New complete model of infinite flat earth

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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #30 on: October 21, 2019, 09:25:45 AM »
Now, now. Nu Earth never said he bows down to said gods. He might be a heretic in that sense, a dangerous free thinker, a loose intellectual cannon, if you will.

Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #31 on: October 21, 2019, 09:31:22 AM »
Yes a lot like the Joker.
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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #32 on: October 21, 2019, 09:33:09 AM »
Yes a lot like the Joker.
Nah, Joaquin’s Joker was cool. You are not.

But you might be Jack Nicholson’s Joker? Not sure.


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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #33 on: October 21, 2019, 09:58:42 AM »
I was just on the flight from New York to Chicago at 35,000 feet I could easily see the lights of Chicago from central Michigan. You guys have no - - - - clue. The plane started its descent somewhere in Michigan state not even near Lake Michigan but a lot further East, heading into Chicago. And yes I saw Chicago from there. A straight - - - - line with no curve. If the earth was a globe I would never be able to see this far. Rowbotham proved its not a globe long time ago, using trigonometry. Just admit it.

3 points:
1. I adjusted the quote here because of the language.
2.You saw Chicago while flying towards it? Were you piloting the plane? Or did you stick your head out the window to see in front of the plane?
3. Rowbotham and trigonometry seems incorrect. The guy dropped out of school at the age of 9. I don't think you learn trigonometry before that. Quite remarkable how a drop out (and a really early one) is treated like a prophet for the FE.

Ah yes, reliable Wikipedia on the scene:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Rowbotham

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Samuel Birley Rowbotham (/ˈroʊbɒtəm/;[1] 1816 – 23 December 1884, in London) was an English inventor and writer who wrote Zetetic Astronomy: Earth Not a Globe under the pseudonym Parallax. His work was originally published as a 16-page pamphlet (1849), and later expanded into a book (1865). He dropped out of school at the age of 9[citation needed].

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In 1861, Rowbotham married for a second time (to the 16-year-old daughter of his laundress)[citation needed] and settled in London, producing 14 children, of whom four survived[citation needed].

Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #34 on: October 21, 2019, 10:15:02 AM »
I was just on the flight from New York to Chicago at 35,000 feet I could easily see the lights of Chicago from central Michigan. You guys have no - - - - clue. The plane started its descent somewhere in Michigan state not even near Lake Michigan but a lot further East, heading into Chicago. And yes I saw Chicago from there. A straight - - - - line with no curve. If the earth was a globe I would never be able to see this far. Rowbotham proved its not a globe long time ago, using trigonometry. Just admit it.

3 points:
1. I adjusted the quote here because of the language.
2.You saw Chicago while flying towards it? Were you piloting the plane? Or did you stick your head out the window to see in front of the plane?
3. Rowbotham and trigonometry seems incorrect. The guy dropped out of school at the age of 9. I don't think you learn trigonometry before that. Quite remarkable how a drop out (and a really early one) is treated like a prophet for the FE.

Ah yes, reliable Wikipedia on the scene:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Rowbotham

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Samuel Birley Rowbotham (/ˈroʊbɒtəm/;[1] 1816 – 23 December 1884, in London) was an English inventor and writer who wrote Zetetic Astronomy: Earth Not a Globe under the pseudonym Parallax. His work was originally published as a 16-page pamphlet (1849), and later expanded into a book (1865). He dropped out of school at the age of 9[citation needed].

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In 1861, Rowbotham married for a second time (to the 16-year-old daughter of his laundress)[citation needed] and settled in London, producing 14 children, of whom four survived[citation needed].

Well the guy is not around to ask anymore so who would know if it's not true?
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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #35 on: October 21, 2019, 10:19:25 AM »
An oldie:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Samuel_Rowbotham&oldid=792550834

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In 1881, he was charged and tried with the murder of one of his caretakers, after partially severing his own reproductive organs with a dinner knife. One unnamed witnessed interviewed at the scene described, "there was blood at every turn and he seemed [to be in a] state of religious bliss"[3] Although by some accounts the trial was controversial, he was convicted and executed in 1884.[4] Before his execution, Rowbotham lamented to one of his four surviving children that he felt he had squandered his life and "shepherded good people astray from God", by essentially teaching a false religion of a flat-earth, and selling remedies for real illnesses that he knew to be fake.[5]

Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #36 on: October 21, 2019, 10:27:31 AM »
An oldie:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Samuel_Rowbotham&oldid=792550834

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In 1881, he was charged and tried with the murder of one of his caretakers, after partially severing his own reproductive organs with a dinner knife. One unnamed witnessed interviewed at the scene described, "there was blood at every turn and he seemed [to be in a] state of religious bliss"[3] Although by some accounts the trial was controversial, he was convicted and executed in 1884.[4] Before his execution, Rowbotham lamented to one of his four surviving children that he felt he had squandered his life and "shepherded good people astray from God", by essentially teaching a false religion of a flat-earth, and selling remedies for real illnesses that he knew to be fake.[5]

Either way his Bedford Level experiment was proven wrong (Hampden vs Wallace).
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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #37 on: October 21, 2019, 10:44:53 AM »
Not really. The sinking ship effect was described as inconsistent in Rowbotham's experiments, invalidating it as a 'proof' of the earth's curvature.

https://www.cantab.net/users/michael.behrend/ebooks/PlaneTruth/pages/Chapter_01.html

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Let Richard A. Proctor, science writer, astronomer, and good-humored arch-enemy of Parallax, describe another experiment:

' Mr. Rowbotham did a very bold thing … at Plymouth.  He undertook to prove, by observations made with a telescope upon the Eddystone Lighthouse from the Hoe and from the beach, that the surface of the water is flat.  From the beach, usually only the lantern can be seen.  From the Hoe, the whole of the lighthouse is visible under favourable conditions.  Duly on the morning appointed, Mr. Rowbotham appeared.  From the Hoe a telescope was directed towards the lighthouse, which was well seen, the morning being calm and still and tolerably clear.  On descending to the beach it was found that, instead of the whole lantern being visible as usual, only half could be seen—a circumstance doubtless due to the fact that the Air’s refractive power, which usually diminishes the dip due to the earth’s curvature by about one-sixth part, was less efficient that morning than usual.  The effect of the peculiarity was manifestly unfavourable to Mr. Rowbotham’s theory.  The curvature of the earth produced a greater difference than usual between the appearance of a distant object as seen from a certain low station (though still the difference fell short of that of which would be shown if there were no error).  But Parallax claimed the peculiarity observable that morning as an argument in favour of his flat earth.  It is manifest, he said, “that there is something wrong about the accepted theory; for it tells us that some much less of the lighthouse should be seen from the beach than from the Hoe, whereas still less was seen.” And many of the Plymouth folk went away from the Hoe that morning, and from the second lecture, in which Parallax triumphantly quoted the results of the observation, with the feeling which had been expressed seven years before in the Leicester Advertiser, that "some of the most important conclusions of modern astronomy had been seriously invalidated." [ref. 1.20]  '

http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za34.htm

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It is well known that even on lakes of small dimensions and also on canals, when high winds prevail for some time in the same direction, the ordinary ripple is converted into comparatively large waves. On the "Bedford Canal," during the windy season, the water is raised into undulations so high, that through a powerful telescope at an elevation of 8 inches, a boat two or three miles away will be invisible; but at other times, through the same telescope the same kind of boat may be seen at a distance of six or eight miles.

During very fine weather when the water has been calm for some days and become as it were settled down, persons are often able to see with the naked eye from Dover the coast of France, and a steamer has been traced all the way across the channel. At other times when the winds are very high, and a heavy swell prevails, the coast is invisible, and the steamers cannot be traced the whole distance from the same altitude, even with a good telescope.

Instances could be greatly multiplied, but already more evidence has been given than the subject really requires, to prove that when a telescope does not restore the hull of a distant vessel it is owing to a purely special and local cause.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za33.htm#page_217

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In May, 1864, the author, with several gentlemen who bad attended his lectures at Gosport, made a number of observations on the "Nab" light-ship, from the landing stairs of the Victoria Pier, at Portsmouth. From an elevation of thirty-two inches above the water, when it was very calm, the greater part of the hull of the light vessel was, through a good telescope, plainly visible. But on other occasions, when the water was much disturbed, no portion of the hull could be seen from the same elevation, and with the same or even a more powerful telescope. At other times, when the water was more or less calm, only a small portion of the hull, and sometimes the upper part of the bulwarks only, could be seen. These observations not only prove that the distance at which objects at sea can be seen by a powerful telescope depends greatly on the state of the water, but they furnish a strong argument against rotundity. The "Nab" light-ship is eight statute miles from the Victoria pier, and allowing thirty-two inches for the altitude of the observers, and ten feet for the height of the bulwarks above the water line, we find that even if the water were perfectly smooth and stationary, the top of the hull should at all times be fourteen feet below the horizon. Many observations similar to the above have

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been made on the north-west light-ship, in Liverpool Bay and on light-vessels in various parts of the sea round; Great Britain and Ireland.

It is a well known fact that the light of Eddystone lighthouse is often plainly visible from the beach in Plymouth Sound, and sometimes, when the sea is very calm, persons sitting in ordinary rowing boats can see the light distinctly from that part of the Sound which will allow the line of sight to pass between "Drake's Island" and the. western end of the Breakwater. The distance is fourteen statute miles. In the tables published by the Admiralty, and also by calculation according to the supposed rotundity of the earth, the light is stated to be visible thirteen nautical or over fifteen statute miles, yet often at the same distance, and in rough weather, not only is the light not visible but in the day time the top of the vane which surmounts the lantern, and which is nearly twenty feet higher than the centre of the reflectors or the focus of the light, is out of sight.

A remarkable instance of this is given in the Western Daily Mercury, of October 25th, 1864. After lectures by the author at the Plymouth Athenćum and the Devonport Mechanics' Institute, a committee was formed for the purpose of making experiments on this subject, and on the general question of the earth's form. A report and the names of the committee were published in the Journal above referred to; from which the following extract is made.

"OBSERVATION 6TH.--On the beach, at five feet from the water level, the Eddystone was entirely out of sight."

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At any time when the sea is calm and the weather clear, the light of the Eddystone may be seen from an elevation of five feet above the water level; and according to the Admiralty directions, it "maybe seen thirteen nautical (or fifteen statute), miles," 1 or one mile further away than the position of the observers on the above-named occasion; yet, on that occasion, and at a distance of only fourteen statute miles, notwithstanding that it was a very fine autumn day, and a clear background existed, not only was the lantern, which is 80 feet high, not visible, but the top of the vane, which is 100 feet above the foundation, was, as stated in the report "entirely out of sight." There was, however, a considerable "swell" in the sea beyond the breakwater.

That vessels, lighthouses, light-ships, buoys, signals, and other known and fixed objects are sometimes more distinctly seen than at other times, and are often, from the same common elevation, entirely out of sight when the sea is rough, cannot be denied or doubted by any one of experience in nautical matters.

Regardless of the mechanism Rowbotham attributes it to, he does report seeing the sinking effect. A single observation is not enough.

Now that we have the technology of time-lapse photography we can see it directly. Soundly's "Little Tensas Bayou" timelapse from the area shows that the curvature changes.

Soundly's image:



From the timelapse:

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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #38 on: October 21, 2019, 11:57:23 AM »
This thread really isn't about the Robot Ham. I think he deserves his own topic.
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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #39 on: October 21, 2019, 01:09:18 PM »
Not really. The sinking ship effect was described as inconsistent in Rowbotham's experiments, invalidating it as a 'proof' of the earth's curvature.
Really?
A high prophet of the FE religion described proof of Earth's curvature as inconsistent?
Sorry, to those focused on reality, that doesn't really matter.

It is quite consistent.
Yes, refraction can add to the effect, or under rarer atmospheric conditions it can negate it.

A single observation is not enough.
So you mean something like a timelapse would be better?
Like one that shows the effect consistently throughout the day, with it only inverting at the start of night?

As well as many repeated observations which also show the bottom of distant objects being obscured?

Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #40 on: October 21, 2019, 06:30:05 PM »
Unfortunately Jack Black, none of Soundly's (and any other person's I might add) observations are recorded in the "Sacred Texts" of the High Prophet Rowbotham and so Tom Bishop will simply dismiss them.

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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #41 on: October 22, 2019, 02:10:57 AM »
According to Puranic cosmography, the world is divided into seven concentric island continents (sapta-dvipa vasumati) separated by the seven encircling oceans, each double the size of the preceding one (going out from within).

Seven intermediate oceans consist of salt-water, sugarcane juice, wine, ghee, yogurt, milk and water respectively. The mountain range called Lokaloka, meaning "world-no-world", stretches across this final sea, delineating the known world from the dark void.


There's an ocean of wine out there and we are stuck with the salt water ocean, not fair. >:(
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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #42 on: October 22, 2019, 07:26:42 AM »
What swims in this ocean of yogurt?  Can you imagine wading into yogurt at the yogurt beach, and suddenly a yogurt-octopus brushes up against your leg?  Or maybe it was just yogurt seaweed.  You'll never know.
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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #43 on: October 22, 2019, 08:00:56 AM »
Yoghurt sperm whale. True Moby Dick.

But will it be Greek or Turkish yoghurt? I hope it is Turkish. Or Bulgarian.
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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #44 on: October 22, 2019, 08:13:34 AM »
Discovery Channel should produce a Yogurt Shark Week!

How terrifying would THAT be?
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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #45 on: October 22, 2019, 12:48:33 PM »
Someone please ban the trolls. Or is the low content becoming a new norm here?
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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #46 on: October 22, 2019, 05:58:10 PM »
Someone please ban the trolls. Or is the low content becoming a new norm here?

I think the low content is yours. What's new about the Vedic cosmology? It's the equivalent of saying, "I have a new complete model of the flat earth, it can be found in this ancient book of texts called the Bible..."
No. That sudden lurch forwards is the atmospheric slosh effect.

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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #47 on: October 22, 2019, 07:15:57 PM »
Providing evidence of an ocean made entirely of yogurt would be an excellent first step in providing evidence that all on Earth is not as it seems.
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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #48 on: October 22, 2019, 11:00:59 PM »
Who made the yogurt, milk, ghee and wine? How many cows are out there? Are there any natural processes we know of that can make wine from grapes without storing the grapes in vats? Maybe its just lots of grape juice?

I dont think these oceans will be all that nice. The "wine" ocean will be sticky and moldy fermented mush.
The milk, yougurt and ghee oceans will be green and covered in fungi and bacteria.
Imagine the smell.

This may be why the lands are not occupied, no one wants to go there.

Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #49 on: October 23, 2019, 01:45:47 AM »
Who made the yogurt, milk, ghee and wine? How many cows are out there?
Maybe it comes from the elephants holding up the Earth disk?

Are there any natural processes we know of that can make wine from grapes without storing the grapes in vats?
Yes, the same process as occurs in vats.
The problem is that with all the oxygen, it will typically turn that wine into vinegar.
But maybe oxygen doesn't get out that far.

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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #50 on: October 23, 2019, 06:08:31 AM »
Who made the yogurt, milk, ghee and wine? How many cows are out there?
Maybe it comes from the elephants holding up the Earth disk?

Are there any natural processes we know of that can make wine from grapes without storing the grapes in vats?
Yes, the same process as occurs in vats.
The problem is that with all the oxygen, it will typically turn that wine into vinegar.
But maybe oxygen doesn't get out that far.
Both good arguments, hard to argue against elephants.
Oxygen not getting that far out makes sense. Otherwise the GOD CEO's would have found a way to make money out of the land somehow. Its very hard to make money off land if your slaves keep dying.

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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #51 on: October 23, 2019, 09:44:03 AM »
I would like to hear from New Earth as I think you have made really good points.

Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #52 on: October 23, 2019, 10:06:35 AM »
Yes in Vedas it talks about different oceans, each ocean with different flavor so to speak, but it is not exactly how some of you assumed.  Our world is located in the Salt water ocean, anyone wants to dispute that? OK as you already know all the oceans have salt water, if you go further into the earth disk, you will find ocean of other chemical substances, I don't understand why do you guys think its unrealistic? All oceans are still blue, they look exactly the same as oceans you see here in our world.  Its just they don't taste the same because there is different chemical elements in them. Yogurt ocean is still blue, but if you were to taste it it would actually taste like yogurt.

Again our ocean is the ocean of Salt, but notice that even thou our oceans are salty, that does not influence the color of the water! I hope that clears things up for you.
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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #53 on: October 23, 2019, 10:23:09 AM »
3. Rowbotham and trigonometry seems incorrect. The guy dropped out of school at the age of 9. I don't think you learn trigonometry before that. Quite remarkable how a drop out (and a really early one) is treated like a prophet for the FE.
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Yeah who would revere a drop out like a prophet of their field?


You know ignoring many drop outs at the acme of their professions:
Albert Einstein, Ben Franklin, Edison, Bill Gates, Rockefeller, Richard Branson and Charles Dickens.
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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #54 on: October 23, 2019, 10:25:36 AM »
Also lay off the low content posting guys. New Earth happens to be right that he's on topic while you lot are off banging around about shark week etc.
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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #55 on: October 23, 2019, 10:29:45 AM »
Yes in Vedas it talks about different oceans, each ocean with different flavor so to speak, but it is not exactly how some of you assumed.  Our world is located in the Salt water ocean, anyone wants to dispute that? OK as you already know all the oceans have salt water, if you go further into the earth disk, you will find ocean of other chemical substances, I don't understand why do you guys think its unrealistic? All oceans are still blue, they look exactly the same as oceans you see here in our world.  Its just they don't taste the same because there is different chemical elements in them. Yogurt ocean is still blue, but if you were to taste it it would actually taste like yogurt.

Again our ocean is the ocean of Salt, but notice that even thou our oceans are salty, that does not influence the color of the water! I hope that clears things up for you.
How do you know? Does it really say it only tastes like yoghurt, but is not yoghurt?

Can you do better than claims based on religious text(s)?

EDIT: Seven intermediate oceans consist of salt-water, sugarcane juice, wine, ghee, yogurt, milk and water respectively.

”Consist of”. That does not mean ”tastes like”. It means it is what it says.

And yeah, it ain’t exactly a new model of anything if it is just something you pulled from some old writings. Nor is it a complete model. You might want to revisit the topic title.
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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #56 on: October 23, 2019, 12:36:56 PM »
Also lay off the low content posting guys. New Earth happens to be right that he's on topic while you lot are off banging around about shark week etc.

No problem. Except for this post ofcourse I will no longer go off topic.
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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #57 on: October 23, 2019, 12:47:41 PM »
if you go further into the earth disk, you will find ocean of other chemical substances, I don't understand why do you guys think its unrealistic?
Because there is absolutely no evidence or rational reason to think that is the case. Especially with Earth being round and thus these oceans not existing.
But importantly, many of these "chemical substances" are actually quite complex mixtures which you have provided no reason to think would exist there.

All oceans are still blue, they look exactly the same as oceans you see here in our world.  Its just they don't taste the same because there is different chemical elements in them. Yogurt ocean is still blue, but if you were to taste it it would actually taste like yogurt.
If it is still blue, it isn't yoghurt. Or are you suggesting that it is just water with a little bit of yoghurt in it? If the latter, it wouldn't taste like yoghurt.

Again our ocean is the ocean of Salt, but notice that even thou our oceans are salty, that does not influence the color of the water! I hope that clears things up for you.
And do you know what the colour of salt is? It is colourless.
What you are suggesting now is akin to suggesting that putting food dye in water wont change its colour, and we all know that is nonsense.

In general, unless a chemical reaction takes place, dissolving a colourless compound into a colourless solution/pure substance will results in a colourless solution.
Dissolving a coloured substance will result in a coloured solution.

When mixing 2 liquids, unless a chemical reaction takes place or you have solvochromatic effects, the resulting appearance will be a mix of the 2.
For example, if you add milk to water, it will still be white.
Yes, if it is dilute enough, it wont be noticeable to the naked eye.

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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #58 on: October 23, 2019, 03:42:53 PM »
I just realized that almost every single word in the title is wrong. What New Earth is proposing is not 'new', it's not 'complete' it's not a 'model', it's not 'infinite' and it certainly isn't 'Earth'.
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Re: New complete model of infinite flat earth
« Reply #59 on: October 23, 2019, 04:07:26 PM »
It's also worth noting that if you could analyze and reproduce the chemical composition of water that tastes like wine, you would be rich enough to use diamonds to wipe your ass with.
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