Are all the pilots part of the conspiracy?

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Are all the pilots part of the conspiracy?
« on: October 30, 2019, 12:48:01 AM »
Is this a conspiracy on world level and all the pilots are part of it? They actually know that the earth is not a sphere but they don t tell?

Re: Are all the pilots part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2019, 01:36:38 AM »
I guess those who believe that the Earth is flat could in theory say that anyone who disagrees with them and says the Earth is a sphere is part of some sort of mass 'conspiracy'. However they need to prove the Earth isn't a sphere first.

Conspiracy theorists, regardless of what 'conspiracy' they are declaring often state that they are in search of the 'truth'. In other words anyone who doesn't agree with their opinions or beliefs are 'lying' or in denial of what the conspiracy theorists believe the 'truth' actually is.

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Re: Are all the pilots part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2019, 03:55:48 AM »
Is this a conspiracy on world level and all the pilots are part of it? They actually know that the earth is not a sphere but they don t tell?
Nope.



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Re: Are all the pilots part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2019, 04:19:51 AM »
In this videos i only see pilots having fun. I would say the same ? I am also a pilot. And i didn t see the south wall of ice and there is actually life after you fly after the south pole .

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Re: Are all the pilots part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2019, 04:29:23 AM »
This is also what general Byrd says. He says there is a continent beyond Lil America, other side of the south pole. it is similar to your opinion and his opinion. I can't say it's true or wrong. I don't think you've gone south enough. if you had gone, your plane would probably have been frozen before the wall - if any - to hit it.


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Re: Are all the pilots part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2019, 06:03:41 AM »
This is also what general Byrd says. He says there is a continent beyond Lil America, other side of the south pole. it is similar to your opinion and his opinion. I can't say it's true or wrong. I don't think you've gone south enough. if you had gone, your plane would probably have been frozen before the wall - if any - to hit it.

No, Admiral does not say, "there is a continent beyond Lil America".

What Admiral Byrd did say was, “An Area As Big As The United States on the Other Side of the South Pole” and here is where it is:


You might read: Admiral Byrd: “An Area As Big As The United States on the Other Side of the South Pole”

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Re: Are all the pilots part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2019, 06:30:20 AM »
This is also what general Byrd says. He says there is a continent beyond Lil America, other side of the south pole. it is similar to your opinion and his opinion. I can't say it's true or wrong. I don't think you've gone south enough. if you had gone, your plane would probably have been frozen before the wall - if any - to hit it.

No, Admiral does not say, "there is a continent beyond Lil America".

What means "Other side of the south pole" ? He means beyond Antarctica. You have drawn the place is already inside Antarctica, not in the "other side of the south pole". It is still north side of the south pole. With "other side" he means south of the south pole, it only means beyond Antarctica.


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Re: Are all the pilots part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2019, 06:46:44 AM »
What means "Other side of the south pole" ? He means beyond Antarctica. You have drawn the place is already inside Antarctica, not in the "other side of the south pole". It is still north side of the south pole. With "other side" he means south of the south pole, it only means beyond Antarctica.

It means just as it says.
The part in the picture in the admiral's time wasn't explored yet. :)
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Re: Are all the pilots part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2019, 06:51:27 AM »
What means "Other side of the south pole" ? He means beyond Antarctica. You have drawn the place is already inside Antarctica, not in the "other side of the south pole". It is still north side of the south pole. With "other side" he means south of the south pole, it only means beyond Antarctica.

It means just as it says.
The part in the picture in the admiral's time wasn't explored yet. :)
You are talking about a time NAZI bases established, but not explored yet. Lol.  C:-)


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Re: Are all the pilots part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2019, 09:05:42 AM »
What means "Other side of the south pole" ? He means beyond Antarctica. You have drawn the place is already inside Antarctica, not in the "other side of the south pole". It is still north side of the south pole. With "other side" he means south of the south pole, it only means beyond Antarctica.

It means just as it says.
The part in the picture in the admiral's time wasn't explored yet. :)
You are talking about a time NAZI bases established, but not explored yet. Lol.  C:-)

I was talking about the time when he was talking in that video. :)
I don't have to fight about anything.
These things are not about me.
When one points facts out, they speak for themselves.
The main goal in all that is simplicity.

Re: Are all the pilots part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2019, 09:48:53 AM »
This belief is based on an interpretation of one guy's story , 100 years ago?

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Re: Are all the pilots part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2019, 12:55:57 PM »
There is nothing about being a pilot that would reveal the shape of the earth to you. A previous moderator, TheEngineer, has testified to this as well as various pilots who have come by over the years.
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Re: Are all the pilots part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2019, 01:14:21 PM »
There is nothing about being a pilot that would reveal the shape of the earth to you. A previous moderator, TheEngineer, has testified to this as well as various pilots who have come by over the

Please think of this and tell me.
How long is the distance of the whole parallel of 80 degrees north. A circle of 360 degrees around the parallel 80 N. Ok ... Also what is the length of the 80 degrees  South paralel.
Result : if the distances are equal the earth is round .
If 80s is much much bigger than the 80N , the earth is a Pizza .
 
So? Which one is bigger?

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Re: Are all the pilots part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2019, 01:16:15 PM »
Your conclusion does not seem to follow from your premises. Can you clear up why?
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Re: Are all the pilots part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2019, 01:28:37 PM »
You have drawn the place is already inside Antarctica, not in the "other side of the south pole".
No, it is clearly on the other side.
North is not all the same side.

What you are doing is no better than saying it is on the outside.

They are in completely different directions from the south pole.
Yes, both of those directions can be called north, but that doesn't mean they are the same.

What he means is quite simple.
You start in some location, you then go over the south pole and end up on the other side of it.

There is absolutely no reason to think he meant south of the south pole.

There is nothing about being a pilot that would reveal the shape of the earth to you. A previous moderator, TheEngineer, has testified to this as well as various pilots who have come by over the years.
So you think the pilots are too stupid to realise that the distances they fly don't match the globe?

Re: Are all the pilots part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2019, 01:32:24 PM »
Your conclusion does not seem to follow from your premises. Can you clear up why?
If you follow your flat earth map, the distances along the parallels going from the N pole towards the South pole are getting bigger and bigger. For example 60 N with have 10900 NM. The Equator will have 21800 NM.  The distance at 60S will be much longer than the one at the Equator. Close to 32700NM. This are solid facts that you can demonstrate by actually flying a certain distance on opposite parallels. This is the easiest way to demonstrate that the earth is flat. Why don t you do that?

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Re: Are all the pilots part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2019, 01:35:31 PM »
There is nothing about being a pilot that would reveal the shape of the earth to you. A previous moderator, TheEngineer, has testified to this as well as various pilots who have come by over the years.

On an everyday basis, it depends upon what type of pilot one is, example, crop-dusters versus long haul commercial. However, as part of any pilot instruction/licensing the shape of the earth is discussed:

Page  3-11 FAA Navigation Manual:
(https://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/handbooks_manuals/aviation/advanced_avionics_handbook/media/aah_ch03.pdf)

"Unlike the world as printed on paper charts, the earth is round, not flat. The shortest distance between two points on the earth is not a straight line; it is an arc, as shown in Figure 3-14. The shortest route between two points on the surface of the earth is called a great circle route. To find the great circle route that connects two points, imagine a geometric plane cutting through the earth that passes through the two points and the center of the earth. On the great circle route from SFO to LGA in Figure 3-14, departing SFO, the desired track is a little less than 90 degrees.”

No. That sudden lurch forwards is the atmospheric slosh effect.

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Re: Are all the pilots part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2019, 02:25:55 PM »
There is nothing about being a pilot that would reveal the shape of the earth to you. A previous moderator, TheEngineer, has testified to this as well as various pilots who have come by over the years.
Are you sure? There are few things that a light plane pilot might note and that's all TheEngineer flew.

But pilots that fly at much higher altitudes do note enough things for them to see that the earth is a Globe.

One of the most obvious is the "dip angle to the horizon". That is the angle the horizon is below eye-level, the observers local horizontal.

If the earth is flat the horizon must always be at eye-level (the "dip angle to the horizon" must be zero). Your own Wiki says so:
Quote from: The Flat Earth Society Wiki
Basic Perspective
A fact of basic perspective is that the line of the horizon is always at eye level with the observer. This will help us understand how viewing distance works, in addition to the sinking ship effect. Have you ever noticed that as you climb
Samuel Birley Rowbotham also claims the same in, Zetetic Astronomy, at sacred-texts.com, EXPERIMENT 10.

Some flat-Earthers have correctly said this would not be quite true but it's close enough.

If, however, the earth is a Globe then the horizon is below eye-level by a predictable amount and pilots can certainly see that the horizon is a predictable angle below their eye-level or local horizontal.
It is true that the horizon seems to rise to eye-level but this is simply a result of perspective.
The simply because the distance to the horizon is so much than the distance the observers eye-level is above the horizon - twice one's height above the horizon.

There are plenty of YouTube videos of pilots and passengers measuring this dip angle to the horizon.

Re: Are all the pilots part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2019, 12:08:48 PM »
There is nothing about being a pilot that would reveal the shape of the earth to you. A previous moderator, TheEngineer, has testified to this as well as various pilots who have come by over the years.

If that is intended to dispel the myth that you could fly high enough to see the alleged curve, then that is correct.
There are other things about being a pilot that would provide evidence.
The top of high mountains gradually appearing above the horizon.
This is no different from the much discussed ships' sails but is much more apparent.
The inability of weather radar to give the complete structure of a thunderstorm at a range of more than about 100 miles.
But the short answer to the original question is "no".

Re: Are all the pilots part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2019, 07:31:53 AM »
There is nothing about being a pilot that would reveal the shape of the earth to you. A previous moderator, TheEngineer, has testified to this as well as various pilots who have come by over the years.

If that is intended to dispel the myth that you could fly high enough to see the alleged curve, then that is correct.
There are other things about being a pilot that would provide evidence.
The top of high mountains gradually appearing above the horizon.
This is no different from the much discussed ships' sails but is much more apparent.
The inability of weather radar to give the complete structure of a thunderstorm at a range of more than about 100 miles.
But the short answer to the original question is "no".

Surely navigation and the shortest distance between any two points is the biggest thing though?

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Re: Are all the pilots part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2019, 06:39:08 PM »
There is nothing about being a pilot that would reveal the shape of the earth to you. A previous moderator, TheEngineer, has testified to this as well as various pilots who have come by over the years.

If that is intended to dispel the myth that you could fly high enough to see the alleged curve, then that is correct.
There are other things about being a pilot that would provide evidence.
The top of high mountains gradually appearing above the horizon.
This is no different from the much discussed ships' sails but is much more apparent.
The inability of weather radar to give the complete structure of a thunderstorm at a range of more than about 100 miles.
But the short answer to the original question is "no".

Surely navigation and the shortest distance between any two points is the biggest thing though?
It's a very good plan to point the aircraft in the right direction so heading does Qantas QF28's take when flying from Santiago, Chile to Sydney, Australia?

This shows the planned route for one QF28 flight:
Quote from: TWcobra
Third post in: Short Flights (QF27 & QF28) From Australia to South America.
I fly for Qantas, Chris, although not on the 747 which does that route.
The flat earth does not work for people like me.

I can tell you that the QF28 (Santiago to Sydney) is airborne as I write this.
It has a planned flight time of 13 hours 27 minutes and a planned distance 6347 nautical miles.

Here is the planned route, currently the aircraft would be approaching the 70 degree South waypoint.
 The guidance system is linked to GPS receivers and inertial systems. I fly over a globe,
otherwise none of what I do would work. Simple as that.
     
Were they flying over a flat Earth the shortest route would be something like this:






The initial heading of the real flight QF28 is about 208°, just 28° West of South but on the initial heading on flat Earth map for the shortest route would at 338°, just 22° West of North.
The difference is 130° so I sure hope those Qantas pilots have the right maps ::)!

This post has more detail with more maps about that Qantas flight QF28, Is Qantas killing the passangers? « January 07, 2019, 12:24:28 PM »