Strongest FE Evidence

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Re: Strongest FE Evidence
« Reply #600 on: December 03, 2019, 11:21:38 PM »
Gravity.

You have only one option: attractive gravity.

Please explain how the gravitons emitted by the iron/nickel core interact with the gravitons released by lake Ontario.

How do they attract each other?

How does attractive gravity work?

You can't even explain the mechanism for ONE SINGLE GALLON OF WATER, let alone one billion trillion gallons.

Sorry, you can't claim that "gravity" does the job for you.

YOU MUST EXPLAIN HOW.

Otherwise common sense becomes the enemy of RET.

The theory of gravitation seems to elegantly and uniquely explain why we should and do consider its principles in all aspects of engineering and in everyday life. It's literally the best thing we've got in the 21st century and all matter of design, development, manufacturing, and usage of the mundane to the spectacular of devices, products, and systems rely upon this fundamental tapestry that is woven into our collective thinking and progress in the last several hundred years as a species. So far so good.

If you seem to think otherwise, have at it. Dismantle all the systems that rely on gravity as we know it. Build a better airplane with ion wind 'lifter' tech. Alter how structural engineers calculate the forces on skyscrapers. Work through the hydrodynamics of flood plain mitigation and control. Just start running down the list of everything that relies on gravitational calculations as we know and understand them and see where you can make difference. I bet you can't.

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Re: Strongest FE Evidence
« Reply #601 on: December 03, 2019, 11:23:33 PM »
Cameras magically hide the lower section of distant objects like Toronto, making them appear underwater.
Yes
No. You have no evidence for that at all. There is absolutely no rational basis for it at all.

If you want to claim a better camera magically brings it all back into view, then prove it. go find a better shot clearly shot from the same beach which shows Toronto down to the shoreline with no distortion from refraction.
Or, as I suggested earlier, go get a dart board and then take a few photos with different cameras, showing how a low quality camera magically cuts out the middle of the dart board.

Or just try and explain how your low quality camera magically removes the middle section rather than just lowering the resolution or increasing the noise.

Until you can explain why this is happening these photos will remain clear evidence that Earth is round.
Again, the absolutely best you can do is say that these photos cannot be used as evidence one way or the other.
They certainly cannot honestly be used as evidence that Earth is flat as they directly contradict what is expected for a FE.


Stop trying to change the subject with your pathetic spam and deal with these photos.
I gave you a chance to try and defend your nonsense regarding gravity and you repeatedly just resorted to spam and repeatedly avoided very simple questions, before finally giving up on it and pretending no more questions were asked. If you want to pretend gravity is a problem due to the alleged lack of a mechanism you need to provide an alternative for what keeps your loads of water stuck to your pizza planet. You were at the point of claiming bosons were being emitted from Jupitor, but were unable to explain how.

Now either explain why the lower section of Toronto appears to be under water, or admit they are useless as evidence to support a flat Earth.
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Re: Strongest FE Evidence
« Reply #602 on: December 03, 2019, 11:47:19 PM »
The theory of gravitation seems to elegantly and uniquely explain why we should and do consider its principles in all aspects of engineering and in everyday life.

No.

To this present day no one, including R. Feynman, can explain how attractive gravity works.

All of the achievements enumerated by you were created using the local-ether model, pressure gravity, and Tesla's double torsion ether waves (electricity).


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« Reply #603 on: December 03, 2019, 11:57:28 PM »
The theory of gravitation seems to elegantly and uniquely explain why we should and do consider its principles in all aspects of engineering and in everyday life.

No.

To this present day no one, including R. Feynman, can explain how attractive gravity works.

All of the achievements enumerated by you were created using the local-ether model, pressure gravity, and Tesla's double torsion ether waves (electricity).

Actually, none of them were. Literally none.

Example, cite a single instance where the design of an aircraft even remotely takes into account local-ether model, pressure gravity, and Tesla's double torsion ether waves. Like, let's say, a stalwart workhorse, the Boeing 737.

Looking forward to what you come up with.
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Re: Strongest FE Evidence
« Reply #604 on: December 03, 2019, 11:58:58 PM »
Here is a challenge for the RE: explain how a single gallon of water stays in place on the outer surface of a sphere (6378.164 km radius).

On a flat earth, we dig a hole in some terrain, pour in one gallon of water, and we are done. Nothing else to explain.

You, on the other hand, have to provide the explanation for the outrageous claim that water stays curved, and the same time remains in place on the outer surface of a sphere.

If you cannot explain this hypothesis, all of your claims are useless and my explanation that the quality of camera determines the final image stands true.


Please understand: I do not have to explain terrestrial gravity on a flat earth. We have a flat surface of the Earth, water stays in place in some indentation on that surface.

However, for my readers, I will explain in detail how terrestrial gravity works on a flat earth.

I will even explain the inner mechanism of a boson for you.


Flat Earth Terrestrial Gravity

Terrestrial gravity is caused by the pressure exerted by longitudinal ether waves on matter at the most infinitesimal level (quarks, preons/electrons).

Theoretical proof of the existence of longitudinal waves:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1994059#msg1994059

Experimental proof of the existence of ether waves:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1722791#msg1722791

“This implies an important conclusion: bodies of different volumes that are in the same gradient medium acquire the same acceleration.

Note that if we keep watch on the fall of bodies of different masses and volumes in the Earth’s gravitation field under conditions when the effect of the air resistance is minimized (or excluded), the bodies acquire the same acceleration. Galileo was the first to establish this fact. The most vivid experiment corroborating the fact of equal acceleration for bodies of different masses is a fall of a lead pellet and bird feather in the deaerated glass tube. Imagine we start dividing one of the falling bodies into some parts and watching on the fall of these parts in the vacuum. Quite apparently, both large and small parts will fall down with the same acceleration in the Earth’s gravitation field. If we continue this division down to atoms we can obtain the same result. Hence it follows that the gravitation field is applied to every element that has a mass and constitutes a physical body. This field will equally accelerate large and small bodies only if it is gradient and acts on every elementary particle of the bodies. But a gradient gravitation field can act on bodies if there is a medium in which the bodies are immersed. Such a medium is the ether medium. The ether medium has a gradient effect not on the outer sheath of a body (a bird feather or lead pellet), but directly on the nuclei and electrons constituting the bodies. That is why bodies of different densities acquire equal acceleration.

Equal acceleration of the bodies of different volumes and masses in the gravitation field also indicates such an interesting fact that it does not matter what external volume the body has and what its density is. Only the ether medium volume that is forced out by the total amount of elementary particles (atomic nuclei, electrons etc.) matters. If gravitation forces acted on the outer sheath of the bodies then the bodies of a lower density would accelerate in the gravitation field faster than those of a higher density.

The examples discussed above allow clarifying the action mechanism of the gravitation force of physical bodies on each other. Newton was the first to presume that there is a certain relation between the gravitation mechanism and Archimedean principle. The medium exerting pressure on a gravitating body is the ether.”

Example:



At a higher altitude the laevorotatory longitudinal strings have a greater than normal rate of vibration, while the pressure of the dextrorotatory strings decreases.

At the higher altitude, the antigravitational strings have a greater effect on the air inside the plastic bottle; at the lower elevation, the dextrorotatory receptive vortices of the atoms of air inside the container will be activated to a greater extent, practically causing the plastic bottle to implode, absorbing all of the available aether in the sealed bottle.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2037796#msg2037796

Now, the proof coming from magnetricity.

Electricity = Magnetism - both consist of subquark flow, one in a conductor, the other in space

This flow is made up of TWO currents, of opposing spin, traveling in double torsion fashion: the dextrorotatory subquarks and the laevorotatory subquarks.

PRECISE, REAL TIME, PHOTOGRAPHS OF ELECTRICAL CURRENTS, THE DOUBLE VORTEX/SPIN/STRINGS AT WORK:









SPINTRONICS, secret world of magnets, the most thorough work on the double helix theory of the magnetic field (double helix of the telluric currents):

http://freenrg.info/Misc/The_Secret_World_Of_Magnets.pdf

HERE IS HOW THE FLOW OF SUBQUARKS OCCURS IN A MAGNET:



Not only North-Center-South laevorotatory subquarks, but ALSO a South-Center-North flow of dextrorotatory subquarks/magnetic monopoles.

This is what the graviton/magnetic monopole looks like, both spins:



HYDROGEN ATOM: 18 SUBQUARKS - 9 LAEVOROTATORY AND 9 DEXTROROTATORY subquarks

A proton is made up of NINE laevorotatory subquarks - an electron is actually comprised of NINE dextrorotatory subquarks (called now preons).

However, modern science has mistakenly named a SINGLE dextrorotatory subquark as an electron and has ascribed THE TOTAL charge of the NINE corresponding subquarks as the total negative charge of a single electron, thus confusing the whole matter.


TELLURIC CURRENTS are represented by double torsion waves of BOTH laevorotatory (antigravity) and dextrorotatory (terrestrial gravity) subquarks.


NOW WE CAN UNDERSTAND HOW ELECTRICITY FLOWS:

An electric current brought to bear upon the subquarks checks their proper motions, i.e., renders them slower; the subquarks exposed to it arrange themselves in parallel lines, and in each line the heart-shaped depression receives the flow, which passes out through the apex into the depression of the next, and so on. The subquarks always set themselves to the current.  In all the diagrams the heart-shaped body, exaggerated to show the depression caused by the inflow and the point caused by the outflow, is a single subquark.


SPINTRONICS, the secret world of magnets, the most thorough work on the double helix theory of the magnetic field (double helix of the telluric currents):







There two flows of subquarks/magnetic monopoles: South-Center-North AND North-Center-South.

The modern study of the magnetic field/electromagnetism ONLY includes the South to North flow.

Yet, there are TWO continuous streams of different particles.

What, then, is the nature of the SECOND flux of particles?

"Magnetic current is the same as electric current is a wrong expression. Really it is not one current they are two currents, one current is composed of North Pole individual magnets in concentrated streams, and the other is composed of South Pole magnets in concentrated streams, and they are running one stream against the other stream in whirling, screw like fashion, and with high speed."


Modern science only studies one of these streams.


Whittaker proved that the potential consists of pairs of bidirectional longitudinal scalar waves, and that the same equation governs both gravity and magnetism.

The second flow/stream of particles IS THE GRAVITATIONAL WAVE, which has a dextrorotatory spin. Both flows/streams form the ELECTROGRAVITATIONAL FIELD.


The existence of the electrogravitational field is also proven by the Weyl-Papapetrou-Majumdar-Ivanov formula.


Ether = longitudinal waves = non-Hertzian waves

Aether = medium through which these waves propagate.

Ether waves have two kinds of spin: dextrorotatory (gravitational waves) and laevorotatory (electromagnetic waves).

The laevorotatory waves consist/are made up of subquarks with a left-handed spin.

The dextrorotatory waves consist/are made up of subquarks with a right-handed spin.

A subquark, in turn, is composed of strings of bosons which propagate longitudinally.

At each pole both kinds of ether waves are being emitted: they form the ether drift, the local-ether model, above the surface of the Earth.



Very good question.

Laevorotatory subquarks are being emitted by the Black Sun. This is how we solve the paradox from RET: gravitons which were emitted five billion years ago and are still stable, or gravitons which are continuously being released by the iron/nickel core, this happening without any loss of mass, or without any explanation as to how subquark are being emitted by the iron atom.

The detection of subquarks:

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1278981#msg1278981

Chris Hill, theorist at Fermilab, indicated the view in “New Scientist” | 11 May 1996 | page 29 | “It would suggest that whatever lies inside the quarks is incredibly tightly bound, in a way that theory can’t yet accommodate.”


Absolute proof of the existence of subquarks:

https://web.archive.org/web/20120128042636/http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_09_4_phillips.pdf (Dr. Stephen Phillips, UCLA, Cambridge)

See also: http://www.esotericscience.org/article5a.htm



http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1401101#msg1401101 (subquarks, quarks, mesons, baryons)

This is true, remarkable, even for elements like francium and astatine, whose atomic weights must have been unknown to Besant and Leadbeater because science discovered them in, respectively,  1939  and  1940,  about seven years  after the deaths of  the two Theosophists.  How, if  MPAs  are not atoms, could they have anticipated  in 1908 - five years before scientists suspected the existence of isotopes - the fact that an element such as neon could have more than one type of  atom, an MPA, moreover, whose calculated number weight of 22.33 is consistent with their having detected with micro-psi the neon-22 nuclide before the physicist J. J. Thomson discovered it in  1913? One must turn to particle physics for answers.

Dr.T. Henry Moray:

Further I realized that the energy was not coming out of the earth, but instead was coming to the earth from some outside source. These electrical oscillations in the form of waves were not simple oscillations, but were surgings --- like the waves of the sea --- coming to the earth continually, more in the daytime than at night, but always coming in vibrations from the reservoir of colossal energy out there in space.


Next you will ask: "where is the proof?"


ALLAIS EFFECT:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg760382#msg760382


The subquarks are being assembled by the Black Sun, using the streams of bosons coming from Jupiter.

How, you will ask.

Here is the proof:

In order to examine the construction of the Anu, a space is artificially made. Then, if an opening be made in the wall thus constructed, the surrounding force flows in, and three whorls immediately appear surrounding the "hole" with their triple spiral of two and a half coils, and returning to their origin by a spiral within the Anu; these are at once followed by seven finer whorls, which, following the spiral of the first three on the outer surface, and returning to their origin by a spiral within that, flowing in the opposite direction--form a caduceus with the first three. Each of the three coarser whorls flattened out, makes a closed circle; each of the seven finer ones, similarly flattened out, makes a closed circle.

http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/oc/chaptr01.htm

These streams of subquarks are being injected at each Pole.


Next up, the bosons.

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Re: Strongest FE Evidence
« Reply #605 on: December 04, 2019, 12:02:14 AM »
Example, cite a single instance where the design of an aircraft even remotely takes into account local-ether model

Jet engines were invented by VIKTOR SCHAUBERGER: it was he, not Whipple, not Heinkel, who first produced a working model of the jet engine.

He invented these engines using the DOUBLE TORSION THEORY OF ETHER WAVES.

That is why jet engines work: SCHAUBERGER-DEPALMA EFFECT.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2044376#msg2044376


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Re: Strongest FE Evidence
« Reply #606 on: December 04, 2019, 12:04:16 AM »
Gravity.

You have only one option: attractive gravity.

Please explain how the gravitons emitted by the iron/nickel core interact with the gravitons released by lake Ontario.

How do they attract each other?

How does attractive gravity work?

You can't even explain the mechanism for ONE SINGLE GALLON OF WATER, let alone one billion trillion gallons.

Sorry, you can't claim that "gravity" does the job for you.

YOU MUST EXPLAIN HOW.

Otherwise common sense becomes the enemy of RET.


Here is someone yelling to anyone out there to explain to him how gravity works.  In reality, he knows well that there is any number of reliable academic sources where he could go to find a reasonable explanation for his question. What's more interesting is that he will find no such reasonable reliable academic sources for many of the things he himself believes in; Black Suns, 600-meter diameter Sun. I find it odd that he screams for answers and evidence for something that actually exists, while apparently being willing to believe in things which are purely fictitious for which no evidence exists! I think some consistency is called for here.

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Re: Strongest FE Evidence
« Reply #607 on: December 04, 2019, 12:07:07 AM »
Here is a challenge for the RE: explain how a single gallon of water stays in place on the outer surface of a sphere (6378.164 km radius).

On a flat earth, we dig a hole in some terrain, pour in one gallon of water, and we are done. Nothing else to explain.

You, on the other hand, have to provide the explanation for the outrageous claim that water stays curved, and the same time remains in place on the outer surface of a sphere.

If you cannot explain this hypothesis, all of your claims are useless and my explanation that the quality of camera determines the final image stands true.


Please understand: I do not have to explain terrestrial gravity on a flat earth. We have a flat surface of the Earth, water stays in place in some indentation on that surface.

However, for my readers, I will explain in detail how terrestrial gravity works on a flat earth.

I will even explain the inner mechanism of a boson for you.


Flat Earth Terrestrial Gravity

Terrestrial gravity is caused by the pressure exerted by longitudinal ether waves on matter at the most infinitesimal level (quarks, preons/electrons).

Theoretical proof of the existence of longitudinal waves:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1994059#msg1994059

Experimental proof of the existence of ether waves:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1722791#msg1722791

“This implies an important conclusion: bodies of different volumes that are in the same gradient medium acquire the same acceleration.

Note that if we keep watch on the fall of bodies of different masses and volumes in the Earth’s gravitation field under conditions when the effect of the air resistance is minimized (or excluded), the bodies acquire the same acceleration. Galileo was the first to establish this fact. The most vivid experiment corroborating the fact of equal acceleration for bodies of different masses is a fall of a lead pellet and bird feather in the deaerated glass tube. Imagine we start dividing one of the falling bodies into some parts and watching on the fall of these parts in the vacuum. Quite apparently, both large and small parts will fall down with the same acceleration in the Earth’s gravitation field. If we continue this division down to atoms we can obtain the same result. Hence it follows that the gravitation field is applied to every element that has a mass and constitutes a physical body. This field will equally accelerate large and small bodies only if it is gradient and acts on every elementary particle of the bodies. But a gradient gravitation field can act on bodies if there is a medium in which the bodies are immersed. Such a medium is the ether medium. The ether medium has a gradient effect not on the outer sheath of a body (a bird feather or lead pellet), but directly on the nuclei and electrons constituting the bodies. That is why bodies of different densities acquire equal acceleration.

Equal acceleration of the bodies of different volumes and masses in the gravitation field also indicates such an interesting fact that it does not matter what external volume the body has and what its density is. Only the ether medium volume that is forced out by the total amount of elementary particles (atomic nuclei, electrons etc.) matters. If gravitation forces acted on the outer sheath of the bodies then the bodies of a lower density would accelerate in the gravitation field faster than those of a higher density.

The examples discussed above allow clarifying the action mechanism of the gravitation force of physical bodies on each other. Newton was the first to presume that there is a certain relation between the gravitation mechanism and Archimedean principle. The medium exerting pressure on a gravitating body is the ether.”

Example:



At a higher altitude the laevorotatory longitudinal strings have a greater than normal rate of vibration, while the pressure of the dextrorotatory strings decreases.

At the higher altitude, the antigravitational strings have a greater effect on the air inside the plastic bottle; at the lower elevation, the dextrorotatory receptive vortices of the atoms of air inside the container will be activated to a greater extent, practically causing the plastic bottle to implode, absorbing all of the available aether in the sealed bottle.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2037796#msg2037796

Now, the proof coming from magnetricity.

Electricity = Magnetism - both consist of subquark flow, one in a conductor, the other in space

This flow is made up of TWO currents, of opposing spin, traveling in double torsion fashion: the dextrorotatory subquarks and the laevorotatory subquarks.

PRECISE, REAL TIME, PHOTOGRAPHS OF ELECTRICAL CURRENTS, THE DOUBLE VORTEX/SPIN/STRINGS AT WORK:









SPINTRONICS, secret world of magnets, the most thorough work on the double helix theory of the magnetic field (double helix of the telluric currents):

http://freenrg.info/Misc/The_Secret_World_Of_Magnets.pdf

HERE IS HOW THE FLOW OF SUBQUARKS OCCURS IN A MAGNET:



Not only North-Center-South laevorotatory subquarks, but ALSO a South-Center-North flow of dextrorotatory subquarks/magnetic monopoles.

This is what the graviton/magnetic monopole looks like, both spins:



HYDROGEN ATOM: 18 SUBQUARKS - 9 LAEVOROTATORY AND 9 DEXTROROTATORY subquarks

A proton is made up of NINE laevorotatory subquarks - an electron is actually comprised of NINE dextrorotatory subquarks (called now preons).

However, modern science has mistakenly named a SINGLE dextrorotatory subquark as an electron and has ascribed THE TOTAL charge of the NINE corresponding subquarks as the total negative charge of a single electron, thus confusing the whole matter.


TELLURIC CURRENTS are represented by double torsion waves of BOTH laevorotatory (antigravity) and dextrorotatory (terrestrial gravity) subquarks.


NOW WE CAN UNDERSTAND HOW ELECTRICITY FLOWS:

An electric current brought to bear upon the subquarks checks their proper motions, i.e., renders them slower; the subquarks exposed to it arrange themselves in parallel lines, and in each line the heart-shaped depression receives the flow, which passes out through the apex into the depression of the next, and so on. The subquarks always set themselves to the current.  In all the diagrams the heart-shaped body, exaggerated to show the depression caused by the inflow and the point caused by the outflow, is a single subquark.


SPINTRONICS, the secret world of magnets, the most thorough work on the double helix theory of the magnetic field (double helix of the telluric currents):







There two flows of subquarks/magnetic monopoles: South-Center-North AND North-Center-South.

The modern study of the magnetic field/electromagnetism ONLY includes the South to North flow.

Yet, there are TWO continuous streams of different particles.

What, then, is the nature of the SECOND flux of particles?

"Magnetic current is the same as electric current is a wrong expression. Really it is not one current they are two currents, one current is composed of North Pole individual magnets in concentrated streams, and the other is composed of South Pole magnets in concentrated streams, and they are running one stream against the other stream in whirling, screw like fashion, and with high speed."


Modern science only studies one of these streams.


Whittaker proved that the potential consists of pairs of bidirectional longitudinal scalar waves, and that the same equation governs both gravity and magnetism.

The second flow/stream of particles IS THE GRAVITATIONAL WAVE, which has a dextrorotatory spin. Both flows/streams form the ELECTROGRAVITATIONAL FIELD.


The existence of the electrogravitational field is also proven by the Weyl-Papapetrou-Majumdar-Ivanov formula.


Ether = longitudinal waves = non-Hertzian waves

Aether = medium through which these waves propagate.

Ether waves have two kinds of spin: dextrorotatory (gravitational waves) and laevorotatory (electromagnetic waves).

The laevorotatory waves consist/are made up of subquarks with a left-handed spin.

The dextrorotatory waves consist/are made up of subquarks with a right-handed spin.

A subquark, in turn, is composed of strings of bosons which propagate longitudinally.

At each pole both kinds of ether waves are being emitted: they form the ether drift, the local-ether model, above the surface of the Earth.



Very good question.

Laevorotatory subquarks are being emitted by the Black Sun. This is how we solve the paradox from RET: gravitons which were emitted five billion years ago and are still stable, or gravitons which are continuously being released by the iron/nickel core, this happening without any loss of mass, or without any explanation as to how subquark are being emitted by the iron atom.

The detection of subquarks:

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1278981#msg1278981

Chris Hill, theorist at Fermilab, indicated the view in “New Scientist” | 11 May 1996 | page 29 | “It would suggest that whatever lies inside the quarks is incredibly tightly bound, in a way that theory can’t yet accommodate.”


Absolute proof of the existence of subquarks:

https://web.archive.org/web/20120128042636/http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_09_4_phillips.pdf (Dr. Stephen Phillips, UCLA, Cambridge)

See also: http://www.esotericscience.org/article5a.htm



http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1401101#msg1401101 (subquarks, quarks, mesons, baryons)

This is true, remarkable, even for elements like francium and astatine, whose atomic weights must have been unknown to Besant and Leadbeater because science discovered them in, respectively,  1939  and  1940,  about seven years  after the deaths of  the two Theosophists.  How, if  MPAs  are not atoms, could they have anticipated  in 1908 - five years before scientists suspected the existence of isotopes - the fact that an element such as neon could have more than one type of  atom, an MPA, moreover, whose calculated number weight of 22.33 is consistent with their having detected with micro-psi the neon-22 nuclide before the physicist J. J. Thomson discovered it in  1913? One must turn to particle physics for answers.

Dr.T. Henry Moray:

Further I realized that the energy was not coming out of the earth, but instead was coming to the earth from some outside source. These electrical oscillations in the form of waves were not simple oscillations, but were surgings --- like the waves of the sea --- coming to the earth continually, more in the daytime than at night, but always coming in vibrations from the reservoir of colossal energy out there in space.


Next you will ask: "where is the proof?"


ALLAIS EFFECT:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg760382#msg760382


The subquarks are being assembled by the Black Sun, using the streams of bosons coming from Jupiter.

How, you will ask.

Here is the proof:

In order to examine the construction of the Anu, a space is artificially made. Then, if an opening be made in the wall thus constructed, the surrounding force flows in, and three whorls immediately appear surrounding the "hole" with their triple spiral of two and a half coils, and returning to their origin by a spiral within the Anu; these are at once followed by seven finer whorls, which, following the spiral of the first three on the outer surface, and returning to their origin by a spiral within that, flowing in the opposite direction--form a caduceus with the first three. Each of the three coarser whorls flattened out, makes a closed circle; each of the seven finer ones, similarly flattened out, makes a closed circle.

http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/oc/chaptr01.htm

These streams of subquarks are being injected at each Pole.


Next up, the bosons.

It looks like you have really lost it now.

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Re: Strongest FE Evidence
« Reply #608 on: December 04, 2019, 12:09:27 AM »
Journey inside a boson:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1774536#msg1774536

An equivalent question is this: WHAT IS MASS?

The mass of a boson is determined by the RIEMANN ZETA FUNCTION WAVES:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2094762#msg2094762

The distribution of the zeros of the Riemann zeta function is related to the model of the energy levels in a heavy nucleus.

https://www.ias.edu/ideas/2013/primes-random-matrices

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1505.07481.pdf


More details regarding mass/Riemann's zeta function:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2195233#msg2195233


This is how planets communicate with each other, using boson stream/strings:

Plasma Flux Transfer Events between Saturn and the Sun

A twisted magnetic field structure, previously never seen before at Saturn, has now been detected for the first time ... When the Sun’s magnetic field interacts with the Earth’s magnetic field (the magnetosphere), a complex process occurs called magnetic reconnection which can twist the field into a helical shape. These twisted helically structured magnetic fields are called flux ropes or “flux transfer events” (FTEs) and are observed at Earth and even more commonly at Mercury ...

https://web.archive.org/web/20180512121552/https://www.ucl.ac.uk/mathematical-physical-sciences/images/news/Saturn_3D_final6.jpg



https://www.ucl.ac.uk/mathematical-physical-sciences/news/2016/jul/magnetic-rope-observed-first-time-between-saturn-and-sun

"They have been observed at all the planets out to Jupiter."

FLAT EARTH TERRESTRIAL GRAVITY A-Z.

Now it is your turn to explain how a single gallon of water stays in place on the outer surface of a sphere.

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Re: Strongest FE Evidence
« Reply #609 on: December 04, 2019, 12:10:57 AM »
Example, cite a single instance where the design of an aircraft even remotely takes into account local-ether model

Jet engines were invented by VIKTOR SCHAUBERGER: it was he, not Whipple, not Heinkel, who first produced a working model of the jet engine.

He invented these engines using the DOUBLE TORSION THEORY OF ETHER WAVES.

That is why jet engines work: SCHAUBERGER-DEPALMA EFFECT.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2044376#msg2044376

How about you lay out all your evidence for your 600-meter diameter sun, then you could give everyone your evidence for your Black Sun. While I can find any number of good credible sources on the workings of gravity I can find no references to either of your 'belief pillars'. It would be helpful for this if you refrained from referencing yourself.

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Re: Strongest FE Evidence
« Reply #610 on: December 04, 2019, 12:12:37 AM »
Journey inside a boson:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1774536#msg1774536

An equivalent question is this: WHAT IS MASS?

The mass of a boson is determined by the RIEMANN ZETA FUNCTION WAVES:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2094762#msg2094762

The distribution of the zeros of the Riemann zeta function is related to the model of the energy levels in a heavy nucleus.

https://www.ias.edu/ideas/2013/primes-random-matrices

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1505.07481.pdf


More details regarding mass/Riemann's zeta function:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2195233#msg2195233


This is how planets communicate with each other, using boson stream/strings:

Plasma Flux Transfer Events between Saturn and the Sun

A twisted magnetic field structure, previously never seen before at Saturn, has now been detected for the first time ... When the Sun’s magnetic field interacts with the Earth’s magnetic field (the magnetosphere), a complex process occurs called magnetic reconnection which can twist the field into a helical shape. These twisted helically structured magnetic fields are called flux ropes or “flux transfer events” (FTEs) and are observed at Earth and even more commonly at Mercury ...

https://web.archive.org/web/20180512121552/https://www.ucl.ac.uk/mathematical-physical-sciences/images/news/Saturn_3D_final6.jpg




FLAT EARTH TERRESTRIAL GRAVITY A-Z.

Now it is your turn to explain how a single gallon of water stays in place on the outer surface of a sphere.

You digress how about you explain clearly in your own words both your evidence for your 600-meter Sun and your mysterious Black Sun. Please, no more tangents.

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Re: Strongest FE Evidence
« Reply #611 on: December 04, 2019, 12:15:43 AM »
Journey inside a boson:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1774536#msg1774536

An equivalent question is this: WHAT IS MASS?

The mass of a boson is determined by the RIEMANN ZETA FUNCTION WAVES:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2094762#msg2094762

The distribution of the zeros of the Riemann zeta function is related to the model of the energy levels in a heavy nucleus.

https://www.ias.edu/ideas/2013/primes-random-matrices

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1505.07481.pdf


More details regarding mass/Riemann's zeta function:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2195233#msg2195233


This is how planets communicate with each other, using boson stream/strings:

Plasma Flux Transfer Events between Saturn and the Sun

A twisted magnetic field structure, previously never seen before at Saturn, has now been detected for the first time ... When the Sun’s magnetic field interacts with the Earth’s magnetic field (the magnetosphere), a complex process occurs called magnetic reconnection which can twist the field into a helical shape. These twisted helically structured magnetic fields are called flux ropes or “flux transfer events” (FTEs) and are observed at Earth and even more commonly at Mercury ...

https://web.archive.org/web/20180512121552/https://www.ucl.ac.uk/mathematical-physical-sciences/images/news/Saturn_3D_final6.jpg




FLAT EARTH TERRESTRIAL GRAVITY A-Z.

Now it is your turn to explain how a single gallon of water stays in place on the outer surface of a sphere.

If you would like to do a course on gravity I could point you in the direction of many good courses, Or you could watch this interesting video of a lecture given by Feynman. I believe you often quote him.

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Re: Strongest FE Evidence
« Reply #612 on: December 04, 2019, 12:15:56 AM »
Example, cite a single instance where the design of an aircraft even remotely takes into account local-ether model

Jet engines were invented by VIKTOR SCHAUBERGER: it was he, not Whipple, not Heinkel, who first produced a working model of the jet engine.

He invented these engines using the DOUBLE TORSION THEORY OF ETHER WAVES.

That is why jet engines work: SCHAUBERGER-DEPALMA EFFECT.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2044376#msg2044376

Actually, Victor did not. And Boeing, Rolls Royce, especially, do not build jet engines based upon DOUBLE TORSION THEORY OF ETHER WAVES.

If you would like to contend otherwise, then, well do so. You will remain wrong. But keep trying with foot long posts which really amount to nothing.
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Re: Strongest FE Evidence
« Reply #613 on: December 04, 2019, 12:21:49 AM »
Sure thing.

It was your tag team partner, who for the first time, proved that the shape of the Sun must be discoidal:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=83931.msg2216650#msg2216650

On a flat earth, the diameter of a discoidal Sun must be smaller than the distance between the two tropics, smaller than this distance divided by 180, and in fact smaller than the total annual westward precessional shift of the Sun (1.5 km).

The existence of the Black Sun, THE ALLAIS EFFECT:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg760382#msg760382


Boeing and Airbus and Rolls-Royce and everyone else BUILD THEIR ENGINES using the SCHAUBERGER MODEL/TEMPLATE.

No one else could make it work.

But he could, for the first time, using DOUBLE TORSION ETHER WAVES. That is why jet airplanes use much less fuel than we are told.


Don't you understand?

FEYNMAN COULD NOT EXPLAIN THE ATTRACTIVE MECHANISM.

No one can.

Please read:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2219928#msg2219928

Can you now understand?

For attractive gravity to work, you need a FASTER THAN LIGHT SPEED OF GRAVITONS.

However, Feynman's model propagates at a finite speed.


https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00696109

Quantum field theory cannot provide faster-than-light communication

Phillippe H. Eberhard, Ronald R. Ross
Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory

https://escholarship.org/uc/item/5604n7md

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Re: Strongest FE Evidence
« Reply #614 on: December 04, 2019, 12:41:19 AM »
I think who invented the jet engine is a matter of history and has no bearing on the topic of this discussion, it being the strongest evidence for a flat earth. If Mr. Sandokhan could indeed prove the sun was 600-meters in diameter that would be earth-shattering and turn the whole of science on its head, and the rest. I think as he is here he should use this opportunity to put forward all his evidence for what would be a truly epic revelation. I for one cant wait.

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Re: Strongest FE Evidence
« Reply #615 on: December 04, 2019, 12:43:53 AM »
I think who invented the jet engine is a matter of history and has no bearing on the topic of this discussion, it being the strongest evidence for a flat earth.

But it does.

Jet engines can't work without the SCHAUBERGER-DEPALMA EFFECT.

DePalma effect (Dr. Bruce DePalma, MIT, Harvard):

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg753387#msg753387

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Re: Strongest FE Evidence
« Reply #616 on: December 04, 2019, 12:44:57 AM »
Sure thing.

It was your tag team partner, who for the first time, proved that the shape of the Sun must be discoidal:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=83931.msg2216650#msg2216650

On a flat earth, the diameter of a discoidal Sun must be smaller than the distance between the two tropics, smaller than this distance divided by 180, and in fact smaller than the total annual westward precessional shift of the Sun (1.5 km).

The existence of the Black Sun, THE ALLAIS EFFECT:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg760382#msg760382

It's weird when you use a forum post, your own, as a citation for anything. Not scientific and certainly not objective. And just stop with the Allais, sagnac effect, no one cares and it's not relevant. Enough.

Boeing and Airbus and Rolls-Royce and everyone else BUILD THEIR ENGINES using the SCHAUBERGER MODEL/TEMPLATE.

No one else could make it work.

But he could, for the first time, using DOUBLE TORSION ETHER WAVES. That is why jet airplanes use much less fuel than we are told.

Umm, no and no they don't. Airlines use a lot of fuel and navigate all over this world with the utmost efficiency to generate profits. You have zero evidence that airlines:
A) Use engines that utilize DOUBLE TORSION ETHER WAVES.
B) They use less fuel than they pay for

Zero evidence means zero evidence. Sorry.
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Re: Strongest FE Evidence
« Reply #617 on: December 04, 2019, 12:47:08 AM »
Sure thing.

It was your tag team partner, who for the first time, proved that the shape of the Sun must be discoidal:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=83931.msg2216650#msg2216650

On a flat earth, the diameter of a discoidal Sun must be smaller than the distance between the two tropics, smaller than this distance divided by 180, and in fact smaller than the total annual westward precessional shift of the Sun (1.5 km).

The existence of the Black Sun, THE ALLAIS EFFECT:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg760382#msg760382


Boeing and Airbus and Rolls-Royce and everyone else BUILD THEIR ENGINES using the SCHAUBERGER MODEL/TEMPLATE.

No one else could make it work.

But he could, for the first time, using DOUBLE TORSION ETHER WAVES. That is why jet airplanes use much less fuel than we are told.


Don't you understand?

FEYNMAN COULD NOT EXPLAIN THE ATTRACTIVE MECHANISM.

No one can.

Please read:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2219928#msg2219928

Can you now understand?

For attractive gravity to work, you need a FASTER THAN LIGHT SPEED OF GRAVITONS.

However, Feynman's model propagates at a finite speed.


https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00696109

Quantum field theory cannot provide faster-than-light communication

Phillippe H. Eberhard, Ronald R. Ross
Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory

https://escholarship.org/uc/item/5604n7md

Referencing yourself does not count. How is it you can ignore and discount the vast amounts of academic discourse and research by any number of scientists on gravity but imagine your proof for a 600-meter diameter sun can be done using a couple of pretty scrappy meaningless lines in a post. How about some academic robustness and fairness. How about you give your own beliefs the same scrutiny you afford to gravity.

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Re: Strongest FE Evidence
« Reply #618 on: December 04, 2019, 12:49:25 AM »
Explain the DePalma effect:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg753387#msg753387

And just stop with the Allais, sagnac effect, no one cares and it's not relevant.

Referencing yourself does not count.

But it is.

No one currently can explain the ALLAIS EFFECT.

If GPS satellites did register the ORBITAL SAGNAC EFFECT, the discrepancies would amount in the KILOMETERS.

So it does matter.

My posts include the reference to your pal's proof, accompanied by the MISSING ORBITAL SAGNAC EFFECT.

The local-ether model is a fact of science.


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Re: Strongest FE Evidence
« Reply #619 on: December 04, 2019, 12:50:55 AM »
I think who invented the jet engine is a matter of history and has no bearing on the topic of this discussion, it being the strongest evidence for a flat earth.

But it does.

Jet engines can't work without the SCHAUBERGER-DEPALMA EFFECT.

DePalma effect (Dr. Bruce DePalma, MIT, Harvard):

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg753387#msg753387

Never mind jet engines how about you explain fully your belief in a 600-meter diameter sun, the revelation of which would as I have previously said would be earth-shattering.
Please give your explanation the same academic rigor as you yourself expect from someone explaining gravity.
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Re: Strongest FE Evidence
« Reply #620 on: December 04, 2019, 12:51:54 AM »
Here is a challenge for the RE: explain how a single gallon of water stays in place on the outer surface of a sphere (6378.164 km radius).
The equivalent challenge applies to you.
Explain how a single litre of water remains stuck to the outer surface of a plate.


On a flat earth, we dig a hole in some terrain, pour in one gallon of water, and we are done. Nothing else to explain.
Yes, you are done and have nothing else to explain, because you have no explanation at all.
You have no mechanism for why the water remains in the whole. All you have is the fact that it does.

However, for my readers, I will explain in detail how terrestrial gravity works on a flat earth.
Really? Because that seems to just be the same old spam and trying to use air pressure as evidence.

You are providing mountains of spam to avoid the explanation.

Next up, the bosons.
You seem to have missed that part. What's up? Need to find more spam to use? More sources you can blatantly misrepresent to pretend you have a case?

You still have no explanation for what causes the emission of these bosons.

And of course, all of these mountains of spam is just to avoid your massive failure, the fact that your "strongest FE evidence" quite conclusively disproves the flat Earth and confirms that Earth is round.

Again, if you wish to disagree you need to explain how the bottom of Tornoto is missing, and no appealing to a low quality camera with no explanation of what magic causes it to cut out the middle section to make it look like Earth is curved.

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Re: Strongest FE Evidence
« Reply #621 on: December 04, 2019, 12:55:44 AM »
Explain the DePalma effect:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg753387#msg753387

And just stop with the Allais, sagnac effect, no one cares and it's not relevant.

Referencing yourself does not count.

But it is.

No one currently can explain the ALLAIS EFFECT.

If GPS satellites did register the ORBITAL SAGNAC EFFECT, the discrepancies would amount in the KILOMETERS.

So it does matter.

My posts include the reference to your pal's proof, accompanied by the MISSING ORBITAL SAGNAC EFFECT.

The local-ether model is a fact of science.

Let's get on track and not be sidelined. The topic of this discussion is the best proof for a flat earth. A small sun I believe is central to any flat earth belief, you believe the sun is only 600-meters in diameter.  If you could prove this in a robust scientific way, in a manner similar as you demand from someone explaining say garvity, that would be a good place to start.
Over to you Mr Sandokhan...your proof for a 600-meter sun, thats of course assuming you have any proof.

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Re: Strongest FE Evidence
« Reply #622 on: December 04, 2019, 12:58:10 AM »
your proof for a 600-meter sun, thats of course assuming you have any proof.

Sure thing.

It was your tag team partner, who for the first time, proved that the shape of the Sun must be discoidal:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=83931.msg2216650#msg2216650

On a flat earth, the diameter of a discoidal Sun must be smaller than the distance between the two tropics, smaller than this distance divided by 180, and in fact smaller than the total annual westward precessional shift of the Sun (1.5 km).

The existence of the Black Sun, THE ALLAIS EFFECT:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg760382#msg760382


Explain how a single litre of water remains stuck to the outer surface of a plate.

I JUST DID.

RIGHT ON THIS PAGE.


I just posted the entire FLAT EARTH TERRESTRIAL GRAVITY THEORY.

A - Z.

I left nothing else out: not the subquarks, not the local-ether model, not the bosons.


I dare you to debate with me the Whittaker longitudinal waves, the subquark model, the pressure gravity model.


From now on, NONE OF YOU HERE CAN CLAIM THAT I DID NOT PROVIDE THE FE GRAVITATIONAL MODEL.


ALL I AM ASKING OF YOU NOW, IS TO EXPLAIN HOW A SINGLE GALLON OF WATER STAYS IN PLACE NEXT TO THE OUTER SURFACE OF A SPHERE.


One single gallon.


We dig a hole, pour in one gallon of water, on your precious spherical Earth.


HOW DOES THE WATER STAY IN PLACE?


If you cannot explain as much as this, you can no longer claim that the water of lake Ontario is curved.


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Re: Strongest FE Evidence
« Reply #623 on: December 04, 2019, 01:08:57 AM »
your proof for a 600-meter sun, thats of course assuming you have any proof.

Sure thing.
It was your tag team partner, who for the first time, proved that the shape of the Sun must be discoidal:

Your only problem is:

A) Commercial planes would have slammed into, or if not, been burned to a crisp by you 9-12km high, 600 meter wide sun. Hasn't happened.
B) They fly at the altitudes as registered by all devices around the world, otherwise we would have 1000's of planes slamming into each other.
C) Airlines don't seem to prosper when all of their customers are killed.

Your logic is flawed and wrong-headed. And unconditionally unrealistic. Try harder.
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Re: Strongest FE Evidence
« Reply #624 on: December 04, 2019, 01:09:28 AM »
your proof for a 600-meter sun, thats of course assuming you have any proof.

Sure thing.

It was your tag team partner, who for the first time, proved that the shape of the Sun must be discoidal:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=83931.msg2216650#msg2216650

On a flat earth, the diameter of a discoidal Sun must be smaller than the distance between the two tropics, smaller than this distance divided by 180, and in fact smaller than the total annual westward precessional shift of the Sun (1.5 km).

The existence of the Black Sun, THE ALLAIS EFFECT:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg760382#msg760382


Explain how a single litre of water remains stuck to the outer surface of a plate.

I JUST DID.

RIGHT ON THIS PAGE.


I just posted the entire FLAT EARTH TERRESTRIAL GRAVITY THEORY.

A - Z.

I left nothing else out: not the subquarks, not the local-ether model, not the bosons.


I dare you to debate with me the Whittaker longitudinal waves, the subquark model, the pressure gravity model.


From now on, NONE OF YOU HERE CAN CLAIM THAT I DID NOT PROVIDE THE FE GRAVITATIONAL MODEL.


ALL I AM ASKING OF YOU NOW, IS TO EXPLAIN HOW A SINGLE GALLON OF WATER STAYS IN PLACE NEXT TO THE OUTER SURFACE OF A SPHERE.


One single gallon.


We dig a hole, pour in one gallon of water, on your precious spherical Earth.


HOW DOES THE WATER STAY IN PLACE?


If you cannot explain as much as this, you can no longer claim that the water of lake Ontario is curved.

Stop. What you are giving is not proof.

If you expect people to believe that the sun is 600 meters in diameter you will have to do much better than that. Please don't, reference yourself that does nothing for your argument.
Imagine the type of proof you would like for any complex matter, that the type of proof we expect for your 600-meter sun claim. a couple of lines as I said before don't cut the mustard. In saying the sun is 600 meters in diameter requires mountains of proof, which I'm assuming you have, given the claim. All I'm asking you do is present it. I think those astronomers who study the sun would require more than that if they were to change their minds.

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Re: Strongest FE Evidence
« Reply #625 on: December 04, 2019, 01:11:15 AM »
While we all wait on Mr. Sandhkhan's 600-meter diameter sun-proof, Here is a video that I think scorches his doctored lake pics.

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Re: Strongest FE Evidence
« Reply #626 on: December 04, 2019, 01:17:55 AM »
Sure thing.

It was your tag team partner, who for the first time, proved that the shape of the Sun must be discoidal:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=83931.msg2216650#msg2216650
Mr. Sandokhan,  I have no hesitation in calling you out as a shameless bare-faced liar with that claim!
I at no time "proved that the shape of the Sun must be discoidal"! What I posted was this:
Of course, the surface gravity of the Sun is roughly 274 m/s2!

And here is another way to check that 274 m/s2 value for the Sun's surface gravity.

Average distance from earth to Sun: 149,597,870,000 m.
Radius of Sun: 695,510,000 m
Sidereal year: 31,558,150 secs
Hence Earth's orbital Angular Velocity = 2 x π / (Sidereal year) = 1.99099E-07 rad/s
Hence Earth's centripetal Acceleration about Sun = (1.99099 x 10-7)2 x (149,597,870,000) = 0.005930 m/s2.

But the (Sun's gravity at the Earth) = (Earth's centripetal Acceleration about Sun) =  0.005930 m/s2.
Now the gravity due to the Sun decreases as 1/(distance from the sun)2.
The Earth is 149,597,870,000 m from the Sun's centre and the Sun's surface is 695,510,000 m from the Sun's centre.

Therefore the Sun's gravity at its surface = 0.005930 x (149,597,870,000/695,510,000)2 = 274.35 m/s2 - QED.

So that agrees quite well with the surface g of the Sun as calculated from its mass, radius and the Universal Gravitational Constant - funny that!

Anything further was your doing Mr. Sandokhan, not mine!

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On a flat earth, the diameter of a discoidal Sun must be smaller than the distance between the two tropics, smaller than this distance divided by 180, and in fact smaller than the total annual westward precessional shift of the Sun (1.5 km).

And where did you drag those weird ideas from?
  • The Sun is NOT discoidal but is obviously almost spherical as anyone with a pair of eyes and the wherewithall to observe the movement of sunspots.

  • There where would you get an idea like this from: "Sun must be smaller than the distance between the two tropics, smaller than this distance divided by 180"?
    What total crap!

Now please try to debate honestly and cease from your lies.

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Re: Strongest FE Evidence
« Reply #627 on: December 04, 2019, 01:28:47 AM »
Cameras magically hide the lower section of distant objects like Toronto, making them appear underwater.

Yes, but your alternative, which requires the suspension of all beliefs and logic and common sense, is simply untenable.

You claim that the water of the lake is curved.

Unless and until you explain how this happens, you have a unworkable hypothesis.

You propose that four billion trillion liters of water stay glued next to the outer surface of sphere.

At the present time you are unable to explain how even a single gallon of water stays in place on the outer surface of this sphere, let alone one billion trillion gallons.

I propose that with a better camera, more details become visible.

You: four trillion billion liters of water on the outer surface of a sphere, with no explanation possible.

Me: a better camera.

Yes but, better camera = higher resolution shot of earth curvature, it doesn’t bring back the bottom of buildings, like it should, and you state, on a flat earth.

So be a scientist lets try and work out why your evidence points to a curved earth, instead of ad hominin attacks.

Still avoiding the maths question then?
You have to learn to reply without quoting a long previous answer.

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Re: Strongest FE Evidence
« Reply #628 on: December 04, 2019, 01:31:31 AM »
Gravity.

You have only one option: attractive gravity.

Please explain how the gravitons emitted by the iron/nickel core interact with the gravitons released by lake Ontario.

How do they attract each other?

How does attractive gravity work?

You can't even explain the mechanism for ONE SINGLE GALLON OF WATER, let alone one billion trillion gallons.

Sorry, you can't claim that "gravity" does the job for you.

YOU MUST EXPLAIN HOW.

Otherwise common sense becomes the enemy of RET.

Look at your images you posted, is the water flying off into space, for not the first time leave gravity out of it and lets deal with the issue at hand, your evidence suggests that the earth is curved, and you have ran yourself into a dead end, and have been called out on your grasp of gemometry and basic maths.

A thread was started to discuss gravity just for you and you ignored it.
You have to learn to reply without quoting a long previous answer.

Re: Strongest FE Evidence
« Reply #629 on: December 04, 2019, 01:38:38 AM »
Simple question and appealing to FE ONLY for direct answers to this. If you had to state the one piece of evidence that convinces you more than any other that the Earth is flat, what would it be.

Something that I can just glance at rather than spend the whole day reading through. Would love to but got other things to do!

Well, this will be a short thread as there is *no evidience !!!