Dem Watch 2020

Quote from: Lorddave on February 08, 2020, 11:21:09 AM

How does that show anything about Trump support?

Thats like saying Wise could be a great leader if he wasn't paranoid and had charisma.

But I never said he is a Trump supporter, he said I said that... All I said was that the main issue he seems to have with Trump is the Putin shit.

And that he was corrupt to the core. You forgot that pretty important qualifier for the statement

I also agree with the sentiment and for a time held hope. One thing that Trump had that other Presidents didn't was a shitload of money. Therefore he would not have to be beholden to his sponsors and lobbyists.

Therefore, Trump had a unique position where he could tell others to STFU and run the country his way, for the benefit of voters and not the usual sponsors. Perhaps like most others, he had noble intentions like wanted to get out of the Middle East.

This is why Bloomberg maybe could be a good candidate?? I dont know much except he seems less unhinged than Trump, better spoken and mannered than Trump, and has the money to fund his own campaign so wont 'owe' anybody once he's in.

But fear sells. And Trump is selling lots of it.

What will PEZ do if he earns a diploma?

Yeah right, as if the greek would ever earn a diploma.

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on February 08, 2020, 07:24:43 AM

Pez, I don't even remember you being a member of the forum when Obama was running for president the first time. If you were you probably hadn't acquired this level of retartation yet.

Did you ever say that about Obama then? Because honestly it seems to me like you're constantly looking for reasons to get upset about queer people, or something like that, and it's getting pretty weird and annoying.

I do not have to look for reasons!

Pez keeps flipping between alternate realities. What he posts does not much up with the reality we know. The only way Pez can be right is if he spends most of his time in another reality.... One where Jerkface is a proud Trump supporter and Space Cowgirl is a raging homophobe lol

Pez keeps flipping between alternate realities. What he posts does not much up with the reality we know. The only way Pez can be right is if he spends most of his time in another reality.... One where Jerkface is a proud Trump supporter and Space Cowgirl is a raging homophobe lol

Maybe he does and every reply gets copied here?

and Space Cowgirl is a raging homophobe lol

She is though, isn't she?!

Quote from: Shifter on February 08, 2020, 02:58:39 PM

and Space Cowgirl is a raging homophobe lol

She is though, isn't she?!

Don't talk shit about Mom. 

I am wokephobic.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/09/iowa-democrats-buttigieg-edges-sanders-for-delegates-112965

Pete 43,274 votes
Sanders 45,842 votes

Obviously Pete is the winner so he gets more delegates.  Because Democrats can't math. 

Go Amy!!...

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/allen-klobuchar-is-ride-or-die-in-a-bar-brawl-78447685533

Now, sit back and watch as Pez tries to entertain us with a psychotic episode. 

Interesting New Hampshire polling.    Klobuchar is polling ahead of Warren and Biden,  but still lagging behind Buttigieg and Sanders.

The latest installment of the 7 News/Emerson College tracking poll in New Hampshire, conducted Feb. 7-8, showed Sanders at 30 percent, Buttigieg at 20 percent, Sen. Amy Klobuchar at 13 percent, Sen. Elizabeth Warren at 12 percent and former Vice President Joe Biden at 11 percent.

Where did Pez go, is he in hiding?

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on February 07, 2020, 11:24:23 AM

They don't exist because the only way for them to be implemented would be financially catastrophic.  Take a look at Warren's Medicare for all and the costs.  Sanders is smart enough to be vague. 

It takes seconds to Google "Sanders medicare for all finance plan" or something like that and see that this is false.

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When you think about how his ideas would be implemented, it doesn't take a genius to see that nothing is free, the costs would be staggering, and the means to pay for them would a financial disaster.

You're not gonna expand on that? You're just gonna ignore all the countries that have implemented similar policies and just say "well it seems to me like it would be expensive and we'd go bankrupt"? The US already spends trillions on healthcare, more per capita than (almost?) any other country, including the ones with universal. I'm really tired of people just saying it's impossibly expensive without any effort to explain why.

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Non Specific example:  Idea X over the next 10 years will cost $20Trillion.  People will get X for free as the government pays for it.  Where does the government get the money to pay for it.  Tax payers.  Tax income per yer doesn't meet the needs to pay for it.  How do you get the extra money to pay for it?

Why don't you just look at the plans proposed?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.sanders.senate.gov/download/options-to-finance-medicare-for-all%3Finline%3Dfile&ved=2ahUKEwiJ5K71msDnAhXtsaQKHcJAB3wQFjABegQIBRAC&usg=AOvVaw2tqCxQugfNOPAoT_zhxHsW

The first thing I noticed is that Sanders didn't sign it...as a matter of fact, it doesn't even has his name printed on it.

You are a joke.

The second thing that needs to be brought up is that everyone who has Medicare A+B still needs a supplement insurance policy from a private provider, plus a Medicare D plan for prescription drugs.

BUNCH OF FLUFF offered by you, as has been typical of you for probably all of your life.

Trump's trolling of Sanders is largely going to be calling him a communist.  But when the Republicans have been calling every Democrats ever a communist for the last 40 years it sort of rings hollow.

He won't need to call him a communist.

Chris Matthews is calling him a communist.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/02/09/chris-matthews-is-right-about-the-dangers-of-bernie-sanders-and-the-reds/

The second thing that needs to be brought up is that everyone who has Medicare A+B still needs a supplement insurance policy from a private provider, plus a Medicare D plan for prescription drugs.

Also, people think Medicare is free.
It's not.
It is deducted every month.

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on February 07, 2020, 12:11:55 PM

And which one of those other countries has a comparable population of ~330M and infrastructure stretching across ~3.97 million square miles of land, ~12.5k miles of coastline, etc.

I'm trying to understand how that's relevant. You could have said "how many of these countries' names started with an 'A'? How many of these countries give a shit about baseball? (now that I think about it Cuba cares about baseball and is piss poor but somehow still has better healthcare than the US for poor people but it doesn't start with an A)". It wouldn't be any less relevant. The US has the second highest GDP per capita in the world so population is not an excuse. Nether is coastline, idk why you thought that one would be relevant. It's not like coastline needs healthcare.

The US is not even close to second.

The populations of countries with basic socialized medicine, such as Norway, are largely homogeneous.

And that is a factor.

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on February 07, 2020, 04:24:21 PM

There's a weird strain of the left who rate people on a hierarchy of oppression. Pete Buttigieg is not nearly oppressed enough to satisfy them. They even complained when he kissed his husband. I never suggested there were thousands of these people, but they do make a lot of noise.

I guess I should stop being surprised that it is impossible to have a normal conversation with Pez.

Pez is like that know-it-all kid in school who just refused to admit there was something he didn't know.  Even when proven wrong he retreats into pedantry,  and nit-picking.

Biden is damaged goods.  ( Trump's dirt campaign worked ),  Mayor Pete is going to run headlong into the homophobic attacks,  Bernie is too old and too radical,  Warren would make a great Treasury Secretary,  Kamala Harris for AG?   

So who's left?   Bloomberg?  Klobuchar?

Biden's trouble has been he is a shitbag.

Obama wouldn't even endorse him.

Trump wants Biden to win.

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 07, 2020, 01:35:19 PM

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on February 07, 2020, 12:11:55 PM

And which one of those other countries has a comparable population of ~330M and infrastructure stretching across ~3.97 million square miles of land, ~12.5k miles of coastline, etc.

I'm trying to understand how that's relevant. You could have said "how many of these countries' names started with an 'A'? How many of these countries give a shit about baseball? (now that I think about it Cuba cares about baseball and is piss poor but somehow still has better healthcare than the US for poor people but it doesn't start with an A)". It wouldn't be any less relevant. The US has the second highest GDP per capita in the world so population is not an excuse. Nether is coastline, idk why you thought that one would be relevant. It's not like coastline needs healthcare.

The US is not even close to second.

The populations of countries with basic socialized medicine, such as Norway, are largely homogeneous.

And that is a factor.

How is that a factor?

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 07, 2020, 01:35:19 PM

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on February 07, 2020, 12:11:55 PM

And which one of those other countries has a comparable population of ~330M and infrastructure stretching across ~3.97 million square miles of land, ~12.5k miles of coastline, etc.

I'm trying to understand how that's relevant. You could have said "how many of these countries' names started with an 'A'? How many of these countries give a shit about baseball? (now that I think about it Cuba cares about baseball and is piss poor but somehow still has better healthcare than the US for poor people but it doesn't start with an A)". It wouldn't be any less relevant. The US has the second highest GDP per capita in the world so population is not an excuse. Nether is coastline, idk why you thought that one would be relevant. It's not like coastline needs healthcare.

The US is not even close to second.

The populations of countries with basic socialized medicine, such as Norway, are largely homogeneous.

And that is a factor.

Lackey is right.

Americans hate eachother.  They're racist, mystoginist, assholes.  Just look how New Yorkers hate New Jersey.

Ask one American if he feels kinship with someone on the other side of the country and they'll tell you 'hell no.'


Until Americans can like eachother like civilized people, there is no hope.

Lackey is right.

Americans hate eachother.  They're racist, mystoginist, assholes.  Just look how New Yorkers hate New Jersey.

Ask one American if he feels kinship with someone on the other side of the country and they'll tell you 'hell no.'


Until Americans can like eachother like civilized people, there is no hope.

This is true for many countries.
This is also why it is important to have laws to protect people everywhere, because people tend to be assholes to others who are not like them.

Quote from: Lorddave on February 10, 2020, 07:40:51 AM

Lackey is right.

Americans hate eachother.  They're racist, mystoginist, assholes.  Just look how New Yorkers hate New Jersey.

Ask one American if he feels kinship with someone on the other side of the country and they'll tell you 'hell no.'


Until Americans can like eachother like civilized people, there is no hope.

This is true for many countries.
This is also why it is important to have laws to protect people everywhere, because people tend to be assholes to others who are not like them.

Yeah but most countries accept kinsfolk.  Like if you're from east france, west france isn't gonna bitch about you.

Yeah but most countries accept kinsfolk.  Like if you're from east france, west france isn't gonna bitch about you.

Im from South Africa.
We have 11 official languages, and by extension, essentially 11 different cultural groups, of which "The English" is one of them. If you are Xhosa and you go to a Zulu area, you will get more than bitchin.


But granted, you said most countries, and I would agree with you.

Quote from: totallackey on February 10, 2020, 06:10:55 AM

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 07, 2020, 01:35:19 PM

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on February 07, 2020, 12:11:55 PM

And which one of those other countries has a comparable population of ~330M and infrastructure stretching across ~3.97 million square miles of land, ~12.5k miles of coastline, etc.

I'm trying to understand how that's relevant. You could have said "how many of these countries' names started with an 'A'? How many of these countries give a shit about baseball? (now that I think about it Cuba cares about baseball and is piss poor but somehow still has better healthcare than the US for poor people but it doesn't start with an A)". It wouldn't be any less relevant. The US has the second highest GDP per capita in the world so population is not an excuse. Nether is coastline, idk why you thought that one would be relevant. It's not like coastline needs healthcare.

The US is not even close to second.

The populations of countries with basic socialized medicine, such as Norway, are largely homogeneous.

And that is a factor.

How is that a factor?

It has been a factor for thousands of years.

That is why countries are formed.

America is homogenised, you are all Americans.

That's the whole fucking point of a nation state.

America is homogenised, you are all Americans.

That's the whole fucking point of a nation state.

Yeah but they don't see each other as the same.  America is like 4 or 5 countries worth of cultures and people.

America is homogenised, you are all Americans.

That's the whole fucking point of a nation state.

People belonging to the same state/country does not make people homogeneous.
It just means they have the same rights to travel freely in that part of the planet, and maybe vote n stuff.

Homogeneous is when people have the same cultures, back ground, language and general understanding of the world. Something American People do not have.

Quote from: Crouton on February 07, 2020, 05:53:21 PM

Trump's trolling of Sanders is largely going to be calling him a communist.  But when the Republicans have been calling every Democrats ever a communist for the last 40 years it sort of rings hollow.

He won't need to call him a communist.

Chris Matthews is calling him a communist.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/02/09/chris-matthews-is-right-about-the-dangers-of-bernie-sanders-and-the-reds/

So Chris Matthews doesn't know the difference between communism and socialism either?  Good to know.

I will join Amy in the bar fight.

Quote from: Crouton on February 10, 2020, 06:57:17 AM

Quote from: totallackey on February 10, 2020, 06:10:55 AM

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 07, 2020, 01:35:19 PM

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on February 07, 2020, 12:11:55 PM

And which one of those other countries has a comparable population of ~330M and infrastructure stretching across ~3.97 million square miles of land, ~12.5k miles of coastline, etc.

I'm trying to understand how that's relevant. You could have said "how many of these countries' names started with an 'A'? How many of these countries give a shit about baseball? (now that I think about it Cuba cares about baseball and is piss poor but somehow still has better healthcare than the US for poor people but it doesn't start with an A)". It wouldn't be any less relevant. The US has the second highest GDP per capita in the world so population is not an excuse. Nether is coastline, idk why you thought that one would be relevant. It's not like coastline needs healthcare.

The US is not even close to second.

The populations of countries with basic socialized medicine, such as Norway, are largely homogeneous.

And that is a factor.

How is that a factor?

It has been a factor for thousands of years.

That is why countries are formed.

Is there something substantially different between each subgroups physiology that makes universal health care impossible?

Sir, you are a lying dog faced pony soldier.

Quote from: totallackey on February 10, 2020, 08:37:29 AM

Quote from: Crouton on February 10, 2020, 06:57:17 AM

Quote from: totallackey on February 10, 2020, 06:10:55 AM

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 07, 2020, 01:35:19 PM

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on February 07, 2020, 12:11:55 PM

And which one of those other countries has a comparable population of ~330M and infrastructure stretching across ~3.97 million square miles of land, ~12.5k miles of coastline, etc.

I'm trying to understand how that's relevant. You could have said "how many of these countries' names started with an 'A'? How many of these countries give a shit about baseball? (now that I think about it Cuba cares about baseball and is piss poor but somehow still has better healthcare than the US for poor people but it doesn't start with an A)". It wouldn't be any less relevant. The US has the second highest GDP per capita in the world so population is not an excuse. Nether is coastline, idk why you thought that one would be relevant. It's not like coastline needs healthcare.

The US is not even close to second.

The populations of countries with basic socialized medicine, such as Norway, are largely homogeneous.

And that is a factor.

How is that a factor?

It has been a factor for thousands of years.

That is why countries are formed.

Is there something substantially different between each subgroups physiology that makes universal health care impossible?

Sir, you are a lying dog faced pony soldier.

No, he is right.  Psychology is a big factor.

In America, you're taught to survive on your own.  Stand on your own two feet as the lone hero.    Now, in large cities, this is far less prevelent because well... You don't need to.  You have millions of people around, all doing jobs that are needed and you don't have time for anything else.

Rural areas, however, are required to be more self sufficient.  Especially when neighbors are miles away.

Do this plus add a few thousand miles and you get issues.

No, it's not much different in rural areas now. Maybe 40 years ago, and maybe in some places up north (like the Dakotas and Montana), but family farm life is basically over in the US.