Dem Watch 2020

Quote from: Shifter on February 07, 2020, 11:38:24 AM

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on February 07, 2020, 11:24:23 AM

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 07, 2020, 11:09:22 AM

Quote from: Lorddave on February 07, 2020, 11:06:14 AM

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 07, 2020, 10:53:50 AM

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on February 07, 2020, 10:38:02 AM

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 07, 2020, 10:20:59 AM

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on February 07, 2020, 09:52:28 AM

Sanders - While his general ideas sound great on paper (which is why a lot of people like his general ideas), when you get to the details they are economical disasters.  Nothing is free.  Americans (and most people in general) don't like to pay for other peoples stuff.  I don't go out to dinner to pay for someone elses food.

Oh you got to the details? What are the details?

Exactly.

So you looked into the details and decided it's a financial disaster, but also there are no details? Gotta pick one...

Its not financial, its cultural.
See, Americans are tribal.  They see other Americans as "not my problem".  Why help someone else when you can help yourself?  And if you need help, you are obviously lazy/stupid/a burden on society and should die.

Even if that were the case, this would literally help the majority of Americans. But NSS's argument was that it would be a financial catastrophe if you look at the details, which, as he insists, don't exist. Make whatever you want out of this.

They don't exist because the only way for them to be implemented would be financially catastrophic.  Take a look at Warren's Medicare for all and the costs.  Sanders is smart enough to be vague.  When you think about how his ideas would be implemented, it doesn't take a genius to see that nothing is free, the costs would be staggering, and the means to pay for them would a financial disaster.

Non Specific example:  Idea X over the next 10 years will cost $20Trillion.  People will get X for free as the government pays for it.  Where does the government get the money to pay for it.  Tax payers.  Tax income per yer doesn't meet the needs to pay for it.  How do you get the extra money to pay for it?

Hmmm. Other countries can afford a decent health care system. And great education. Even social security! I guess you can stretch your dollars further when you aren't spending more than 600+ billion in 'defense'.

Health, education and social security..... Believe it or not but they work as investments. You might think you're the greatest nation on Earth but no nation wants to end up like you lol

No offense 

And which one of those other countries has a comparable population of ~330M and infrastructure stretching across ~3.97 million square miles of land, ~12.5k miles of coastline, etc.

With a greater population comes greater tax revenue

Also Australia is quite massive like the US but with only a population of 25odd million to bleed tax out of.

America could and should do better. Maybe if you want to live in a great country you should pay for it. Otherwise continue to be the joke of the world.

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 07, 2020, 11:37:44 AM

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on February 07, 2020, 11:26:12 AM

You always strawman what I post so that you can disagree with me. Do you have reading comprehension problems or do you do it on purpose?  It's really boring and tiresome. You said that no one is saying it, I told you to look it up, that there were some people saying it, now you've decided that I said there is "some sort of great number of gay people who aren't voting for him because he isn't gay enough", which I never posted. If you're going to argue with me, I would appreciate it if you just argued with what I've actually said, and not what you imagine I've said. This is why people get so aggravated with you. Stop being so dishonest.

Alright so you were only talking about like 5 people who probably think that when you said "he's not queer enough for Twitter wokemons" which is one of the reasons you are surprised he won in Iowa. Got it.

I said "almost no one" in my original post if you want to be pedantic about it.

To be pedantic about it. You said,  "I don't think anyone's issue with Pete is that he's not gay enough."  https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=84130.msg2234031#msg2234031

This is the post I made right after that because I realized someone would get pedantic about it:

Quote from: Shifter on February 06, 2020, 10:22:01 AM

Quote from: markjo on February 06, 2020, 10:19:54 AM

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on February 06, 2020, 09:35:21 AM

You should google "pete buttigieg not gay enough"

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/01/opinion/sunday/pete-buttigieg-iowa.html

"He has weathered complaints, even derision, from L.G.B.T.Q. progressives, many of whom say he’s not gay enough, his manner and mannerisms too strait-laced, his policy preoccupations too moderate, his success infuriatingly reflective of how readily and well he assimilates into heterosexual America. "

Yeah, it's almost as if he can separate his sex life from his political life.  Who knew that was possible?

Are the LGBQTI people really pissed that his voice may not be 'campy' or feminine enough? Or that he doesn't jump in the air and clap his hands or wear a manbag or other nonsense? Maybe they should look in the mirror as to who are the real bigots

Νο, Ι'm pretty sure almost no one has actually complained about that, but every time someone who is gay makes a criticism of him his fans immediately assume that's why.

And which one of those other countries has a comparable population of ~330M and infrastructure stretching across ~3.97 million square miles of land, ~12.5k miles of coastline, etc.

I'm trying to understand how that's relevant. You could have said "how many of these countries' names started with an 'A'? How many of these countries give a shit about baseball? (now that I think about it Cuba cares about baseball and is piss poor but somehow still has better healthcare than the US for poor people but it doesn't start with an A)". It wouldn't be any less relevant. The US has the second highest GDP per capita in the world so population is not an excuse. Nether is coastline, idk why you thought that one would be relevant. It's not like coastline needs healthcare.

Well, I guess republicans could be excused for thinking land and coastline need healthcare, after all most of them think land should vote.

And which one of those other countries has a comparable population of ~330M and infrastructure stretching across ~3.97 million square miles of land, ~12.5k miles of coastline, etc.

Usa- 9.8 million square km

China. 1.3 Billion over 9.5 million square km.  95% public health care coverage that pays about 50% of costs.  They are working for 70% in the next few years.

Russia.  Full coverage.  146 million people over 17.1 million square km.

Brazil - full coverage.  209 million people over 8.5 mllion square km.



I'm sorry, were you expecting something else?
In fact, smaller countries should be at a disadvantage.  Less market to bargain with when negotiating prices.  Less tax income.  Less resources.  And yet, still money to give people care.

And if you honestly think giving people fully paid health care makes them weak, you clearly don't see the value in having a strong, healthy workforce.  Also: please don't have kids.  You'll get them killed.

I will pretend my comment to Shifter was my comment to you and then pretend I predicted that someone else would get pedantic about it even though I am the one who became pedantic.

Got it.

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 07, 2020, 01:30:29 PM

I will pretend my comment to Shifter was my comment to you and then pretend I predicted that someone else would get pedantic about it even though I am the one who became pedantic.

Got it.

My comment to Shifter was on the exact same subject. I wanted to write "no one" and then I thought "someone's gonna find like one person who thinks that and say it's not literally no one". I don't remember getting pedantic about anything. All I said is that *sigh* almost no one complains he isn't gay enough. I'm pretty sure the 5 people who did had no influence on any results, neither is it important in any way, or comparable to the people who don't like him being gay. Some people may criticize him for not taking a strong enough stance on these issues, but that's a different thing. Again, if someone voted for the gayest candidate they'd just vote for him.

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on February 07, 2020, 02:32:44 PM

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 07, 2020, 01:30:29 PM

I will pretend my comment to Shifter was my comment to you and then pretend I predicted that someone else would get pedantic about it even though I am the one who became pedantic.

Got it.

My comment to Shifter was on the exact same subject. I wanted to write "no one" and then I thought "someone's gonna find like one person who thinks that and say it's not literally no one". I don't remember getting pedantic about anything. All I said is that *sigh* almost no one complains he isn't gay enough. I'm pretty sure the 5 people who did had no influence on any results, neither is it important in any way, or comparable to the people who don't like him being gay. Some people may criticize him for not taking a strong enough stance on these issues, but that's a different thing. Again, if someone voted for the gayest candidate they'd just vote for him.

So,  seeing as you are an expert on American elections,  how many have you witnessed or been involved in over your lifetime?   How many election rallies have you attended?

My guess is that the answer to those questions ( and more ) is precisely zero.   Which is by sheer coincidence exactly the same as your ability to process logical argument,   

Pretty close to your english comprehension ability,  seeing as you somehow think I'm a Trump supporter.   You'd be the only one who ever thought that.

There's a weird strain of the left who rate people on a hierarchy of oppression. Pete Buttigieg is not nearly oppressed enough to satisfy them. They even complained when he kissed his husband. I never suggested there were thousands of these people, but they do make a lot of noise.

I guess I should stop being surprised that it is impossible to have a normal conversation with Pez.

There's a weird strain of the left who rate people on a hierarchy of oppression. Pete Buttigieg is not nearly oppressed enough to satisfy them. They even complained when he kissed his husband. I never suggested there were thousands of these people, but they do make a lot of noise.

I guess I should stop being surprised that it is impossible to have a normal conversation with Pez.

Pez is like that know-it-all kid in school who just refused to admit there was something he didn't know.  Even when proven wrong he retreats into pedantry,  and nit-picking.

Biden is damaged goods.  ( Trump's dirt campaign worked ),  Mayor Pete is going to run headlong into the homophobic attacks,  Bernie is too old and too radical,  Warren would make a great Treasury Secretary,  Kamala Harris for AG?   

So who's left?   Bloomberg?  Klobuchar?

Bernies old but I'm watching him in this debate and I think still sharp enough to be president.

I like Bernie, I wouldn't mind if he won the nomination. I also don't think it would be as easy for Trump to troll him.

Trump's trolling of Sanders is largely going to be calling him a communist.  But when the Republicans have been calling every Democrats ever a communist for the last 40 years it sort of rings hollow.

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 07, 2020, 08:18:13 AM

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on February 07, 2020, 07:14:14 AM

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on February 07, 2020, 01:43:25 AM

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on February 06, 2020, 09:35:21 AM

You should google "pete buttigieg not gay enough"

That's literally only gonna show bullshit clickbait articles. Basically noone really thinks he's not 'gay enough', thats just a catchphrase to gain clicks and thus money from gullible people like you!



Oh and I vote for pez as the new minister of defence - he is too pussy to ever even remotely start a war, which is good!

It was gay media saying he's not gay enough. Out Magazine, Prick News, etc, and yes they are always desperate for clicks. The New Republic called him the "gay uncle Tom" and "Mary Pete". There are also individual weirdo wokemons who think he should be more obviously gay. They don't like that he looks and acts like anyone else. So basically, there are people who think he's not "gay enough". It's weird that both of you are even arguing with me about it when you could find it on the internet easily enough. I know that once Pez has proclaimed something he never changes his mind, but this is just silly. Believe me or not, it really doesn't matter. All those articles still exist.

But all you posted was Buttigieg fans complaining about people saying that, not people actually saying he is not gay enough. I'm sure there are individual people who think that but you can find individual people saying all sorts of weird stuff. If it's something about him being an uncle Tom, then that's not the same as calling him not gay enough or whatever. You make it sound like there is some sort of great number of gay people who aren't voting for him because he isn't gay enough, when there is all sorts of reasons why many gay people aren't voting for him, but this one isn't an important one.

I found the New Republic article (which they retracted), and I'm pretty sure it's either some sort of joke or written by someone high out of his mind. At some point he complains that Buttigieg wouldn' t be a good president because he came out too recently, which means he'd spend all his time preoccupied with drugs and sex.

You always strawman what I post so that you can disagree with me. Do you have reading comprehension problems or do you do it on purpose?  It's really boring and tiresome. You said that no one is saying it, I told you to look it up, that there were some people saying it, now you've decided that I said there is "some sort of great number of gay people who aren't voting for him because he isn't gay enough", which I never posted. If you're going to argue with me, I would appreciate it if you just argued with what I've actually said, and not what you imagine I've said. This is why people get so aggravated with you. Stop being so dishonest.

English isn't his first language. You shouldn'tgo too hard on the poor greek!



Edit: about trump trolling bernie. I think bolshevism-bernie would sound awesome. Just unfortunate the muricans wouldnt understand it.

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on February 07, 2020, 04:24:21 PM

There's a weird strain of the left who rate people on a hierarchy of oppression. Pete Buttigieg is not nearly oppressed enough to satisfy them. They even complained when he kissed his husband. I never suggested there were thousands of these people, but they do make a lot of noise.

I guess I should stop being surprised that it is impossible to have a normal conversation with Pez.

Pez is like that know-it-all kid in school who just refused to admit there was something he didn't know.  Even when proven wrong he retreats into pedantry,  and nit-picking.

Biden is damaged goods.  ( Trump's dirt campaign worked ),  Mayor Pete is going to run headlong into the homophobic attacks,  Bernie is too old and too radical,  Warren would make a great Treasury Secretary,  Kamala Harris for AG?   

You still mad about being hilariously wrong about Klobuchar?

So who's left?   Bloomberg? 

Is this some sort of comedy routine?

There's a weird strain of the left who rate people on a hierarchy of oppression. Pete Buttigieg is not nearly oppressed enough to satisfy them. They even complained when he kissed his husband. I never suggested there were thousands of these people, but they do make a lot of noise.

I guess I should stop being surprised that it is impossible to have a normal conversation with Pez.

It's not surprising it's hard to have a normal conversation when you constantly complain about being strawmanned because I assume you said something that made sense in the context. You always bring up those weird and mean queer people who are damaging the discourse and make all that noise and it's all super important but it also always turns out to be 5 people you saw on twitter. I don't understand why. I never saw you say there was an issue with black people saying Obama is not black enough, but googling that I find more stuff about that than Buttigieg not being gay enough, and by higher profile people.

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 07, 2020, 02:42:04 PM

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on February 07, 2020, 02:32:44 PM

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 07, 2020, 01:30:29 PM

I will pretend my comment to Shifter was my comment to you and then pretend I predicted that someone else would get pedantic about it even though I am the one who became pedantic.

Got it.

My comment to Shifter was on the exact same subject. I wanted to write "no one" and then I thought "someone's gonna find like one person who thinks that and say it's not literally no one". I don't remember getting pedantic about anything. All I said is that *sigh* almost no one complains he isn't gay enough. I'm pretty sure the 5 people who did had no influence on any results, neither is it important in any way, or comparable to the people who don't like him being gay. Some people may criticize him for not taking a strong enough stance on these issues, but that's a different thing. Again, if someone voted for the gayest candidate they'd just vote for him.

So,  seeing as you are an expert on American elections,  how many have you witnessed or been involved in over your lifetime?   How many election rallies have you attended?

My guess is that the answer to those questions ( and more ) is precisely zero.   Which is by sheer coincidence exactly the same as your ability to process logical argument,   

Pretty close to your english comprehension ability,  seeing as you somehow think I'm a Trump supporter.   You'd be the only one who ever thought that.

Show me where I said you are a Trump supporter. Also what is the first part of your comment about? Have you been involved in US elections before? Did you forget you are Australian?

Apparently Buttigieg gave a pretty garbage response to the question about why he arrested more black kids with weed as mayor of South Bend, and he's getting grilled about it online.

Pez, pls stop the spam. This one man show is pathetic.

Pro tip: you can edit your posts

Show me where I said you are a Trump supporter. Also what is the first part of your comment about? Have you been involved in US elections before? Did you forget you are Australian?

Cough!..

JerkFace actually said once he thinks Trump may have been a fine president if he wasn't Putin's dog or something like that.

I'm pretty sure I said no such thing,  or you misread the subtext.


Let's keep it polite and simple.  My question to you is...  How many US Presidential Elections have you been involved in?   I'll extend that to include following the primaries in the media.

I'm attempting to establish whether or not you have any experience of how these things actually play out in the real world.

Pez, I don't even remember you being a member of the forum when Obama was running for president the first time. If you were you probably hadn't acquired this level of retartation yet.

Pez, I don't even remember you being a member of the forum when Obama was running for president the first time. If you were you probably hadn't acquired this level of retartation yet.

From what I remember, he never was a smart guy!

Mean!

Anyway, Romney is winning by a landslide!

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 08, 2020, 01:29:31 AM

Show me where I said you are a Trump supporter. Also what is the first part of your comment about? Have you been involved in US elections before? Did you forget you are Australian?

Cough!..

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 07, 2020, 08:11:19 AM

JerkFace actually said once he thinks Trump may have been a fine president if he wasn't Putin's dog or something like that.

I'm pretty sure I said no such thing,  or you misread the subtext.

What do I get if I find this exact post?

Pez, I don't even remember you being a member of the forum when Obama was running for president the first time. If you were you probably hadn't acquired this level of retartation yet.

Did you ever say that about Obama then? Because honestly it seems to me like you're constantly looking for reasons to get upset about queer people, or something like that, and it's getting pretty weird and annoying.

What do I get if I find this exact post?

A ferocious boner?

There, found it:

Quote from: Bom Tishop on December 12, 2019, 12:07:45 AM

https://www.reddit.com/r/sharktank/comments/e8lcxz/mr_wonderful_predicts_2020_election_winner_will_be/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=tp_title

Just interested in people's opinions on Kevin O'Leary's opinions here. I am a monster fan of "Mr. Wonderful", excluding the fact he loves money so much. I would listen to him read me the alphabet.

The two main points of this clip.

Trump economy- Kevin says the main way Trump has helped is through deregulation and he gave an example in his own business portfolio. I don't know on this yet, though I am in the process of opening a new location, so I may have more of an opinion later. However, at this point I see no difference.

Young socialist/anti capitalism/anti conservative- People grow out of socialism when they get older and experience real life. I agree with this excluding supporting some socialized services.

He seems reasonable.  His opinion that Trump is like Alexander the Great is a bit off the wall.   

The sad thing is that, Trump could have been a great President if he wasn't corrupt to the core and owned by Putin.

How does that show anything about Trump support?

Thats like saying Wise could be a great leader if he wasn't paranoid and had charisma.

How does that show anything about Trump support?

Thats like saying Wise could be a great leader if he wasn't paranoid and had charisma.

But I never said he is a Trump supporter, he said I said that... All I said was that the main issue he seems to have with Trump is the Putin shit.

What will PEZ do if he earns a diploma?