a private room to recover in

Medicare does mean that you are guaranteed emergency care when you need it for free. Also means if you walk into a hospital emergency room with a headache, you dont walk out with a $20K bill for the myriad of tests they decide you should have.

Both private and public systems have their place


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Re: Dem Watch 2020
« Reply #425 on: February 24, 2020, 11:11:25 AM »
M4A can be paid for by replacing current spending on insurance with an equal value tax, plus placing a small tax increase on each bracket if needed. The biggest problem M4A will create is a huge displacement in the labor pool as insurance providers go out of business.
That's not a problem. New job positions can easily be created after a very short period, it's not like there's specialized health insurance workers who can't work anywhere else or something. There is no need to keep a cancerous industry around if it can be easily replaced. The insurance company employees will get medicare too.
You can claim it's not a major problem, but to say it's not a problem at all is flat out wrong. Anytime you displace millions of employees rather quickly it will be a problem. That aspect will need to be addressed in the implementation of M4A.
It's not even millions, apparently about 830,000 people work for health and life insurance. Idk how many of them work in health insurance in particular. It won't be done immediately so there will be plenty of time to address that.

Why would they all lose their jobs though?

Australia has 'medicare for all' and a private health insurance sector

Medicare here doesn't cover immediate dental or elective surgeries. (you can get elective surgeries but will be put on a waiting list). You also dont get much of a choice about which doctor treats you and you may not get a private room to recover in

Medicare does mean that you are guaranteed emergency care when you need it for free. Also means if you walk into a hospital emergency room with a headache, you dont walk out with a $20K bill for the myriad of tests they decide you should have.

Both private and public systems have their place

There would be a displacement.  Also we have a lot of people employed doing paperwork for the insurance companies.  They would likely have to find new jobs.
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Re: Dem Watch 2020
« Reply #426 on: February 24, 2020, 01:46:35 PM »
I'll make a prediction.  If Bernie wins the nomination,  Trump will win.

Why?

Simple,  Bernie won't get the support from either the moderate Democrats or the republican defectors. 

That's why Putin is supporting Bernie.   It's not rocket science, it's politics.

Ok but last time you said this:

Not sure how that makes him an easy target.

Simple the Russians are setting him up.   For example, Russian trolls pretending to be "Bernie Bros"  generating outrage.

It was "simple" both times, but I find it kinda confusing tbh. Is Putin setting him up by pretending to support him or is he actually supporting him? Is he doing both? Putin is a master multitasker.

So says the guy who claims Russia wasn't involved in the cold war. 

Russian groups play all sides at the same time.   That's how it works.  Didn't you follow the Cambridge Analytica / Facebook scandal that led to Trump and Brexit in the first place.

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Re: Dem Watch 2020
« Reply #427 on: February 24, 2020, 09:40:52 PM »
M4A can be paid for by replacing current spending on insurance with an equal value tax, plus placing a small tax increase on each bracket if needed. The biggest problem M4A will create is a huge displacement in the labor pool as insurance providers go out of business.
That's not a problem. New job positions can easily be created after a very short period, it's not like there's specialized health insurance workers who can't work anywhere else or something. There is no need to keep a cancerous industry around if it can be easily replaced. The insurance company employees will get medicare too.
You can claim it's not a major problem, but to say it's not a problem at all is flat out wrong. Anytime you displace millions of employees rather quickly it will be a problem. That aspect will need to be addressed in the implementation of M4A.
It's not even millions, apparently about 830,000 people work for health and life insurance. Idk how many of them work in health insurance in particular. It won't be done immediately so there will be plenty of time to address that.

Why would they all lose their jobs though?

Australia has 'medicare for all' and a private health insurance sector

Medicare here doesn't cover immediate dental or elective surgeries. (you can get elective surgeries but will be put on a waiting list). You also dont get much of a choice about which doctor treats you and you may not get a private room to recover in

Medicare does mean that you are guaranteed emergency care when you need it for free. Also means if you walk into a hospital emergency room with a headache, you dont walk out with a $20K bill for the myriad of tests they decide you should have.

Both private and public systems have their place

There would be a displacement.  Also we have a lot of people employed doing paperwork for the insurance companies.  They would likely have to find new jobs.

Well, someome's gotta process the paperwork for the government health programs.
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Re: Dem Watch 2020
« Reply #428 on: February 24, 2020, 09:48:01 PM »
I'll make a prediction.  If Bernie wins the nomination,  Trump will win.

Why?

Simple,  Bernie won't get the support from either the moderate Democrats or the republican defectors. 

That's why Putin is supporting Bernie.   It's not rocket science, it's politics.

Ok but last time you said this:

Not sure how that makes him an easy target.

Simple the Russians are setting him up.   For example, Russian trolls pretending to be "Bernie Bros"  generating outrage.

It was "simple" both times, but I find it kinda confusing tbh. Is Putin setting him up by pretending to support him or is he actually supporting him? Is he doing both? Putin is a master multitasker.

So says the guy who claims Russia wasn't involved in the cold war. 

Russian groups play all sides at the same time.   That's how it works.  Didn't you follow the Cambridge Analytica / Facebook scandal that led to Trump and Brexit in the first place.

I never said Russia wasn't involved in the Cold War you genius, it was the opposite, you simply missed the point spectacularly.

It's hilarious how you pretend you can't see the massive contradiction between the two posts. According to you they're both setting him up (so their support hurts him), but also they are actually supporting him because they want him to win the nomination (so their support helps him). It doesn't make any sense, you're just looking for a way to make him look bad and shoehorn the whole thing into your narrative of Putin being responsible for literally everything that happens in the world.
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Re: Dem Watch 2020
« Reply #429 on: February 24, 2020, 09:54:06 PM »

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Re: Dem Watch 2020
« Reply #430 on: February 24, 2020, 09:58:00 PM »
I'll make a prediction.  If Bernie wins the nomination,  Trump will win.

Why?

Simple,  Bernie won't get the support from either the moderate Democrats or the republican defectors. 

That's why Putin is supporting Bernie.   It's not rocket science, it's politics.

Ok but last time you said this:

Not sure how that makes him an easy target.

Simple the Russians are setting him up.   For example, Russian trolls pretending to be "Bernie Bros"  generating outrage.

It was "simple" both times, but I find it kinda confusing tbh. Is Putin setting him up by pretending to support him or is he actually supporting him? Is he doing both? Putin is a master multitasker.

So says the guy who claims Russia wasn't involved in the cold war. 

Russian groups play all sides at the same time.   That's how it works.  Didn't you follow the Cambridge Analytica / Facebook scandal that led to Trump and Brexit in the first place.

I never said Russia wasn't involved in the Cold War you genius, it was the opposite, you simply missed the point spectacularly.

It's hilarious how you pretend you can't see the massive contradiction between the two posts. According to you they're both setting him up (so their support hurts him), but also they are actually supporting him because they want him to win the nomination (so their support helps him). It doesn't make any sense, you're just looking for a way to make him look bad and shoehorn the whole thing into your narrative of Putin being responsible for literally everything that happens in the world.

Here you go...

Americans are indeed gullible. They believed Russia was pulling the strings behind everything during the Cold War. They were wrong. And now they believe it again.


If you still don't understand how the Russians are operating, I'd suggest you go and read the Mueller Report,  and the Court filings for chapter and verse.

There are numerous examples of Russian run groups supporting BLM, and white power groups, as well as pretending to be islamic or pro-immigrant, at the same time anti-immigrant and anti-islamic.

Sorry if you are still too stupid to understand, even after I've explained it multiple times.

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Re: Dem Watch 2020
« Reply #431 on: February 24, 2020, 10:37:16 PM »
I think Pez was saying that the russians did stuff, but not everything they are accused of duing during the cold war.

Ie. "Russians made my movie fail!"

However, Russians are both supporting and hurting Sanders.  The goal js chaos and a divided nation.  Something Trump does well.  By supporting two sides, you can keep the fighting going.

Its like if Pez and Jerkface was the same person.
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Re: Dem Watch 2020
« Reply #432 on: February 24, 2020, 10:47:23 PM »
I think Pez was saying that the russians did stuff, but not everything they are accused of duing during the cold war.

And, ergo, he is wrong. 
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Re: Dem Watch 2020
« Reply #433 on: February 24, 2020, 10:57:55 PM »
I think Pez was saying that the russians did stuff, but not everything they are accused of duing during the cold war.

And, ergo, he is wrong.

So the Russians did everything they were accused of in the cold war?
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Re: Dem Watch 2020
« Reply #434 on: February 24, 2020, 11:08:15 PM »
I think Pez was saying that the russians did stuff, but not everything they are accused of duing during the cold war.

Ie. "Russians made my movie fail!"

However, Russians are both supporting and hurting Sanders.  The goal js chaos and a divided nation.  Something Trump does well.  By supporting two sides, you can keep the fighting going.

Its like if Pez and Jerkface was the same person.
Or me and Lackey.

Keep the fires of hatred hot by burning both sides.

Red Heat sucked, not because of the Russians but because Arnold Schwarzenegger looks stupid playing a deadpan Russian.

I don't understand how Pez can't see the logic of division in Russians making groups supporting opposing sides. Trump and Hillary, white power and BLM, Trump and Sanders

Partisanship has become increasingly toxic. More and more Americans hate each other. The fight has the fans constantly flamed. It's less about propping up a candidate to win an election and more about weakening America through bitter division.

Look at the state of politics.... Everyone has a side and will play obstructionist. They will shut down the government to get their way. They will even endorse corruption at the highest levels blatently to avoid giving the 'other side' political 'points'.

It seems the Russians are not only playing Americans but they got to Pez too lol

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Re: Dem Watch 2020
« Reply #435 on: February 24, 2020, 11:31:57 PM »
I think Pez was saying that the russians did stuff, but not everything they are accused of duing during the cold war.

And, ergo, he is wrong.

So the Russians did everything they were accused of in the cold war?

That's pretty much the reality,  there are also a lot of things they did, that went under the radar.

If you've got an example to the contrary, then I'd be interested to hear it.
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Re: Dem Watch 2020
« Reply #436 on: February 25, 2020, 12:00:44 AM »
I think Pez was saying that the russians did stuff, but not everything they are accused of duing during the cold war.

And, ergo, he is wrong.

????

Ummm...pretty sure he's not.  How many people got called Communists and Russian agents by McCarthy?  Were they all secret infultrators?
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Re: Dem Watch 2020
« Reply #437 on: February 25, 2020, 02:47:33 AM »
I'll make a prediction.  If Bernie wins the nomination,  Trump will win.

Why?

Simple,  Bernie won't get the support from either the moderate Democrats or the republican defectors. 

That's why Putin is supporting Bernie.   It's not rocket science, it's politics.

Ok but last time you said this:

Not sure how that makes him an easy target.

Simple the Russians are setting him up.   For example, Russian trolls pretending to be "Bernie Bros"  generating outrage.

It was "simple" both times, but I find it kinda confusing tbh. Is Putin setting him up by pretending to support him or is he actually supporting him? Is he doing both? Putin is a master multitasker.

So says the guy who claims Russia wasn't involved in the cold war. 

Russian groups play all sides at the same time.   That's how it works.  Didn't you follow the Cambridge Analytica / Facebook scandal that led to Trump and Brexit in the first place.

I never said Russia wasn't involved in the Cold War you genius, it was the opposite, you simply missed the point spectacularly.

It's hilarious how you pretend you can't see the massive contradiction between the two posts. According to you they're both setting him up (so their support hurts him), but also they are actually supporting him because they want him to win the nomination (so their support helps him). It doesn't make any sense, you're just looking for a way to make him look bad and shoehorn the whole thing into your narrative of Putin being responsible for literally everything that happens in the world.

Here you go...

Americans are indeed gullible. They believed Russia was pulling the strings behind everything during the Cold War. They were wrong. And now they believe it again.


If you still don't understand how the Russians are operating, I'd suggest you go and read the Mueller Report,  and the Court filings for chapter and verse.

There are numerous examples of Russian run groups supporting BLM, and white power groups, as well as pretending to be islamic or pro-immigrant, at the same time anti-immigrant and anti-islamic.

Sorry if you are still too stupid to understand, even after I've explained it multiple times.

Because the Cold War was going on with Russia, the US government was trying to deflect everything to Russian interference. It's pretty much universally accepted that this happened and that it was wrong. It's that simple, I wasn't saying the Cold War wasn't happening you brain genius.

The Mueller report? The report that you anticipated for so long, and was definitely gonna bring Trump down but ended up just being the greatest blue balling in recent history? Very little that was new came out of that thing, it doesn't really say anything about your argument here. But

You really should calm down because you sound like a QAnon person. The confirmation bias is insane, you're contradicting yourself with every second post. Start by engaging with actual material politics instead of making up weird Putin fanfic.

There is a much simpler explanation for all that which is coherent and doesn't rely on russophobia and insane conspiracy theories. Russia had some interference in the 2016 US elections, which is to be expected and not a new thing at all between superpowers. The US itself has influence over elections in many countries, and up to a couple decades ago it was practically installing puppet governments in Russia (not a secret, there is literally front pages in US media bragging about it, but people forgot I guess, it actually partly led to Putin because Putin promised to quit the experiments of the puppet governments and bring stability). That interference has been blown way out of proportion by the media. Why? Well, partly because the Democrats used it to explain away their defeat. But also because it's a useful scapegoat.

It's something that happens in literally every society in history. In every society there are internal divisions and opposing interests. The master and the slave don't share the same interests. Neither do the boss and the employee, the banker and the loan borrower, the immigrant and the nationalist, the homeless and the landlord. At every society one of the poles is powerful and the other isn't. The powerful pole of the contradiction will almost always attempt to keep things stable and not push things further to the side of the less powerful pole. Stability is good for the powerful pole. That's the whole point of conservatism. The best way to preserve things as they are is if you reduce the intensity of the conflict of interests that is going on, because conflict brings instability. The contradictions in the US (and not just the US but globally) were becoming more and more intense, particularly after the Great Recession shook things up. What better way to reduce conflict than to pretend like the division doesn't even exist? That's the function of Russia, it's an evil external agent that threatens "unity". All those divisions? They're fake. Everyone has the same interests. Russia is responsible for convincing you the division is there in the first place. It's not remotely new, during the Cold War pretty much every even slightly subversive movement in the US was accused to be the fault of the USSR. The civil rights movement? Russians are behind it. Hippies? Yep, it's the Russians again. Feminism? You guessed it. Socialist politicians? Definitely the Russians. Movies challenging the status quo? Of course it's the Russians, we gotta purge Hollywood! It's always the Russians. There are even headlines accusing JFK or LBJ or whatever of being Russian plants.

The media is always ready to prop these accusations up. Why? Because the owners of the media belong to the powerful pole, so it's in their interests to try to influence people to believe some evil external entity is interfering with unity (unity essentially meaning not antagonising the currently powerful pole), and that all the conflicts are the result of shady foreign puppeteering instead of inherent contradictions and divisions in society. That's why the Russia narrative is blown out of proportion so much and that's what induced all the weird and contradictory allegations against Sanders. It's not unique to the US, it happens literally everywhere all the time. No baseless conspiracy theories and incoherent plots required.
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Re: Dem Watch 2020
« Reply #438 on: February 25, 2020, 03:03:57 AM »
The Mueller report? The report that you anticipated for so long, and was definitely gonna bring Trump down but ended up just being the greatest blue balling in recent history? Very little that was new came out of that thing, it doesn't really say anything about your argument here. But

Lets's stop there, and revisit ONE of the Mueller Report court filings.

https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download

Read and digest before we continue.
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Re: Dem Watch 2020
« Reply #439 on: February 25, 2020, 03:04:23 AM »
Pathetic.
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Re: Dem Watch 2020
« Reply #440 on: February 25, 2020, 03:08:59 AM »
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Re: Dem Watch 2020
« Reply #441 on: February 25, 2020, 03:18:40 AM »
Are you just gonna ignore everything and keep posting massive documents saying nothing new? Alright, alright, I believe you, an agency with a yearly budget of about as much as Bloomberg spends in 3 days based in Russia holds more sway in the US than the entire media industry and the intelligence agencies by means of Facebook ads. You're very convincing. Like, even if that shit is all 100% real, it's a pathetic con.
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Re: Dem Watch 2020
« Reply #442 on: February 25, 2020, 03:26:21 AM »
Are you just gonna ignore everything and keep posting massive documents saying nothing new? Alright, alright, I believe you, an agency with a yearly budget of about as much as Bloomberg spends in 3 days based in Russia holds more sway in the US than the entire media industry and the intelligence agencies by means of Facebook ads. You're very convincing.

Ahem.  You're an idiot.
Let me give you a real example.


Russia makes a Pro-Trump Rally on facebook. People sign up.
Russia makes an anti-trump rally on facebook at the same time and place.  People sign up.

Day of the event they both show up.  Tempers flare.  Arguments occurr and both sides think the other is full of assholes.  The media reports it with usual bias.  Facebook groups put their spin on it. 
"Anti-Trumpers disrupt peaceful rally!!!"
"Trump supporters yell at peaceful protesters!"

Now two groups on facebook with a few thousand followers each see evidence that the other side is full of bad people.
Cost?  Damn near nothing.
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Re: Dem Watch 2020
« Reply #443 on: February 25, 2020, 03:27:44 AM »
I think Pez was saying that the russians did stuff, but not everything they are accused of duing during the cold war.

And, ergo, he is wrong.

So the Russians did everything they were accused of in the cold war?

That's pretty much the reality, 
Lol, what?
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Re: Dem Watch 2020
« Reply #444 on: February 25, 2020, 05:05:34 AM »
Are you just gonna ignore everything and keep posting massive documents saying nothing new? Alright, alright, I believe you, an agency with a yearly budget of about as much as Bloomberg spends in 3 days based in Russia holds more sway in the US than the entire media industry and the intelligence agencies by means of Facebook ads. You're very convincing.

Ahem.  You're an idiot.
Let me give you a real example.


Russia makes a Pro-Trump Rally on facebook. People sign up.
Russia makes an anti-trump rally on facebook at the same time and place.  People sign up.

Day of the event they both show up.  Tempers flare.  Arguments occurr and both sides think the other is full of assholes.  The media reports it with usual bias.  Facebook groups put their spin on it. 
"Anti-Trumpers disrupt peaceful rally!!!"
"Trump supporters yell at peaceful protesters!"

Now two groups on facebook with a few thousand followers each see evidence that the other side is full of bad people.
Cost?  Damn near nothing.
Its called social engineering and its very easy.
If it was that simple everyone would be doing it mate.
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Re: Dem Watch 2020
« Reply #445 on: February 25, 2020, 05:19:07 AM »
I think it is hilarious that anyone believes people using social media
can have their minds changed.

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Re: Dem Watch 2020
« Reply #446 on: February 25, 2020, 05:21:41 AM »
I think it is hilarious that anyone believes people using social media
can have their minds changed.

Well if Bloomberg becomes president then we'll know for sure.

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Re: Dem Watch 2020
« Reply #447 on: February 25, 2020, 05:39:14 AM »
I think it is hilarious that anyone believes people using social media
can have their minds changed.

Yeah,  except that's not how it works.  People like to hear stuff they agree with, and filter out or ignore stuff they don't agree with.

If I know the stuff you like and don't like and fear,  I can manipulate you by pandering to your likes, and using your fears.

I hear the fish are biting off the pier, do you want to grab a couple of beers and join me? 

Stop gilding the pickle, you demisexual aromantic homoflexible snowflake.

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Re: Dem Watch 2020
« Reply #448 on: February 25, 2020, 05:49:32 AM »
Are you just gonna ignore everything and keep posting massive documents saying nothing new? Alright, alright, I believe you, an agency with a yearly budget of about as much as Bloomberg spends in 3 days based in Russia holds more sway in the US than the entire media industry and the intelligence agencies by means of Facebook ads. You're very convincing.

Ahem.  You're an idiot.
Let me give you a real example.


Russia makes a Pro-Trump Rally on facebook. People sign up.
Russia makes an anti-trump rally on facebook at the same time and place.  People sign up.

Day of the event they both show up.  Tempers flare.  Arguments occurr and both sides think the other is full of assholes.  The media reports it with usual bias.  Facebook groups put their spin on it. 
"Anti-Trumpers disrupt peaceful rally!!!"
"Trump supporters yell at peaceful protesters!"

Now two groups on facebook with a few thousand followers each see evidence that the other side is full of bad people.
Cost?  Damn near nothing.
Its called social engineering and its very easy.
If it was that simple everyone would be doing it mate.

Whose to say they aren't?  Now granted, the goal of such things is to cause internal conflict.  Something most Americans want to avoid.  (They want to win, not create a fight)
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Re: Dem Watch 2020
« Reply #449 on: February 25, 2020, 06:06:18 AM »

If I know the stuff you like and don't like and fear,  I can manipulate you by pandering to your likes, and using your fears.

I hear the fish are biting off the pier, do you want to grab a couple of beers and join me?

I'm already there. If you feel like joining me, feel free.
(I've got peppermint schnapps to share.)